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Can I Still Prove MacReady Is The Thing? Let’s Go Over The Responses
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Join me as I go over some of the many comments left behind on my previous theory video over The Thing and how MacReady was the thing in the end. My theory has been under alot of scrutiny, rightduly so, but today, I will be giving my rebuttal to all the debunks and questions given to me.
The Thing's community is passionate and I love that. Lets keep this classic alive and in the minds of all new comers and old comers alike!
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0:00 Real Intro
2:40 Short Attention Span Intro
3:32 Speed Run Of Easy Comments
4:58 Alcohol Is A Disinfectant?!
6:10 Blair's Eraser
7:37 Sneeze And Infect
8:27 Putting Childs' Breath Theory To Rest
9:47 Earring As Edvidence?
10:18 "Wrong Glove Stupid" - Everyone
12:27 The Coats Matter?
13:21 Blair's Theme Song?
14:22 "John Carpenter Said..."
16:24 The Comic and The Game
22:57 Why Not Bennings?
24:46 The Blood Scene/My Crux
26:42 Why Not Assimilate Fuchs?
28:45 Blair Too Smart To Share Food and Drinks
30:08 MacReady's Character And Behavior
33:38 Why Destroy The Final Boss?
36:03 My Question To You
37:33 Childs' Outcome
38:21 It's Still Just A Theory
39:58 Outro
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Twist ending: MacReady was just a psychopath who enjoys drinking gasoline and wanted everyone else to drink gasoline then as they got high on gasoline one-by-one they all shared gasoline induced hallucinations. That's how Fuchs burned so much, MacReady knew Fuchs was secretly consuming high-octane gasoline and didn't want to share. That's why Blair was building a vehicle, the natural companion to gasoline. That's why they did the blood test using a hot poker, to see how well they each combust. Moral of the story: Use gasoline responsibly.
😱😱😱 I didn't even think of that
Game changer
Okay, this is my most favorite theory from now on xD Ahahahaha! Awesome!
It just shows how amazing this movie is, that decades later, almost half century, we still discussing the plot and mystery
Yep. It is ahead of its time while also being timeless. I love it!
I would describe this film's narrative as "perfectly crafted ambiguousness". It's over 40 years old, and yet even younger generations can still have fun with it. Coming up with theories. Discussing them. Debating them. Insulting and attacking each other over them... It's great!
For real. I agree 🤣
Until you play the companion sequel games or listen to the commentary before it became fun to troll or make hypothesis.
Mac isn't infected but it's fun to pretend.
Completely agree.
I watched it when first released, on a driven-in big panel, from a balcony of a hotel in San Diego. No other vacationers cared or discovered the view. The audio was still fed thru those old school metal speakers so the audio was clear. Was great!
At 14 ,I then had to wait for the vhs "viral" phenomenon to help make this the famous revolution . 👋
Childs is standing there with a flame thrower. That’s why human Mac (or Mac Thing) doesn’t attack him. Look close.
true they don't make anything near this good right now....
Maybe the real friends were the things we turned into along the way.
🤣🤣 the closest of friends
@@2DimmMedia you know there has to be some messed up rule 34 stuff about how close Childs and MacCready got at the end. Real close friends, like the room mate your aunt keeps bringing along to Thanksgiving.
There has to be, but I'm not gonna research that 😂😂
Now there is@@jaykaye594
Man. That sequel was *so good* right up until the post production guys got hold of it. The entire point of making the film in the first place was a special effects team wanting to show off their practical effects skills, so they bought the rights and made this movie to present their incredible skills. It was all amazing. They didn't find out until the movie premier that all their hard work had been covered over by shabby CG. Like, not even good for 2011 CG, just totally phoned in. Aaaaand they never got work again. If you haven't seen any, watch some documentaries about the making of the 2011 Thing. It's so much lost potential.
Oh I know. I have gone on a whole tanget about the sequel but decided to cut it out.. it was too much of a digression.. I fully agree cg killed it
@@2DimmMediaso there is a 2011 Thing version with animatronics instead of CGI? That's so depressing.
I agree. We still get to see their excellent practical work during that autopsy scene near the beginning.. but alas, everything else afterwards though, is yeah.. bland cg.
It's a prequel
@@user-wr1yb5fb6o Right, but I was more referring to it as the next movie in the series rather than the previous movie in the story.
I've watched this film over and over and over, one of my favorites and I never added all this up! Holy crap MACREADY was the THING!
Now go back and watch it! It makes it a whole new movie!
