How To Setup Chinese AC Servo Motor 80ST-M02430 - Step/Dir Position and Analog Speed Control Modes
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- I performed some tests on a chinese aliexpress 80ST-M02430 2.39Nm 0.75kW 220V (230V) servo motor. It can be used for a CNC axis drive but also for spindle driving by its speed control mode controled by its analog input -/+ 10V. For CNC axis will be used the positioning step/dir mode like the ones in open loop and closed loop stepper motors. I didn't test the dynamics of this servo, but you can check out other videos on youtube where people do much harder tests on it and it performs very well.
I did just some testing here after opening the package so don't stick to it too much - but it just worked as the manufacturer says. For more accurate info check out the manufacturer manual. It can be also controled by modbus communication, but I'm not able to do it at this moment.
Thank you for watching, if you have any questions - leave a comment, maybe i'll be able to help you.
Music: Glacier - Patrick Patrikios
00:00 Presentation of used parts
00:53 Wiring
03:22 Step/Dir setup
06:10 Analog +/- 10V setup
07:10 Outro
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Thank you. A great video guide for me on setting it for step-dir mode.
it ain't much but it's honest work 😁 I'm glad it helped.
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Here's the video:
czcams.com/video/gys4SPeFS6U/video.html
I get it working. Thanks once again.
Is there a way to enable the drive only when it is not at idle status? I mean I'll use it as spindle motor on my CNC lathe. Currently the servo is always enabled and (engaged). I'd like to have it disabled when no program is running. So what I need is simply a soft enable.
Thanks for your swift and helpful reply. I'm setting up mine in analogue mode 0-10V & no reverse. The lathe has a screw on chuck, so reverse is disastrous! I tried Step & Dir on spindle, I could get it working as an axis drive, but couldn't work out how to configure it with mach3 turn & pokeys57 for a spindle. Feedback from pokeys "Unfortunately, PoKeys devices do not support step/direction controlled spindle motors. You can still connect the spindle motor as the A axis" . Once I got that news, it was a bit of a deal breaker with the pokeys board. and will be looking for something else in the future. So, I switched plans and set up as analogue 0-10V for now. It is working, but, as yet haven't got the encoder feedback sorted. The manual recons it needs 5v+ using pins OZ & ground - if I'm reading it correctly. I wired it directly to the pokeys fast encoder and nothing's working yet.
This video is very good, it helped me a lot. Thanks!
You're welcome :)
Sehr gutes Video 👍
Man! What an interested video, exactly what I needed.
What tuning program are you using on your laptop?
New subscriber here, thanks very much!!!
I am glad the video helped! I didn't do any tuning of my servo motor on my laptop - just set the proper parameters on the driver. For sending signals I usually use MACH3 CNC software but you can also use PLC hardware / software etc. If you mean the signal measuring software - it's the software from a instrustar oscilloscope.
These are nice servos, I set mine to work with 110v in USA workshop... 😉
Was it a 220v driver?
Nice, how did you manage to do that?
Thanks Bro. You helped me.
I'm glad I could help :)
Hi, which software are you using?
Thanks for the video. I am curious whether you needed to connect the PV open collector input power pin, and the voltage/ground pins 9&10?
From your spec sheet you provided the pulses are working at 5V?
Yes - the pulse is working at 5V. I didn't connect the pins 9/10 as I wasn't using the DC control line in the driver.
GBWM - Welding Machining CNC Thanks. This advice has been useful. I haven’t had success but I’ll keep experimenting and reading the manual. I find it fairly confusing. I’m just using the arduino for tests. If my wiring is right then I guess it could be the pulses or function parameter settings, I’ll keep testing
@@MarsMoonEuropa fingers crossed :D
amigo bom dia estou com um servo drive desse mais nao esta ascendendo o dispay tinha uma peça queimada fechou curto circuito fica piscando um led na placa eletronica sera que tem mais componentes em curto?
how did you wire the controller end? step&dir + out1/2 and both step dir- to gnd?
For analog 0-10V control, does it requires a separate power source to enable/disable the motor? Also when the control voltage is at 0v, does it allow you to rotate the motor shaft manually? I bought the same driver/motor a couple of years ago, played with it a bit using the built-in LED panel but couldn't figure out how to disable the braking feature so that it works like a regular motor - ie, allow you to rotate the shaft freely when it's not running and spin down slowly when you stop it instead of doing a hard brake. I just bought a -+0-10V generator, but wanted to know first before I try it.
Also do you have links to the English PDF manual as mine came with a Chinese manual. Thanks
I've got no possibility to check now. I think there is a enable pin in the driver which allows you to "disable" the motor - then you can freely rotate the shaft with hand. I've got the English manual but i'll be able send it you within couple of days when i get access to my PC. Give me your e-mail if you need it still
@@GBWM_CNC You have a manual in English?! The one I was sent has Chinese for quite a lot of the essential details, especially regarding wiring. It's a very tense time for me getting this expensive servo moving...!!😬
Gute Info! habe aber noch 2 Fragen: 1) Konnte die max. Geschwindigkeit über die Nenndrehzahl (3000 1/min) hinaus erhöht werden und wenn ja, wie weit? 2) mit welchem tool wurde die Analyse am Laptop gemacht? Das wäre auch was für mich. Gibt es einen Link?
Ich habe nicht versucht zu schieben ist weiter als 3000 U / min. Das Analysegerät war ein USB-Oszilloskop ISDS205A - Sie können es bei Aliexpress kaufen - sehr nützlich für seinen Preis :)
Thanks for the video!
What program did you use to program this servo motor? could you provide a link, thanks Luis
I was driving it with step/dir signal which can be generated for example from mach3 and analog signal which can be generated from a simply voltage divider with potentiometer. The parameters were set directly on the servo drive.
