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Religious diversity is the norm in American life, and that diversity is only increasing, says Eboo Patel.
Using the most painful moment of his life as a lesson, Eboo Patel explains why it's crucial to be positive and proactive about engaging religious identity towards interfaith cooperation.
The opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of the Charles Koch Foundation, which encourages the expression of diverse viewpoints within a culture of civil discourse and mutual respect.
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EBOO PATEL:
Eboo Patel is the founder and president of Interfaith Youth Core (IFYC), a national nonprofit working to make interfaith cooperation a social norm. He is the author of the books Acts of Faith, Sacred Ground, Interfaith Leadership and Out of Many Faiths. Eboo holds a doctorate in the sociology of religion from Oxford University, where he studied on a Rhodes scholarship.
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EBOO PATEL: My closest friends in high school, the kids I ate lunch with, included a Cuban Jew, a South Indian Hindu, a Nigerian Evangelical, a Mormon, a Lutheran and a Catholic. And we talked about everything under the sun as 16-year-old suburban high school kids are want to do. We never talked about religion. And even though there were parts of all of our lives that were at least a little bit religious, it generally manifested in something along the lines of 'I can't play basketball this Sunday because my mom is making me go to some religion thing', but our families had a certain set of expectations around our religious participation, and some people, especially my Latter-Day Saints friend, was especially involved in that kind of stuff. So why does it matter that religion was not part of the conversation? For a couple of months during my high school career a group of thugs in my school started going after my Jewish friend and they would call him ugly anti-Semitic slurs in the hallway and they would scrawl really terrible things on classroom desks. And I saw my once vibrant friend slink into the shadows of the school. He would come to school right as the opening bell rang; he would leave right as the closing bell rang. And I watched this happen over these couple months. A few years later when we were home from college for a summer, he brings this up with me and he says "Those were the worst months of my life. And the part of it that really sucked wasn't what those thugs did to me, it was watching you watch me suffer and do nothing. Why did you do nothing?"
And I'm 43 years old and I've done a lot of dumb things and that's the most humiliating moment of my life - it's my friend calling me out on a moment of profound weakness, like, the opposite of courage. And I told the story to my dad, who is not a ritualistic Muslim at all, but he was like, "You failed your friend and you failed your faith." "Like what do you mean I failed my faith?" He's like, "We're Muslims, Eboo. We stand up for people who are hurting. That's the core of the religion. That's what it means to be Rahmatul Alameen -- a mercy upon all the worlds -- as Allah says to the Prophet Mohammed in the holy Quran." And that's when I started to think to myself: Why is it that my friend group wasn't talking about religion, but these thugs in my school we're happy to be openly anti-Semitic? And it's one of the early experiences in my life that got me thinking about how important it is to be positive and proactive about engaging religious identity towards interfaith cooperation. And that is now a norm in American life. Like your elementary school where you send your kids, or the hospital where your kids were born, those are all religiously diverse places and that religious diversity matters.
Let's think for a moment about how religious diversity intersects with healthcare. Different religious orientations literally have different definitions of when life begins, have different definitions of what to do when a baby is born, have different definitions of what a good life is and have different definitions of when a person dies. So if you are a nurse or a doctor and you enter the room of a Buddhist family whose grandfather is on the bed about to pass into the next world and you point to the brain scan and say...
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No idea is sacred.
Except that one :D
I will openly criticism the negative impacts of religion, regardless of the religion. 🤷♀
Talk about missing the point, you moron.
I will openly criticize bad grammar.
@@sebastianelytron8450 i'll say i think the fella hijacked his main point about standing up for people. his religion or his friends was not integral to that story,
That's what this video should really be about. Not letting people get away with their bullshit just because they can't be adult enough to take criticism.
@@sebastianelytron8450 A person doesn't have to have a religion. You might be missing the point.
Being openly critical of bad or dangerous ideas is the very best thing for a healthy society.
THANK YOU!!! PEOPLE ACT LIKE CRITICIZING BAD IDEAS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION IS SOME TYPE OF "PHOBIA" no thats a way to shut down debates
Elisabeth Schei exactly. getting real tired of that Islamophobia bullshit. If you subscribe to a belief system that thinks women should be subservient to men and that homosexuals should be thrown off buildings then fuck you I'm going to judge the shit out of you
@@kaiem1013 just remember that it's not just Islam, Christianity is basically the same
justsomeguy
Or flag.
Mathew Morash
Jehovah’s witnesses are the worst. Next to Scientology. People that are the very worst at thinking-of course they would believe they are the best people on the planet.
Stand up against science deniers - even if you have to criticize religious ideas. Ideas don't have rights for a reason...
All organized religion should be oppressed and discriminated against. These are cults of influence, not spiritual refuge. Organized religion literally caused the dark ages.
"Free speech is the bedrock of liberty and a free society. And yes, it includes the right to blaspheme and offend,"
-Ayaan Hirsi Ali
She's a brave woman
The fact that free speech should be promoted legally and definitely should not be repressed In society doesn't mean it isn't morally wrong to attack and poke fun at others bases on their beliefs, no matter how ridiculous those are. If you want to "free someone from religious oppresion", you should follow the "irreligion is great" line, not the "religion is stupid" one.
Σπύρος Σ. Yes I definitely agree with you. What Hirsi Ali is always speaking out against is the "silencing" of the critics of Islam by dismissing them as no more than prejudiced racists and white supremacists. She is for the reformation of the Islam faith and she believes that coddling Islam and all of its frankly crazy ideas will only make things worse for the thousands of apostates, homosexuals and other "undesirables" currently suffering under brutal Islamist extremists and Sharia Law.
