Timberwolves vs. Nuggets: Will the winner be the NBA Title favorites? | First Take Debates
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- Timberwolves vs. Nuggets: Will the winner be the NBA Title favorites? | First Take Debates
On First Take, Shannon Sharpe, Brian Windhorst and Tim Legler debate whether the winner of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Denver Nuggets series will be title favorites.
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ESPN gave this segment 7-8 mins they went on to give Lebron James being at the Cav's game 12-13 mins can ya all talk about who's in the playoffs and not who's courtside watching.
Thank you!!!
THIS X1000
Enough with LeDrama James
Bow to your king
Show the GOAT some respect…go watch the segment again for this display of disrespect…
Shannon doesn't know the NBA.
Watch, if Minnesota wins tonight, they will be back tomorrow talking about how no team can handle MN’s defense and how ANT is MJ 2.0 😂😂😂
Literally the switch up is crazy…they were just saying Denver was getting swept😂😂
@@dillmulai am new to nba
Who wins ? What do you think
I want aaron gordon guy to win
They been doing this stuff for YEARS. I’ve seen it so many times
All the Jordan talk has stopped suddenly right.
exactly
How did people go from Timberwolves sweeping the Nuggets to them not having a chance against Boston Lol
Just because you match up well against one good team doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll get the same result against another
They saw the real KAT and Gobert
fickle ahh fans
Have you watched the games? Wolves came out looking for nuggets head then nuggets showed who the real killers are basically the wolves tricked us all
I mean you adjust predictions on the current events. 2-0 is justified enough for people to say sweep
Tim Legler, shows what an actual analysis should be. Breaking down the game, and why certain things are happening. Instead of Stephen A Smith, screaming: "They're done, they don't look good, they aint box office", mofo is clueless.
Stephen A is comedy
Legler needs to be a coach. Would love to see him get one of the open jobs in the league.
But you come here everyday watching
Tim and Pierce are two of the best
Love Shannon. This is your best First take's NBA panel.
Anytime you dont have SAS is the best panel. 😂
Gtfoh Shannon doesn’t know ball
@@twelve98compared to you, seems like it’s enough for everyone else to agree😢
Lemme guess nuggets fan 😂
I like Shannon for his stories. His basketball analysis sucks
These guys kill me with how much they switch up if the wolves win tonight the the MJ talk is back
Fr it's so dumb I got wolves in 7 kat needs to step up
@@ABERHOOPS AG will not let Kat step up. Not gonna happen. Ant will get his and that's it.
@@ajagulethat’s cause he be shoving kat every play
they aren't real analysts. This Barbershop Take
@@ajaguleAG not puttin the clamps on anyone. KAT handcuffs himself. Instead of trying to bang down low in the post against Gordon, KAT needs to face him up, and either drive or shoot over him.
I got so much respect for Tim ledger
Me too
When are people gonna start questioning Bostons road to the finals the way they questioned the Nuggets last year. No Giannis, no Jimmy Buckets, Embiid hurt. No Garland, then no Mitchell. Knicks banged up. Minnesota was a good team, Phoenix had an all time great, and the Lakers had 2. Y’all need that same energy if Boston makes it
The title of this video questions that very thing.
Who cares, Celtics went through the hardest path during their last finals run and the warriors cakewalked through the west and no one cared. So who cares now. I’ll take the easiest path possible if it gets me the chip.
Already did
@@austingreen1274 true ish, but they also would have Boston over Minnesota. Not reason to think if they can beat the Nuggets that they can’t beat Boston too.
@@dennisangjeli9774😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what did Boston do in the finals then being up 2-1
Now no body is talking about Wolves.
Wolves coach will probably now show a montage of these clips for inspiration lmao.
cuz zesty dude and french dude both suck in the playoffs
@@lelu4555Rudy has been fine, but you’re 💯 on KAT, he needs to play within himself. He needs to take what is givin, instead of trying to impose his will. Ant is the only one capable of that
he just need to show that montage to kat . other wolves player is fine
So it was fine when they shat on Denver after game 2 ?