@@GBWM_CNC thanks.
nice video there do you have a way of troubleshooting to know whether the driver receives pulse or not?
You could try using an oscilloscope like me to check if there is pulse signal on the input
Thanks for sharing this video! I'm trying to make up my mind on whether to go for hybrid steppers or AC servos to upgrade my CNC. The second choice scares me a bit as I am not sure I'll be able to set them up correctly.
I've a question on AC servos that maybe someone could address, do they always draw the nominal power (e.g.750w) even when they are stationary or move with little load or the current drawn increases with load? As the electricity cost is rising everyday in not sure if hybrid steppers would be more efficient energy-wise.
You're welcome!
AC serwos as well as other motors draw the more current the bigger the load is (so these need more torque to maintain the speed). So yes - the current drawn increases with the load. I'm actually adding these motors to my milling machine and I will share some details about the configurations to use these with an actual machine - not just on the desktop :)
Also - my choice is the ac servos as these seem not to bee so expensive if you consider that you need to buy a power supply for each hybrid stepper. These can be power supplied with 230V or 400V (depending on the model).
@@GBWM_CNC thanks for your response, I'll be looking forward to see the progress on your project. I made up my mind and will place an order for these servos, hopefully I'll be able to set them up correctly within a few months in my spare time. Thanks again and keep up the good work
I just received mine, 2.6kW for a spindle.. now its a task to figure out how to hook that up to my MESA 7i96 board :)
If there is a 0-10V output - there should be no problem 😁
Thank you for the video.
Does this driver also support the speed output? Speed index?
I want to plug it into the controller so I can see the real revs on my screen.
Thank you.
There is something called "Encoder signal output" in the manual. I personally did not use this function but I could send you the user manual so you could check it out yourself. I think it should be possible to get the rpm out of this 😁
i have the manual, and i am trying to hook it up to the centroid acorn encoder and I have everything figured out except where to hook up the 5+VDC from the acorn to the driver, does anyone know where to hook it up on the driver?
@@BondmeJesus I am doing the same thing now to a pokeys57 cnc board. The manual is a bit vague. Did you have any luck?
@@patrickneal8691 its the best thing ever, I got another 1.8kw servo for my g0602 and I got it tuned so perfectly for rigid tapping I tap nice and slow only at 200 rpm, other motors dont have enough torque to do that so they have to hit it at 600rpm to keep from stalling out. I use peck tapping/deep hole tapping on everything just because I like it, like on a 1-20 I tap .1/2 rotations, then back out. if I were you, I would get out of that pokeys, they have a glitch on the m04 relay that arturo couldnt fix because pokeys is the prob. I went through 2 m16 boards and spent 2 years going crazy trying to get it going for rigid tapping, and mach 4 has soo many issues, i spent 10 years with mach 4, I've had 2 pokeys 57e boards, and nothing but problems. I love the acorn, its expensive though for mill pro software, and lathe pro software, and 2 acorn boards, but it's the best ive used, and everything works really well, ive had absolutely no problems, and it's easy and simple to learn. I wish I had started out with acorn, but i sure learned a lot going with pokeys 57e/smoothstepper/m16d, and now acorn; over the last 10 years. i like acorn because they make the board, and the software. its industrial quality. ive thrown away twice the cost of 2 acorn setups fooling around with everything else, and it almost made me hate cnc altogether because of bad experiences. if you want to know my settings for the 1.8kw then I can share it with you. I don't do public videos. im using a signal isolator to overcome the floating ground issue on the driver for the1.8kw motor, and running it with analog 0-10v positive for CW and polarity reverse for CCW rotation. and I use 4 relays opto isolated to reverse polarity on the 0-10v analog, and those 4 relays are controlled by one of the relays on the acorn, and when the relay is off; then the 4 relays send NO polarity, but when the relay comes on, then all 4 relays open, and close normal polarity, and open reverse polarity, and before it goes through the relays, it goes through a kbmm or kb something or other, cant remember off hand. get it on ebay for $45 each, otherwise you pay $200 each. signal isolator so that the floating ground is not an issue. are you using your servo with step and dir, or 0-10 analog? have a good one, and message me if you need help.
@@patrickneal8691 as far as the encoder YES its easy once you know how it works, let me know if you need my info. the encoder supplies its own power so all you need to hook up is the A,B, and so forth, I have to look at my info to remember the exacts.
Buenas, gracias por el vídeo. ¿Qué breakout board utilizas? Tengo la 5axis bob china y me estoy volviendo loco.. Sabes si es posible hacer po ejemplo, un movimiento m3 s1000, m5, y luego un C90 g0 para el mismo motor ? o algo similar, con linuxcnc. Como? muy agradecido! de veras.
En el video no estoy usando un CNC BOB sino un PLC para el servocontrol. No utilicé el cambio de modo, así que no puedo ayudarlo, pero hay algo en el manual llamado "Cmode" que debería permitirle cambiar el modo de control configurando el parámetro PN002 en 3 (modo de posición / velocidad). Con suerte, habrá algo sobre eso en el servo manual.
I have a question of programming that servo motor.
I would like to use "Position control（external pulse）setting
flow chart".
Additionaly i want on start that it rotates and find end-switch.
So flowchart i want is like that:
1. POWER ON,
2. Rotate till end-switch is not found,
3. Hold position,
4. When START switch is pressed rotate for X times.
5. Hold position when destination is reached
So i would use 2 inputs on driver and 1 output.
INPUT 1 - end switch,
INPUT 2 - start switch,
OUTPUT 1 - pulse for destination is reached.
Could be this done?
If you could help me i would be more than thankful!
I think this could be done with a S7-1200 PLC which has the function called "motion control" - I'm not sure if this could be done without it. You could feed the PLC with the inputs/outputs and generate the external pulse for the servo driver to perform the motion you need.