I admit I'm not entirely sure about this whole business of "offending" people and when exactly it becomes too much and too bad, but I firmly believe that Religion should always be open to criticisms and it's hard to do so when you're always avoiding offending people.
When I first stumbled upon Richard Dawkins' works as a teenager (I was a Youth of Christ leader and a VERY devout Christian) I was so hurt and angry and offended. Everyone who has read his works will know the sometimes cruel and scathing ways he dismisses all the beliefs you hold dear. And it really hurt. But in the end, it made me think about my own prejudices and the nagging truths I've known all along but kept sweeping under the rug. I'm not saying that we should go out and bully Muslims. I just want to protect the right to criticize their religion without being immediately dismissed as an Islamophobe and a neo nazi.
And I definitely understand where you're coming from because a lot of people use "free speech" to justify their cruelty and hate. But still I hope this left you with a more favourable impression of what I meant when I posted that quote. Good day!!! 🙂
@@relo999 I am not talking about a friend having fun with another friend.. I think you get that even though you used it as an argument to support your own view.And yes ,it is subjective,but this doesnt justify you being able to say whatever you want.About the pedo example,it just doesnt make sense man..If he has done something like that of course you can call him a pedo,he lost the respect he deserved.Now, about respect, you are wrong.Respect exists to a man just because he is a human being,and then it is either preserved or lost, depending to one's actions.It isnt gained, it is there in the first place(For example when you meet someone for the first time, you dont call him however you like, do you?Thats because you show him respect,and then by knowing him you see if he is worth your respect or not).And about the insult part,you are saying the same thing with other words.When someone insults you, most of the time he defames your character, so you can sue him.I hope you have a better understanding of respect now!! 😁
@@kaiem1013 Yes i agree to that too.I didnt get it that you where using her words to support her view,I thought you were using her words to say that it is ok to offend.I agree that you can criticise religions and ideas and things like that,but always with valid arguments, respect ,and the intention to make something better.
What if someone's religious views are dangerous? Should those views not be criticized?
Tamas Egyed Is that even a real question?
@@Necrophadez It is in 2019...
Violet Fyxe Yeah, what of it?! Ideas, including religious views are not so sacred that they ‘should’ be above criticism. Yet throughout history that has always been the case.
@@Necrophadez It depends on the environment. Supposing someone wants out of their parent's religion, and there's potential for a hard life if they apostatize. We all have different directions in life.
spacedoohicky That’s irrelevant, it doesn’t mean the ideas shouldn’t be criticised, it just means they can’t be challenged by certain individuals for fear of violence, or other repercussions such as being shunned.
If it's not justified, sure.
Exactly
Guys, its 2021. Can we at least start to try and be a little religiusly tolerant? People should have the right to pray to a god just as much as people should have the right to beleive in no god. Besides, we are all human. I dont care if you are an athiest scientist or a devouted christian, ill judge you by the person you are, not your beleifs. Plus, if you steal my food i will hurt your regardless :)
True.
No.
The video did not say "avoid criticizing religious beliefs." The video said "stand up against religious discrimination." Discrimination is when you treat someone as less deserving of human dignity because of a group they belong to. You can criticize beliefs and ideas without making people feel like dirt.
“I respect you as a person too much to respect your ridiculous beliefs.”
-Johann Hari
@@gsogymrat No it can't.
Guys, if you aproach the matter only with logic, all religions may seem pointless.I am an atheist too, but I can undestand why someone wants to believe in god.For most of the believers, it is something that brings hope and helps them keep going,for others it might be a trauma that led them to belive,and most importandly for some, religion is an effective way to preserve their ethical values.And thats what i think religion is about.Societal order through preservarvation of ethecal values, that leads to mutual respect.I think that if you truly want to be called an atheist, you have to undestand all the above,and be a good person who can stand on his own feet without the need of a god.Because being an atheist means undestanding what the meaning of religion is, and then moving past it.
I literally wanted to comment that
@@UserUnknown123__ As a Roman Catholic, I definitely admire your respectful attitude towards everyone... I know you don't believe in God, but anyways, God bless you (don't take it badly, btw)
If you want to "free someone from religious oppresion", you should follow the "irreligion is great" line, not the "religion is stupid" one.
wow so many people in the comment section either missing the point or taking offense that they can't mock religion. The point he was making is don't BULLY people and instead respect everyone's personal belief and find a positive way of interacting with people from all walks of life.
Criticism and mockery can be perceived as bullying.
If I joked at the existence of Santa Claus, I'd be laughing at the belief, not the person.
Ideas and thoughts shouldn't be protected from scrutiny, regardless of their origin.
I guess the jihads and crusades were justified as they were simply acting on behalf their personal beliefs, which shouldn't have been questioned nor criticised.
You are naive. In the UK they are planning on making Islamophobia illegal.
As an atheist, I stand up every time someone religious discriminates against me.
a christian told me to my face that i will go to hell .. i just walked away
@@offline._archive its true cause u don't believe in God And that Jesus died for you sins. So yes you will go to hell for rejection God. The truth hurts. But its not to late you can always look for jesus and be saved. Please listen all religion you see were made by the devil to keep you far away from the truth of God words and his creation. The devil knows how to trick people in believing in false worship. Please take what I have said and studying it just for a little while read a bible and ask jesus for his gide. Please trust me just try and you'll see that jesus is still alive
@@marianodavid2437
F*ck Jesus!
Actually no. He seems like a cool leftist hippie. Fuck his God-hood (?)
@Lost Hero your a troll, and you need some assistance, with your issues. I'd highly advise for you to get a therapist and let a professional here about your real problems
@Lost Hero I think your not caring is a symptom of the real problem in the world, which is that nobody at all gives a shit. And to quote Dr seus if a person like you doesn't start caring a whole lot more, it's never going to get better
religion is a very controversial and deep argument, my advice is to avoid it in business
Nicola - Business Tips For Success very good advice.
