Jeep Wagoneer Blows Up After 3rd Thermostat, Blows Head Gasket 115K Wasted
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- In today's video we find several Jeep Wagoneers with blown hurricane Engines due to faulty cheap thermostats causing overheating and blowing the head gasket in several cases.
This is a direct result of CEO Carlos Tavares cost cutting procedures, using cheap parts in a luxury product is a recipe for disaster. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Investment companies are the worst thing to happen to any company when they get taken over
We are witnessing a failed business education system. Teaches bean counters how to squeeze every last nickel out of a company. Buy a strong brand, cheapen everything for increased profit, to hell with quality and brand reputation. Predatory capitalism on display.
The board needs to tell Tavares he's stuck using one of these as his personal car, and he has to log 50-100 miles a day if he doesn't want to lose bonus money.
Mr Tavares reminds me of Mr Burns from the Simpsons
Lol, I was just thinking the same thing, and in some pics he looks demonic
When Jeep was owned by AMC they were the best. My 1977 J10 PU was the best truck I ever owned. The GrandWagoneer back then was the best.
Remember when car makers made a killing and didn't build junk? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I don’t. Car makers have been doing this crap since the 70’s at least, probably earlier. I just don’t remember it.
I can only imagine the price. If the heads. Being the repair cost is 17,000. To 19,000. 😊. Seen companies bill out 20 +. K. For top end rebuilds. 😢
Bought my wife one in January. Had it in our possession for a total of 16 days. Lived at the dealership trying to fix electrical issues since January. Star case manager after awhile quit responding. Level 3 engineer would never return phone calls to dealership. Dealer was fed up and bought it back from me and I’ve moved on.
TK push to get Carlos prosecuted for this.
TK, I agree with your "cheap parts" assessment for multiple reasons: 1) The cheap part may not have been tested in the intended application to prove it will survive all expected worst-case operating conditions in the field (I.e., they were too cheap to run a test to see if it would work) possibly because 2) the workforce that would have known the replacement part wouldn't work properly was fired, so the knowledge base, or expertise, of the company left with them. So someone who didn't know any better bought the part and the results are what we have today.
There is corollary to the short wire harnesses on the Hurricane motors that are coming unplugged after a few miles of driving. I initially thought it was because the Computer Aided Design (CAD) tool was making the harnesses too short by a few millimeters because the CAD tool can't exactly predict the wire lengths of every wire in the harness as the main harness (especially thick ones with many wires) bends around a corner. Each wire has its own bend radius, and hence, its own length in the wire loom, and that results in the connector ending up a few millimeters short from mating with the electronics box.
Another thing I just thought of was that the CAD tool will accurately predict the exact length of the harness as it extends from the firewall to the engine and some cheapskate will have the harness built to that exact length. But a knowledgeable engineer will know the engine rocks in the engine mount as the engine creates max torque, so the harness has to be made a few inches longer to provide a service loop that prevents the connectors from getting unplugged when the engine revs up. But if you let all the people go who know these things, then the service loop may not be left in, and, hence, connectors get unplugged in the field on a few engines as we're seeing now.
Just a thought. But, yeah, it's all about the bean counters on the top working their magic all the way down and destroying reliability and customer confidence for decades.
At this point I'm thinking if there's no 10 year unlimited mileage warranty on the drivetrain I'm not buying ANY Stellantis product . . . ..
When all sales are in the "red" except maybe 2 or 3, you should stop spending a dollar to save a dime and start spending a dime to save a dollar
I work in the warranty inspection dept. I can’t believe the engine failures on these jeeps! The 2.0 and 2.4 engines being the worst. Head gasket failures because of block defects , excessive oil consumption. All of these failures occur just past 60k miles. Unreal!
@@user-fj2dh4vu5s I don't think it is wise to have the exhaust manifold cast with the head.
TK I agree with using the cheaper materials. For example back you could get a grand Cherokee and pay for a package to get nappa leather seats… now you have to buy a certain trim level to get that.
glad I never bought a wagoneer with the in line I-6 wanted one to tow my airstream , stick with my 5.7 hemi ram , I drive it every day never hear the exhaust tick
My 2006 hemi Durango has 152,000 miles runs like a turbine. Pulls like a freight train, 17mp hwy...
