SFX 60w M7 MOPA Fiber Laser In Depth Review | JPT YDFLP-60-M7-M-R
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- A complete and in depth review of the SFX 60w M7 MOPA Fiber Laser we've had for so long now. Spoiler, it's a beast and I love it. Great build, great company and sporting the TRUE 60w M7 the YDFLP-60-M7-M-R we rock the house with 2.0mj of pulse power and the RC7110 Galvo scan head from Sino-Galvo. This unit may look generic but it's anything but. This fiber laser is the real deal and you DON'T want to miss this review.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:08 - Overview
2:12 - Contents and Assembly | 9
3:17 - Hardware and Tech | 10
9:47 - Laser Module | 10
11:29 - Usability | 9
13:17 - Cost and Value | 8
14:00 - FINAL VERDICT 9.2
15:30 - Outro - Supporting LE
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Bingo! This may be the machine for me. Thank you for a detailed and a very informative review. All the details on its components, particular on the JPT source is quite helpful.
Not a bad choice at all Alan!
I’m setting up 2 120w machines right now. They are very good. Since we are a manufacturer, ours have the protective covers.
Another banger video from Alex and LE! Best laser content on the interwebs!
Appreciate you! Thanks for comin by :D
Well done on the clarification - professionally put. Kind regards Gavin
Thanks Gavin, did my best with it.
@@LaserEverything Hi, please help 🙏🏻 Is this a machine for beginners? I’m from Italy (I can speak English but I’m not sure I have a good level for the software etc) thanks!
That is a banging review I bet SFX will be proud of this review !!!
It's a good one I'm proud of it :)
Also Thank you! Everytime I think I know what I'm going to get I end up with another question. But I'm pretty sure this is the one! Just wondering about my other question now. :) Thanks! you have helped what I do so much!
You're most welcome Ben, thanks for watching. Glad to have helped out :)
Excellent review! I was sold! I have been on the fence for awhile , HOWEVER, SFX seems to have raised the price by over $1000 since your review putting it out of reach... Thank you for updating your description of the video..
Yeah check out the review update. The E-60-M7-M-R is available for the original price.
I like it better than the Fiberlux 200w pro.
I bought a JPT Mopa M7 1 year ago with 2 optics 110mm2, 300mm2 and rotary head 80 for $6,000. Very good machine
Glad to hear it's working for you!
I have an 80w 2.5d version that i have just started experimenting making punches and moulds in steel and it's a cracker.
Hell yeah. The 80-M7-M-R is one of the only other sources with 2.0mj pulse output as well. Nice one.
What was the user error you had with the jolly star lens ?
I see maximum pulse engergy on a 100w system is 1.5 whereas on the other it is 2. If you are going for faster cutting and deep engraveing would it be better to have a higher MJ or Watts?
Wattage almost always trumps pulse output power, but both is best.
Can this engrave metals on handgun slides and rifle lowers?
You have two reviews for, on the surface, appearing to be the same machine. The wisely and the SFX. My main component is for cutting and etching metal plates for jewelers and the basic market for common items, such as tumblers. As a first time fiber laser purchase, which one is a better choice and underneath, what are the main differences between the two?
The differences between the two are negligible. The source is the same, they both have comparable scan heads, they're both built well. Kyle's wisely has a motorized z if you're into that - mine is manual which I prefer. His bed spacing is 50mm on the jig mounts and mine is 25mm. That's more or less it. Nothing significant to note.
Hi, great channel, thanks! Just a quick question would you choose the 60W if you had to chose between the JPT YDFLP-60-M7-M-R and JPT YDFLP-E2-100-M7-M-R. The 100W has a Maximum Pulse Energy of 1.5 mJ. Thanks!
While the 60w model there has a 2mJ pulse energy, it doesn't make up for the difference in wattage of the 100w in 99% of cases. There are some limited use cases where the 2mJ might be a better fit for some peoples specific needs, but for typical engraving work loads where you'd consider a 100w (fast / deep engraving), the 100w is going to be a better option.