You could just avoid it completely. Thats what I do.
This has nothing to do with religion. Bullies would of found some other trait to use in order to pick on that kid. The core problem is bullying and we haven't come close to solving it
@EseChava 22 I am not saying it is about stopping bullying. I am saying that the core issue in the example provided in the video is bullying not religious intolerance.
@EseChava 22 standing up to it is a very general direction. Some ways of standing up to it can backfire.
@EseChava 22 that is the dumbest shit I heard today and I watched a compilation of Trump saying Mexico will pay for the wall.
I really try to dislike all religions equally, but some are just worse than others.
i think that we should let people believe what they believe and never try to force our worldview to anyone.
As a Christan we don't force it on you but we have to tell you. In other words we have to tell you which is the correct path to take because God tell us too. And from there you choose what religion is right. Because all the religion you see are fake but 1. They have all been made to get you far away from the truth of God and the bible. But it's not something we can stop talking about because we can't let pol go to hell because they are in a false religion
@@marianodavid2437 have you ever considered that there is only one religion as there is one truth, but that god divided his knowledge and passed it off as multiple faiths to direct those with hatred to attack those with hatred, that hatred would be allowed to destroy itself, for people act in anger regardless of reason, and there reasoning is only to direct there ideology to prove that others are worthy of suffering villainy. For the devil has corrupted the world, and the evils of the world reproduce faster than others thus there is limtation in reproduction. Many secrets are denied the right to freedom of speech. For the son of man is born and lives in duress denied even the right to speak, for the world depends upon them.
I agree
@@marianodavid2437 "As a Christan we don't force it on you but we have to tell you."
It is Illegal for you to force religion on to anyone.
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"In other words we have to tell you which is the correct path to take because God tell us too. And from there you choose what religion is right. Because all the religion you see are fake but 1."
All of them are fake.
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"They have all been made to get you far away from the truth of God and the bible."
The bible contradicts its self.
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"But it's not something we can stop talking about because we can't let pol go to hell because they are in a false religion"
So why haven't you stopped believing? You fucking cultist.
@@Rapist_Movement "have you ever considered that there is only one religion as there is one truth,"
I remember when I thought like you.
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"but that god divided his knowledge and passed it off as multiple faiths to direct those with hatred to attack those with hatred, that hatred would be allowed to destroy itself, for people act in anger regardless of reason, and there reasoning is only to direct there ideology to prove that others are worthy of suffering villainy."
The truth is the best thing a god could do is to come out and prove he exists. He/she/it has not. Nor will a god do so because there is no such thing as God. Religion is fantasy. As in it remains only in our minds.
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"For the devil has corrupted the world, and the evils of the world reproduce faster than others thus there is limtation in reproduction. Many secrets are denied the right to freedom of speech. For the son of man is born and lives in duress denied even the right to speak, for the world depends upon them."
There is no such thing as the devil.
Both god and the devil are ideas derived from the Heroes Journey. The Heroes Journey is a story we, as humans, have told to everyone. It is every story we tell. If you are willing to learn more about the Heroes Journey. You can read about it here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
If you are not interested in it. Well you can lead a horse to water.
When 4:12 those Buddhists have a different definition of death than it's worth checking out if Muslims have a different definition of mercy 2:27
If your only worthwhile goal of life is defined by Allah it might seem sane and merciful to kill unbelievers and apostates.
Bro had a flying horse though.... if you don't believe in flying horses, maybe the unbelievers deserve to die....or maybe religions are all just a bunch of horse shit.
I'm Pagan. I liked the message of this video. We need to keep religion out of laws though and to just treat everyone equally, whether you agree with them or not.
Yes, but im actually noticing its forcing its way more and more into our lives
What will it take to convince you that being pagan is a bad idea?
@@xPumaFangx a sacrifice to Odin
@@Drew_McTygue Well typed well typed.
Every one is not equal though. Some are evil some are not. Some are tall others short. Some are female some are not. Some are lactose intolerant others are just intolerant...
Easy to join a mob of physical or intellectual bullies; hard as hell to be a hero, but it feels so much better in the long run; even if you received a minor battle scar from the encounter.
I don't care about beliefs and religions but people who don't stand up for their friends are the worst.
It's true that in the shinobi world those that abandon there mission are scum, but Those that abandon there friends are worse than scum. - kakashi hataka
@@Rapist_Movement it is true though
I discriminate against all religions.
Same
To me, religious discrimination is the same thing as either refusal to believe in disabilities or refusal to believe that anyone with a disability is not dumb!
Yea stand up for those "easter worshippers", friends.
Thanks for posting this comment. I'm going to keep an eye on the like button and use it as a gauge to see how many petty little douchebags actually subscribe to Big think.
Every religion in the world developed in the Eastern Hemisphere including Christianity, Islam, Jewish, etc..
Easter is just a pagan holiday in a new costume :D
@Lost Hero I still celebrate Halloween.
@Lost Hero Ya I still just call it Halloween.
I wonder, "even when it's atheism"?
When my high school friend was being bullied by a guy in my class I, one morning in class , walked by his desk and slammed his face down onto his desk. That was the end of that. By the way that was in the 70s. Dad got a phone call saying I should not do that but we kind of deserve it.
How about we let religions, and anyone else, have the freedom to discriminate as they choose. If you don't like the business, don't patron them. If you don't like the person, don't associate with them. But the freedom to discriminate is key. You don't like something? Ignore it, don't impose your beliefs on others
I'm all for coexist. But I cannot see how the world can fully function, how people can work together and see each other to the best extent, when they fundamentally believe differently. It's working fine now. But on the scale of everything, on the scale when everything becomes this salad of everything and anything together. I don't see how it can work. I don't see how religion can have a primary or important place in our future world. Sure it can still exist, I'm sure that religion which enters the new world not rejecting science may continue.