@@M.L.official okay, I’m sure there are douche bag wolves fans(I doubt it) but okay there’s likely a couple… but that means it’s okay for you to be a douche yourself?🤷♂️ I’ve always tried stay even keeled. But the nuggets played like trash at home… it’s absolutely absurd not to have some comfort
Nuggets vs Boston looks a high possibility but let's see how the experienced Mavs get over OKC which looks ready
Please keep overlooking the Antman and the TimberBulls. Man... I am so ROOTING for Minnesota to pull this thing out. The NBA needs something like this. We need relatable fresh and young talent to inspire the new generation in a positive direction. This is what David Stern understood. He had vision. He knew how to market up-coming talent and put them in position to suceed. Silver just sees money and his liberal politics.
Had stern been commissioner, the Timberwolves would be either up 3-1 or it'd be a sweep as Murray would have been gone game 3.
Like why would you want a Dallas vs Denever confrence finals? That'd be a depressing and boring West finals that'd be uneventful in NBA lore. Meanwhile Shai vs The Antman would be way more hype... pull way more ratings... and have potential to be a legacy imprinting series upon NBA lore. Luka vs Jokic confrence finals? Not so much.
Also... I think we need to take a look at Joe Dumars. I have reservations about that guy. He played for the bad boy pistons... and they couldn't stand Jordan. Does he still feel that bitterness today? And if so... it's very abovious Jordan Jr. will ignite his ptsd of the real Jordan cooking the thug boys back in the day, and so he may do everything he can discreetly to shin cap the Antman.
If yall don't know... Joe Dumars Im pretty sure is the guy in charge of player discpline. So it was his call on things like if Murray would get suspended etc.
And I find it curious how Murray only got a 100K fine for something that was worthy of potentially a MULTIPLE game suspension.
Keep eyes out on Joe Dumars, he might be taking his possible Jordan animosity out on Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves.
@@user-dn3fn3bg4l ant man is just another NPC like tatum he will never win anything just like tatum🤣
OKC unfortunately would get waxed by Boston or Denver
Stop it tatum has no dog in him@@SK99900
All the match ups canceled each other out. The X factor is Coaching
Shannon actually has down to earth analysis from a professional athlete perspective when it's not about Lakers and Lebron. I like his insights on what it feels like to find yourself in a certain competitive situation as he's been through that numerous times.
Jokic reminds me of Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard I can never tell if he's happy, mad, or sad. Same facial expressions all the time.
Shaq wrote the Wolves obituary when he told Jokic he didn't deserve the MVP.
How it went from Timberwolves gonna sweep the Nuggets to Timberwolves has 0 chance to win this series... 😂
Doesn't make sense at all. I get it they're inexperienced and didn't weather the adversity well but the series is still tied and they have won two games in Denver already. We'll see how tonight goes though
They are not gonna keep beating Denver at home, that's for sure.
Denver has the roll now.A lot of it is psychological.Everything is possible tho.It's a game after all.
such High Level Analysis . Shannon / Tim Great Combo .
Everyone giving up on the Wolves all of a sudden. That’s exactly how they like it. AG not shooting perfect again and the Denver bench will not out play the Wolves bench that significantly again in this series. Wolves in 6
No chance wolves😂😂😂
Everyone also gived up on the Nuggets after being down 0-2
That's the best take
agree
Mpj had 4 points in game 4. This is a guy that can give Denver 20. You guys also didn't defend Gordon at all. Most of his buckets were baseline creep dunks. I mean do you even watch the game?
Your only valid point is the bench playing well
@@M.L.official Most of AG points were dunks in game 4??? And you’re telling me to watch the games LMAOOOO
Crazy talk. If Timberwolves win tonight everything changes. It was weird people dismissed the Nuggets after the first two games, and now they're doing it to the Wolves. And it's just not the case. Anything can happen in a game. Wolves have a very good chance! And I'm a Nuggets fan.
UNC is such breath of fresh air on Media Takes. Thank God for this.