Unlike movies like Alien, another one of the greatest Horror films ever made, where we're only shown 2 or 3 seconds of the Xenomorph gliding through the corridors or salivating in close up getting ready to strike, or Brucie in JAWS only being shown for a few seconds max at a time, forcing us to fill in the blanks in our imaginations, The Thing shows us everything. It lingers to such an extended degree of Horror that the Horror becomes the How's and Why's and Who's!
Many people regard The Thing as a Whodunit, but it's actually about Suspicion and Paranoia. There's no real way of knowing who is The Thing at any given time unless explicitly shown. As many theories that naturally abound about all of the Red Harrings of the story, all we can really know for sure is that we can never really know for sure, such is the brilliance of The Thing.
Correct
My Dad said people were freaking out in theaters and even running out sick when Alien first came out
Came from your last Thing video and was glad to hear some of these explanations.
Two things I noticed on a rewatch that you didn't address, one being much more important than the other:
#1: Everybody automatically assumes the "dirty drawls" that were found came from Palmer after he assimilated. However, Mcready can be seen wearing the exact same longjohns in the opening sequence of the film under his grey shirt. In fact, just about every character is wearing this type of cloth. His labeled vest was obviously mangled and re-hidden after being discovered by fuchs, but nobody talks about the undergarments. Mcready is seen inspecting them by the radio before throwing them in the trashcan when the doctor calls him to the store room. This leads me to my second observation..
#2: NAULS was the one to find the torn up undergarments when he rolls into the lounge and says "who left their dirty drawls in the kitchen trash can?"... the next time we see what we can only assume to be the same garments are mcready throwing them away in the radio room. However, when we return to mcready's next radio diary scene, there's more drawls on his desk and he is again inspecting them, concluding it tears through your clothes. He tells the radio that WINDOWS found the shredded longjohns. He's either lying, has bad memory, or is referring to an off-screen scene where windows indeed finds additional clothes.
I might be over-analyzing but i felt that was the only stone left unturned with your videos. Seriously great work man, i enjoyed diving back into this.
Thank you for these observations! I'll have to look back at it again with this in mind!
I feel either mcready is the thing because in the prequel it didnt know how smart humans are at detective work and learned from its mistakes and it makes sense to act the most paranoid and infect the bottle at the end.
OR
They both are human and if indeed alchohol is somthing that the thing disliks Childs taking adrink confirms he is human and Mcready chuckles realizing he doesnt have to die the only human and the music at the end just empathizes the reaization they still lost to the thing. The thing still has blood and parts of itself undiscovered or forgotten in the area that can just reassemble itself at a later time when people come to investigate.
Great video both this one and the one before. I agree tiktok brain attention span ruins appreciation for a lengthy explanation. Well done
I’ve seen your original video a few times and it’s a fascinating theory. 👍
It's certainly well thought out.
Thank you! I worked hard on both!
Honestly I can see either way, and even see a theory that neither of them are infected. Its such a great movie
I've only watch your video 2-3 times but i always watched the entire thing. I've always heard one side to the theories but the McReady is the Thing is new and well crafted.
Happy to hear that! I appreciate the support and I am glad to bring this theory to more people
I LOVE THIS MOVIE. I literally play it going to sleep almost every night.... for like almost 2 years now. That's like over 500 times, I do fall asleep early on but still that's alot. I treat this movie as a murder-mystery where paranoia is just as much as an enemy as the alien Thing is. We start off with 12 humans, well 14 but the Norwegians quickly die so down to 12. Bennings gets assimilated and burned, down to 11. Fuchs dies somehow, 10. Norris fakes death from a heartattack(presumedly) and kills Copper, now 8. Clark gets shot in the face, 7. The Palmer thing kills Windows and gets set on fire and TNT'd, down to 5. Nauls and Garry both get assimilated by Blair Thing, down to 3. MacReady blows up the combined Blair, Nauls, Garry Thing, now just 2. The murder mystery no longer matters, its just 2 now and we know MacReady knows if this Thing gets loose it'll be doom for the whole planet so the game is up, it doesn't matter if Childs is the Thing or is human.... the only way to MAKE SURE 100% without a doubt is to both burn themselves up, blow themselves up, and leave nothing. So why the conversation? at this point its not a mystery, its a search n destroy. If MacReady was human he would've instantly killed Childs with the revolver he has on his hip he's carried the last half of the movie, BLAMMO shoot Childs in the face then burn his body to be sure..... but he doesn't... he talks to him. Strange. The Thing has a natural need for self-preservation, and