This is common for Jagex, myself and a handful of other player moderators have lost our crowns due to Jagex's lack of care for the players. Myself and a few others were targeted by a group of people who used photoshop to put our accounts for sale on 3rd party websites. We were all demodded even though we all still maintain control of our accounts. A dozen emails later, they just brushed me off as if 8 years serving as a forum / in-game p mod meant nothing. Seriously heart breaking.
Jagex doesn't care about their community. Look at RS3 and how they try to find anything to monetize Like for example High expensive PvM. Or the Green Santa hat.
Where did they upload these photoshopped photos to exactly? Like how did that lead to a ban. I feel like if it was reddit someone would've noticed the shop
Feel like someone could've just informed their well-trusted and well-loved moderator "hey, we've got something big in the works ready soon for those bots, could you help quell the community again?" instead of just going with "KNEEL TO JAGEX"
They're a player moderator, saying anything to them could've fucked them over given they didn't really have power to silence them and they weren't an employee, their loyalty stretched to Jagex giving them mod. If they had told them what would stop the mod from making a video about that? I don't think you guys get how companies, especially major MMO companies have to deal with stuff like this. With employees they wouldn't leak anything because they have a contract and would get fired, but a mod that is not related to jagex in that he's just a mod isn't enough trust to tell them about anything like this. That and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it legally, since mods don't have to sign contracts and aren't employees. And a mod making the community mad is never a good look, and they don't deserve to be a mod
A message like "we think it's in your best interest to take this video down", if that really is what was said, is an extremely shady thing to say given the circumstances. If they had been working on a solution that whole time, surely there could have been a more tactful way to approach it, especially considering that this was a private conversation and not a public one.
Well they can't have told him they were working on a bot nuke as there was a good chance it could have got leaked so there's not much they could have done but yeah they should have realized how shady that looks without the full context
I feel like they could have done a bit more damage control after releasing the nuke. Maybe say "hey, sorry about that, but we couldn't talk about the nuke ahead of time" and make him a mod again
There are plenty of examples where there is a true need to remove a community moderator's privileges....this is not one of them. You're not an employee for the company. You're a trusted voice for the community that's volunteering your time to help moderate the game and bring issues to swift resolutions. It is a community mods duty, to criticize the developers in a respectful manner and bring stuff like this to their attention. Removing someone's mod status for this, is essentially firing someone for doing their job.
Did you not pay attention to the video? He literally only caused hate and boycotting when the solution was almost done. You can't talk shit and cause the company you are volunteering for to receive that much hate AND lose a game award and NOT expect to lose perms, that ruins the public image and you only have those privileges to help the player base, not to harm the devs
I remember meeting Jiblix in Draynor when chopping Willow logs. Back then a regular player if I am not mistaken. Great video once again, Will Miss It! Keep ‘em coming
People being angry that they stripped him of modhood IS rational thinking... It doesn't take a genius to see that de-moding him is a bad look and EXTREMLY bad optics. It shows that Player Mods aren't community ambassadors like Jagex made them out to be. Literally all he did "wrong" was make a video showing the game... That's it...
They're idiots for firing him. If they already had the fix, they should have responded to his video w enthusiasm for him keeping them in check. The amount of fanfare they would have gotten for putting out a fix so 'quickly' after that would have been amazing PR.
Why don't they literally just have a PR person who addresses the issues that arise and communicate if they are or are not working on the problem and why. They don't have to explain all of their plan and each intricate detail obviously, but at least some sort of public accountability yet more formal than a bunch of twitter accounts tweeting @jagex that they suck. Idk, if they do have a PR team, it's not really showing a lot of the time.
Any mention of it would've been bad. Giving modders or hitters any information, even mentioning that it's a change to the system tips them off, they already DID say they were doing something. I don't get why people still can't comprehend this. I guess you guys have never deved before lmao
This whole issue could've been potentially avoided if Jagex provided a bit more transparency at the time, a bit more like they do now, or if that one J Mod had a better choice of words than "I think it would be in your best interest."
Yes because saying "we're making a bot killer" months before release and expecting bot makers to not prepare and look for whatever weakness they're trying to exploit in voting programs is a GREAT idea. And before you say "tell the pmods" the man's video is evidence enough to suggest that they can't be trusted with this type of info
@@Jiub_SN The message was wrong because being less vague would have saved them the trouble in the long run. It's not like they needed to tell Jiblix every intimate detail of their plan, a simple "hey, we've got a solution on the way soon, keep it hush hush." would have probably been a lot clearer and prevented most, if not all, of the issue. Believe it or not, a little trust can go a long way.
I feel like Jagex could have handled things a lot better with Jiblix. Sure, they can't say "we're working on something that will nuke all the bots on the same day", but they could have easily made a statement of "we hear you and we're sorry, blah blah blah we plan to make things right". I can't really feel bad for Jagex getting hate when they strip someone of player/forum mod status after making an idle threat to "you better do this or you'll be sorry". But this is Jagex, we're talking about. If communication was air, they'd live on Mars.
Jagex may have been working on a bot fix, but phrasing their hushed attitude to Jiblix was like whatever idiot wrote Admiral Holdo the way they did in The Last Jedi. They pretended not remotely informing them of the *ACTUAL* solution and only telling them to shut the hell up was smart. He's part of the staff, *you should be informing your mods* and just telling them to stand down and comment that they can't speak more on the issue without more information. By not telling him, they made it so his only course of action was rebellion because what the hell else is he supposed to think? They framed it like a cover up, they deserve the stupidity that comes from it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
It was asbolutely retaliation for showing that Jagex didn't care about players, only money. It was uncalled for and severely damaged Jagex's reputation. What Jagex should have done was to issue a statement that they were not aware the bot issue was that bad, and that it was now their highest priority, renew their commitment to F2P publicly, and then done that.
Why didn't they just tell Jiblix why they wanted him to take the video down instead of just saying "it's in your best interest". If they would've told him why, he probably would have taken it down.
hey brother, as i stream i played your videos off audio on a second monitor so i could listen to as i stream 12+ hours a day. i just wanted to say as someone who missed this glorious time period in runescape or never got a chance to dive into it at all, your videos and method of story telling has captivated my attention. great job and thank you. you earned a non scaper....runey? ruscs? non runescape player as a subscriber
I often wondered if I was the only person who remembered this fiasco. I was never under the impression that the video caused the bot nuke though, it was mainly just long simmering anger spilling over ever since the debacle of the return of free trade and its effect on an explosion in bots. Of course it should be noted the Bot nuke only worked a while, color picker bots later became a scourge for years to come.