Question, did you use 2 110v phases in order to make it work?
I didn't try. Where I live I have only 230V phases.
Do you need a PLC for running that Servo or only the program on your computer?
you need something that can control it - a simple pulse generator or adjustable voltage supply if you don't care for exact positioning or a PLC, Arduino or CNC controller if you're interested in some kind of more accurate postioning
buen video
Gracias 😁
ciekawią mnie te chińskie tanie napędy. Miałeś jakieś przygody z cłem zamawiając z Ali? Zamontowałeś już gdzieś to serwo? Jak się sprawuje - jakieś filmy masz? Pozdrówka i dzięki za materiał.
Jak chodzi o opłaty celne to płaciłem bodajże nie tyle cło co podatek i było to jakieś chyba dodatkowe około 20% ceny (napędu i przesyłki). Serwa jeszcze nie montowałem - było kupione tylko na razie na próbę. W tym momencie pracuję nad tokarką CNC, z której budowy planuję wrzucać jakieś materiały tutaj na kanał (osie będą napędzane silnikami krokowymi prawdopodobnie). Być może jak przyjdzie czas na budowę frezarki do metalu to wezmę pod uwagę te serwa do napędu osi, bo mają ogromną przewagę nad silnikami krokowymi tym, że moment obrotowy jest w całym zakresie stały i nie spada wraz ze wzrostem prędkości obrotowej jak to jest w silnikach krokowych. Pozdro! ;)
@@GBWM_CNC po roku kontynuuję:D jak się sprawuje ten napęd? w opisie widziałem, że "encoder 2500 lines" - czy to w kwadraturze, czy w kwadraturze jest 10000 na obrót? Trochę droższe są te serwa z JMC, gdzie są enkodery absolutne 20 bitowe i tak się właśnie zastanawiam co wziąć do zabawy.
@@The_Unobtainium Powiem tak, właśnie jestem w trakcie projektu przeróbki frezarki FUS 200 na CNC i będę te serwa w niej instalował (dokupiłem dwie sztuki jeszcze ostatnio) więc za niedługo wrzucę jakieś filmiki jak się sprawują w takiej konstrukcji. Co do enkodera to nie jestem w stanie odpowiedzieć czy to jest w kwadraturze czy też nie. Słyszałem bardzo dobre opinie i serwach JMC i są też materiały tutaj na CZcams na ich temat gdzie z powodzeniem ich używają inni. Brałem je też pod uwagę do mojego projektu, jednak przeważył fakt, że wymagają jeszcze dodatkowo też zewnętrznego zasilania, co jest kolejnym kosztem, który trzeba wziąć pod uwagę przez co te serwa z tego filmiku które tutaj testowałem wydają się być dosyć tanie w stosunku do tego co oferują. Praktycznie są niewiele droższe od silników serwo-krokowych (hybrydowych). Za niedługo będę w stanie coś więcej na ich temat powiedzieć po przeprowadzeniu testów praktycznych 😁
@@GBWM_CNC Dzięki za odpowiedź. Z niecierpliwością czekam na dalsze testy i filmy. Odnośnie JMC nie chodziło mi o zerwa zintegrowany (seria iHSV-57...) tylko o zestawy serwo AC z enkoderem 20B, okablowanie i serwowzmaczniacz zasilany z 230VAC. Te zintegrowane iHSV kupiłem dla ekperymentów i są całkiem przyzwoite. Ale kupowałem je z 3-4 lata temu i dużo taniej niż są dostępne teraz. Zasilanie z zasilacza serwerowego 60V/30A.
Jeszcze ważne info - jaki dokładnie model serwowzmacniacza masz? A1SVD czy AASD? Tutaj ciekawa rozmowa (niemiecki) na ich temat:
forum.virtualracing.org/threads/ac-servo-controller-a1-svd15-vs-aasd15.124543/
I have the same servo in a Chinese plotter when I move the y axis, the left one moves immediately when the right side has a small delay. The second question, should this servo hold the brake when the machine is turned on? I mean can I turn the motor over with the power on?
In step/dir mode you shouldn't be able to move the shaft if there are no signals being send to the driver. Also my motor doesn't have a brake - it just holds by itself. About the delay - I have no clue what could be the reason
Hi, your videos already helped me alot. Thanks for that.
I have the same 750w servo and use it as spindle drive for my diy router with mach3 and one of these chinese 5 Axis breakout boards with parallel port. Right now i use it with PWM.
It works good for now, even though the rev is not accurate. If i set 200 rpm, i get like 240. But thats not my real problem.
Actually I would like to use it for rigid tapping too, but i can't really figure out how.
What i understood so far, is that i need to use step/dir and some relays for negative voltage.
But i really don't know how and which one's. When i set step/dir, i only heard a clicking noise of the drive, but no moving. I couldn't even set this successfully.
Could you give me a short instruction how to do this? I would be really glad if you could give me some help on that.
Thanks in advance
Personally I tried using threading with mach3 and I wasn't succesfull with it. I tried it on my lathe. Actually threading needs an encoder on the spindle which counts the exact RPM of the spindle and adjust the feed speed on the axis doing the feed movement during the threading operation. Mach3 uses only index signals for threading which is not the best in my opinion. LinuxCNC is capable of using spindle encoders and it works quite well on my CNC lathe so it should be good on a router as well - maybe it would be worth trying. For this method you don't need step/dir. It uses just forward / reverse direction of the spindle and like I said - it adjusts the feed to the rotational speed of the spindle. I made some videos on my channel on the topic of threading on LinuxCNC (it works with the cheap parallel port 5 axis breakout boards).