People hate to accept it, but a healthy Celtics team is the best in the NBA. I don't see T wolves beating Boston.
Nuggets went 2-0 against the Celtics. Nuggets beat them in the finals
If I'm in the Wolves front office my goal verbally out loud is win the series, my real goal is, we're probably not going to win this series, but I want to see these guys figure something out and take it to 7
Imagine people who put a bet on Denver after game two, to be champions again, how much money they will get...
When u see these three men on first take its worth watching
The thing is Boston should still be the favorites, because they are a legit 7-10 deep. The Denver starting-5 can certainly go toe to toe with Boston, but outside of their starting rotation, their bench is still an issue with consistently putting up numbers. Losing Bruce Brown has been a missed talking point, when talking about their bench.
Thats exactly what they said about wolves
@@junioradult6219 Wolves aren't as deep as Boston. They do have 3 legit starting centers.
@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 Wolves are 8 deep. 6MOY of the year in Naz and NAW who is an all-nba type defender.
They are as deep as can be.
Denver starting 5 is better than Boston.
@@flash012234 Yep, exactly! The Denver bench are still a bit too green in some spots and old in others. I do wonder if they should've kept Cousins instead of signing DeAndre Jordan
Recency bias.... Reactive speculation is so lazy and predictable.... Once wolves win, things are gonna change with these talking heads.
The Eastern conference is weak. If Porzingis is healthy, the Celtics have a real chance. If Minnesota figures this out and wins this series, though, I’d install them as favorites.
Nuggets in 5 or 6 over Boston
😂😂😂
agreed. Nobody in Boston stopping Joker
@@Robert-cc3wr Joker alone isn’t beating Boston. And Porzingis can for sure make it difficult for Jokic - he’s got like 3 inches on him.
@@Sam-db4mr assuming he comes back, but Jokic had his way with AD and Gobert. Both better defensively than porzingis
nah it is a sweep, boston aint even getting one game lol
Boston is always the favorite. Then they fall.
Always getting ahead of ourselves, aren't we?
if KAT stops flopping around the court looking for calls and just plays calm and collective, Wolves win because he'll get you 25-30 points. i expect KAT be ready in game 5, we all know ANT will come out of energy.
Delusional pig
Everyone bandwagoning Nuggets, then Timberwolves will win now 😂. Always take the underdog 😂😂
Are you sure delusional😂😂pig I know nuggets win. A game 5 😂😂
I can Do their job with zero basket ball knowledge
i thought everyone is bandwagoning the Timberwolves
@@eldiablo4616 they were then they started losing 😂 so the script has flipped
Do you know what the word underdog means
Mavericks vs. Nuggets would be a lot of fun to watch.
Dallas vs. Timberwolves
Western Conference Finals
How come no one seems to be giving the Celtics any chance?
Ah yes the biggest Prisoners of the moment The media😂
It's clear as a day. My thoughts were whoever wins game 4 of this series would win the ring. I hope I am right
Mavs against Denver, cmon, be real, no chance they can win, no chance!!!!
Did you really put the thumbnail in Ebonics? 🤣💀
What is that, there no such thing as ebonic
@@russenterprise6502 no such thing? Google it. Today it’s referred to as “black American vernacular”.
And Stephen a said they were gonna get swept. The disrespect!
SAS is entertainment, Legs is knowledge and analysis. He’s goated just like JJ. We need to support these types of people so they are the ones shown the most. They will only change if us money signs, I mean, fans do something.
Funny how a week changes things, wolves-nuggets are in a tied series, last week wolves favourites to win it all and now they want to talk about Denver and Dallas being the best in the west.
Molly asks a question and sits until the next commercial. She has the best job in the world lol
She’s annoying asf
Where is the next MJ talk?