I think Jagex deserved the hate & still deserves some hate nowadays how it treats it playerbase & how lackluster the player support is. Jagex is kinda corrupt & has been shown to silence whistle blowers.
It's really sad to see how it's become. I remember when I first started playing 2008.. I used to watch my friend play in 06-07 on his PC. He eventually convinced me to play and I ended up quitting in 2011, then came back like in 2013 and quit again in 2017 and came back in 2019 but quit again. It's just not the same.
They muted me a few weeks ago for telling someone not to be racist. Somehow I don't think the person I was talking to got muted. Well I can only assume that's what I was muted for they never gave me a reason just a screenshot of 30 minutes worth of text of mine with no context that I had to choose from. 18 years and I got my first muting...
@@A_Black_Sheep94 i got a mute for "scamming" when a guy offered me a team cape (the cheap useless ones) if i joined his clan. I did and got the cape and then left. Despite me never saying i would stay. He gave it to me for joining and not to stay although it was probably expected. So with their reasoning do i then become a slave to the clan owner? Am i ever allowed to leave the clan without being a scammer? I did it for the laughs because a team cape is worthless at every stage in the game yet it was enough to get muted for.
@@ATROFlAR Some people just can't be quite so ugly and insecure that they're afraid of showing their face much less taking a goofy picture. Goodluck Quasimodo.
Its weird how you dont mention how Mod Matt confirming how Jagex would purposely stop bot bans for over a year because they wanted that sweet sweet membership.
This is an appalling indictment on Jagex from start to finish.... that's no way to treat your staff, players or business. Trust & reputation take years to build & seconds to destroy... frankly it's irrelevant how long Jagex were working on a fix if their players (let alone a player mod) were left thinking that Jagex couldn't care less. You ignore your customers at your own peril. Responding to valid criticism with a tone-deaf threat like "we think it's in your best interest to take this video down" just heaps fuel on the dumpster fire your customers think your business is becoming.... you're not going to engender any loyalty in your dwindling player base (or retain your revenue figures) by openly demoting the people they see as their spokespeople when they raise _valid player concerns._
I mean, yeah - he was a "player" moderator - but even if it was for glory only, he called Jagex out for their B.S. with the F2P game. And Jagex still did nothing for a while? That really says it all.
It might sound odd but I think the fact that the nuke had been long-planned (but kept secret) casts Jagex's actions at the time in an even *worse* light... Botters are essentially playtesters and keeping them (temporarily) out of the loop is comparable with not running QA on a product because you expect it to fail. If a leak would render the project ineffective, then releasing it will have the same effect within a few weeks. Anti-bot measures should never rely on surprise, because that strategy implies that all you're gunning for is a temporary reprieve before better automation software hits the market. Botting needs to be a constant (and therefore budgeted) day-to-day concern which you never stop working (and spending) on. But yeah sick video I love this shit
You're very correct! The bot buke was actually ineffective after a few weeks. I believe color-dependent bots were also unaffected by the nuke, but luckily their numbers were few. Jacmob, the owner of RSBuddy, was the only bot dev who managed to beat the nuke in very short time, and was hired for that reason. He made an entirely new anti-bot system, the one we have today, which was far more effective.
I mean even if this didn't happen they still wouldn't have deserved to win that year cause the free to play part of the game was unplayable cause of bots. Jagex should take this criticism in stride and do better in the future.
If his video was going to interfere with the bot nuke project, I feel like there were better ways to communicate it instead of some mobster wannabe cringe "it's in your best interest" lmao. Also, it's Jagex fault for accepting a nomination for "best f2p" if their game was virtually entirely p2p and not a goot f2p game at all.
I strongly remember that story, I had a first-hand knowledge. I was a dual moderator for Runescape at that time. It was a difficult situation for the volunteer mods, as we know Jiblix very well but we are representing Jagex with regulating the game and the forum. All I can say is the Jiblix story was a very hard time for us.
When you realize just how much shit would have been avoided if they were just a little more transparent with him instead of being cryptic and just demoting him without a word
"bot nuke" lol there were bots running the next day... and anyone running basic macros was fine and clients were patched in a week as opposed to usually same day. 50% of online players are bots.
It's now something like 10% of online players are an individual bot on a personal account, and 44% of them are bots in a bot farm and/or their mules(including bot farms that farm bosses like Zulrah or godwars in "clans" made up entirely of the bot masters bots). Then about 1-2% are auto typers advertising phishing or RwT or "services.", then you got a whole nother bunch of the community that are RwT gamblers that make up around 10% of the player base, (and some of them are bots, think: AHK PvP bots, looter bots, gamble bots, etc.) this is the part that spends irl money on gold, stakes/duels the gold, then if they win they sell the gold for irl money to pay their irl expenses. (they usually do no armor, no food duels and a Middle man in a trusted duel community/discord holds the money and takes a % of profit to the clan, its pretty much like old dice games / FP but instead they simulate the duel arena.) Then you got the players that are "services" (this got busted recently somewhat, these are people who legit train your skills or do quests for you or services in exchange for RuneScape GP, technically bypassing the "RwT" rule.) That means 66% or roughly 2/3rds of the RS player base are bots, bot farms, gamblers, RwT'ers, service providers, auto typers, advertisers, etc and so on. Then out of the remaining 33% of the player base, about 1-3% of them are full time scammers / lures, beggars on multiple accounts, doublers, etc. So with our remaining 30% of the player base, about 80% of them are AFK either AFK training NMZ, or combat, whatever like just standing at the bank, they are passively playing the game and not actively giving it attention. Then you got the 10% ish of players who are *playing RuneScape as a job* Then you got the 1-3% of the player base that are playing socially and actively talking while skilling and the other 1-3% that is actively focusing on the game doing slayer or bossing or question or i.e. playing the game "properly." So yeah, when 66% of your player base are bots, and the remaining 1/3rd are AFK with 1-2% of your community doing slayer or having cyber sex at MudSkipper Point its pretty obvious that RuneScape is less of a game at this point and more like a black market money making method. Bot farms sell gold to irl gamblers, those gamblers scam, manipulate and fuck each other over, someone cashes out with 1000$ for the veneuzalian bodega, the other goes into debt and dies, and the circle repeats itself. The best part is that what I just said almost looks like a crazy conspiracy theory, but since everyone already knows this you get to just read it and go: Yeah, we all know.
If I was a conspiracy nut, I'd say that some Players are not reading the EULA when creating an account with Jagex. And even fewer Moderators reading the Moderator agreement. Surely nobody is THAT dumb right?.... RIGHT?!