KNOWING it has no way out now it just wants to "die" and freeze to death that way the rescue team can find the frozen body so not instantly killing each other at the end and just accepting a slow freezing to death IS THE WAY TO CONTINUE LIVING. Now the one thing MacReady knows NOT to do is to SHARE MOLECULES, yet he hands Childs the bottle. Childs KNOWS not to share molecules as well so a human Childs would NEVER accept it, that's like rule number-fucking-1 is DO NOT SHARE MOLECULES. Also another theme present is the human action of suicide, something The Thing cannot do because of it's need for self-preservation. MacReady figured this out when he saw the frozen Norwegian with his neck and wrists slit in the Norwegian camp. Suicide is the ONE ACTION that the Thing CANNOT DO, and its the one thing MacReady is absolutely ready to do multiple times in the film. So by "accepting fate" and MacReady saying "lets just wait here a while, see what happens" is basically the opposite of what the search n destroy mission's goals are which is to find and BURN the Thing so nothing remains. If MacReady and Childs just wait around and freeze to death instead of burning each other to death then there is a chance The Thing survives, in the frozen body of them. Point is, MacReady should've burned Childs or shot him in the head the INSTANT he saw him at the end: if Childs was human then ok, Childs is dead and throw his body in the fire.... if CHilds was a thing then the bullet wouldn't do anything and he could grab a spare stick of dynamite he had strapped to him and light it and BOOM the Childs Thing is gone.... but if both Childs and MacReady are the Thing then they wouldn't immediately be kill-on-sight but still be playing the murder-mystery game instead of the search n destroy game.... oh who is it idk .... Anyway this is long enough. Something to think about.... suicide is something only humans do in this film and The Thing only tries to survive.... some food for thought.
The dog scene may add credit to this, apparently the thing made the lights not work in the cage, homie left and turned off the light, then returns and the light just doesn't work. Later, Mac uses the light on in his cabin to separate them further. I think the "things" that just start turning into grotesque monsters are extensions to throw the others off, while protecting the primary.
Greetings from Germany! I don't know HOW your videos ended up in my youtube list, but I enjoyed the whole "The Thing" videos very much! Keep up the entertaining work! I really like how much thought and effort you put into this theory, the way you handle all those comments (good ones as well as bad ones), and I really enjoy your sense of humor :D Looking forward to more content from you!
Btw: I'm a believer now! From this day on, I'm in #TeamThingReady
Awesome! Thank you for watching and enjoying! That's awesome!
Starting my watch now, I’ll edit this when I finish with my takeaway.
Yeah, im still not really convinced. I could break it down into details, but it’s really not that important. I really like the theory and you’ve probably heard everything I would say anyway, but the fact is that it’s nice to have differing opinions on the Thing because that was ultimately the intent. The fact that we have two completely different theories with almost equal amount of validity is a testament to how good the movie is. Cheers, I’ll be sure to watch your videos to come.
Thank you! Cheers
liked your past two videos, definitely check out how to edit the coloring/lighting in the editing software youre using though!
Thank you! I also need more lighting. I think that will help tremendously. It's a work in progress 😅
I love this theory. I’m here for it! Looking forward to watching this!
Me too! Have fun!
Brother if found your video yesterday and this one today, so far I can appreciate your logic but I'll have to watch the movie with your perspective on who's the thing and see how it lines up, but you bring up some valid points and logic
Thank you brodie!
This is awesome. I thought it'd be 6 more months or a year before we got this. Lol
You're still doing great. Be as abrasive as you want, your presentation is on point as ever, don't let the haters get you down. 🤘
I'm 48 years old and grew up watching The Thing on video disc (vinyl not laser). My dad used to talk about his own theories every time and I wish he was here to see your videos. He would've loved 'em.
SIMMY JUICE!!!
Thank you! I'll take your advice and yeah, I figured people would think I would take forever 😅 also, your dad sounds like an awesome person!
@@2DimmMedia Are you on X? I went there to share the link and tag you but didn't see you. 🤷♂️
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I have one but not under the media name!
Gotchas. And honestly, the Bennings drinking from the bottle before Macready hole is bigger than the blood test. You already made the point of off-screen take overs AND that he could've had a "pouch" in his finger for human blood (for the deleted scene argument). 🤷♂️
@@2DimmMedia ...and f**k "gamervet". 😂
Your arguments in both vids are very compelling! You have me convinced. I was alwaysbjust content with the mystery myself so injad no real horse in that race. Well done!
Thank you!
Happy for you, loves these kinds of videos. Great theory in the other vid.
Thank you!
