Can Perfect Pitch Really Be Learned by Adults?
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2023
- In this video, Britt Andrew Burns clears up a lot of misinformation about absolute pitch (aka perfect pitch) and explains his story in how he developed it. #absolutepitch #perfectpitch #eartraining
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I learned i had perfect pitch at 14. Its something ur born with, but it remains dormant if you aren't taught how to use it. Thats why not every kid who played piano when they were like 5 has it. Its a rare ability, and it's also a skill. People have different levels of pitch recognition, and some people have higher skill ceilings that others.
this is good ,pretty generous and honest offering ,and I agree with your assessments ,there are so many misconceptions about this skill.,good insights
I totally agree with you. After 30 years having this course on my shelf, I'm finally going to go and finish the course. As a professional musician for 40 years. You can still improve on your music. Thanks for your post!!
Still working on improving my ear myself. Thanks!
Please can I get the course of the idea on what to practice to get absolute pitch please
This topic has interested me a lot lately from a cognitive science perspective I think you hit a lot of the same thoughts I had about how other people approach the subject. I've always thought that given the correct incentives, your body and brain are really good at adapting and learning new things, it's just figuring out how to train correctly is the hard part because your first instinct is to always fall back to the skills you already have.
You are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this video. Keep up the great work. Blessings to you.
I took the Burgess course decades ago when I was first thinking about being an actual musician. I was more curious than anything else since I've kind of always been able to play what I heard even without early lessons, etc. I think he started on F# and Bb and something happened about week 3 and then it has been pretty strong ever since. I love hearing this way, hearing into the note, into the sound. Yes, I went on in music even without much of a background as a kid, and have a doctorate in conducting. I am now teaching at university level in Community Music in Canada and much of my research is in the larger area of Listening, which is great. I think people have all kinds of weird superpowers and being able to learn exceptional listening opens us to the most amazing world. There really are no limits. This is an awesome video and I love your narration. OMG I see C as white too! F as brown. G as green. But that is another story. Thanks for this.
To my mind, congenital perfect pitch is merely an accident of birth -- that is, nature patterning neurones in certain ways to and from your ear ... possibly layed down in-utero.
So because we now know the brain has neuroplasticity and can re-route interconnections where they once weren't, it makes perfect sense that one can MAKE THOSE links happen.
I believe, the best situation to help this is through autogenic relaxation, when the brain is subconsciously and unconsciously more open to reprogramming.
Thank you,Britt. Interesting discussion.⭐🌹🔥🌹⭐ Very balanced.
What goes through your head when you hear a pitch that's around halfway between two pitches?
the song at 12:31 sounds to me like it's in C minor, not F minor. I guess this is a section of the song where it has modulated? The second version sounds like B minor.
I now notice sounds and voices that are unique, and I mimic by voice... some people don't like all the sounds I make. I enjoy the sound. Relative and absolute are separate.
I've never sat and tried to learn the notes but does it mean I have perfect pitch if like, out of like 10k songs or more, you could tell me to sing any song and I would ALWAYS do it in the right key? Or if I think of learning a song on guitar and I always go to the right notes in the right key without thinking about it? I can hum all the open strings on a guitar precisely too and I can harmonize my singing like instantly. Like on the first beat I can start in harmony, a new one that I've never done, without really thinking about it? I remember utterly EVERY song note, for note, for note. Every beat and all the nuance. I often think of a song I haven't heard in 20 years and maybe I only heard it once and I'll just grab the guitar and start playing it and singing it like I've known how to for years. Is that perfect pitch or is my brain just really musically oriented?
It sounds to me like you have an extremely good ear, and that you likely have some degree of absolute pitch. Maybe find someone to play notes on the piano and test yourself?
Thanks a lot for this good news. I have good relative pitch but not perfect pitch. After your video, I will give it a try. Was always told you were either born with it or not, from Hschool to university. This is the first time I hear someone with credibility claim the opposite.
Once learned a piano version of "What a Wonderful World" in F. Played the piece on an out-of-tune piano in a store so sounded like the song is in E. People who has perfect pitch claim they are used to listening to a song in 1 key they can't play it in any other key except that specific key.
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Can you elaborate a bit on listening to music that is a bit flat, do you still recognize the correct note knowing its flat? For example a guitar can be tuned flat to itself, and the music that you play on it will sound OK, because relative to all of the strings they are all off by exact amount of cents. And how does this translate to listening to music that is in say 432hz, does the whole song sound flat?