Just why are modern engines so fragile? A thermostat fails, and completely destroys the engine. I have many old school Ford and Chevy engines, and I'm talking about the old cast iron pushrod engines, survive being overheated over and over again, to the point where something blew, like a radiator hose, and when the cause of the overheating was fixed, and whatever blew fixed or replaced, and they were refilled with ethylene glycol, they ran just fine. Those old engines were built like anvils. They were bulletproof. Cast iron blocks and heads. Cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds. No aluminum, no plastic. Simple single cam pushrod designs with 2 valves per cylinder. Even when one did need repairs, they were so simple and easy to work on, it was no big deal. With one on an engine stand, I can COMPLETELY disassemble it in half an hour, and I mean carefully, not throwing parts all over the place. I have a cast iron small block Chevy engine in a '72 Nova that has been down the dragstrip close to 200 times, and the heads have not been off since I built it. Compression is down only slightly. It has been seriously beat on, and still runs like it did when I first built it. Nothing like that is being made any more.
If all this damage is being caused from overheating, why not simply install a cutoff switch that will shut the engine off at a certain temperature? I have been installing just such switches on the oil pressure sending units on my race engines for decades. If oil pressure is lost, it immediately kills the ignition. I started doing that because I did have an engine lose oil pressure once. It was my fault. I made a mistake when assembling the engine. It has not happened again, but having the low pressure cutoff switch will help prevent damage if it should.
If that's true, why back in the '60s '70s and '80s. You were lucky to get 100,000 mi out of a car. Most of them were done after 60,000 mi with worn out engines due to inefficiency of a carburetor therefore diluting the engine oil causing premature wear when today's modern vehicle will run minimum 200,000 MI before the engine begins to give out. Just my observation
@@paulangus3067 And incorrect. Newer engines have a higher nickel content in block castings/cylinder sleeves which resists cylinder wall wear.
A friend of mine has a 1977 Ford with a 351M..considered one of Fords worst engines. Hes owned it since it was 2 years old. It is of course carbureted. He changes the oil every 3000 miles and it has a documented 386,000 miles on it, with only 2 timing chain replacements.
Modern junk often has dissimilar metals in blocks and heads which have different rates of expansion, therefore more risk of head gasket failure.
And then to make things worse he's thinking about going over to Boeing with that shit like you showed in your earlier vlog and just like you said, you wont catch me dead on plane if that's the case
It's a plastic thermostat?
The thermostat and housing are an assembly. The housing is plastic. The thermostat in my 2014 Grand Cherokee failed closed. No dealer in the area could provide roadside service or replace a thermostat within 2 weeks. I was able to remove the thermostat and top off the coolant with bottled water. Several dealers did not stock thermostats so I found an aftermarket replacement for considerably less than $75 that Jeep would have charged if they had one. The local dealer wanted $600 for coolant replacement which should have been covered under warranty. So far the aftermarket thermostat has not failed.
Plasma welded cylinder walls started out in chainsaws, we're not great there either. I wonder if these thermostats are in the neck of housing to block like 3.6😊
I only paid $114,800 for my house back in 2012/2013. It's official -- the Hundred Grand Wagoneer costs as much as my house!
You need to look into Bowling Green Metal in Bowling Green Ky on the frames they messed up on the Jeep Wagoneer. Totally dropped the ball. If I owned a Wagoneer i would be checking to make sure all pieces of frame are welded together. 😉
how is an extended warranty going to help with bad and cheap design ?
I saw a tear down of a relatively new 3.6 V6. The biggest concern was not the design, but the materials some of the components were made out of plastic that have no business being anywhere the material of plastic. This is the same company that also made suspension components on the “hornet”, out of plastic. SMH
The Ford "Powerjoke" diesel engine has a plastic oil pan....
Thats the biggest problem today is the cheap plastics. Heck even most rims are plastic covered from dodge
The old adage “Robbing Peter to pay Paul” comes to mind.
I just bought a 2025 Ram 1500 with the hurricane last month and its at the dealer now because the check engine light came on 3x within 1500 miles for multiple misfires… they opened up a star case…. wish i never got rid of my hemi
Anytime you strap a turbo or two to a vastly underpowered base engine to push about a heavy sled will always disappoint. High heat, high pressure is the downfall of any engine and that's just what the Hurricane is delivering. And to imagine they're asking north of 100k$ for these schytt bombs? Stellantis is out of it's MIND!
Same as Ford Ecob- oost "welded spark plugs into head" engines....pure junk...
What is worse, is declining sales because of reputation of the quality of the vehicle. At that price point people have better options; X7, GLS, Escalade, Navigator.
