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Peter Vettese: The Under Wraps Mix | Hunting Girl Live Faux Pas | Ian Anderson's Voice Problems
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- In this interview composer and musician Peter Vettese waxes lyrical on his time as a session musicain, his love for jazz and his time in Jethro Tull, including Ian Anderson getting pissed off when 'Hunting Girl' was screwed up on stage, Ian Anderson's vocal problems, the mix and sound of 'Under Wraps' and his rig on 'Broadsword and the Beast' - check out some of Peter's work by clicking the links below
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Time Stamps
00:00 - Intro
00:22 - Working as a Session Player -
04:59 - Majesty of Light
09:50- Joni Mitchell & 'Woodstock'
13:21 - The Influence of Jazz
17:56 - Jazz & Progressive Rock
22:47 - Ian Anderson's voice problems
27:50 - Under Wraps
30:10 - Screwing Up 'Hunting Girl' Live
32:17 - Replacing the drums on Under Wraps
39:12 - Ian Anderson: working with
41:38 - Your Equipment on 'Broadsword'
37:30 - Atmosphere in Tull
54:55- Which artist would you like to work with?
Fantastic interview, I love Mr. Vettese! I hold his Tull work, and the Ian Anderson solo album quite highly. Especially Broadsword, which is one of my top 10 fave Tull albums - possibly top 5. I also love his work with Annie Lennox
I never considered how much Ian's flute-playing overblowing was doing damage to him. That is tragic.
I loved Under Wraps. Remember seeing it in Brisbane, CA at the Cow Palace.
I saw it in Brisbane, Australia!
@@GeoffCB
LOL, then you saw it in the nicer Brisbane I'd suppose.
Neither have I!! Even after so many years listening to him...The way Mr Vetesse talked about it, and demonstrated left me almost shocked. And I say to myself: Why did I never think about this?! Quite unbelivable really.
What a champion of a lad Peter Vettese is. One would be lucky to have him as a colleague and friend. thoughtful, grounded and positive. Very enjoyable chat. Thank you.
Peter is a fantastic musician and was brilliant in Jethro Tull.
One of my favourite keyboard players never forget chatting with him when they released the Rhodes Chroma
Just a fantastic interview, Barry. Peter is a marvelous interview - very candid, insightful, humble, and honest.
That was really interesting. 1984 Jethro Tull holds a lot of pleasant memories for me as it was the first time I saw them live (Manchester Apollo, September 1984) - I seem to remember they began with Hunting Girl.
I remember being slightly underwhelmed when I first heard Under Wraps, because it DIDN’T sound anything like Tull’s 69-72 albums which I’d only heard for the first time a few months earlier.
It would be a pity if PJV was only remembered by Tull fans for Under Wraps as I really like both the Broadsword album and Ian’s Walk into Light solo effort.
One can be underwhelmed by progress and experimentation when expecting tradition, but I was blown away that the only brilliant science fiction computer rock album to date is by a band mainly known for folk rock.
Loved hearing Peter's perspective on that era of Tull. Interesting bloke. 👍
Great interview with Peter. He had some good insight on Ian Anderson. I might be in the minority but I love Under Wraps but would be interested to see if Steven Wilson does a remix for it.
I am also in that minority. Fantastic album.
T U
I am in the minority of considering Under Wraps one of Tull's best albums and in the minority of thinking Wilson ruined every Tull album he remixed. Awful, dry sound, way inferior to the remastered versions of the original mixes released a few years earlier.
I agree. I have come to like the album far more than I did when I bought it in 1984. I think it deserves a remix/remaster treatment. Would be great to have a bonus version with real drums overdubbed.
@@DropAnchor1978 It was remastered already, but it is the only remaster so far which might be inferior to the original; the synth drums sound weird on the remaster. So I agree they should try again (and not forget to remaster Walk Into Light as well this time). But I don't want a human drummer, it would remove a big chunk of the album's appeal for me, the super-human, ultra-precise, strange but beautiful drum patterns only IA could conceive.