But there's simply no way that two people who believe completely different things and see their reality differently, can ever truly have full understanding, full respect, full connection, full, uninterrupted coexistence. It's not just something that we can pretend we don't have so we can coexist, unlike other things which can be swept aside, faith is never not going to be a barrier. Faith will always get in the way.
"But I cannot see how the world can fully function, how people can work together and see each other to the best extent, when they fundamentally believe differently." -
You are correct.
"It's working fine now."
You are not correct. The reason why it might seam like we are getting along. Is because our cultures have become more passive over time. Western culture wants to coexist. While Islamic culture wants to dominate. The reason why Islam has not killed off the west. Is because Islam is weak.
I think it would be best to kill off Islam. But that would not be very western of me.
Mayne if people stop taking the bible literal things may be better in today's society.
@@xPumaFangx
It's working fine because society still exists. It's not working perfectly yes, there is much conflict, much about cultures, religions and personal beliefs that already clashes. The effects of this are beginning to be felt, but so far we've been doing fine, but the future is uncertain on how bad things can really get. Or how good things may become.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 There is less conflicts than there was a 100 years ago.
Which is a victory.
Society will always exist as long as there are humans.
"The effects of this are beginning to be felt,"-you
This is where u and I disagree. Our conflicts are coming to a close. Not a start. As in I am comparing what we are today. With what we where yesterday.
for example:
Sweden does not go raiding for gold, slaves, food, and trade goods. The UK does not have indentured servants. Germany does not have Nazis.
World domination is not important to our countries. Because we do not have a need for it.
When the middle East looses its Islamic beliefs. We humans of the world. Will be happier. When we loose all religious beliefs. We will be better off.
I mean I want us to be able to study mountain lodges of stone aged men with out being persecuted by the church.
This comment section worries me. Ever since the horrors that took place in Pennsylvania, I very much fear being discriminated against, opposed, or maybe even jailed one day for being Catholic. Am I just paranoid? Sure. Maybe. But something very similar happened to our Muslim neighbors in the name of freedom from fear. And I'm old enough to remember a time when anti-religious bigotry in the name of freedom wasn't so pervasive.
I would critique religion but sometimes hatred should not be invoked and harshly submitted to others but instead friendly discussion is the best way to improve
Yes and no. You are free to choose your religion in the confines of your home and free to build any church mosque whatever where it is allowed to build structures. But in any public space you should not be allowed to impose any rules specific for a religion on others. So demanding the food is halal in a public event is a big nono. Otherwise you'll get the tiranny of the least tolerant. And your intolerance is the only thing I'm being intolerant about. No religion in any public place like schools, work, university, library, community center, keep it religion free and do not impose any part of your religion on anybody else present. So no prayer rooms for specific religions in hospitals and university. You do that at home, or at church or a mosque. We should be tolerant to anybody who thinks different, I have no issue with that, but I'm intolerant to any intolerance of any religion about the outside world. So you don''t have the right to try ban abortion because your religion demands it, or try advocate everybody or every event should have halal food. No you should be tolerant about other opinions in any public space. Otherwise everybody has to live by everybody's moronic thought up religious rules. I can invent a couple of religions in a week and try impose those rules in all the public spaces. That would favor me :).
And here come all the atheist to take their chances to bash and or criticize all religions.
You either my brothers in faith or equality in humanity
Bullying is never ok. All religions are make believe. Many are benign, some are malign, but most are long forgotten.
that's like saying culture is make believe
@@johnbuckner2828 *sigh* I don't even...
@@lyngs yes, I realize that you don't even. Thinking is hard. This why grammar school needs to teach critical thinking.
It helps that right when you become disenchanted with something oh, you don't throw the whole thing out without ever thinking about it again more deeply.
@@johnbuckner2828ok then. Comparing culture with religion is like comparing the Moon with a tea pot in orbit around Saturn. No one can seriously argue that the Moon is made up. The fact that you believe that there is a tea pot in orbit around Saturn, does not make it so. But it is really hard to disprove. My grammar might not be perfect as English is my 3rd language.
@@lyngs why, do you think all our institutions and culture exists out there without humans to perceive them or think about them?
Imagine a world without religion
That would be heaven, and we know heaven isn't real :)
It will happen, that’s a guarantee
Sure would have liked to see atheists included in this message of tolerance.
Is that all you are worried abt? This is not to say atheists should be discriminated upon, but the video is about religious discrimination. Be fr
@saucyswipe When atheists in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Southern States of the US fear for their lives if they declare their lack of faith, yes, I think tolerance of atheism is just as important as religious toleration. It's a shame you don't seem to.
Discriminate equally!
One says religious discrimination I hope they understand religious people can discriminate, be prejudice, abusive, and harm others. It is not discrimination to tell cult or individual that is religious to stop causing harm reguardless if dogma is to harm ( not seen as harm by cult members).
Science must come first. Whatever your particular cult/religions "believes" is nice but you must keep it to yourself (btw, cults/religions are losing members and influence throughout the world which is a good thing).
Science must come first, thats true. But religion is under attack by scientolology. Recognising that science lead to the discovery of knowledge possessed by those with greater wisdom, is one thing. The scientific ideology of the people however is to discredit on assumption. Which is bad faith, bad faith corrupts the ideals of agreement it is the breakdown of the most basic foundations of society such as honouring your word. Once the people do not keep there word, then a contract looses its word, and so forth. The need to oppose the discreditation of the knowledge and faith in religion, gives rise to systemic demand to oppose the muting of religious knowledge and therefore religion must fight back
Of course science first, but in order to do that i think that people need a set of values to behave like people.A good way to pass on some basic values that help you become a better human is through religion.I am an atheist and i guess you are too, but i am gonna assume that we both grew up with a religion and good parents that taught is good and bad, and this is what helped us in the end to move past religion and have an even better undestanding of the world.