More I think about it, it makes sense. During the end, child's is supposedly wearing a different jacket, and he drank a molotov cocktail.
I talk about that. I don't think it's Gasoline. I'm pretty sure it is J&B because he was going to drink it
@2DimmMedia maybe. In your other video, you mention the thing music playing in the beginning, and at the end, when child's takes a sip. It could mean several things, and it's really cool. Could mean child's is now infected, and that's why macready smiles. Could be that child's was already infected and when he takes a sip, he now infects the drink and they likely share the bottle. Or possibly the bottle contains gasoline because they used the bottles for the purpose of burning everything. The possibilities are endless. Also, macready gets beaten by the computer in the beginning, and in retaliation, spills his drink into the computer, killing it. Perhaps when he was defeated (had a flamethrower pointed at and him and not knowing if child's was the thing) poured the drink (gave child's a bottle that possibly could have had gasoline) and that's why he smiles. All really interesting!
This is a pretty elaborate but also compelling theory. The true test is to start watching the movie with the theory in mind and see if it holds. Next time I watch The Thing I'm gonna test it but it looks solid to me. To make it work tho, MacReady would have to be the prime host with the ability to not change like the other infected did. Which is a power The Thing has which was shown from the first scene with the dog. The thing that needs clarification is if MacReady is a separate entity from the dog.
It makes the movie a whole new experience with the theory in mind!
As someone that knows people who work in the medical field, they teach you how to remove gloves without contaminating yourself. It's actually pretty interesting
wow I never noticed that with the Blair music either!
31:51 I think it's also about fear of your own body turning against you.
Just want to point out a glaring flaw with the vid's logic here that you may have overlooked: While I do agree the open and close are nothing to write home about, as they're a bit slow and understated, the core verses of XXX are some fkn fiiirrrreeeeee. Don't skip this one, just scrub to 0:58 and listen to 2:30. You're welcome 👌
Seriously though, glad to see more vids from you, keep up the great work!
I'll give it another chance. Just for you! And thank you!
@@2DimmMedia 🥹 Best case.
I appreciate your wild take even if I don't agree with it. I tend to lean on the idea that Childes and MacReady are both human at the end but neither of them trust each other and are ready to die freezing to keep an eye on each other
Yeah. That would be the best case scenario for the situation. And hopefully that's the case for humans!
If Childs was a Thing then he has no reason to approach MacReady OTHER THAN to kill the last human left at the outpost.
Which he doesn't do. He approaches MacReady because he wants to have a chat with him about what a whacky day they've had.
And if MacReady was a Thing then it makes sense that he would keep up the disguise - Childs is armed with a flamethrower, after all.
But why tell the truth about there being no other survivors? Tell Childs that, oh, I dunno, Nauls is still out there so we need to go look for him.
Anything to get Childs to turn his back so a MacReady Thing can attack.
But MacReady doesn't do that. He just sits down, shares a drink, and waits to freeze solid.
And if BOTH were Things they wouldn't be having THAT conversation. They'd be talking about Thing... err.... things.
They are both human.
That bottle being brought out of the shelter, macready was in and playing chess is all the proof I need that he is the thing. No normal person, even alcoholic person grabs a bottle of alcohol while running out to see why a guy is shooting at something. Childs was likely the alien, too. But changed later.
I honestly can't prove if Childs is or isn't the thing. He's gone for so long so it's absolutely possible both are at the end!
Although I don't agree with your theory, the 4D chess play by play is an amazing interpretation! Well done! They beauty of the movie is you can insert almost any character into the 4d chess model, with evidence and theory and still make the theory work. It's a MASTER class in writing!
But no, Childs is def the Thing! Hahaha!
Yes. The movie is a master piece. And he honestly could be The Thing. 🤷♂️
First, great follow-up to your 1st vid. Good job supporting your views with details from the original move, I think your findings are plausible.....but not probable. Hopefully some of these things get cleared up if there is a sequel. Second, my son introduced me to "Don't hug me I'm scared".....it's like a high-fever nightmare (but hilarious). Third, your camera-man is awesome.
Thank you! Yes, Dont Hug Me I'm Scared absolutely feels like a fever dream 🤣 And yeah, my camera guy is very awesome, he appreciates that!
I just watched both videos today, and I only had one big problem with the first one that you mostly fixed with the second. That problem being is the egregious amount of cussing that was probably for sure going to get the video demonetized lol both video are badass and I like the theory, glad you at least had noises to bleep out the words this time 😂
Thank you! And yeah, that is the plan for future videos! Luckily I didn't cus the first minute of the first video. But this is CZcams and alot of people cuss. Maybe in the future, I'll remove sensors. But for now, I'm keeping it. Plus I love the roblox OOF sound 🤣
Your analysis is spot on! Macready was changed after he signed off on the tape.