This interview is so enlightening and resolves some thoughts I had about that period Peter was involved with Jethro Tull. Many thanks and best wishes.
Great interview!. Loved hearing Peter's stories, insights, and humor. I enjoyed and admired his playing on Broadsword and the Beast, which is one of my favorite Tull albums. That tour was great. I saw them play the Philadelphia Spectrum.
Really enjoyed that. Peter takes his time to get to a point, but it was worth it each time. Very telling quote from Don Airey I thought. More like this please!
Always good interviews ... especially Tull related stuff.
Excellent interview, Barry. I love listening to what session players have to say. Unlike the "stars," the session players have a total commitment to music rather than the divided loyalties between music and commerce. Plus they offer so many insights into the artists they work with, but not totally beholden to them. Really interesting! Fine work!
I am pleased with this interview. I feel I'm getting much betetr at this interview thing, more confident.
@@classicalbum It's showing.
I literally just posted a video of my own version of The Clasp Intro... on my Roland synth.
I was deeply curious what he used.
Amazing to discover it's a Roland Jupiter 8!!!
I've got a Jupiter 8 engine on the synth I used!!
Man what an excting interview!!
PJV you are an incredible musician and a gentleman. Under wraps is Ian's last great vocal performance and I love it. The early 80's were a difficult transition. Peter's performance on the album by Kazumi Watanabe with Bill Bruford, and Jeff Berlin (Spice of Life) is wonderful.
yay more Peter Vettese interviews!
He's got a brilliant story with Go West I got in my interview with him on my podcast
I believe the broadsword rig question was mine I think too so glad to see hear him answer it
You own question ... where can one buy one?
I know it will never happen, but I'd really be interesting in hearing John Evans' recollections of Tull, but I imagine it is painful for him, at least that is what I hear. Didn't he move all the way to Australia to get away from all of that? He was one of my favorite Tull characters, but then they all are too.
I suspect John actually wrote a lot of that music, and probably is under a non-disclosure of some sort. Ian probably pays band members to be quiet about how he treated them, and still, his bad treatment of his friends comes out.
@@nsbd90now
I don't think it is as sinister as all that, but Ian is a very aggressive type-A with the talent to back it up. I remember seeing something about Evan talking, maybe marketing or PR stuff, but about the intro to Locomotive Breath where John said he didn't know what to do, but Ian tasked him with coming up with an intro and he did it, so he felt Ian inspired him to be better. Who knows if that was true or what it meant, but the guy had a lot of talent in him, and his taste in music was sophisticated and complex.
You really cannot blame people for being themselves unless they really go past the point of friendship and civility. Whatever happened with the various band lineups, people make mistakes and are selfish or thoughtless sometimes. All of Ian's friends who played with Jethro Tull got an experience and compensation most people never get to see or can even imagine, so along with the bitter must be some sweet. It will forever be a big part of who they are and why people know and love them.
John built his own very successful refurbishing (his word) business in Australia. Being fired from Tull blindsided him.
@@justgivemethetruth As you said there are some bitters in the past of Jethro Tull but in general there are no past members that had something really bad to say about Ian.
@@nsbd90now Pay band members to be quiet...?? Ian wouldn't pay anybody a penny. And to be honest, they wouldn't get money from anybody either in my opinion.Besides, John didn't "write a lot" of the music, but he had a lot of contribution on the keyboard part for sure. And obviously that was the best Tull line-up. I also wish they continued at least a bit longer, or seperated more amicably.... But paying the ex-band members? Really!!!