Science tells us absolutely nothing about fundamental questions of meaning, so no, it mustn't come first
@@Rapist_Movement Haha, how exactly did I?
@@Rapist_Movement Many religions differ in their claims about reality. This means that they can't all be true. At best for you, only one religion can be true. And it's far more likely that all religions are false, due to the inability for that one religion to be as true as science is.
My mother dont like that i have muslim friend
She dont want me to eat food baked in muslim shop
Whyyy? Whyy? Whyy?
I will, given that they don't discriminate against non believes, but that they cannot help but do
Religion like politics should be private by openly displaying your religion one is playing identity politics.
I agree that we should dismiss all religions equally. that we should keep it out of the workplace, the schools and our groups. Freedom to *believe* does not mean freedom from ridicule though.
I treat Flat-earth believers the same way. Just because we believe something does not mean we are immune to discrimination if we make absurd claims that others feel hold us back as a species.
Like religion does.
*Applauds*
Your wrong we have the right to believe in whatever religion. We have the right to talk and pray where ever we want even in school and work. Its called free will God give you that. But there's another problem all religion you see all of them are false but one. they have been made by the devil to keep you away from the truth of God words. Most people will go to hell just for believeing in false religion.
@@marianodavid2437 "Its called free will God gave you that."
1.) Which god of which religion are you referring to?
2.) Where's the evidence for a god giving anyone anything.
To continue, please tell me where you were born. I wish to know because geography has a great influence on a person's religion. If you were born in India, your chances of being a Hindu would be higher than being born in the U.S., where you would most likely be a Christian, or the Middle East, where you would most likely be a Muslim.
Lastly, what's your evidence for the devil of your religion?
Your beliefs aren't anymore rational than the beliefs of other religions. You've simply made a double standard.
@Lost Hero stop being so hard headed the world is not the way you see it its a million times worst and I'm trying to help you so you don't go to hell for the rest of your life. The devil has blind you just like everyone else. Most people will go to hell because they blind they don't no the truth of God words. Damn I really feel bad for you and I dont no you but I care about you cause where your life is going is not a good place 😔
@@buddha5446 I'm Cuban and I live in usa. Which it shouldnt matter. Anyways im a Christian God give everyone free will. Jesus die for your sin. Jesus asked God to forgive for what we have done. without his forgiveness we would be damned. The devil has many many names and the reason that is so people dont really no who he is. The devil use to be a Angel in heaven but he was kicked out by God because he wanted to rule...... So the devil comes to people with a mask on as a angel of light he tricks people. Into doing bad. He is the one who created do without will meaning do whatever you want there is no consequences. And that is bad people are going to hell because they follow those words. Also as above so below. Also evil is good and good is evil, the devil has created those things which a lot of people follow and you probably don't no it. By the way there is proof that God and jesus is real there is proof of is but people don't want to believe because the devil has control of them and they don't no it. God is real and so it the devil. There is no in between. I don't no you but I really care about you cause God made you. Your Gods creation. If you would take only a couple of minutes of your time and read the Holy Bible and just ask jesus to gide you he will gide you. Just try please it take no effort at all and it could change your life. Please . Christian aren't part of this world we aren't sacred of death cause our true home is in heaven with father. We no where we are going after death. That's who God is and that who jesus is and that's who the devil is. You pick where you want to go. God gives you that free will to choose. But there is always a outcome to it remember that.
Never submit.
to what?
@@carpo719 - any creed or religion that forces you to do so. Some religious people think they have the right to chop off your head because you won't join them. You understand?
Religion has nothing to do with it . Ether you do something or not.
I would not defend any individual's religion, because that is their responsibility not mine, but I will defend the 1st Amendment. So you could have said to the generic bullies, "Hey if my friend wants to be a jew... he can be a jew, so what's it to you if my friend wants to be a jew?"
Why the big think icon is black now? I didn't recognize it and had to search for it. smh
It's funny how the discriminators often belong to one of the religions. While the ones without any, couldn't care less from where you come.
Woooow I'm so glad to see so many people against all religions. Maybe we do have a future. I need to believe in ourselves, now some imaginary friend.
We dont need to be against religion. But we should lessen how much it is used for horrendous stuff
Well i agree that we should all move on from our religion at a point in our lives but it is wrong to think that we should ban religion completely..There will always be people that need the idea of a greater existense and furthermore, through religion people learn some basic values that helps them become more human and live peacefully in a society.Religion helps you attain those values and when you do, you are ready to move on
You're right, against is a strong word. We need to have that values not because some divine entity punishes us, but because is just cruelty against others who deserve to live as much as us. That's what I mean.
@@icoperp Yes man that is exactly how I think about it too!! 😁
I'm pleasantly surprised as much as you my friend.
Discrimination isn't good either is religion. Good people do good things, bad people do bad things. It takes religion to get good people to do bad things. Let's focus on proper education and critical thinking skills for all and hopefully we can get rid of discrimination and religion at the same time.
Religious diversity and tolerance is certainly to be respected, until it comes up against what one would normally consider harming of a person or group. If your religion demands that I not take sex ed classes, cannot marry this or that person, to wear a condom or not, to get proper medical attention, or when it interferes with someone else or a group purely for ideological and emotional reasons, then you are in the wrong and 'tolerance' and 'freedom' ends right there.
All ideas and tales should be question equally.
I agree on one side & disagree on another.