I'll try to answer this in an updated video soon. Thanks
When I was in college I used to try and attain perfect pitch. Without any reference notes (on piano) I was either able to 'nail it' or narrow it down to 'within a half step' but never 'perfect.' My professor, who had perfect pitch, found this notable.
Since then I have not really applied myself to it but I tend to agree with you and not the naysayers. There are also more recent studies on this that align with your take. There is a young lady on YT (I think her name is 'Cindy Zou') who says that all of the pianists in her country had it and when she came to America she was surprised to learn that some people didn't. She tries to diminish the role of it in a successful musical career and even says she failed some transcription test because of her perfect pitch.
Are you recommending Burge's course?
Hi, Yes. I was mostly referencing Burge's course, but you could certainly develop it on your own. And your other point is interesting. I think Western science says 1 in 10,000 people have absolute pitch, but I'm willing to bet that the real number is much higher, especially in Asian countries.
One other point I will add is that, you don't always have to be correct to have some level of absolute pitch. I'm going to address this in more detail in a follow-up video soon.
@@BAndrewBurns Great- Thank you- I like the idea!
One more point is that if you are told 'forget it- only a select few with innate ability can achieve such and such goal' it has a dampening effect when taken to heart. In other words, people resign before they start.
That is what I like about your anecdotal story- that it seems to shatter the myth. You would have never known your potential had you not questioned and challenged it (conventional wisdom)
I believe Michael Jordan is credited with saying "I make shots other people won't even take."
I can always tell C# because it is the key of Moonlight Sonata.
Its a bit complicated because its been proven that even fully "perfect pitch posessors" have pitch perception fatigue and even start failing with sufficient trials in a sequence. So obviously its not a fully entirely qualitative difference between a strong ear and perfect pitch. Just speed and endurance
At this point in time tho science does not know if adults can actually develop perfect pitch, or just improve pitch recognition significantly. It say the diffference is pretty pointless and minor tho. It can be trained but id much MUCH rather focus on chord inversions and chord quality recognition, transcription of lines in different instruments etc etc etc. One of the major hurdles in development of this "aural skill" is that genuine childhood perfect pitch could very well be generalizable to more timbres and this skill developed later in life could be restricted to fewer timbres thar the musician is more comfortable witj
Science has shown people can develop it, and I'm living proof that it does happen.
@@BAndrewBurns i didnt deny this. The approach is just different what im questioning tho is the utility of it. Chord qualities are not that hard to get down and as long as you get good at transcribing i really really find the benefit to be minimal, if any. But yes it can be. I do not know if without drugs tho but fun fact valproate DOES allow this developmental window to reope
There is no perfect pitch. There is only ability to remember tones more precisely or not. If you change the tuning for 1-2 Hertz, no so called "perfect pitch-er" would notice it.
I just goofed around on the keyboard, noticed that I can hear the note C without looking, but only C! Strange. I’m 52…
Sometimes, it starts that way. Keep going.
interesting 😊 so what is the right way to learn perfect pitch? i really feel i can but don't know where to begin, ty🙏
You could try the Burge course like I did, or perhaps have a friend compare the notes very slowly with you. I'm in the process of making a follow up video on this topic, where I will address this.
Lol, a lot of cuts on the video and full of bullshit, good luck for all of you trying to "learn" perfect pitch 😂😂😂
It works.
For me, Ab is the one that is most difficult, and G is my least favorite as is reminds me of country music.
Ha! I always hear G as kind of a "bright" note. I associate it with rock music a lot.
I can generally produce a G by thinking of the opening note of Satie’s Gymnopedie No. 1, either on piano (from lessons taken in childhood) or the Variations on a Theme from the Blood Sweat & Tears album. Overall the impression is one of calmness.
I have it, but only when humidity is very low.
I don't understand those people who think that this is an innate skill - whether you have it or not.
Absolute pitch is completely overrated. It's a skill like reading books or drawing. It just takes practice and some effort. I practiced a little (just a few hours) and can already hear (recognize) the notes.
It’s just easier for some and harder for others, just like learning to play the piano or sing.
Yeah right
BS LOL, and Stevie Wonder can be trained to see
You don’t have absolute pitch, you have true pitch. Stop preaching false information and learn the difference
I think you should learn the difference because you clearly don't know
There is *functionally* zero fucking difference.