A burning question (see what I did there 😂) I'm really interested in this machine. In your splendid review, it appears that it can cope with engraving mildly curved surfaces. Cups, bottles, and such, without the need of the rotary drive chuck. Did I see that, right?
The reason I ask is that I currently engrave curved stainless steel surfaces of tools, with a slight curvature both convex and concave. I'm doing this by hand with a Dremel using diamond burrs. A machine like this would revolutionise my work, as well as add the option of colours.
Please tell me this can do what I hope.
If not, is there a different Galvanometer head that could do what I'm asking?
Very impressive review, btw 😉😎
Thanks in advance.
How does a 100W E version (1.5 mJ) compare to a full power 60W (2 mJ) version ? These go for about the same price, which is a greater value/usability, having more watts or more mJ ?
More wattage offers a greater value. To the average user it would be difficult to discern the difference between the two sources.
I've got a question I haven't seen anybody ask or talk about when it comes to these fiber lasers.... Is it possible to buy a cheaper 20W non Mopa laser unit in this same form factor to get started, and then simply upgrade the laser source to, say, a 60W Mopa source later? I'd imagine you'd probably need to upgrade the laser source power supply as well, but what about the control board, lens, and galvo, can those stay the same?
That's 100% correct and the swap is super easy :)
The line vs dot for the laser focus is a great feature if set up correctly. Say you have a part with multiple thicknesses, so you have to adjust the focus for each area. Rather than moving the part around to get each surface where your two dots happen to point, you can just adjust until the two lines overlap on the surface you're marking. Not a perfect system, but better than the dots IMHO
Ahhhhhhhhhhh THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Gotcha gotcha.
I have the exact same model but there isn’t two lines which meet, it’s just one horizontal line, what is the purpose of that line? Scratching my head over this feature😄
@@tinytx now that’s just funky. Does it look cool if you hang a mini disco ball in front of it? 🤣
The other line would be the red dot coming out of the lens when the Galvo is idle
Hello, what do you recommend the most for the first time laser: SFX, Cloudray or Mactron?
Though I haven't reviewed them yet Mactron are still my favorite brand I've used. I know the staff very well at this point, I know how they're building the machines, they look pretty and they kick ass. That said it's a whole thing with importing them and that's where the SFX lasers really come into play. If you're willing to import I'd go with the Mactron. If you want something domestic and crazy fast stick to the SFX.
Sir how to connect you I have some issue on my machine focus and laser not perfectly works so help possible sir
Check out the links in the description to either the discord server or facebook group for machine support and we'd be happy to take a look.
Hello.. Can I put a colored mark on gold and copper with a 60 watt GPT machine?
No, unfortunately not with just that machine. You'll need to print it with ink.
From a safety perspective is an enclosed fiber better than an open fiber. I understand the safety glasses situation, but, safety in an enclosed situation, is it better? Thanks.
Absolutely. Having an enclosure (that is properly rated for the job) is absolutely a safety improvement, especially if anyone might wander into the area where the laser operates during operation. From a function aspect, it can't work for everyone, based on tower height/lens sizing for work area, and object being engraved, but safety wise, 100%.
I have this exact machine. To this day I have no idea what that red line is for? What is it’s purpose? It’s just a single straight red line, I have no idea what its purpose is, is it a level? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Another user commented with the nature of it's use. It made sense - check it out.
YDFLP-E-60-M7-M-R
Can we buy this??