I do think standing up against bullies is very import, but the reason a person is being bullied should not matter. It's a bullshit thing to do either way, no need to limit this to religion.
Next up I'd like to ask sincerely: what were the reasons your peer group did not discuss religion. In my experience religions to not exactly encourge discourse no matter how important that may be.
The one thing I heavily disagree with here is the all positive approach. Religion has again and again shown to produce harm, limit thinking & divide. If a friend of mine does that the last thing I'm gonna do is reininforce their action.
"Positively engaging that diversity" is not intergration. It is contributing to encouraging pockets of " the permanently different " by way of validation that very often leads to conflict. The seeker-outers, instead of adopting at least the visual attempt at intergration, try to forcibly turn their adoptive land into a replica of what they left behind, demanding and not giving, trying to destroy what is "different " to them by forcing the secular to bow down to their very own ideas which are governed by their own religious beliefs. The differences dictate the degree to which intergration can be effective. For some it it goes as far as to mean " reverse integration." Is that a positive engagement? No.
You skirted about why you didn't help your Jewish friend. Could it have been that your personal religious indoctrination took over. " Give me a child until he is three years old and I have him for life!"
Moments of profound weakness are not uniquely to be found in defending a friend whom is being religiously discriminated against by a pack of hooligans. Finding courage to lay your life down for a friend, because that is what it COULD have been, is the greatest sign of love.
" Greater love hath no man than this; than to lay down his life for a friend." You don't have to be religious to believe in this.
Your Father was right. What happened to the son?
And if the same situation should again arise, whose side would you choose especially if you had to take the stand AGAINST those of the same religious beliefs among whom you are standing?
Criticism of any religion isn't a 'phobia' full stop.
Were they attacking him because of his etnicity or because of his adherence to Judaism?
some great comments here (for a change) so I'm only going to add - Keep Your Religion Out of MY Government Rights! Period. America is becoming far too theocratic right now and that is very dangerous!
What if you think all religions are dangerous?
What if religion has nothing to do with danger, and the only true danger is belief as opposed to faith. Good faith is the ideal upon which this world was built, without contract or honour of word. The only reason society functions is from fear of repocussion. Once population size exceeds capacity to maintain, which will happen in a world without modesty. Then the police will lack the power to maintain repocussion. How full are prisons already!!! Then society turns into mob mentality.
@@Rapist_Movement What is the evidence that a world without religion would be without "contract", "Honour", or would cause a "mob mentality"? I don't see the evidence myself. I don't see how you can even make the claim.
And whilst it's true that religion has helped shape the world, I'd argue it has not led us to a great place. Poverty, avarice, slavery, wars - all have come from those professing a religious leaning.
It's not true to state society only works from the fear of repercussion. Our own well-being ought to be enough. As is empathy, compassion, and love. Man is a social animal. We do not need God for that, it's innate within us.
@@MaterLacrymarum no its a passive effect created by empathy, and society as an organisms own need to maintain its survival. Society does not teach people to care about anyone but those they love. Government does not have power over the people, hence one of the biggest problems in democracy. With exception to sympathy the needs of a minority will always be outweighed my the desires of a majority. That in and of itself is deprivation and neglect. Whilst you may ask for evidence I point you to every movie you have ever seen when civilisation hits a rough spot. Looting and rioting are behavior committed by a percentage, what factors do you think are responsible for determining those impacts. As an example I point out the fact that trump became the leader of the most powerful country in the world from peoples own favouratusm for what is bad for them. The population itself needs parenting, and an influence to limit immideration. Besides if you want to talk about slavery there are millions of people born into slavery and denied the right to even discuss the fact they are slaves, and rely on using religion to explain there actions to avoid wars starting in regards to matters which are classified because talking about why people commit crimes against females isn't pc, America is built on slavery. It's responsible for the mental health crisis which is killing a son of man once every hour in America. In addition to causing and is thereby responsible for the rapes of more than 300 000females a year, one of which is raped in India once every ten minutes.
@@MaterLacrymarum if you want evidence that people don't feel empathy look psychopaths they make up a huge percentage of politicians
@@Rapist_Movement Being a psychopath is a diagnosis from a professional of the medical establishment. I have no idea how you come up with the statement that "they make up a huge percentage of politicians". I'd just mention, a huge percentage of politicians in the US consider themselves Christians.
1:20 well the problem is that theres a bully and you let it happen. not that his religion was the target. also at 4:25 that is letting religion define death; a state that happens to every animal. not a good idea to take power from the doctor and hand it to the unqualified.
एक बार पुनः स्थिर सरकार देश को मिली है, यह करोड़ों भारतीयों का भाग्य है. यह राष्ट्रीय शक्तियों की विजय है.
लोकतंत्र की इस विजय की यात्रा में जिन जिनका योगदान रहा उन सभी का अभिनंदन. लोकतंत्र का आदर्श विश्व के सम्मुख एक बार पुनः प्रस्तुत हुआ है.
हम विश्वास व्यक्त करते हैं कि नूतन सरकार जन सामान्यों की भाव-भावनाओं के साथ ही इच्छा - आकांक्षाओं को भी पूर्ण करने में सफल सिद्ध होगी.
सम्पन्न निर्वाचन प्रक्रिया के साथ ही समस्त कटुताएं समाप्त हों और विनम्रता के साथ व्यक्त जन भावनाओं का स्वागत हो.
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Narendra Modi Won !! 💐
He is laughing at how dumb my fellow Indian citizens are 🤣🤣🤣
@@Zeegoku1007 IDGAF 🤙🏻 Haters Spotted..!
@@nsnishants
Hater ? No way... I am a big fan of Modi tbh 🤣
Bcz I really like vicious people who enjoy playing with weak and idiots like a fiddle 🤣🤣
Gandhi's and others are so boring lmao 🤣
Stand up for yourself
The same advice should be given to gay people
it’s better to be unbias and discriminate equally
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum.