Yep, as soon as a new game becomes popular, that is when the game devs start to assume they are gods, make no mistakes and everyone should bow to them. The only company that I have seen that has made strides to get past this hurdle has been WoW, and even they are only partially successful.
The fact that they took his pmod only made issues worse for jagex. They should have worked on fixing the issue, not trying to silence those who bring it up.
Will you couldn't make an "Eh alright" video If you tried. Great content as always! I've met you a couple times at the ge. I unfortunately can't play atm because my pc Is down but until I get a new one I'll use your videos to get my fix.
I still find it funny how you can buy bonds and treasure hunter keys for free xp and money but that used to be completely forbidden and would get you banned in the old days
This would've all been avoided had Jagex been more responsive to their pmods when they brought up shit like this. If a pmod tips off the bot makers, then ban them and scream why from the mountaintops. Simple.
It's a real shame Jagex hasn't changed. It been the same old song and dance for the past 11 years. I'm aware OSRS exists. But, it's still Jagex. They need to hit rock bottom. I've started playing christmas 2006. I remember hearing about the Jiblix incident so came to youtube and saw it. I agreed with him. I started playing less. When Squeal of Fortune came. I took a break. Took another break around eoc. Finally quit in 2021. Still have urges to log in but zero desire to play. Current problem is mtx and Jagex pretty much thinks it's player base is stupid.
As a relatively new player on osrs I don't really feel I have any sort of say in how this situation was handled. I only really have my general experience as a player and as a programmer. So honestly I can see both sides. As a player being I can totally see the way the PR was handled was a total crap shoot. Though I also can see that this isn't something a company would usually consider PR. Solving a boting issue isn't something you advertise and I can totally see Jagex seeing the issue as generally being non-disruptive to the general player base. Its an issue to be solved internally and swiftly. In a timeline video like this I you can easily see in hindsight how poorly it all culminated. What ultimately sprung this on was the award they were nominated for. Yes the boting problem was the main issue players took issue with but what pushed the creation of Jiblix's video and subsequently his loss of moderator privileges was the fact Runescape was nominated for a reward that they were unqualified to compete for. If I understand nominations for the award correctly its not the company or game that determines what category they are running for. Rather they are placed in categories by the award organizers. Its not as if Jagex proclaimed themselves the greatest Free to Play game, ofcourse when nominated they also can't proclaim themselves as a bad free to play game. Its only natural for a company to say "Hey vote for us if you like our game". Where it gets murky is the removal of Jiblix and their lack of transparency. The boting issue sounds like a sensitive technical issue. Honestly just saying "they are working on it" was a solid call. It's what most developers would say, Anything more and they are leaking information that could be used to counter or prepare against the incoming Bot Nuke. If they said they had a fix just around the corner bot accounts can preemptively unload their items and or be updated in such a way that evades whatever fix Jagex came up with. "Transparency can be damaging when it comes to fighting against malicious users" is a more technical way of putting it. Boters and nonboters can only be given the same level of information. Technically from this point of view player moderators are no different. They are not company employees and ultimately their allegiances are to the users themselves. They can't be trusted with more sensitive information than a regular user. It's too risky. This may sound cold but that's just basic security. Its very clear Jagex cares a lot about their security with how much they urge for their users to protect their accounts. Its regrettable that they decided they couldn't trust Jiblix with insider knowledge that the boting issue was on the cusp of being fixed but I can't really say that he was entitled to such privileges. Unfortunately this made Jiblix a martyr in the eyes of the player base thus causing a further PR disaster. I can't really see what else Jagex could have done from their perspective. If they caved and gave Jiblix information about the bot nuke they take added risk that he may leak information to the general player base. This may have curved the rioting against them but it would have also tipped off the boters. The nuke would have been effective but it would also open up the opportunity for more proactive boters to update their bots in an effort to combat against the nuke. The worst case scenario is that the boters off load their banks or take some bots offline, wait out the ban nuke, update the boting code, and come back in full force. The way the ban nuke went off unexpectedly made sure that the boters lost so much profit that sustaining their operations became unsustainable. Even if they developed new boting code the population of bots had been reduced enough that manual banning of bot accounts had become feasible. Its a difficult scenario. Even with all our foresight and knowledge of how Runescapes boting issue has progressed it still a difficult technical issue on the development side. From the moderation standpoint I can see how Joblix insighting a mob also doesn't look good on the team and on the playerbase. You can't have that sort of person representing you even if he has the best intentions at heart. I can almost garentee that if they had explained the situation to him he would have leaked all the information he had been given to the player base, especially because what he essentially had done was whistleblowing. Don't get me wrong whistleblowing is a good thing, but its less useful when the company is already fixing the issue. The only otherthing they could have said was "Please be patient" and honestly I think the player base would have taken offense to that type of plea as well. What I mean to say is that being a developer is difficult and fighting against malicious users is even harder. Developers are human (and conflating developers and soulless companies is a bit insensitive). This sounds like a difficult situation to balance and ultimately it resulted in a player mod being removed and huge PR hit against the company, however it also resulted in a shit ton of bots being banned, which from the development standpoint was the entire goal, and is also what the players wanted. Its hard not to say that if the rioting hadn't happened and if the matter was left to be worked on internally then this would have been a great triumph against the boting and the games moderation as a whole. But through the lack of trust between player mods and the developers on both sides as well as poor timing it became a PR nightmare.
Wow seeing clips from the video brought back some memories. I thought I had had never heard of this person until seeing the actual video playing, I forgot all about this.
He didn't even really turn anyone against Jagex, he just made them aware of how big of a problem botting had become. Jagex on the other hand (as seems to be the same bloody tune every time) succesfully managed to make a fair few of their customers less than happy about them. There's actually a fairly simple solution for getting rid of bots and what not, but Jagex shared the same mindset on the matter as Valve does, and therefore leaves the doors right open for them to come in so that they can make a few extra quick bucks on it. I have yet to actually come across a player let alone a moderator who thinks that Jagex is doing a good job. Some of the things that I've heard them say really goes to show how little Jagex cares about them for essentially doing their job. If you for an example take a look at the game design, most of it was inspired by other players and other game developers. RS reminds suspiciously much about Sky12 (think it was called?) when it comes to stuff like armour and weapons, whereas stuff such as the elder gods were pretty much stolen from Howard Phillips Lovecraft's work (take a look at Mah, looks oddly familar doesn't she?) I mean we even have the eldritch terror running around. Then there's Camelot, and in general just not that much originality to the game. The Elves of Tirannwn are based on WoW I'm pretty sure (or something like that) it feels and looks as if Jagex just took popular concepts and implemented them into the game. And I get that part of RuneScape's soul is that of its many references, but when it comes to actually crediting those who made all of it possible?... Yeah, not really seeing much of that. I mean look at what gaming companies like Sony are doing for their customers. Otherworldly graphics, gigantic areas to explore, fully voice-overed content and you even get to pick how your hero should sound like I mean Jagex could learn a LOT from Sony. I'm fearing that if Hogwarts' Legacy is just half as good as it looks like, then Jagex might actually have to turn the key because Carlyle is all about investment and seeing how Sony keeps hitting the jackpot whereas Jagex keeps dissappointing people... I mean it's of course just speculation but I could personally see that happen sometime soon unless Jagex steps up and actually listens to their players again.