@@GBWM_CNC
Well maybe it's worth the time to try out LinuxCNC. I will consider this after i did some research on the topic. I will also check out your videos. Thank you for your help on this matter
@@TD-qg4rv At the begining LinuxCNC seems to be coarse but it's worth trying in my opinion 😄
Good afternoon. Is it possible to somehow read and upload drive parameters into it from a computer? And what program should I use?
Honestly I don't think it is possible, but you'd have to check the manual if it is. But I didn't see anywhere any info about that.
Can you provide the connection information (and parameter settings) for +/- 10 VDC operation?
Check 6:10 in this video. There are all crucial informations I think
Hey, thanks for your video. My AC Servo Motor 80ST-M02430 is always in rotating state. Once I turn on the machine, the servo motor start rotating by itself. How do I fix that? Thanks
Hi! What kind of input control command are you using?
I've been trying to figure out how to use the braking resistor. No mater which PN registers I set, I can't get any current through the external braking resistor. I've been testing by driving the motor shaft externally to see where the power goes. Can you help?
Sadly i have not used any breaking resistor for now so I cant tell you at this moment.
The brake resistor is only in that case, you spin heavy weight with big inertia, and stop fast. so the servo works as an gernerator. the voltage can go higher than the originate voltage, so the resistor deals with the power. if you have an spindlescrew, you have not enough inertia to go into problems. using as an circular saw with 400mm dia and 3000 rpm, you shoud use the resistors, when power off, or emergency stop or full break. that can easily get voltages above 1000 volts. in best cases your controller will be grilled, even burn. think if it can be more worse, it comes along.
I love the way that showing the stuff. Can I use this motor for automated car was Rotate Arm and how can I turn 180,90 and 360 degrees.
Can you please tell me what software are you using and what are things I need to test like you at home. Thanks
Thank you!
Could you explain for what you need this motor? You can easily control its position in positioning mode 90/180/360 degree without any problem.
For controlling you can use an arduino / plc / cnc controller (for example rnr board for PC-usb controll) depending on what are your needs. Controlling it is quite similar to standard stepper motors.
@@GBWM_CNC kindly check this link and there are two servo motor used. I need the help to select the two servo motor to move the carwash Arm back and forward. Thanks
www.leisuwash.com/product/leisuwash-360-automatic-car-wash-system-touchless/
@@vannansaravanabavan3179 You're going to to make such system yourself? Usually in automatic systems are used PLCs for example siemens s7-1200 which should easilly handle the controll of such servos by step/dir mode (it has to be DC transistor outputs version for the proper output frequency and voltage. There is a function called motion controll which could be used here. This servo I'm showing here is 0.75kW 3000rpm so depending on the rpm you need it should be suitable and it can be controlled by such a PLC.
@@GBWM_CNC yes, I am try to make. Let me find out some information with your answer and thank for your help.can I have your email please. If possible? Thanks
@@vannansaravanabavan3179 Sure, it is: gbemblaze @ gmail.com
Why don't you used normal cable end, like on the motor (U - shape)?
To be honest - I didn't have at home any back then and those on the motor cable were included by the manufacturer already. I made this video just for fast test purposes, so i used what I had home :)
thank you for this video. I have bought the exact same Servo, but I don't know how to power it. Did you simply cut a 220V plug and lead off another appliance, and wire it to this, plugging it into your household outlet? Is that the normal way to power it? Thanks so much.
Yeah, i did it for test purposes just like that - I had a spare plug and I connected it like on the video to my 230V 50hz 1 phase power outlet at home. It worked as shown on the video. :)
do servo motors have the same torque at low speeds as a stepper motor?
Yes, the torque chart is constant at the at the range 0-3000 rpm
Did you wire 5v power supply to pulse+and dir+ with chain and pulse- and dir - to BOB just like the ordinary stepper motor? Thanks
Exactly. Just as you see on 3:26 like a usual stepper motor.
@@GBWM_CNC Hi I connected Two Stepper Motors for axis and used P3 at BOB. For AC servo spindle connection where shall i take ? Your support will be highly appreciated.
@@PenHousein I made a video how to connect such servo in velocity mode as spindle on this BOB. Check out on my channel. Hopefully it will help.
@@GBWM_CNC Hi, there also i asked some question. Firstly i did the same connection, but my spindle is always running, whenever i switch on my Servo motor. I took a video and would like to share the video link personally, so could u please provide me your email id. thanks in advance
@@GBWM_CNC Hello there!I have the same motor-driver and I want to set it up with Pokeys57cnc.Can I connect Dir- Pulse- to Pokeys ground and Dir+ Pulse+ to Pokeys Dir Pulse?The opposite from what Dominik states above?
Hi,
I run my drive on 110v in speed mode and it only reaches 2000rpm instead of the max of 3000. (even when using jog mode so not an issue with external voltage)
I set all parameters as described in the video. Any idea why it won't reach max rpm of 3000?
pn2: 1 speed mode
pn158: 300 (should give 3000 rpm at 10V input)
pn168: 0 (ext. analog voltage)
What motor model do you have? Maybe you have an 2000rpm motor?
I have an 80st-M04025 which has a rated max rpm of 2500.
@@robertschwarz1795 Check Pn177. This is the parameter for jog speed. Are you able to change the jog speed there to more than 2000?
Did you set Pn001 to 6? (it's your motor code)
Pn020 is for rated speed of motor - should be set to 2500 for you.
Let me know if any of this help
Sir, how do you configure for both position and velocity mode? How do you output the position command and change to velocity in your gcode? Example in velocity mode, you use M3 or M4 followed by S2500 for 2500 rpm. Then how do you switch to position mode and send command say A270 F200 for 270 degrees and feed rate 200 respectively. How does you controller able to switch between the modes ? I presume the servo only uses step/direction pulses and no others.