The JB bottle is in that scene waiting for him to take a gulp.
Thank you!
So someone mentioned that he lies on the tape. The timeliness of the storm doesn't add up to what is currently going on (no storm yet). I might do an update video talking about it
I gotta watch these again; while there were a few stretches and things I disagree with, I do think there’s some compelling points I hadn’t thought of and I admire your audacity. It really says something about this film’s perfectly crafted ambiguity that people still debate about it 40+ years later.
Yes. This film is a mater piece because of the Ambiguity. Chefs kiss
That intro was a banger! And I like your fresh take on "The Thing". If you have any takes on "Late Night with the Devil" I would love to see that.
I actually have considered doing a video on it... and your comment might be the one to push me to do it
If MacReady is the Thing, it stands to reason that the hot wire blood test is a ruse: not actually effective at detecting Things. Remember that the test is MacReady's idea. It makes no sense for him to teach the humans how to detect him.
The "successful positive" blood test is easily explained through sleight of hand; MacReady-Thing shoots the tendrils out of his hand.
He sacrifices the other Thing to save himself, while simultaneously teaching the humans a fake Thing-detection method which seems conclusively proven effective.
Yeah. I felt that sleight of hand was a good theory, but alot of people dismissed the idea but I can easily see him doing it. Like swapping the petri dish with a pre placed one. And the thought of it not being a true test and a ruse is an idea I hadn't considered 🤔
No, not switching the dishes. He sticks the wire in blood, which doesn't do anything because the test is fake. Then he just shoots goop out of his hand at the same time so it looks like the test did something.
@@2DimmMedia Why would it even React. It can Tolerate Pain or it would have reacted as soon as they cut his Finger. The Whole Prozess of detaching its own Head must be as Painful as being Burned. Even Parts without a Brain can React Smart. Or the not Burned stuff inside one of them Could have just come out and take a New Shape. Jet it Waited inside of the Body before making its Move.
_That's_ good. This would imply all the different "Things" don't agree on stuff which would support our host's theory as to why MacReady would blow up the other one.
But that's one hell of a leap in logic. No one else was around when Mac blew it up. & if they spread through infecting each other, how were there *other* "Things." They'd all be descendants of _one_ Thing. So this requires leaps in logic the narrative doesn't provide any background for.
He wouldn't blow up the other Thing. This theory can't support that. & it's _really_ unlikely that he exposes how to detect them. If anything, the symbolism of the alcohol might be that it _prevents_ the spread of the Thing. It's been protecting him all along.
@@ChewsCarefully it is still a hypothesis.
For the game, the bit about the clothing being replicated as well is likely a plot device/design choice to explain how members of your team (often after just having passed a blood test if you were administering them strategically, which made NO sense other than to force confrontations, such as boss fights etc where teammates passed tests just before going in but still zerged after entering etc) suddenly being infected but looking exactly the same in areas where no clothes would reasonably be available.
It would also save them a buttload of programming/character modelling & the likes by making their "turn" instances simpler, too (granted, I played on the PS2, not PC, but still likely why that change - which DOES directly contradict the movie)
Also, the ending theme song when you beat it ("The World Is After Me" by Saliva, IIRC) kinda slapped & was oddly suiting IMHO (paranoia theme, esp'ly if you've had a teammate with a 9mm & a bad day go full [metal jacket] Private Pyle in the bathroom during a playthrough)~
Yeah that all makes sense to me! You excited about the remaster of the game coming out? I am
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I actually hadn't heard of the remake TBH...but you can bet your sweet simmy juice I am NOW, LMFAO!!!
Absolutely gonna buy it. I used to dislike game remakes intensely until Resident Evil (OG GameCube version...that was AMAZING - Resident Evil 0 too. Up til then it was basically unheard of to have gameplay about the same quality as cinematic sequences. Before then you could generally just tell by screenshots or back of box which was gameplay or video at a glance. The NGC RE-Make & the [then] new RE0 were some of the 1st to change that, at least for higher resolution games on console, anyway. Also VERY impressive considering the NGC was outclassed by PS & XBox in power & colour palette. I bought an NGC JUST for RE-Make, RE0 & Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes. $ well spent)
With Dead Space, Metal Gear ∆ & now the news of a The Thing remake on the slate it seems getting spoiled with absolute BANGERS is in store for the future/can't WAIT.