Great video, I've learned a lot! Guys, what did you pay for your lasers? M7 60w E version. Because the prices are so different everywhere..😅
Many of our lasers were sent to us to allow us the ability to test and review, so full disclosure on that, but that also means we actually pay toward taxes on their value. It's also been a while since we got the 60w units we have in, and prices have fluctuated a bit since then, but the vendors are a marker on that. 2+ years ago, the price was somewhere in the 6500-8000 range for an E series model if memory serves. The prices are super different for a lot of reasons, it could be accessories included, motorized Z with buttons to go up/down or manual Z axis, tower size, model version of laser source in the machine, extra lenses, stuff like that. Once you get beyond that, it's about time taken to test in the factory after assembly, validate functionality and ensure power output testing, time spent doing a quality wiring job for easier maintenance and if there is an issue its easier to track back and fix, quality wire terminations and thoughtful management of component layout, and pre-configuring the machine with a correction and quality and care in packaging for shipping and shipping materials. There is a point when the cost gets too low to support all of these things, and somethings gotta give, so if you see something silly low, keep that in mind and know that it may be a bigger burden either later, or even upfront by going too low below the average. For galvo machines, check out the buying guide or on the marketplace, and also so far what we've shared on the channel, all vendors are within the norm range for pricing and offer good value and quality. Some have different setups/accessories, and offer different support/shipping and other custom needs, so there's a lot of options even within the trusted options of the community depending on your preferences/needs.
@@LaserEverything thanks for the info!
Brand wise is it better than mactron your most recommended laser?
If I had to pick between the two I'd pick the Mactron - it's everything listed here AND gorgeous. Still my #1 recommendation.
What are power requirements of this? Plug and breakers
Nothing special, mine runs on a normal 15A North American circuit. These smaller galvo lasers really don't draw that much current. :)
😁A nice video review, Alex and Kyle like two doctors check it all one by one.
No stone left unturned ;)
Alex, I ordered my first laser a 100W MOPA M7 from SFX on Amazon at just over $10K USD and received it on 17 Aug 22. Up to now, I was very happy with my purchase until I saw your review. Now I feel after watching your video that it is like salt being rubbed into a wound, because i thought i was getting the best JPT source for the 100W. My laser came with a YDFLP-E-100-M7-M-R NOT a YDFLP-100-M7-M-R Fiber Laser Source. I am curious at just how much less effective my 'budget model" is compared to the "luxury model"? Also, did you specifically ask them for the model you received or did it just come that way? Thanks
Hey sharpe, nothing to worry about, the hundred watt only comes in the e-version there is no standard version of that laser source and the price sounds like a good deal so I'd say you're good to go.
@@LaserEverything Alex, thanks. That does make me feel much better...whew!
All good 😊
@@LaserEverything Sorry, but that's not true. The standard version of the 100 W source does exist. Or at least in the JPT list I have it is there.
Weird I don't see it currently listed on their website
When you mention that this can handle even more plastics, what do you mean? What plastics can this do over another laser?
Great Video by the way.
Most q-switched fiber lasers are locked at a fairly high pulse width meaning they're using too much brute force to mark plastics without melting them down or catching fire. There are exceptions to every rule however. Fibers are good at surface marking ABS (NOT CUTTING - DANGEROUS GASSES) and dark opaque acrylics with high frequencies that can help reduce your pulse power. That said with the adjustable pulse width (especially at the range of 2-500ns the 60w M7 provides) you can substantially reduce the 'punch' of each individual laser pulse enabling you to get better results on materials that are more sensitive to heat.
Inversely you can rise far above the average pulse width of q-switched machines which means you can pack way more of a punch at higher speeds and frequencies, meaning you can cut and deep engrave faster and more efficiently. MOPA's really change the game. It's a whole new dynamic in the Power, Freq, Speed triangle balance.
@@LaserEverythingHow you can deep engrave without burning it using this machine? I mean, what are the correct parameters ? Using a 1.5mm stainless steel plate in the opposite side of plate it is burned.
I love mine
Nice, great choice :P Thanks for watching!
How does this stack up against the LasersOnly version?
Haven't had a chance to use their equipment yet so I wouldn't want to make a comparison.
Just curious, why haven't you reviewed this machine on Amazon? Seems like they would definitely appreciate it & customers looking to buy it, since it only has 3 reviews.