Love the videos! I was wondering have you ever thought of posting your videos in a podcast format to like Spotify or Apple Podcasts? That way your audience can listen to your videos while driving or working.
Honestly, it doesn't change anything about the intent or effect of the de-moding, pming and public face of the game that the bot nuke was a wip. The video was an accurate and objective look at the current state of the game at the time. It's still a bad look to have that response to completely valid criticism. The only way the bot nuke could have been sabotaged is if the bot nuke itself was leaked not footage of bots that any player can simply see in the live game. The game's state at any time is ultimately Jagex's responsibility and if they have any ethics about that they wouldn't punish players for criticism. Especially not criticism that is evidenced simply recording the game in action that speaks for itself. I'm not saying they should have done better with the state of the game in particular (although they probably should have) I'm saying that despite how competent Jagex was on the back end that doesn't change the reality of the front end of the game. There's no excuse for acting like that isn't the reality for the most important group of people: the players. Just because a problem is "fixed" doesn't mean that it was never broken. The "good stuff that came later" cant be retroactively inserted into the narrative of the past. That's just how it was.
I seriously love your "subscribe to will miss it" jokes. Why can't other creators intergrate it in a fun way instead of "70% of you aren't subscribed so do that"
Bots are vital to the game. Are we really gonna pretend the modern dead wilderness, dead lumbridge and dead varrock are somehow better? Resources are still rock bottom, WORSE than they were with botting thanks to jagex adding ores runes essence etc to every new boss loot table. Bots didnt bring essence down to 1gp, Jagex did. Bots didnt bring nats to 80gp, bloods to 200, Jagex did. Bots aren't the issue.
Condemning Jagex for their bullshit IS rational. Whether they had a fix coming or not is totally irrelevant. Their conduct was childish and cowardly. Someone told a truth they didn't like, and rather than own up to their own inadequacies, they pitched a fit. Expressing disapproval of that kind of cowardly, petulant bullshit IS the rational response. Acting like the players are in the wrong because they didn't present some definitive plan to fix everything feels a bit off-the-mark, to me. That's not the goal of a demonstration like that, the goal is to force the people in positions of responsibility to fix things, because that's their fucking job!
You can say jagex doesnt care about their players but OSRS is a thing. Compare osrs to blizzards classic wow. A live service game that receives no QoL, and no new content. Now runescape: New continent. New skills. New quests. All fan submitted player voted. Ya. They dont care.
This is common for Jagex, myself and a handful of other player moderators have lost our crowns due to Jagex's lack of care for the players. Myself and a few others were targeted by a group of people who used photoshop to put our accounts for sale on 3rd party websites. We were all demodded even though we all still maintain control of our accounts. A dozen emails later, they just brushed me off as if 8 years serving as a forum / in-game p mod meant nothing. Seriously heart breaking.
Jagex doesn't care about their community. Look at RS3 and how they try to find anything to monetize Like for example High expensive PvM. Or the Green Santa hat.
Where did they upload these photoshopped photos to exactly? Like how did that lead to a ban.
I feel like if it was reddit someone would've noticed the shop
@@AlternativeImpulse He legit said in his original comment "people who used photoshop to put our accounts for sale on 3rd party websites." Ya goof :P
you were probably luring kids kekw
If you have a crown then you have no right to speak bad against the game. That simple.
Feel like someone could've just informed their well-trusted and well-loved moderator "hey, we've got something big in the works ready soon for those bots, could you help quell the community again?" instead of just going with "KNEEL TO JAGEX"
They're a player moderator, saying anything to them could've fucked them over given they didn't really have power to silence them and they weren't an employee, their loyalty stretched to Jagex giving them mod. If they had told them what would stop the mod from making a video about that? I don't think you guys get how companies, especially major MMO companies have to deal with stuff like this. With employees they wouldn't leak anything because they have a contract and would get fired, but a mod that is not related to jagex in that he's just a mod isn't enough trust to tell them about anything like this. That and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it legally, since mods don't have to sign contracts and aren't employees. And a mod making the community mad is never a good look, and they don't deserve to be a mod
A message like "we think it's in your best interest to take this video down", if that really is what was said, is an extremely shady thing to say given the circumstances. If they had been working on a solution that whole time, surely there could have been a more tactful way to approach it, especially considering that this was a private conversation and not a public one.
Yeah, this was a massive optics fail. What did Jagex think would happen in response to that?
If it was a private conversation how do you know it happened?
Well they can't have told him they were working on a bot nuke as there was a good chance it could have got leaked so there's not much they could have done but yeah they should have realized how shady that looks without the full context
@@Fridge_Fiend i dont think there really was any chance jib wouldve leaked anything.
I feel like they could have done a bit more damage control after releasing the nuke. Maybe say "hey, sorry about that, but we couldn't talk about the nuke ahead of time" and make him a mod again
There are plenty of examples where there is a true need to remove a community moderator's privileges....this is not one of them. You're not an employee for the company. You're a trusted voice for the community that's volunteering your time to help moderate the game and bring issues to swift resolutions. It is a community mods duty, to criticize the developers in a respectful manner and bring stuff like this to their attention. Removing someone's mod status for this, is essentially firing someone for doing their job.
Did you not pay attention to the video? He literally only caused hate and boycotting when the solution was almost done. You can't talk shit and cause the company you are volunteering for to receive that much hate AND lose a game award and NOT expect to lose perms, that ruins the public image and you only have those privileges to help the player base, not to harm the devs
@@Jiub_SN Unless he's secretly psychic, there's no way for him to have known any of that at the time.
@@Jiub_SN Still waiting on that solution. Going on over 10 years and the problem only gets worst
I remember meeting Jiblix in Draynor when chopping Willow logs. Back then a regular player if I am not mistaken. Great video once again, Will Miss It! Keep ‘em coming
I became friends with Zezima at the same place doing the same thing. 2006 runescape was a special place
@@jayceparkey2086 me and žezima were best friends from 2007-21
Pmods are regluar players lol, well tbh more like the janitors of rs
@@vanquishable7844 what happened?