That's a complex question. I didn't configure this motor to be used for a rotary axis and spindle at the same time. It can be used in velocity mode controlled by +/-10V and position mode by step/dir but I didn't test it with both-configuration. Would have to do some research.
@@GBWM_CNC noted sir, if you do atempt to configure please create a video. If i do i will share the results in my video. I am almost done with my cnc mini lathe. I will share some videos soon. Thank you again. Have a great day
@@rengankrishnaiyer6912 Sure! I will check out your build too. Have a great day!
@@GBWM_CNC Hi there; thanks for the video, it's been a great help! Weighing in as a complete newbie here, Pn002 setting 3 is Position/speed mode. I'm hoping this will do the job of using the servo for a combination of positional and spindle. I'm hoping to use my 1.5kw servo for a Swiss/mill turn lathe build, and will need to switch between positional for milling, and speed for turning. Yoinks...!😬
Your video helped me get the servo moving for the first time, which I'm very pleased about! I've only managed this by changing Pn003 to 1, which sets the servo spinning on its own, then supplying voltage to pin 13+25 to add some speed. Not exactly useable, but did assure me the servo is working!👍😊
@@GBWM_CNC it can be done with a vba script if wired into an axis you can use a macro to use desired axis as spindle
Hello, what is that software you are using to test the servo. It's coming with the pack
Do you mean the software for measuring on the laptop? It's the software of my USB oscilloscope
@@GBWM_CNC oh OK thanks a lot
Thank you for the video!
I'm planning to build a big cnc with the 1kw version on the Y axis.
How well it holds the steps under stress?
To be honest i didnt test it under stress for now. But I am quite sure that 1kW ac servo is a very powerfull drive for an axis motor. What kind of mill are you planning on and for which kind of material?
@@GBWM_CNC I'm planning to build a huge router (2.2m x 3.5m usable field, with the 4th axix at the end of the Y axis)
to cut primarily wood plates( i don't know the correct translate 2700x2050 furniture plates) for kitchens, but I want it to cut brass and aluminium easily. Maybe a little steel too, but that is secondary.
The frame will be thick steel (except Z axis) like the ShopSabre ones.
The X axis will be around 150 kg with the Z axis. Planning to use the ShopSabre's technique for anti-backlash with the rotated ball screw sollution. ( 2x1kw Y motors) The gear ratio will be 1 cycle / cm for the motors. So the axis's speed can be around 42 cm / sec. The resolution for the motors that way is around 0.002mm.
( By the way, i'm not a "do it" person, I'm a 3d graphic artist... a simple hammer looks awful in my hands :D so this is the biggest project of my life so far :D )
@@Bodni Sounds great! I think 2x1kW servos for 1 axis is a lot of power. Necessarily the mill has to be mounted well on the geometrical side so there is no resistance on the guides of the axis which is the biggest problem in my opinion. Also on cutting metals the mill has to be rigid (especially for steel). It's hard to make a wood/steel mill as usually wood needs a lot of rpm on the spindle while steel needs lot of torque when cutting. Also when you want to use ballscrews for such long axis you have to consider ballscrew whip phenomenon.
At this moment I made just one cnc mill (you can see on other video) for wood cutting and it performs quite well but when it comes to big routers - I didn't make any for now so I can't give you much hints. My next project will be a mini CNC lathe for steel so hopefully i will learn more about the CNC stuff as I really enjoy it. I wish you best luck and I hope you will share your machine later!
@@GBWM_CNC Sounds cool!
I'm planning to record all the pre-work and the actual work with the cnc build (from the finished plan, using camera tracking on the empty place to see how it will be looking, ect :) Basically start a youtube series. I learned a lot from here, and I vant to give something back. And on the other hand it is basically free self-advertise.
(all my savings will go to this machine, so I will better document ewerything :D )
About the Ballscrew whip: I found an elegant sollution: The ballscrew is stationary, and the ball nut is spinning by the motors. That way there are no whip, and the ballscrew's innertia force is basically non existent. ( will be a bit tricky to build it tho' ) that way I can use a 4m long ballscrew with a thinner (cheaper) diameter. the trick is using 2 ballnuts for zero backlash, or a preloaded one.
I'm now at the planning phase, I'm re-modelling now i think the 4th time, cause I'll daily learning something important about the subject. And cause all my savings going to this project I want to be thorough with everything.
Wish you too the best! Keep up the good work! :)
@@Bodni 1KW servo motor gives you 4NM continuous torque and 12NM peak. With a 5mm pitch ball screw you get between 5KN to 15KN force. If you have 100KG mass to move (Z axis assembly for instance) it can do it at 5G to 15G. At 3000RPM you get 200mm/sec and it will accelerate in 2ms (0.2m/sec divided by 50m/sec/sec). Plenty of power. I have a 750W on my mill and the head assembly with motor, spindle and housing is 85Kg. Moves it like is nobodies business
Спасибо!
Пожалуйста мой друг.
man, was that for lathe? im thinking which one i should buy as my custom made lathe... im thinking about 2.2kw one... is it strong enough?
I did use these servos for my CNC milling machine (can be seen on my channel). Depends what you want to drive. For axis - that's a lot of power. For a spindle - depends on how big, stiff is your lathe (and many other things)
@@GBWM_CNC is there any way i can contact you like discord or something? i would like to share my design with you and get your opinions, because i'm still in the proces of finalizing the design before i purchase everything, i would just like to ask you a few questions not much
Hi there! great video but i still have a question. For manual speed control do you need like a 10k potentiometer or a pwn of sort's ?
Depends if you need smooth regulation. If you need just some speeds like 200, 500 and 2800 rpm then you can use internal speed commands and pop them up by using input command signals. If you need smooth regulation then you will need some kind of voltage source for example using an potentiometer (I used a voltage divider made with a potentiometer).