Cooper flagg
I mean yall act like ANT hasn’t been performing he dropped a franchise point high TWICE this series KAT needs to step tf up. Ant already denounced the MJ comparisons so don’t use it against him because the media pushin that
Didn’t MJ lose to the (defending Champion)Pistons in the conference finals, before they made the jump and swept them? Just like MJ, Ant showed out and didn’t back down. 🤷♂️
The series is not over
Family Dollar MJ
Raptors game back down 2-0 and won the next 4 games against MVP level Giannis
From a pure talent perspective, boston is the best roster in the league. their performance says otherwise so minnesota or denver would win the title depending on who wins this series
"u think u know u don't know" 👓
Okc being disrespected again, “shocking”. As I’ve said numerous times Okc has the stats that past champions have needed and they play together
Watch the wolves win in 7 😤
No go game 7 hahah
oh my godness game 7. Oh my goodness this is gonna be nail biting
I don't think any team but the nuggets can beat Minnesota. Boston is overrated the East is basically the G league compared to the Western Conference.
Edwards is going to give the answer.
We are going to see if he is the next Jordan and Bryant.
The way he talks to Murray at the last game show the mindset he has.
The Wolves are going to put more pressure on Denver in defense and Edwards needs to show he is that GUY.
Denver has a THREE HEADED MONSTER and an X factor " the joker " Jamal & Mpj and the x"" Factor is AG
I would love to see Denver and Dallas in the WCF.
Where's Stephen A?
Why does it feel like the refs help Boston every game. Sure the Cavs do foul Boston, that’s fair, but then Boston fouls Cleveland the same ways and no calls? I’m a heat fan and I saw a lot of this in the Miami series as well. Boston takes double, almost triple the amount of free throws each game. I would like the refs of the games to be officiated fairly. If Boston wins the title this year with the refs helping them the rest of the way I will not respect this ring at all. Come on NBA, your better than this.
Isn't luka still kinda injured with that knee?
They only win when Jamal Murray has a good game.
Leger, Shannon 🔥
Minnesota Timberchoke is not yet ready
They were the title favorites before the series, why would that change?
Molly knows the what it means... trust me..😂
Boston is having a cake walk to the Finals because the east is just so bad. Add the injuries to eastern playoff teams and this may be the easiest path to the Finals since the KD Warriors. That could mean one of two things. Either they come into the finals untested and not ready for real intensity and lose one of the first two games at home, or they come in healthy and rested and with a big advantage over a western team--probably the Nuggets--that has been physically pounded for over a month by a brutal western gauntlet and is running on fumes.
Indiana will give Boston trouble.
Please do not bring up the Celtics playing against butlerless heat and mitchelless cavs
Wolves on Top
Yep. The ceiling for my Knicks squad was the ECF but they will most likely not make it to there due to all of the injuries they have left. That leaves the Celtics, Pacers, Mavericks & OKC. NONE of those teams can match up against the Nuggets or the Timberwolves. So whoever wins that series is going to be your NBA Champions.
The Boston Celtics - the best team in the regular season AND in this postseason so far - can’t match up against Denver or Minnesota? Even with Porzingis back and healthy? How does that make any sense? 🤔
Guess that's why they play the games
Because how well a team does in a season has nothing to do with how well a team does in the postseason. Also, it's the Celtics. The Tatum/Brown duo will find a way to blow it as they always do.
Amen
@@LatinLegacyNY Tatum and Brown have been to the eastern conference finals 4 of the past 6 seasons and are on the verge of making it 5 out of 7. Every player, every coach, every team owner would do anything to achieve this level of playoff success!! But yeah, they always blow it. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Carmelo Anthony could never get there with Denver, I hope he's rooting for them.
Denver fans: We gotta keep the league pressured to not let MN play defense. So please write a lot of posts complaining like we think the refs are against Denver. It worked when we were down 0-2 and clearly it doesn't even need to be true to get results. So we gotta keep the league pressured to not let them play D again. We will win the series if the league keeps it like they have since we were down 0-2, with no D allowed. Guaranteed
SAS in hiding after that bad take.
Someone plz just get Shannon to say yes if the nuggets win, no if it’s the wolves. Even tho that makes no sense
Listened to the first 30 seconds and Shannon's take makes no sense. If the Nuggets are the favorite to win the finals if they go to the next round, then that means the Nuggets are better than the Celtics. Okay... if the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets, then they would be better than both the Nuggets and Celtics according to his logic.