@@OrangutanMontage we weren't actually BEST friends but he had me added I got banned now I can't message him anymore
People being angry that they stripped him of modhood IS rational thinking... It doesn't take a genius to see that de-moding him is a bad look and EXTREMLY bad optics. It shows that Player Mods aren't community ambassadors like Jagex made them out to be.
Literally all he did "wrong" was make a video showing the game... That's it...
They're idiots for firing him. If they already had the fix, they should have responded to his video w enthusiasm for him keeping them in check. The amount of fanfare they would have gotten for putting out a fix so 'quickly' after that would have been amazing PR.
Why don't they literally just have a PR person who addresses the issues that arise and communicate if they are or are not working on the problem and why. They don't have to explain all of their plan and each intricate detail obviously, but at least some sort of public accountability yet more formal than a bunch of twitter accounts tweeting @jagex that they suck. Idk, if they do have a PR team, it's not really showing a lot of the time.
Any mention of it would've been bad. Giving modders or hitters any information, even mentioning that it's a change to the system tips them off, they already DID say they were doing something. I don't get why people still can't comprehend this. I guess you guys have never deved before lmao
This whole issue could've been potentially avoided if Jagex provided a bit more transparency at the time, a bit more like they do now, or if that one J Mod had a better choice of words than "I think it would be in your best interest."
Yes because saying "we're making a bot killer" months before release and expecting bot makers to not prepare and look for whatever weakness they're trying to exploit in voting programs is a GREAT idea. And before you say "tell the pmods" the man's video is evidence enough to suggest that they can't be trusted with this type of info
How was the message wrong? They clearly were telling him as a friend, I'm willing to bet say anything else would've also got THEM in trouble
@@Jiub_SN The message was wrong because being less vague would have saved them the trouble in the long run. It's not like they needed to tell Jiblix every intimate detail of their plan, a simple "hey, we've got a solution on the way soon, keep it hush hush." would have probably been a lot clearer and prevented most, if not all, of the issue. Believe it or not, a little trust can go a long way.
I feel like Jagex could have handled things a lot better with Jiblix. Sure, they can't say "we're working on something that will nuke all the bots on the same day", but they could have easily made a statement of "we hear you and we're sorry, blah blah blah we plan to make things right". I can't really feel bad for Jagex getting hate when they strip someone of player/forum mod status after making an idle threat to "you better do this or you'll be sorry". But this is Jagex, we're talking about. If communication was air, they'd live on Mars.
Jagex: OH NO, THEY BECAME TOO POWERFUL.
😂 Too late, Jagex. I think its funny that they seemly gave a player mod status just for them to turn on Jagex.
Jagex may have been working on a bot fix, but phrasing their hushed attitude to Jiblix was like whatever idiot wrote Admiral Holdo the way they did in The Last Jedi. They pretended not remotely informing them of the *ACTUAL* solution and only telling them to shut the hell up was smart.
He's part of the staff, *you should be informing your mods* and just telling them to stand down and comment that they can't speak more on the issue without more information. By not telling him, they made it so his only course of action was rebellion because what the hell else is he supposed to think? They framed it like a cover up, they deserve the stupidity that comes from it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The moment I read the title I knew it was about Jiblix. His video is still valid to this day.
It was asbolutely retaliation for showing that Jagex didn't care about players, only money. It was uncalled for and severely damaged Jagex's reputation.
What Jagex should have done was to issue a statement that they were not aware the bot issue was that bad, and that it was now their highest priority, renew their commitment to F2P publicly, and then done that.
Why didn't they just tell Jiblix why they wanted him to take the video down instead of just saying "it's in your best interest".
If they would've told him why, he probably would have taken it down.
hey brother, as i stream i played your videos off audio on a second monitor so i could listen to as i stream 12+ hours a day. i just wanted to say as someone who missed this glorious time period in runescape or never got a chance to dive into it at all, your videos and method of story telling has captivated my attention. great job and thank you. you earned a non scaper....runey? ruscs? non runescape player as a subscriber
2011 era of Runescpae was the best era imo
I often wondered if I was the only person who remembered this fiasco. I was never under the impression that the video caused the bot nuke though, it was mainly just long simmering anger spilling over ever since the debacle of the return of free trade and its effect on an explosion in bots. Of course it should be noted the Bot nuke only worked a while, color picker bots later became a scourge for years to come.
But it did work, the pmod bitching on CZcams did nothing but give a bunch of 12 years an avenue to spew hate
God seeing those clips of living rock caverns brings back memories before I quit
I think Jagex deserved the hate & still deserves some hate nowadays how it treats it playerbase & how lackluster the player support is. Jagex is kinda corrupt & has been shown to silence whistle blowers.
It's really sad to see how it's become. I remember when I first started playing 2008.. I used to watch my friend play in 06-07 on his PC. He eventually convinced me to play and I ended up quitting in 2011, then came back like in 2013 and quit again in 2017 and came back in 2019 but quit again. It's just not the same.
They muted me a few weeks ago for telling someone not to be racist. Somehow I don't think the person I was talking to got muted. Well I can only assume that's what I was muted for they never gave me a reason just a screenshot of 30 minutes worth of text of mine with no context that I had to choose from. 18 years and I got my first muting...
@@A_Black_Sheep94 i got a mute for "scamming" when a guy offered me a team cape (the cheap useless ones) if i joined his clan. I did and got the cape and then left.
Despite me never saying i would stay. He gave it to me for joining and not to stay although it was probably expected. So with their reasoning do i then become a slave to the clan owner? Am i ever allowed to leave the clan without being a scammer? I did it for the laughs because a team cape is worthless at every stage in the game yet it was enough to get muted for.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 glad you were muted for being a janitor. nice reddit mod look you have going on btw
@@ATROFlAR Some people just can't be quite so ugly and insecure that they're afraid of showing their face much less taking a goofy picture. Goodluck Quasimodo.
Its weird how you dont mention how Mod Matt confirming how Jagex would purposely stop bot bans for over a year because they wanted that sweet sweet membership.
That's in 2012 with the ban hiatus.
I remember the jiblix video when it came out. 10 years later and jagex still has no idea how to manage RS or their company.
Extinction music over the hordes of bots fits so well, amazing work as always
Such great music! The musicians at Jagex are doing an amazing job recently.