(Totally unrelated, but have you heard of a game called The Lies of P? It's a Souls-Like game based off Pinocchio...but more the OG one [where Gepetto, which means "God will increase" in Italian nomenclature, is imprisoned & the townsfolk go all Frankenstein's Monster & hang Pinocchio]...I found it to be an interesting take all-around. Though in Collodi's OG tale I would ABSOLUTELY KOS Jiminy if he was as annoying as he was in the game, rather than just being the nagging voice of reason/conscience...though IIRC in the book that just resulted in Jiminy haunting him & being dead it's 24/7 now & the lil F*er doesn't even need to sleep anymore)
I also gotta get around to reading the OG short story inspirations to The Thing..."Who Goes There?" & I forget the other one (I THINK it was "Friend or Foe?", but I have to look it up to be sure) that was a re-write before The Thing was, well...a "thing"...
Side note: I never noticed the Nauls significance. TBH I had always figured Childs was The Thing or neither (never really figured both), but as I watched the plausibility rose quite a bit...especially killing Fuchs, going for Nauls after the info Fuchs gave & if he indeed infected Blair (who WROTE the hypothesis Fuchs shared with MacReady as well as the sealed food etc recommendation), particularly with MacReady then not sharing said info with anyone while blatantly ignoring that (very good & accurate) advice/warning.
I found it very interesting food for thought & potential added depth/subtlety & nuance on a franchise I enjoy VERY much.
Well done~
I have heard of The Lies of P, considering my friends love those kinds of games. I'm not particularly good at soul type games and especially RPG based games. So I haven't had the chance to actually look at the game. But when I have time, I might give it a try!
And yeah, I'm very disappointed in myself that I didn't catch on to the Nauls detail on my first analysis. But it definitely gives more credence to the theory. And I'm glad it was put in the follow up!
Side Note: I need them to remaster iNinja and I absolutely need them to bring Portal 1 and 2 to these next gen consoles. If you haven't played portal, that's another fun puzzle game with a dark secret too! Alot of hidden Easter eggs connecting to an underlying plot not told through the game play
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I know of the Portal games, played a bit of the 1st one ages ago....wasn't there also some weird tie-in to Black Mesa or w/e "The Company" was from Half-Life?
(I seem to specifically remember a relatively gruesome tie-in to another franchise & IIRC the in-universe lore to do with the Portal "gun" or tech was created by them/their scientists...I think it was also possibly a large part of how the enemies appeared, kind of like Phobos Labs from DOOM but spanning 2 different games)
Not what you'd generally expect from a puzzle game, I LOVE that schnikt~
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I vaguely re that, despite only having played a bit of Portal 1, cuz when it came out people balked at the idea...until it turned out to be 100% true. Epic tie-ins done SO subtly, it was a trip~
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...I would also personally love to see the Tenchu series (specifically the 1st 2: Stealth Assassins & Birth of the Stealth Assassins) get remade, as well as the FULL Resident Evil: Outbreak game (not busted up into several files the way they did to maximise sales/profits, which then ended up killing it; full price for what felt like an expansion, apparently 5× as "Files" - similar to how RE: Revelations did Chapters per release, but NOWHERE near as well implemented & like, ZERO advertising...died before File #3 came out. I only knew File #2 existed cuz I randomly saw 1 copy on a shelf & bought it on the spot, which was apparently as common a story as people feeling the pricing was off for what you got, good as it was it was just too small for the price/expansion feel at full-game $, etc)
Enjoyed your theory, the only hole in it for me is why McCready was trying to kill the thing, I know you tried addressing it in this video but its still an issue. I think John Carpenter would have shown us if there was a reason for the thing to killanother thing and theres nothing in the movie to hint why this would happen. Who knows, maybe I will see something on my next watch.
Ok so I came to a realization since I commented on your last video. How would McReady have gotten out alive or gotten a helicopter in the game sequel with his original goggles and hat? If it was one of the helicopters at the research facility then how did he repair it? Maybe he was The Thing assimilated and him picking you up at the end was a trick by the thing because that’s the only explanation I can think of for him being able to repair it. In the movie Blair builds a flying saucer with the parts from the helicopter. Now I’m not so sure anymore. :/
I believe they just wanted to have Macready in the game for a surprise ending. So again like I say in the video, I wouldn't read too deep in the game. But it is an interesting thought experiment if we do consider the game Cannon
Unless Carpenter was involved in the game, which would be unusual for games based on movies, it's not canon.