Benedícta tū in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus.
Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae.
Ámen.
Thumbs up as i support the conversation and disagree a lot with the respect given to Buddhist definition of death. We have objective evidence based standards for life that should be respected above others.
what do you call a mexican who had his car stolen
Carlos
I am all for "positively engaging religious diversity", but there is an extent to which people are tolerant, as with any subject. If my grandpa stopped breathing and was a decaying corpse sitting in the hospital, it should not matter what my beliefs on death are, this decaying corpse of my grandpa is a threat to others in the hospital with compromised immune systems and is a waste of hospital resources.
Being overly sensitive in this, albeit ridiculous, scenario would be harmful. When bad evidence (faith) is taken into the public domain, where it effects others, and treated as if it were on a level field with good evidence (scientific observation) it should rightly be called into question.
America is becoming more and more secular and moving away from religion, despite what this speaker may think. Those that are coming to this country harboring what ever religious beliefs they have should be free from persecution and bullying. Yet these same people must also understand that this society will not accept bad evidence over good evidence and that society will not drop everything to conform to their personal religious beliefs.
That's not even to scratch the surface on what is the difference between a cult and a religion? History? Length of time? By all accounts Scientology is just as much of a religion as any Abrahamic religion, yet only 1 of these gets a negative stigma. And for some reason I very much so doubt that Mr. Patel here would rush to defend the scripture that was written by a sci-fi writer who is on record saying, "the easiest way to get rich is to form your own religion" and then did just that and got very rich.
Stand up for the right to criticize that religion as well. We can talk how Islam (as a doctrine) preaches hate; as all religions do, Christianity, etc. It needn't be "respected" in the sense that you have to agree with what is preached. Muslims, Christian, Jews, can all be good, but that doesn't mean that the doctrine is.
I think all religions need to be put back in their place, if you look around the world they have control of so many countries and politics. In fact the ones that have religious rules as law are the most violent.
Just here for the comments :)
carpo719
Always an interesting exercise.
Anything "above" criticism is dangerous...
It seems people in the comments are either missing the point or just making this abt themselves.
The point of the video is to say that people shouldnt be discriminating against religious people. *No this doesnt include your right to criticize the religion, we all get it.*
Stories are too vague to think much about. “Anti-Semitic” seems to mean a lot of very different things these days.
No, stop telling me what to do. Discrimination is a sign of intelligence. It's what marketers do to target an audience. Here comes Big Think attempting to dumb-down its audience, again, with its authoritative liberal narratives.
Psy-op failed, we'll get em next time
Stand up for people in your life. Religion was kinda shoehorned in there
Wow. So bad to be this person. Being abused but being abused and everyone just getting by with it...
First off, discrimination is a normal thing it doesn’t mean hate, it lets you know not to eat make up or soap because that isn’t animal fat that’s good to eat. For religions it’s looking at the people of the religions and saying, ok these Christians aren’t attacking people they are okay standing up for their faith but these Islam have jihads blowing them selves up let’s keep some distance from those ones. It’s objective categorization for ones own well being.
2:22 likes LGBTQ, Christians, and women
"The common people find religion true, the wise find it false, the rulers find it useful". Right now, our ruler(s) find if very useful. Our founding fathers kept religion out of government for a very wise reason which they learned through experience. You can not have religion in government period. One religion will eventually win out and rule over all and enforce their beliefs into the law of the land. Just look what is happening right before your eyes with this administration. Trump and his ilk are no more religious than my dog but, they find they can use religion to help gain and keep power.
*Detach from everything and become a self-reliant unit,* who doesn't draw the sense of self from surroundings.
I suggest you detach yourself from food & water for a good month or so.
3:30 this is why we have SCIENCE AND MEDICINE.
I am all for free speech but I don't agree with attacking someone personally because you don't agree with their beliefs. Criticise the Jew for their stated beliefs, if you want, but don't stoop to calling that person infantile names and indulging in slurs. Personal respect trumps all other considerations in a civil society as far as I am concerned.
It is easy to talk aboat religious tolerance in christian civilisation. Try that in non-christian civilisations. Religious tolerance is invented in christian civilisatio.
Why would we accept things that are not true or detrimental to social or individual development? Religion is now the cause of half the bad things in the world. And religious accepting others religions is the dumbest thing!!! I don't mean you need to be mean or mistreat religious people but we cannot accept what is not true and most of the time harmful. We need people that are able of critical thinking, free of personal development and such...
Hard to Swallow Truth Pills:
1.Not all religions are the same
2.Some are objectively more dangerous than others
3.All religions are make believe
StevenGaspard your right there are many more pedophiles in the Catholic Church than any other
Spot on
@@grimmreality5251
Yep. That's true.
What's also true is Islam PROMOTES paedophilia as MUHAMMAD had a child bride.
Also chapter 65 verse 4 allows sex with minors.
Buddhism > Christianity > Islam
I've never heard of people being stoned to death in the name of Buddha. 🤷♀
Blackman Cool9 you do realise that most states in the USA allow old men to marry 13 year old girls?? And many marry multiple young girls. Maybe look at your own backyard before bitching about others.
I loved hearing from this person.
You say the race of each person until you get to what I assume are white people. Which means white means person and the others are people with a qualifier. Check your internal racism, there’s no telling how else it’s affecting you.
i believe in batman. he will save our city from evil.
Then you believe in false hope and you will go to hell for it
@@marianodavid2437
@@emperorSbraz batman or what u mean the devil cant touch me cause I'm a Son of God and I'm under his protection.