Anybody can buy cheaper parts, until it comes back to bite you. Chinesium parts do not last, and cost more than they save. The board is very shortsighted. Or they are just doing a smash and grab, take what they can and some else holding the bag.
so true to past American thermostat styles where the thing fails CLOSED? Then we have some gauge on the cluster that is heavily buffered and so we don't really know what the temperature looks like until bam it's over temp. Then it's Aluminum, I am ok with that, but very short periods of time like MINUTES the head is going to warp. Yes BMW is like that, but modern BMWs let's say they have a water pump die will command you off the road immediately. I am all for turbo inline 6 as they are excellent platforms. It's the little things that kill
1…Stellantis standards were dropping long before Carlos Tavares
2… Fiat is there biggest successful brand so Europe is there priority
3…they just announced Stellantis joins forces with France's CEA for EV battery research
4… European market growing in first four months by 4.4% in volumes and confirming a market share of 18.8%, up 0.5 points vs FY23.
5….I suspect they will sell there US brands to Chinese companies within 18-24months…who else would overpay for failing brands
This is getting bad I’ll make sure to have my family stay away from Dodge
You can't cut quality if you never had it in the first place.
The Thermostat is being blamed for a poorly designed and manufactured Hurricane engine!
Let SHIT HIT THE FAN, it'll be more "beautiful" than a modern art masterpiece ! 👌💀
So they replace the engine, does it still have the same cheap thermostat?
The best I've heard about these is that the ones with engines not blown got a revised thermostat to prevent the issue.
What engine does this cross over to? Is it the Cherokee models as well ?
No. It was in the wagoneer 1st but now it's going into the new 1500 rams and the later 25 dodge charger gas models.
Even the sainted Toyota has seen serious product issues due trying to meet ever increasing and excessive regulations, keeping costs down despite record high MSRP's. Still the level of failures of Jeep and related CDJR products are unacceptable and is destroying the brands,
Toyota---PFFT. 3.0 V-6 engines with valve seat recession and head gasket issues. 90s era Camry 4 cylinders with what Toyota called "oil gelling" issues.
Defective regenerative braking on Prius, which cost Toyota a one billion dollar fine from the Federal government.
Stupidly designed Camry accelerator pedals which got caught on something as simple as a floormat.
Early 2000s Tundra trucks with ball joints that corroded away dropping many front ends on the pavement..
And now their new 6 cylinder turbo engines have been recalled, but Toyota wont install a new engine, they just repair it and ship it back out.
Stellantis products are FAR worse.
Thats why my daily driver is 47 years old, and its NOT a Toyota.
There are a lot of vehicles built before 1995 out there for under 10k and I CAN and WILL rebuild them to have a simple reliable vehicle.
How much did GM save by putting smaller front brakes (and 13-inch rims and tires) on my early Cutlass Ciera (the station wagon came with 14-inchers and larger brakes). 10-12K front brake changes instead of 30K+ miles for the wagons? I remember these things FOR LIFE and I can wage an economic boycott FOR LIFE. Boycott Stellantis / Chrysler / AMC.
Theres 2 solutions dont buy one, or try to find one with the 6.4
Its not a coincidence that Jeep and Junk begin with the same letter.
The last real and good Wagoneer was made circa 1990.
I dont know what this Stellantis pile of garbage is other than virtually worthless.
A new Stellantis dealer incentive for every vehicle; a FREE Biden/Harris sicker @ each end. A true support from mainstay of CDJR customer base & dealer ethics.
Junk, and Junk…
When you pay more for a new vehicle then what you can buy a house for even if it's a older and small house your not very smart!!!!!!
Everybody just go to a
get a vet.
I have to disagree with you in many ways, first, Jeep isn't a luxury brand. If you spent over 50k on any vehicle from Jeep, then you are a fool. If you got scammed with the last call Challengers and their mark ups, then you are really a fool especially went the economy is going to even get worse than it is now. Second, Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler didn't just become junk ever since Stellantis took over, they were always junk and were at the bottom of the list for reliability for the longest time.
They werent always junk, at least the engines transmissions and suspension. Their engines were some of the toughest and most reliable around. There was a time when Chrysler Plymouth and Dodge vehicles would literally fall apart around the drivetrain. Jeep didnt count, they were American Motors before 1989.
Late 1960s Chrysler Corporation advertisement...... "Extra care in engineering"
That hasnt applied for the last 45 years or so,