3:20 in and the video still hasn’t actually started yet
This is an appalling indictment on Jagex from start to finish.... that's no way to treat your staff, players or business. Trust & reputation take years to build & seconds to destroy... frankly it's irrelevant how long Jagex were working on a fix if their players (let alone a player mod) were left thinking that Jagex couldn't care less. You ignore your customers at your own peril. Responding to valid criticism with a tone-deaf threat like "we think it's in your best interest to take this video down" just heaps fuel on the dumpster fire your customers think your business is becoming.... you're not going to engender any loyalty in your dwindling player base (or retain your revenue figures) by openly demoting the people they see as their spokespeople when they raise _valid player concerns._
I don't know what it was all about, but I remember back between '05-'07 following a crowd around Falador spamming ''R.I.H. FAGEX!''. 😂
I mean, yeah - he was a "player" moderator - but even if it was for glory only, he called Jagex out for their B.S. with the F2P game. And Jagex still did nothing for a while? That really says it all.
its crazy how you bring the info and make the story and the twist on the story itself when this is wasnt the case
your videos are the best
I'm not here for the futuristic world of Mech Arena, I'm here for the medieval fantasy world of RuneScape.
dude people just cannot make content for free, I am more than happy to see ads on Wil's vids
@@Sakuyushi Mate, I was just being silly. I actually don't care whether or not if he does ads.
@@tehhypergamer963 oof damn sorry m8 lol
@@Sakuyushi It's alright, lol.
loved the portion of the video where you added the quote and the sound track from the most recent grandmaster quest. Amazing.
Wow, I have a vague memory from back then, but you have now clarified it for me 11 years later hahah.
It might sound odd but I think the fact that the nuke had been long-planned (but kept secret) casts Jagex's actions at the time in an even *worse* light... Botters are essentially playtesters and keeping them (temporarily) out of the loop is comparable with not running QA on a product because you expect it to fail. If a leak would render the project ineffective, then releasing it will have the same effect within a few weeks. Anti-bot measures should never rely on surprise, because that strategy implies that all you're gunning for is a temporary reprieve before better automation software hits the market. Botting needs to be a constant (and therefore budgeted) day-to-day concern which you never stop working (and spending) on.
But yeah sick video I love this shit
You're very correct! The bot buke was actually ineffective after a few weeks. I believe color-dependent bots were also unaffected by the nuke, but luckily their numbers were few.
Jacmob, the owner of RSBuddy, was the only bot dev who managed to beat the nuke in very short time, and was hired for that reason. He made an entirely new anti-bot system, the one we have today, which was far more effective.
You asking for sub and bell ringing is always a 10/10 I'm legit waiting for it. Just to see how you did it in this vid, keep it up
Im a rs3 player but i absolutley LOVE these mini docs i recently binge watched them all and i now can not wait for each new one! Great work.
Honestly saying you are an rs3 player is equivalent to saying you are a pedo. Go get help.
I mean even if this didn't happen they still wouldn't have deserved to win that year cause the free to play part of the game was unplayable cause of bots. Jagex should take this criticism in stride and do better in the future.
He's the Edward Snowden of RuneScape.
If his video was going to interfere with the bot nuke project, I feel like there were better ways to communicate it instead of some mobster wannabe cringe "it's in your best interest" lmao. Also, it's Jagex fault for accepting a nomination for "best f2p" if their game was virtually entirely p2p and not a goot f2p game at all.
I strongly remember that story, I had a first-hand knowledge. I was a dual moderator for Runescape at that time. It was a difficult situation for the volunteer mods, as we know Jiblix very well but we are representing Jagex with regulating the game and the forum. All I can say is the Jiblix story was a very hard time for us.
I am always surprised at how shady Jagex is LOL
I supported him, i also want runescape to be in full glory. Becoming greater and more grand. Make the map larger again, add more shit.
hm i didn't realize he turned me against jagex. very shocked.
A little late to the video but the most important message I gleamed from this was " Ghostbusters is annoying mate."
When you realize just how much shit would have been avoided if they were just a little more transparent with him instead of being cryptic and just demoting him without a word
I fucking love this channel. Keep it up bro
Aw man thank you
Damn this was great writing on your part Rswillmissit. Had a rollercoaster of emotions about something I wouldn't normally care too much about.
Always happy when you upload after a bad day at work thanks bud
Hope your day gets better!
I miss seeing the bots running around. I could relate to them.
"bot nuke"
lol there were bots running the next day... and anyone running basic macros was fine and clients were patched in a week as opposed to usually same day. 50% of online players are bots.
It's now something like 10% of online players are an individual bot on a personal account, and 44% of them are bots in a bot farm and/or their mules(including bot farms that farm bosses like Zulrah or godwars in "clans" made up entirely of the bot masters bots). Then about 1-2% are auto typers advertising phishing or RwT or "services.", then you got a whole nother bunch of the community that are RwT gamblers that make up around 10% of the player base, (and some of them are bots, think: AHK PvP bots, looter bots, gamble bots, etc.)
this is the part that spends irl money on gold, stakes/duels the gold, then if they win they sell the gold for irl money to pay their irl expenses. (they usually do no armor, no food duels and a Middle man in a trusted duel community/discord holds the money and takes a % of profit to the clan, its pretty much like old dice games / FP but instead they simulate the duel arena.)
Then you got the players that are "services" (this got busted recently somewhat, these are people who legit train your skills or do quests for you or services in exchange for RuneScape GP, technically bypassing the "RwT" rule.)
That means 66% or roughly 2/3rds of the RS player base are bots, bot farms, gamblers, RwT'ers, service providers, auto typers, advertisers, etc and so on.
Then out of the remaining 33% of the player base, about 1-3% of them are full time scammers / lures, beggars on multiple accounts, doublers, etc.
So with our remaining 30% of the player base, about 80% of them are AFK either AFK training NMZ, or combat, whatever like just standing at the bank, they are passively playing the game and not actively giving it attention.
Then you got the 10% ish of players who are *playing RuneScape as a job*
Then you got the 1-3% of the player base that are playing socially and actively talking while skilling and the other 1-3% that is actively focusing on the game doing slayer or bossing or question or i.e. playing the game "properly."
So yeah, when 66% of your player base are bots, and the remaining 1/3rd are AFK with 1-2% of your community doing slayer or having cyber sex at MudSkipper Point its pretty obvious that RuneScape is less of a game at this point and more like a black market money making method. Bot farms sell gold to irl gamblers, those gamblers scam, manipulate and fuck each other over, someone cashes out with 1000$ for the veneuzalian bodega, the other goes into debt and dies, and the circle repeats itself.
The best part is that what I just said almost looks like a crazy conspiracy theory, but since everyone already knows this you get to just read it and go: Yeah, we all know.