@@GBWM_CNC Alright thank you! i was able to make it spin from the internal commands. but that is so slow to do every time
@@niksechtniks So the potentioneter 0-10v signal generator might be what you need :)
how to fixed Er.136 on inovance servo drive ?
Please reply me how to I handle this setting
Could you please tell me what is the connection to the PC from the drive? Is there an example software how to control the servo from a computer? Thanks!
You can control such servo with cnc boards using mach3 for example. Or arduino with grbl.
@@GBWM_CNC do I need an additional shield or the Arduino can be connected to the servo drive?
@@TiborKoroknai i think it is possible to control it without additional shield. Depends what you need. I have no experience in arduino but from what i know there are available in the internet simple programs to control servos / steppers.
any aasd driver setting needed? I set your setting and pin connection.I check the analog voltage is working but motor is not working.
On the video I mentioned all the settings I changed and it worked like on the video. If you did all the same way - it should work
@@GBWM_CNC one more thing do you know any factory reset button or software reset for aasd driver?
@@user-iz7up9ku3t Check the Fn004 in the manual. There is something about returning parameters pn000-pn280 to the factory value.
Do you have the link to the manual?
Yes. Write to me via facebook page if you need.
La alimentación es a una línea de 127v me puedes ayudar con la configuración de mi servomdrive me marca una alarma al-02 y gracias por tus videos
¿No debería este servo ser alimentado por 220V / 380V? Su alarma significa del manual: "Una alarma que ocurre cuando el voltaje del bus de CC está por debajo de 200 V cuando la alarma de bajo voltaje no está encendida".
so im trying to install mine now.. so for position mode you just need the 4 pins correct no gnd or 0-10v
Useful video , Do you have that AC Servo driver manual ? Pls sent to me
Type in google "aasd series manual" - there are some pdf for this servo driver series
buenas, tengo un servo de alterna y necesito saber como contectarlo y programarlo a mi placa de arduino, me podrias ayudar?
¿Está utilizando GRBL? Si es así, el video muestra dónde conectar la señal STEP / DIR, también utilizada en GBRL.
Hi, I have the 80ST-M02430(220V). It is running slow and in the wrong direction. Please help us.
What method of control do you use?
Does a single phase servo motor work without a capacitor and without future problems??
Yes
for ac servos a VFD is used which basically takes in one voltage and frequency and turns them into a dc current then it inverts them to a range of frequencies/voltages(also ading a phase in the whole inverter part). for example (230V/50Hz) single phase ac-> (323v) dc-> (100-580V/0-200Hz) three phase ac.
Hey your video is very helpful.. But How to set the minimum pwm voltage
Could you explain what do you mean?
My motor keep running when it should be stop, and i think its because my pwm voltage when its stop still 0.2 v, i want to make it stop if the pwm under 0.2, so my motor wont keep running if the pwm is under 0.2 v, is it possible?
Or at least.. How to stop servo , and make sure it is zero speed
@@shwanzery657 Check Pn164 and Pn165 in servo manual. There is a function called "zero clamp" which I think refers to shaft zero speed holding. If I get it right (I have no possibility to check it now) I think you should do Pn164 to 1 - this should activate Pn165 command. And the Pn165 command sets the value of speed (rpm) below which the motor should stop to 0. So if you set this command to 6rpm - the motor will stop when you set your rpm by your voltage below 6rpm. That's how I think it should work. Also there is a ZeroLocK function when you put Pn164 to 0 and send voltage to one of the SigIn ports but I can't find any information how to set one of the sigIn ports to ZeroLocK function. I hope this helps
You can also use SigIn1 for servo enable / disable if you dont need to clamp the motor in position.
Please I need your help, I sucessfully run the motor spining, I did exacltly the same as you did, but when I want to change the direction to CCW it doesnt work, the motor just stops, I tried do it manually setting Pn097 wich is for enable CCW and CW rotation but bothe of them only rotate in one direction, please someone help :(((
Honestly I didn't run in such issue. I used already 3 of these motors and drives and all of those work fine with this configuration so i'm not sure what could cause such problem :/
Hi, have you check why or resolve the whistle sound when the driver is enable?
To be honest I have no idea. When I put the servo in enable mode - there is always this sound. I saw also other videos on CZcams with similar servos and they also had this sound. But it isnt so loud in real as on video.
@@GBWM_CNC Thanks, i just hope is not something bad after all or some type of countdown to destruction :).
@@redem.greece me too 😅
It's the sound of PWM
@@DPTech_workroom Anyway to stop it? But does it and when is in position mode only, somewhere i see that is ground interference but not test yet. For now i struggle with functions..
Can help turn on servo drive pin, in technical data, I see need swich terminal 9 and 6,but I see in your video, never show it
Can you explain? Sorry for the late response
@@GBWM_CNC tanks, in manual book, I read, to active CW is swich pin 9 and 6,and , I see in your video pin 9 and 6 not connect to the controller boad,
hi,
i have same chine servo as yours and i setup with analog speed control and its working the only problem is when the drive is on the motor turn even the 0-10 volt is not yet introduce. is there any parameters that i can edit.
thank you
Rex
You mean if the input voltage = 0V the motor is turning?
@@GBWM_CNC yes, there is no connection yet for pin 13 and pin 25. i if put 0-10 volt to pin 13 and pin 25 works fine... but if you put the voltage in 0v the motors still turning
@@ikecobey6268 Checkout this video: czcams.com/video/x6Pp3G4Ia9c/video.html at 5:15 - There is a parameter which stops the motor if the voltage sets the motor below a specific rotational speed. For example on that video i show how to stop the motor if the voltage is on the level of 50rpm (about 0,16V or less which could be also affected by noises). You can play with this and I think it should help you out.
@@GBWM_CNC i just done this PN164=1 and PN165=50 but same still turning.