Coming to this as a Tull fan, this was super interesting. I love "Walking on Broken Glass", never knew Vettese was on that 😄
BTW I'm with you on Matthew's Southern Comfort.
saw tull on the broadsword tour sure PJV had a white suit on with electric green socks on ??? wore same socks for a good spell after
Thank you very much for this delightful interview with Peter Vettese. Under Wraps tour was the first time I saw Tull live, so with the inexplicable excitement of the whole experience ( the last three days of the UK tour at Hammersmith Odeon , London), the album has a different special place in my heart, emotionally. It is not my favourite Tull album , but there are quite a few songs that I like. As far as I understood Mr Vetesse also pointed out the main problem with the album was that of drum machines and sound, not composition.
Brilliant interview. Thanks Barry.
Great interview. What a charming guy Peter is!
Bursting Out is my favorite live album of all time. I wish that could be next on Wilson's list to remix and work some magic on.
You can pre-order it now from Burning Shed. It has been expanded, extras galore the same as all the series with the remix by Steven Wilson. Literally you can order it right now!
@@FireMunki63 But have you heard it's quality? Is it worth it? Bursting out was a fantastic album but not a good recording.
Great interview, thanks Barry.
Great interview Barry, thanks PJV 🤘🏻👍🏻
Like his work as producer with Voice of the Beehive, "Sex and Misery".
I always like the original album sounds compared to the Steve Wilson remixes ... not really caring for them. Under Wraps was great ... as was Broadsword.
I agree about the (remastered) original mixes being superior to the dry Wilson sound. I think Broadsword is the weakest of the four synth heavy albums though (including A and Walk Into Light). I think all the elves and swords and vikings on Broadsword are a bit embarrassing - but I did listen to it quite a lot when I played a computer fantasy role playing game, which of course is also an embarrassing thing to do. ;-)
I search for Vettese on both Beato's channels and got nothing returned?
Concerning the replacement of electronic drums with a real drummer or drummers, my go-to example would be King Crimson's Construkction of Light album. It was widely considered a the weakest part of their discography with a lot of criticism being rightly (to my mind) directed at these drum sounds. Not long ago it was re-released as Reconstrukction of Light, with Pat Mastelotto replacing the drum sound of the original as a live drummer, and the effect is staggeringly good. I'm pretty sure that the same thing would be achieved with the Tull sound of that era.
As an aside, the track Prozak Blues as an album opener was a horrific mistake, but that's just my opinion that I felt needed mentioning, because it still rubs me the wrong way after all these years.
It's strange though - if the only thing "wrong" or requiring updating are the drums, then doesn't that say more about the listener than the recording? I mean, fans have had 40 years to get used to Under Wraps and Walk into Light as is. It boggles my mind that the dislike for the original recordings are so strong we're still talking about it. The writing was great, the guitar is still there - it was an experiment. Armchair quarterbacking it now doesn't feel entirely useful, and one wonders what the point would be. Can you really not hear the great songs because of the drums?
@@MaterLacrymarum Yes, I think sound and production are vital to any recording. If you play Close to the Edge on 6 tubas and piccolo flute, it's still a great song, but who's likely to listen to it?
@@normanjones9663 Well, now you've mentioned it...
The drum programming is brilliant on Under Wraps, it does things a human drummer couldn't do. Stripping the album of that would destroy a big part of it's identity.
I think that 'Underwraps' includes some of the band's usual superb compositions besides the first Ian's truly weak tracks in a Jethro Tull album. Many old fans are utterly unable to notice this simple fact. The thing is not that bad and horrendous. And putting the rhythm machines aside wouldn't solve any of the album's deficiencies. The true tragedy was Ian's evident increasing difficulties to sing roughly, as in the old times. But Peter's involvement with the band was worthy of more albums being released after that controversial"Underwraps". Despite my preferences go to Eddie Jobson, a jewel of a musician.
Lap Of Luxury is conceived as a more accessible single instead of hardcore Tull, and it's grown on me. Still way cooler than mainstream rock. The vocal problems started on tour, not in the studio. The studio vocals are superb I think, full of weirdness and energy.