Love these types of vids you are one of a kind my dude
idk maybe they couldve just told him they were working on something instead of coming off extremely shady.
If I was a conspiracy nut, I'd say that some Players are not reading the EULA when creating an account with Jagex. And even fewer Moderators reading the Moderator agreement. Surely nobody is THAT dumb right?.... RIGHT?!
As a TF2 Player, I can empathize with the bot issue.
"This Player Mod Turned Every Player Against Jagex" You don't know how delicious that sounds, hello I owned a level 110 account named Phat Boy140.
Yep, as soon as a new game becomes popular, that is when the game devs start to assume they are gods, make no mistakes and everyone should bow to them. The only company that I have seen that has made strides to get past this hurdle has been WoW, and even they are only partially successful.
The fact that they took his pmod only made issues worse for jagex. They should have worked on fixing the issue, not trying to silence those who bring it up.
Will you couldn't make an "Eh alright" video If you tried. Great content as always! I've met you a couple times at the ge. I unfortunately can't play atm because my pc Is down but until I get a new one I'll use your videos to get my fix.
I still find it funny how you can buy bonds and treasure hunter keys for free xp and money but that used to be completely forbidden and would get you banned in the old days
As soon as I saw 0:48 I knew exactly who you were talking about. Its actually this video that got me into rob dougan's music
you're the only rs3 content creator ill watch
Great video, as always. Thanks for the accurate and interesting info about the game I've loved since I was like 6
Jagex is pretty much like Chrischan when he said IM WORKIN ON IT!
‘In your best interest’ (to remove his post/video) sounds like a threat to me and I would take that further with that idiot mod
it didn't just sound like a threat, it literally was. He did get punished for it.
12:24 perfect scout laugh
You actually made me laugh out loud at 12:25. Haha anyway love your videos, keep up the amazing work.
Edit: I guess leading up to it starts at 12:20
after 20 years in runescape we still cant get past jiblix loosing his pmod and fmod status
Holy shit I had no idea he did this. Took a break for a while right around the time dungeoneering came out.
This would've all been avoided had Jagex been more responsive to their pmods when they brought up shit like this. If a pmod tips off the bot makers, then ban them and scream why from the mountaintops. Simple.
Freedom of speech jagex “na not around here”😂😭
Why do you think the UK has freedom of speech? Not every place is the same as the USA.
@@christianwtf2960 USA? Free speech? Don’t make me laugh.😂
Literally have played this game since early 2000s, have watched a lot of rs videos on YT for over a decade and have never seen that video.
They use ppl for free labor then toss them aside whenever it suits them, esp to protect their egos. Ffs.
It's a real shame Jagex hasn't changed. It been the same old song and dance for the past 11 years. I'm aware OSRS exists. But, it's still Jagex. They need to hit rock bottom. I've started playing christmas 2006. I remember hearing about the Jiblix incident so came to youtube and saw it. I agreed with him. I started playing less. When Squeal of Fortune came. I took a break. Took another break around eoc. Finally quit in 2021. Still have urges to log in but zero desire to play. Current problem is mtx and Jagex pretty much thinks it's player base is stupid.
Even if they weren't obligated it's pretty shitty and telling when you threaten people to silence them. That's not something we SHOULD EVER support.
You did the Jiblix video!! Woohoo!!
As a relatively new player on osrs I don't really feel I have any sort of say in how this situation was handled. I only really have my general experience as a player and as a programmer. So honestly I can see both sides. As a player being I can totally see the way the PR was handled was a total crap shoot. Though I also can see that this isn't something a company would usually consider PR. Solving a boting issue isn't something you advertise and I can totally see Jagex seeing the issue as generally being non-disruptive to the general player base. Its an issue to be solved internally and swiftly. In a timeline video like this I you can easily see in hindsight how poorly it all culminated.
What ultimately sprung this on was the award they were nominated for. Yes the boting problem was the main issue players took issue with but what pushed the creation of Jiblix's video and subsequently his loss of moderator privileges was the fact Runescape was nominated for a reward that they were unqualified to compete for. If I understand nominations for the award correctly its not the company or game that determines what category they are running for. Rather they are placed in categories by the award organizers. Its not as if Jagex proclaimed themselves the greatest Free to Play game, ofcourse when nominated they also can't proclaim themselves as a bad free to play game. Its only natural for a company to say "Hey vote for us if you like our game". Where it gets murky is the removal of Jiblix and their lack of transparency. The boting issue sounds like a sensitive technical issue. Honestly just saying "they are working on it" was a solid call. It's what most developers would say, Anything more and they are leaking information that could be used to counter or prepare against the incoming Bot Nuke. If they said they had a fix just around the corner bot accounts can preemptively unload their items and or be updated in such a way that evades whatever fix Jagex came up with.
"Transparency can be damaging when it comes to fighting against malicious users" is a more technical way of putting it. Boters and nonboters can only be given the same level of information. Technically from this point of view player moderators are no different. They are not company employees and ultimately their allegiances are to the users themselves. They can't be trusted with more sensitive information than a regular user. It's too risky. This may sound cold but that's just basic security. Its very clear Jagex cares a lot about their security with how much they urge for their users to protect their accounts. Its regrettable that they decided they couldn't trust Jiblix with insider knowledge that the boting issue was on the cusp of being fixed but I can't really say that he was entitled to such privileges. Unfortunately this made Jiblix a martyr in the eyes of the player base thus causing a further PR disaster. I can't really see what else Jagex could have done from their perspective. If they caved and gave Jiblix information about the bot nuke they take added risk that he may leak information to the general player base. This may have curved the rioting against them but it would have also tipped off the boters. The nuke would have been effective but it would also open up the opportunity for more proactive boters to update their bots in an effort to combat against the nuke. The worst case scenario is that the boters off load their banks or take some bots offline, wait out the ban nuke, update the boting code, and come back in full force. The way the ban nuke went off unexpectedly made sure that the boters lost so much profit that sustaining their operations became unsustainable. Even if they developed new boting code the population of bots had been reduced enough that manual banning of bot accounts had become feasible. Its a difficult scenario. Even with all our foresight and knowledge of how Runescapes boting issue has progressed it still a difficult technical issue on the development side.
From the moderation standpoint I can see how Joblix insighting a mob also doesn't look good on the team and on the playerbase. You can't have that sort of person representing you even if he has the best intentions at heart. I can almost garentee that if they had explained the situation to him he would have leaked all the information he had been given to the player base, especially because what he essentially had done was whistleblowing. Don't get me wrong whistleblowing is a good thing, but its less useful when the company is already fixing the issue. The only otherthing they could have said was "Please be patient" and honestly I think the player base would have taken offense to that type of plea as well.