@@ikecobey6268 So you mean with supplied voltage it runs fine on the whole rotational speed range and without connecting the voltage it runs all the time even with the clamping parameter? What speed does it achieve without the voltage supplied? This is pretty wierd I think
Can I set Pn158 (relation between analog voltage and rpm) to 600 and use an Arduino (0-5V) to control the speed?
I didn't try that. It should work but if you input more than 5V then the motor would want to turn at higher speed than the nominal speed. I can't tell you as I didn't try.
@@GBWM_CNC OK so I got the step/dirpart figured out with a Mach3 board. But I haven't figured out how to use the analog voltage. I think it should be the AVI and ACM pin but there's no voltage difference between them
@@AlexIstEinGott Which mach3 board are you using?
@@GBWM_CNC it is labeled BSMCEO4U-PP
@@AlexIstEinGott I've had that one. You have to supply 10V to the 10V pin (between the 10V and ACM) and then you will get 0-10V between ACM and AVI.
ORSA series AC servo , how to turn it more than 7,it didn't work on the motherboard! If you have parameters I appreciate you ❤
No idea here.
Is it possible to control this with an Arduino? Best regards.
sure! step/dir is not a problem for arduino
@@GBWM_CNC could you please explain a bit how you could control it from an Arduino? Does this drive have 5v logic input?
hi when i setup my assd15 to the speed control function u did.. nothing hapend... dont understand the problem... do i need only wire pin 13 and pin 25 or do i need more wiring????
thanks!
And of course the power input (in my case 1phase 230V, the output to the motor U V W and the encoder cable). The control should be done through pin 13 and 25.
@@GBWM_CNC is your spindle enabel via pn003=1??
@@alexandernoname1391 Honestly I don't remember but I think pn003 should be 1.
ok found the failure ;)
but... the spindle ist licked when 0rpm. you cant turn the spindle. is this right? do you know how to change?
thanks
@@alexandernoname1391 You mean you're not able to turn it when it's 0rpm? This is how it should work I guess. Maybe you will be able to turn it off with some kind of external command. Check the manual - there are digital inputs for some commands - i think there should be a command to turn the motor off. Or some kind of parameter which turns it off below a certain rpm.
Hi grettings from México
Do You know how does it wire at mach3 by the way of pulse/direction mode for use it has servo spindle
Hope could You help me
Thanks
Sadly I didn't use such a setup yet. Sorry
Ok tank You
I was loking for it but can't find some thing
Hola mario, pudiste conectarlo? Como se conecta el driver 220 v en mexico?
@@HierroSonRentas si pero es necesario tener una tarjeta de control que tenga de salida lo que requiere el servodriver por ejemplo yo necesito mínimo una tarjeta que me dé de salida mínimo 300 htz
@@MarioGarcia-yd5yj oh ok, muchas gracias, pero me refiero a la alimentación del driver, pues yo solo cuento con 110v y esa pide 220v
Hi why does a motor servo run only in opposite directions?
It depends what kind of control signal you push into the servo. Exactly the dir input (low means one direction, high means opposite) or im speed mode below 0V is one direction and over 0V is for the opposite direction.
I can’t get mine to work off a potentiometer, for some reason I’m not getting power from pin 9
Do you want to use SigIn for servo enable or why do you need the pin9 for the potentiometer?
What is the difference between a servo motor and a step motor?
Stepper motors movement is like 1 step per 1 pulse (constant angle of rotation). Usually steppers dont have encoders. Servo motors uses the encoder to check if the position is right and if the position is not perfect - it changes the shaft position constantly. From our view it works pretty the same but it works really diffetent. Also servos are usually more precise and the parameters these offer are usually better too. And the servos cost more.
My motor is running in reverse and I can't find the parameter to change the direction of the motor could you tell me how to do it Thanks.
Which method do you use to control it?
@@GBWM_CNC Hi I'm using step and direction like a stepper motor I am not expirieced with this stuff I made a cnc plasma table but thats it
@@steveu235 You can usually change the direction of servo in CNC software. For example in MACH3 you just check/uncheck the direction pin configuration of the axis you want change directions.
@@GBWM_CNC Okay thanks I'm using a SMC5-5-N-N offline 5 Axis CNC controller Haven't connected it yet maybe it will have a way to reverse the motors like Mach 3. If bad goes to worse ill switch to Mach3 Thanks for the help It was a relief to come across your video to get the pin outs, the Manual is difficult.
@@steveu235 I'm glad I could help 😁
Ordered me a 1.2kw, im going belt driven on a mechanical bt30 atc on my tiny mill
Sounds great
Did you tried spindle orientation with this servomotor?
Could you explain? You mean using it as spindle drive?
@@GBWM_CNC Yes. So I'm able to use it dual model speed and position but can't find a way to align the spindle for let's say a tool change. I could not find a way to have the shaft move a certain number of pulses relative to the Z index from the encoder. I can stop the shaft from an external REF signal coming into one of the SIGin pins but is not guaranteeing a certain absolute position from the REF signal occurrence. I know some of the real spindle drives allows you to input a number in the driver which gives the rotation angle relative to a Z position index so when it's stopped from rotation goes into that position. I was hoping these servos will do the same but apparently not
@@car9167 Honestly I don't think it has such a function. For spindle driving the speed mode is probably suitable but for toolchange I'm not sure. Btw are you talking about a standard pneumatic ATC or rotating the spindle for a drawbar tool change? Also I'm thinking of if there is a function that would let the servo put in certain speed or step/dir when a SIGin pin is activated - then the spindle could be controlled by the CNC controller as an additional CNC axis.