@@marianodavid2437 no see batman is above your false god because it's the thing i believe in. logic. :D
@@emperorSbraz God is bigger then logic and above science. Something your little brain cant understand goodbye God bless
Fine.... As long as they are my religion
should be just Stand up against religion
shouldnt i mock the ideas of anti vaxxers and flat earthers
You should mock the ideas of anti vaxxers and flat tards. They are a evolutionary dead end.
When you mock anti-vaxxers and flat earthers you're really mocking non-conformism, mocking skepticism.
Are you really any better off than religious nutters that attack people for not having faith in the thing they believe should be held up as authority, the bible? When you mock people for not having faith in some nameless faceless scientists you've never looked into and the authority you believe they have... What is it you're really criticising about them? It's worth thinking about.
@Lost Hero what you just posted is not an argument
@@aprilhart4810 "When you mock anti-vaxxers and flat earthers you're really mocking non-conformism, mocking skepticism."
Skepticism is important.
Skepticism is why Flat earthers are and anti-vaxxers do not have political power right now. As in Flat earthers at one point did.
Anti-Vaxxers, I do not think ever had power.
They are a dangerous by product of theism.
If flat earthers, and anti-vaxxers had a good ideas. We would call the ideas, facts.
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"Are you really any better off than religious nutters that attack people for not having faith in the thing they believe should be held up as authority, the bible?"
YES a resounding YES! I am better off than the religious nutters. My lack of a belief has opened up door ways in my life. That I would never had taken. If I choose to keep my beliefs.
"When you mock people for not having faith in some nameless faceless scientists"
I am not mocking people for a nameless faceless scientist.
What am I doing?
What happened to the dinosaurs? They died off. They died off because they where not capable of surviving in the same climates as the mammals.
Theists ideas cannot coexists with atheist ones.
So please April Hart do not step in our way.
Most flat earthers are right-wing Christians. Most anti-vaxxers are left-wing and secular.
How broad is your definition of religion?
This is so wrong in so many ways.
-The doctor knows when someone is dead, not religion.
- We do not have to adapt our education, health care, whatever to religion - quite the opposite
- Pls let me know when and where there was such a thing as religion diversity, without massive human suffering
Enough with these ancient believes systems, please
well spoken.
I think you misses the point but ok.
That is not what he meant..Of course the doctor is right, but the point is that you shouldnt impose your belief system( even if its better) because everyone has the right to belive in whatever he wants.
@@UserUnknown123__ exactly the point
@@UserUnknown123__ If I told you that jumping off a building would most likely fallow with your death. Would that be imposing my beliefs on to others? Yes it would. Would it be morally correct to do so. YES IT WOULD.
Telling the religious to piss the fuck off. Is morally correct because being religious is a danger to your health.
Naa Let's learn to channel them into "None" Get real. Grow up.
Standing up against religious discrimination and positively engaging with different religions are not the same thing. I'm all in favour of the former; I personally enjoy the latter, but I wouldn't tell other people they should too.
ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIVE BUT THAT YOU BELIVE BECAUSE ALL THE BIG RELIGIONS HAVE INSANE INHUMAN IDEAS... Its not that hard
Sure you should have helped your friend. But that is just about someone getting bullied and the fact it was about religion is just a coincidence.
Of course people dont discuss religion tho with friends of different religions. Because it couldnt possibly go well. Its all equally stupid made up shit that one guy believes and the other 7 know its nonsense. But youre supposed to respect it anyway. I do not see how i could have an open discussion about somebodys religion and be both honest and nice at the same time...
No mention of the atheist? Not a religion but there is a lot of people who are discrimined and shunned for it.
Your jew friend was not under jizya which means you were not under any obligation to stand up for him.
I will respect people as they are but not their ridiculous beliefs
It's good to be sensitive to people as we're all in different levels of understanding which can't be helped. And yes it's condescending to be that way. But simply giving into supernatural beliefs isn't necessarily beneficial. Kids can get along, but adults are driven by the passion of experience. Talk to a kid, and they'll have love for humankind no matter their beliefs. Talk to an adult who's experienced struggle, and you will find a harsh will to segregate, and coerce others to fit their narrative. You're a unique person Eboo, but you have one experience that doesn't count for very much in the history of humankind.
Is there anyone who can mention one benefit of religion?
It is a proven way to hold societies together.
They teach responsibility and promote good work ethics, and they give too and unite communities. The amount of private donations to charity and the homeless in the U.S. is massive.
Also, Christian Universities are bastions of free thinking and freedom compared to their secular counterparts in the modern day. (ignoring religious topics)
Even as an Atheist I can see that.
@@SymmetricalDocking I'm sorry but what? Are you seriously saying that a Christian University is a Bastion of free thinking? Really? That's a load. Also everything that you've mentioned, there's a secular counterpart for those. The thing is, religious order is not actually needed because we do have secular counterparts for everything you've mentioned. Also, last I checked in Christian universities they don't seemed to do well when it comes to the topic of atheism, or any other religion other than their own For that matter. They seem to be more preoccupied with strawmanning other religions and religious beliefs For their own purposes. They seem to think that we're all devil worshippers and we're all going to hell simply because we don't believe what they believe. So I'm sorry, but you're a bit misinformed. And of course a bit biased.
@@unusefulidiot I think most African countries and some Asians would disagree with you.
Moreover, this union is usually manipulated by a supposed external enemy: If other people do not believe in our religion, they are not part of our group.
@@SymmetricalDocking That heavily depends on the school. What we need as a society is for religion to be taught as philosophy, not literally. As well as understanding that no religion has all the necessary answers in life, and that diversifying and expanding ones views should be encouraged more.
Nauseating Apologetics ...... _there is a _*_BIG_*_ difference between Kosher religion per-se and an historically invasive_ ... *proto - fascist - political - theocracy*