As a nuggets fan them all picking Denver now makes me nervous. Flip flop more than a politician 🙄
I really hope the league keeps calling super tight style reffing like they have since we were down 0-2. I get that's not normal for playoffs, since playoffs have always been reffed more physical, but the league makes more $$$ from offense and open 3s, not defense. MN woulda been good in the 90s but no one got time for defense basketball it's 2024 I'm glad the league stepped in to fix that. Now we gonna win the series!
Now I’m going to pick the wolves..😂
Discounting Minnesota for losing two home games but not discounting Denver for the same thing is a little wild, Legs.
Bostons lack of playoff resistance could hurt them in the Finals.
But also, whoever comes out of the West may be beat up.
You live under the rock? they were shitting on denver like crazy after those two losses
It's different being down 0-2 and being 2-2 genius
If Denver wins this series OKC would be a better match up to take them down than the Mavs. I don't think the Mavs really stand a chance against Denver or the Timbies.
Whoever keep saying they shouldn't play Rudy they need to stop the cap... because he is in there to protect the paint and stop the lob from Jokic to Gordon and without him....
Whos gonna protect the paint and stop the Lob threat... obviously KAT and Reid isnt capable of doing neither of that
Boston can’t cover that spread next game. Too many points
Boston? They're struggling against the Cavs. The winner is from the West.
Shannon the only black guy media don't hate jokic the reason i subscribe to shannon channel ♥️♥️♥️♥️
Mavs not beating the Nuggets. They don’t know how to win the types of games you have to win. The game was winnable last night if they ran offense instead of step back 30 foot jumpers.
ESPN does us MN fans a favor if we win just shut up because you'll change your mind again.
Recency bias everywhere😅
Going to game 7
The series is just tired up.I’m still picking T. Wolves. Coach Finch will be making adjustments. If not he will be going the route of Darwin Ham!!
Jokic is showing the league that he’s the MVP even though Luka should’ve won it. I picked Denver to win in 6 games and I could be right. Never count out the 3x MVP and playoff Murray!! SAS, Perkins, Wilbon all said it was going to be sweep lmaooooo. They’re going to be mad if Denver wins. Minnesota after going up 2-0 have gotten cold. KAT is the most overrated player on the T-Wolves he’s been bad in the last 2 games. Denver beats Boston in the finals but Minnesota doesn’t beat Boston
National media is nearly useless for any kind of analysis. Legler and Windy are pretty good but it's all recency bias on these shows. After Minnesota won 2 in a row in Denver they were suddenly the title favorites. Now that Denver won 2 in a row in Minnesota they are the title favorites again. The flip flopping is insane.
The biggest deciding factors on who wins game 5 and the series is which "others" step up. Denver's bench outplayed Minnesota's bench in game 4. Combine that with a big AG game and a bad KAT game and Denver won. Minnesota needs KAT and some "others" on offense to step up, whether that's Mike, Jaden, NAW, Naz, maybe even Rudy on some lobs and put backs, whatever it is, they need the guys around Ant to make shots. If they do that they have a good chance to win. The shooting percentages for Denver on shots outside of the paint have been so high that it masks how much of an outlier that is for their offense. If that normalizes suddenly Minnesota has scored more points than Denver and wins over them.
I don't think you have any right to talk about Denvers offense being this good when:
A: this is how capable Denver are offensively
B: the wolves in the first 6 playoff games this postseason have sported a 126 offensive rating, which is by far the highest in the entire post season, higher than Boston and Denver and Dallas.
C: if anything, the wolves are playing to their ACTUAL level offensively, because they are on pace to average the same number of points as they did according to their season average.
@@M.L.official If you think AG will go 11/12 on any other game in the playoffs that aren't all dunks you are delusional. Can Denver's bench continue to play well? Certainly, but it has been a season long issue for them.
Minnesota's bench is generally regarded as better. Naz Reid didn't win 6th man of the year for nothing.