💡 I think that The Thing is a hive minded monster that was willing to sacrifice it's subjects to protect the main beast which was MacReady, just like the creatures in the ALIENS movie. So that would explain why macready was killing his fellow monsters/subjects in front of the humans to convince them/trick them to believe that he's human, because he was the boss of them💥👍
The first time I watched this movie its crazy because I had no clue who the thing was and definitley didnt think it was mccready wow the whole movies changes with that gonna have to give it another watch now.
You should make more videos like this. They're fun and you have interesting theories. As for those who insulted you just for making a theory video they should remember that when they point on finger there are 3 others that point back at them, it speaks volumes for their characters and not yours, you're cool
Thank you! And I plan to. Currently working on a few. But the research is tedious and takes time
I re watched the thing recently, what I did notice was when they take Blair to the shed & McCready takes a sip of the bottle & puts it down in front of Blair, the camera holds with Blair staring at the bottle for just a touch to long. As in for you to notice it. I think the McCready being the Thing is a pretty solid theory when you watch the whole film.
I'll have to rewatch that scene. But do keep in mind Blair is plastered out his mind 😂 but I'll keep an eye out on that. Thank you!
Excellent follow-up. I appreciate you mentioning the spacecraft being built in Blair's Man/Thing Cave. It's a plot point that, for some reason,is ignored or never brought up in multiple theories until you mentioned it.
Which leads to a vastly different ending. The Thing doesn't want to thrive (through simulation); it wants to survive (long enough) to get off the world. With humans, at both artic facilities being obstacles to that goal.
That said, why didn't it try to return to the crash sight and use the tech from there to help facilitate its departure? It's not like there weren't vehicles at both stations: snow trucks, fixed and rotary wing craft that could have taken it 'home.'
Anyway, you've convinced me that Mac was the Thing, with one pivotal scene that explains his character's actions prior to that scene and the ending. Its when he visits Blair and takes a swig of the bottle. I've been looking for decades to discover when Blair was infected, how I missed that scene is beyond me.
Bravo.
Long live Childs! MacReady is the Thing! I should get that on a t-shirt!
Thank you! Im happy i could help!
Also, funny you say that. In my latest video, I made a shirt for a time out doll that says "Macready is The thing," and I would love to make merch with that. Buuuuttt I don't think universal would be happy with that 😅
@@2DimmMedia Rephrase it; only 'true' fans will know.
-"Mac is a Thing." Mac who, Apple, McDonald's, Gen. MacAuthor? No picks, just a half-empty bottle with frosty blood around the rim.
- "McMurdo Station, where the folks are trustworthy, and assimilation is quick."
-"No one can hear you change at the South Pole."
-"What's worse than freezing? Ask Mac.""
-"Imitation and assimilation are the truest forms of domination."
-"Extrateresterals hate us so much that they would devour us just to get home."
-"Never share toilet paper, especially at McMurdo Station."
-Generic image of a chess piece [pawn]+Bottle of Alchohol+ a Sombrero=a chess piece [Queen]
Alternatively:
-The same equation, but it equals the written words. "Big Trouble," a wink and a nod to Carpenter and Russell's next collaboration and Mac's assimilation.
Sorry, I have spent too many years as a writer. Give me a treatment, and I will run with it.
All of these are great! I especially like "what's worse than freezing? Ask Mac!" 🤣🤣
not sure i buy it, but i'll think about it next time i watch it.
I actually watched this a couple of times cause your first video from 8 months ago was mad interesting. ( Could be wrong on that time frame)
I like the take that you have. It's a great argument. It's not a 1/2 a**, political rant. You did your research and have a factual theory ✌️
Thank you! Glad to hear that! Alot of people think I am making this all up and that I know nothing 🤣
I like the theory. The semi juice is funny, but when you brought it up, I immediately thought of red in The Six Sense. It’s a visual queue for infection.
Also Carpenter is smart enough to be ambiguous enough for multiple interpretations. The truth will only come from him. But again I like this theory.
Of course! And I'm only claiming Mac is a thing. Childs has no on screen proof. Just lack there of for his innocence. So it's a 50/50 if Mac is the thing! And only JC can answer that question
First of all, the original video was great, as well as this follow-up and I really appreciate the deep dive.