@@GBWM_CNC There is a way to run the servo dual mode speed/positioning. You assign the Cmode command on an Sigin pin. You out the Vref voltage on the two pins and drive it in speed. When voltage is 0 the motor is stopped and you can use the Cmode to switch to positioning. By feeding steps on the positionling lines it moves like a positioning servo driven by steps. You can switch back and forth. I just tested yesterday with my 3.8KW servo. I have the same drive as yours just bigger. I was planning to use it as spindle drive. I have a BT40 spindle. If interested in this dual mode I can share the configuration just let me know
I have this CNC controller for 5 axis www.szghauto.com/product/66.html I can use one of the axis to drive the servomotor as a spindle. I can do orientation in software and drive the servo with the two quadrature signals. The issue is I lose an axis and I was planning - long term - to have my CNC run with 5 axis. This controller has the software and IO pins for an ATC as well. It can also use one of the axis to drive the ATC itself. Again you will lose an axis doing that. But it can be done externally without using an axis
Sir please tell us to buy servo motors
Alieexpress :)
can this run with 120 ac
It seems it is only for 220V. But I think I saw servos also made particularly for 120V
My friend you have to show us wiring diagram for more information
I'll make someday a video about the wiring of my cnc mill which uses this servo. I'll provide a example wiring diagram of it there
@@GBWM_CNC if i dont have a servo motor in real and also adrive is there any simulation software for both could be try for students
c'è qualcuno che lo ha collegato come mandrino su una nvem v2? grazie
Где покупали?
Я купил это на aliexpress
Finally got mine tested in Jog mode, just have to disable the servo...
Why disable? Let it be alive! 😁
@@GBWM_CNC I have the same PC Board as you, tried everything and can't get voltage out of it to run the 0-10v. Haven't tried step yet. Building the the adapter for the motor...
@@cr2fabrication Which PC board? The LPT BOB or a USB CNC Board? I used both and both of them need external voltage supply for for the 0-10V output to get it work
@@GBWM_CNC They call it the 5 axis cnc mach3 board, its parallel port with the usb power, and yes I have a 12 volt power supply on it. I'm thinking it's a bad board, all the axis work, but not the 0-10v
@@cr2fabrication Did you check out my video about connecting it to a VFD? Here's the link - it might help: czcams.com/video/P6xxHj6qYSA/video.html
How much does this unit cost I need to run at 900 RPMs
I paid for it about $300 including taxes
@@GBWM_CNC where
@@fredhebert8592 on aliexpress
@@GBWM_CNC can I ask you a question
@@fredhebert8592 sure
A jak ustawić aby servomotor wykonywał tylko po 1 pełnym obrocie?
A czym chcesz sterować ten silnik? Bo aby wykonał jeden obrót musi na wejściu sterującym dostać odpowiednią ilość impulsów która będzie odpowiadać jednemu pełnemu obrotowi wału. Można to wykonać zarówno na sterowniku cnc, arduino jak i plc
@@GBWM_CNC Mach 3 - 5 osi teraz steruje sobie ręcznie przypisanymi przyciskami z klawiatury ale chciałbym aby to działało tak, że wpisuję kod i servo robi i obrót prawo/lewo, czy jest to do zrobienia?
@@PSS_1 bez problemu. Starczy wpisac G-code ręcznie z taką wartością jaka pozwoli na obrót silnika o jeden obrót zależnie jak jest oś ustawiona w mach3
@@GBWM_CNC tak, tylko u mnie wpisałem numer osi pod która mam podpiete serwo np oś obrotowa B i wartość 1 czyli B1 i oś serva powinna wykonać 1 pełny obrót - a nie wykonała i nie wiem co trzeba ustawić aby był 1 obrót
@@PSS_1 a masz odpowiednią ilość impulsów na 1 obrót ustawioną w mach3? Oś w ogóle wykonuje jakiś ruch?
6:13 why? :)
oh you!
Sar mcb pawar cat ho rhino he
Thank you for quick setup - working at first time. Check my CNC in channel. Good luck :D
Great! Im glad it helped. I'll check out 😉
My motor is running direct
what do you mean?
Manual book
cześć
mam te serwa i mam problem którym aktualnie walczę
mianowicie chodzi o szarpanie
maszyna przeniesienie napędu poprzez przekładnię 5:1 na listwy zębate helikalne
na silnikach krokowych smiga ładnie, myślę że chodzi o ustawienia
lecz nie potrafię znaleźć odpowiednich parametrów.
może ktoś jest w stanie mi pomóc?
pozdrawiam
Masz instrukcję do nich? Bo nie wiem co może powodować szarpanie, ale warto by może było przejrzeć wszystkie parametry w instrukcji. Jakbyś nie miał instrukcji to mogę podesłać.
Ta przekładnia może być za mała do tego serwa. Problem będzie tkwił w tym, że nie dasz rady go zestroić dlatego objawem będzie szarpania. Zmień przekładnie na większą a zobaczysz, że będzie znacząca poprawa. Kolejne pytanie to ile zębów ma zębatka? W instrukcji na pewno jest jaką maksymalną drogę może przejechać serwo na jeden pełny obrót.
Miałem kiedyś taki kłopot i wymiana przekładni pomogła.
@@krzysztofcebula2502
cześć
jutro sprawdzę ile ma zębów
ostatnio zamiast serwa zamontowałem silnik krokowy i ładnie to pracuje
zapraszam na forum założyłem tam wątek
www.cnc.info.pl/frezarka-4000x2500-synchronizacja-serw-t108795.html#p751264
Pozdrawiam
Nice toothbrush but bit to big.
Agree
Nicht hilfreich
No details explained? Connection details not explain? You made a movie only. Totally dislike
3:23 and 6:09 connection details explained my disliking friend :)
Would you please write your email to send apic about the problem
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Hello, how to use ac servo angle control??
You can use CNC software which I show quite a bit on my channel or a arduino / PLC depending on your application