What I mean to say is that being a developer is difficult and fighting against malicious users is even harder. Developers are human (and conflating developers and soulless companies is a bit insensitive). This sounds like a difficult situation to balance and ultimately it resulted in a player mod being removed and huge PR hit against the company, however it also resulted in a shit ton of bots being banned, which from the development standpoint was the entire goal, and is also what the players wanted. Its hard not to say that if the rioting hadn't happened and if the matter was left to be worked on internally then this would have been a great triumph against the boting and the games moderation as a whole. But through the lack of trust between player mods and the developers on both sides as well as poor timing it became a PR nightmare.
Look at this guy being all rational
Wow seeing clips from the video brought back some memories. I thought I had had never heard of this person until seeing the actual video playing, I forgot all about this.
I think there are some very insecure and arrogant people behind these decisions to demod players for speaking out on issues.
Love these bro keep them coming!
Song at 9:00-9:36?
Link? coudlnt find
need this slowed down version
Gonna go to a runescape irl event in full frog prince. Fuck with mah classsic drip
Gotta say LoL was fucking huge at that time. Literally no one stood a chance.
What if the bots were just jagex trying to make the game look more alive
Waiting for Rswillmissit loses his mod status documentary
“This player moderator turned everyone against jagex”
Reality: Not everyone it seems
He didn't even really turn anyone against Jagex, he just made them aware of how big of a problem botting had become. Jagex on the other hand (as seems to be the same bloody tune every time) succesfully managed to make a fair few of their customers less than happy about them. There's actually a fairly simple solution for getting rid of bots and what not, but Jagex shared the same mindset on the matter as Valve does, and therefore leaves the doors right open for them to come in so that they can make a few extra quick bucks on it. I have yet to actually come across a player let alone a moderator who thinks that Jagex is doing a good job. Some of the things that I've heard them say really goes to show how little Jagex cares about them for essentially doing their job. If you for an example take a look at the game design, most of it was inspired by other players and other game developers. RS reminds suspiciously much about Sky12 (think it was called?) when it comes to stuff like armour and weapons, whereas stuff such as the elder gods were pretty much stolen from Howard Phillips Lovecraft's work (take a look at Mah, looks oddly familar doesn't she?) I mean we even have the eldritch terror running around. Then there's Camelot, and in general just not that much originality to the game. The Elves of Tirannwn are based on WoW I'm pretty sure (or something like that) it feels and looks as if Jagex just took popular concepts and implemented them into the game. And I get that part of RuneScape's soul is that of its many references, but when it comes to actually crediting those who made all of it possible?... Yeah, not really seeing much of that. I mean look at what gaming companies like Sony are doing for their customers. Otherworldly graphics, gigantic areas to explore, fully voice-overed content and you even get to pick how your hero should sound like I mean Jagex could learn a LOT from Sony. I'm fearing that if Hogwarts' Legacy is just half as good as it looks like, then Jagex might actually have to turn the key because Carlyle is all about investment and seeing how Sony keeps hitting the jackpot whereas Jagex keeps dissappointing people... I mean it's of course just speculation but I could personally see that happen sometime soon unless Jagex steps up and actually listens to their players again.
Love the videos! I was wondering have you ever thought of posting your videos in a podcast format to like Spotify or Apple Podcasts? That way your audience can listen to your videos while driving or working.
Thank you! I have, but I feel some of it wouldn't translate too well to podcast format. Maybe you disagree?
Honestly, it doesn't change anything about the intent or effect of the de-moding, pming and public face of the game that the bot nuke was a wip. The video was an accurate and objective look at the current state of the game at the time. It's still a bad look to have that response to completely valid criticism. The only way the bot nuke could have been sabotaged is if the bot nuke itself was leaked not footage of bots that any player can simply see in the live game. The game's state at any time is ultimately Jagex's responsibility and if they have any ethics about that they wouldn't punish players for criticism. Especially not criticism that is evidenced simply recording the game in action that speaks for itself. I'm not saying they should have done better with the state of the game in particular (although they probably should have) I'm saying that despite how competent Jagex was on the back end that doesn't change the reality of the front end of the game. There's no excuse for acting like that isn't the reality for the most important group of people: the players. Just because a problem is "fixed" doesn't mean that it was never broken. The "good stuff that came later" cant be retroactively inserted into the narrative of the past. That's just how it was.
Ah hax unit mention in the start lol
2011 was one of the most infamous years in rs history*
I seriously love your "subscribe to will miss it" jokes. Why can't other creators intergrate it in a fun way instead of "70% of you aren't subscribed so do that"
I appreciate that!
now that sponsor took selling out to the next level LMFAO
11:27 this ngga a fool 🤣
it seems that the best reward from the new quest was actually the music 🙃. Loved the integration and as always great work.
Bots are vital to the game.
Are we really gonna pretend the modern dead wilderness, dead lumbridge and dead varrock are somehow better?
Resources are still rock bottom, WORSE than they were with botting thanks to jagex adding ores runes essence etc to every new boss loot table. Bots didnt bring essence down to 1gp, Jagex did. Bots didnt bring nats to 80gp, bloods to 200, Jagex did.
Bots aren't the issue.
Condemning Jagex for their bullshit IS rational. Whether they had a fix coming or not is totally irrelevant. Their conduct was childish and cowardly. Someone told a truth they didn't like, and rather than own up to their own inadequacies, they pitched a fit. Expressing disapproval of that kind of cowardly, petulant bullshit IS the rational response. Acting like the players are in the wrong because they didn't present some definitive plan to fix everything feels a bit off-the-mark, to me. That's not the goal of a demonstration like that, the goal is to force the people in positions of responsibility to fix things, because that's their fucking job!
Now if only they could figure out OSRS bots…
He logged into runescape, recorded gameplay, and was told it's anti Jagex content.
I'm confused?
Maybe change your game. That's like Hitler being mad that somebody said that Hitler was ordering death to Jews.
Great video, but there was absolutely no reason to remind me that 2011 was over a decade ago 🤣 I feel personally attacked
I'll never play runescape, but, I'll always enjoy these videos.
Have you played before? Do you feel the info is good enough to understand the "lingo" without necessarily playing?
You can say jagex doesnt care about their players but OSRS is a thing. Compare osrs to blizzards classic wow. A live service game that receives no QoL, and no new content. Now runescape: New continent. New skills. New quests. All fan submitted player voted. Ya. They dont care.
I'm fairly new to RuneScape videos. Yours stand out as intelligent and well informed. Look forward to new ones.
My grandad always said.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.