I suppose I should lol, never really crossed my mind before.
@@LaserEverything Definitely should, it only has one actual written review & it's in another language. I bet it would help Big time.
Nice
Very nice!
I have the lower powered model JPT YDFLP-60-M7-L1-R.
Hmmm. Even though the it is red the model # is slightly different.
Maybe older unit still left in stock???
Any ideas.
Monthly subscriber here.
Hey Jeff, the L1 is an older model and at the time was the only MOPA line offered. Since the M-R released a vacuum was left at the lower price point.. Now, the E is more or less an updated L1 spec wise. Still a great source just different.
@@LaserEverything Well got the entire machine (less rotary) for a great price. Now I know the reason for the longer engraving time. Thanks.
It's a good source despite it's "age", should serve you well ✨
@@LaserEverything Hey Alex, was wondering what use all those higher frequencies will be beyond the 400 Khz??
Plastics, organics, anything where high pulse energy will melt the surface or catch the item on fire.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like you pay around $7500 on Amazon for the 60w unit and do not get the 2.0mj source. The 2.0mj source shows as optional. You have to buy the 80w source to get 2.0mj it seems. On the SFX site, you automatically get the 2.0mj when you buy the 60w source model. Guess you gotta always read the fine print. 🙂 Thanks for the good review.
Can this machine do glass work?
Not without weird cheats or hacks like backing the glass with aluminum foil which deliver mediocre results at best. Highly recommend a CO2 or UV laser for glass work.
Oh & what happened to lightburn & what was the reason for the downgrade?
LightBurn was released for galvo lasers but currently only supports Ezcad 2 controllers. This machine shipped with an Ezcad 3 controller and I wanted to use LightBurn so I had to downgrade my controller to do so. Now that LightBurn for Galvo has been released SFX sells these machines "LightBurn Ready" with Ezcad 2 controllers pre-installed so the downgrade is no longer necessary.
@@LaserEverything Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. They way it sounded on the video, I thought Lightburn just crashed all together.
Looking into getting a laser... again, lol. I think its been a year & last time I was thinking about Pascal's lasers. But I haven't has much feedback from the few guys that say they bought one from him. So, this one seems pretty good & easier to import, lol.
This would be an excellent choice Matt I've been using it for a really long time now, almost a year before publishing this review and I feel really strongly about the high score I gave it. Most impressed.
What is the peak Frequency on this model?
The 60w M7-M-R max power output frequency is around 35khz. Every source is different. This specific source clocked in at 37khz. The unit has a range of 1-4000khz.
@@LaserEverything after research and tracking down the rep. I found out mines at 37.
Do all of these Chinese lasers come from the same factory? Since they all look identical, I would assume that they do.
Think of it like PCs. The shell is filled with components that are made by a myriad of manufacturers. How much the OEMs are willing to invest on quality hardware, plus thoughtful construction, assembly and support are what matter most.
Why downgrade from ezcad 3 to ezcad 2 ?
LightBurn currently only supports Ezcad 2 boards.
Do you still recommend this laser today?
Yes, absolutely! It's been very reliable, and all points I covered in the review (and follow up) are all good. There are two versions of the 60w model I reviewed, the C series source, and E series, and the C series carries a bit of a price premium due to the differences we discuss in that update video. Either way, still a great unit. If I'm not mistaken, I believe they have it listed on the new Maker Remix Market we linked in the description if you want to check it out there too. Full disclosure, our team has been working on making that marketplace site for a long while now as a way to bring the community together to make getting into this segment of work or hobby easier for everyone. So it is our site, but not our products, and we do maintain high quality standards for anyone who wants to sell on the site.
Is this a commercial or a honest review.
All of our reviews are honest, we don't do pay for positive reviews 🙂
Was wondering the same. Video need clarification in this regard..
Is it just me or does this website seem sketchy
so sketchy 👀
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