I have to echo the comments from others below in that this was a fantastic interview and was great to better understand why Under Wraps and Walk into light arent as good as they could have been. I have to confess taht I previously pointed the finger at Peter Vettesse for some of the blame in regard to those however I am now diabused of that.
I've also always had a bit of a thing about how keyboard sounds for a lot of bands and artists worsened during the 80's compared to the 70's - for example when comparing the keyboards and production of Styx's Pieces of 8 with everything post Cornerstone and now hearng that that may be due to what Peter was saying regarding the frequency ranges that undermined Under Wraps.
I concur about 1980s keyboards, synths and production. It makes even good songs and albums sound really dated and, in some cases, almost unlistenable.
I completely disagree. Walk Into Light has dark, mysterious atmosphere because of the exotic instrumentation, and Under Wraps still sounds how a rock band of brilliant lunatics in the year 3000 should sound. Broadsword is a bit silly and cheesy and mainstreamy compared to most Tull albums.
Drums it's not the only problem on Under Wraps. The album suffers from sterile sound and textures, no low or low mids, lot of highs and annoying samples and effects, programming, sequencing and all the electronic sh*t. The albums needs a reconstruction, bringing out the good buried things and extirpate the excesses and balance all the things to a more organic and natural sound, with some bottom end. So, the album needs not only a good mixer, but a good producer to help the choices. Sure, this would de-characterize the entire album, but it would provide another perspective for fans of this album and for those who heard it once and never again. The ideal would be to provide something like 3 CDs:
1 - The Original Mix + Outtakes/Rough Mixes/Demos
2 - Remix by Steven Wilson (true to the original, as always)
3 - Reconstructed/Rearranged Album Mix
plus
4 - 5.1 mix DVD with all.
I know many, perhaps even most, Tull fans dislike Under Wraps. That said, I've always loved it. I think it's more important to approach it for what it is, rather than what it could have been. The writing is superb, Anderson sounds great, and we get some textures we'd not had before (or since). As time would tell, it wasn't a style that had legs, but Under Wraps and Walk Into Light are highlights of the long career of Tull and Anderson.
I really don't see how or why they would try to turn it into a more traditional Tull album, that was not how it was conceived and performed at the time, so it goes in the "it is what it is" camp. Of course, if they redid it somehow I'd give it a listen, but over the years I've played the heck out of both the electronic albums. At the end of the day the melodies are strong, there's plenty of guitar work, and I don't think second-guessing something made 40 years ago is a particularly good idea.
@@MaterLacrymarum I like the album pretty much, it's one of the reasons, if it make any sense that i also want to hear a different take over him.
Exactly my thoughts - "Under Wraps - Uncovered".
I like it as it is. It's just a different Tull album.
Aliens and spaceships are not the only problem in Star Wars. The movie needs a reconstruction, bringing out the good buried things and extirpate the excesses and balance all the things to a more organic and natural setting. So, the movie needs not only a good director, but a good gun fight in a saloon and cowboys. Sure, this would de-characterize the entire movie, but it would provide another perspective for fans of this movie and for those who saw it once and never again.
He fell way short replacing John Evans on keyboards in Jethro Tull. In fact,Jethro Tull never were the same as the deterioration of the band begun with Under Wraps.
you gotta have negative knowledge of what a keyboard is to say something like this
@@romuloreck Actually, your deaf! ' Stormwatch ' was the last REAL Jethro Tull studio album and ' Bursting Out ' was the last live ending of the real Jethro Tull.....Since then it has been a skeleton of cheap imitations and the "PEAK" era of the band had ended here... Any new members imitated the part of a predecessor...including David Pegg...You have a "NEGATIVE KNOWLEDGE of JETHRO TULL...Under Wraps wrapped up Jethro Tull and from that point on the past was better than the future. Don't be fooled again by CHEAP IMITATIONS!
Turn your microphone down and stop yapping while the guest is talking.
Well, aren't you a little champ?
I agree.