This is what I am basing my analysis off of.
@@seanmaertens8483Yea he probably won't be that efficient but MPJ has 4 points this game. This is a guy who can easily give Denver 20 points. The man only took 4 shots or something.
Your analysis is narrow sighted and discounting one of Denvers best players. And you also conveniently ignore how the wolves have over performed offensively this post season. Games 3 and 4 are how the wolves offense typically looks. This is based on a 82 game sample size.
@@M.L.official MPJ will likely make up AG's production but less efficiently. The Denver bench is a major swing factor.
Ant is a known playoff riser. He's done it every year so nothing about how he has elevated this playoffs should be surprising. He won't drop 40 every game but KAT and the rest of the starters won't all suck on offense either. That's why their offense has been so good. If they double Ant other players have usually made open shots and they have a history of doing it in the regular season and first 6 games of the playoffs. If they don't double Ant he will likely score.
It's not complicated. It's a make or miss league. Denver made a lot more shots from people with less track record last game than Minnesota. Does that hold true tonight? Odds say no, but that's why they play the games.
This black guy with glasses is the only one who didnt spit on Nuggets after 2 loses,and he is right,like always is right about moste things
Celtics are way better than the nuggets stop it 🤣🤣🤣y’all already forgot how the wolves bullied the nuggets at home ? Nuggets have two good games and all of the sudden they’re title favorites again 🤣🤣Celtics clear
Eh, way better by losing the 2 regular season games they play each other?
@@alanlim4830 kinda like how the suns swept the t wolves in the regular season ? Means nothing buddy
But Denver swept LA and gentlemen swept them in the playoffs too. Does that mean nothing? Celtics are not beating Denver lmao. They need the entire east to be crippled to make the NBA finals
Yup called it game 3 twolves had to win that or their done
Nugget in game 5.....they win they 've won the series
why Molly is still in place at ESPN? why is she not breeding?
Dallas would NOT!!!! beat Denver or Minnesota and okc would also get SQUASHED BY BOTH
Lmao Imagine taking boston over nuggets
Yes, but OKC will beat them.
Keep on disrespecting the Celtics. They have made quick work of their first 2 opponents (only 2 losses in the postseason) even though they’ve been without their star big man. The Cs will get through the ECF with ease and they WILL win the championship! 💪🏽🍀
Who on the Celtics stopping Jokic because porzingis is getting tore to shreds if you say him and bro Miami without Jimmy and the Cavs with out Dmitch game 4? Whoever come out the West beating the Celtics Mickey Mouse a** conference
celtics not beating nuggets. The east as a whole is garbage
@@Robert-cc3wr sure - the eastern conference is mostly garbage - EXCEPT for the Celtics. Boston had a 23-7 record against the western conference this season - including wins over Minnesota, OKC, and Dallas (twice).
@@Sam-db4mrthey’re not beating Denver in a 7 game series
@@daquaylenavie3740 anything is possible man!! If any team in the league can beat the Nuggets in a 7-game series, it’s a fully healthy Celtics squad
I got Boston taking it
Shannon on point as allways
They was rusty playing against the lakers refs media took alot energy that four day break help them get back focus yall calling them out everyday n than disrespect there leader woke them up thx to sas shaq Barkley gilbert etc than u get Barkley in his feeling last night
5:57 what the hell is Shannon saying????? 🤦🏽♂️
Started off disapproving what Anaman said, then ended up saying the same thing… “that’s when I knew…” Man you too muscular to be spinning like this.. stop it
Brian Windbag just wants Denver to lose because they beat up on his cash cow Lebron.
Hahahahah 😂😂😂😂😂
the diference has been Gordon hitting 3s ..is not happening today...
If it’s not Gordon it’s MPJ and KCP. That’s what makes the nuggets so good, balance. If one player is off, another player often steps up
Pundits were saying the same thing but about mpj, how did he do game 4
Gordon mostly had dunks. Watch the game you dork
Like I said, tonight it was KCP. When will people learn?
I'm here only because of Molly.