Ultimately, my main contention with the theory of an infected MacReady, interestingly enough, comes from the "Fuchs in the lab" scene. In short, from the perspective of film making and storytelling, this is all simply too heavy-handed to serve as a tell to the audience. Think about it this way: in the span of just 7 minutes, we get:
1) MacReady showing up and acting suspicious in the lab
2) The power being cut and someone lurking in the darkness
3) Fuchs finding MacReady's torn long johns
4) Finding Fuchs' body
5) MacReady going alone with Nauls to the shack
6) Nauls returning with more of MacReady's torn clothes
7) MacReady finding his way back to the camp despite the storm
All of these attempts to put suspicion on MacReady in the span of 7 minutes! But also pay attention to when/where in the movie this takes place. This is the transitional moment, at the end of the second act, where the tension is meant to be raised and the audience is made to question all previous assumptions. These events serve to undermine any sense of safety and make the audience suddenly feel as paranoid as the crew. This is the director/screenwriter deliberately trying to make MacReady, as the character the audience formerly trusted, look suspicious and make the audience uneasy. There's no subtlety to it at all. The problem is, as in most good mystery stories, the true villain is almost never who you most suspect, and putting such a big spotlight on MacReady like this is almost guaranteed to mean that he isn't the actual threat we're lead to think he might be.
Assuming MacReady was infected from very early on also causes a lot of potential issues, some of which others have mentioned:
a) Why not infect/assimilate Copper while alone at the Norwegian base?
b) Why not infect Fuchs in the ski dozer?
c) Why not infect Nauls in his shack?
d) Why include details in his recordings about what the crew has learned about the Thing?
e) While it's feasible that MacReady could have "cheated" the blood test...why come up with, and insist upon, the blood test at all? Performing the test only limits its own chances of survival.
f) Why would an infected MacReady act surprised and alarmed when he hears no response from Garry or Nauls in the basement and why kill the Blair-Thing if it's apparent at that point that they have basically won?
In any case, I'm definitely still more convinced that MacReady is human than not at the end. Obviously I don't *know* this (only Carpenter ever will, it seems) but based on what evidence and arguments have been put forth over the years, that's the position I'm forced to take.
So alot of the answers to "Why didn't Mac infect so and so is dismissed by your earlier point. It's a movie and infecting them one by one like that wouldn't make for a compelling paranoia piece. My main question is while the scene can be read as a point to make the audience uneasy on the main character, my counter point is why show Nauls and Windows cut their finger and put blood in the petri dishes on screen. Especially when they arent the one under question? He did that intentionally. So the answer is still up in the air. And you ask why did he come up with the test? He had no choice. It was the only way to prove he wasn't a thing. And he had to sell another thing out to prove it works to add further credence to his innocence. It's all a chess game.
I don’t think ”well it’s necessary for the movie to be interesting” is a solid argument. Very often it’s true; lazy script writers make things happen because they must happen for the story to move forward. However, they should also make sense within the realm of the story itself.
In the case of the Thing, a more appropriate answer to questions like ”why didn’t the Thing simply attack and assimilate everyone within 5 minutes?” is that we don’t know.
We don’t know what the Thing is really capable or incapable of. We don’t know how it views and evaluates the situation. We don’t know if two Things would fight each other and why they would do that.
People forget that mistakes happen. Even stupid ones. Very often mistakes by characters are viewed as plot holes as if the characters should be perfect, logical, and infallible all the time.
Of course, too many convenient mistakes can become jarring. Sometimes writers make characters behave in ways that stretch the belief a little too thin.
”Why didn’t X do Y?” is a question people ask too often with the assumption that not having an answer proves something. It doesn’t.
You addressed some of my points on my comment on the last video but still have some doubts however as i sayed before it is a good theory and i think that neither answer is 100% wright
I agree. That is the takeaway from this movie. Paranoia and not knowing the truth. It is a great movie!
Not even 2 min in. Love the shirt haha. Just had to say that first.
Thank you! I love the series!
Just one problem with this theory: how was the saliva from the gloves on the bottle enough to infect Mac, but touching NorrisThing wasn't enough to infect Windows and Copper?
Because Norris' saliva didn't get in their mouths like the saliva did Mac
An interesting thing about that scene between MacReady and Fuchs (when Fuchs states that they should eat from cans and bottles), is that Fuchs reached for a test tube that seems to probably contain acid, meaning if MacReady was a thing (considering also mentioned that is a possibility that he looked around for witnsses before interacting with Fuchs) he surely would not had assimilated Fuchs then due to the chance of a fight breaking out and alarming other personell from the base
Yep! That also makes sense!
I like the early sentiment that is what you return to. It's a movie, about paranoia, and this is theory not often (never probably) supported. "Proof" isn't an objective truth. Proof is just a evidence, and a preponderance of evidence is only then going to be classified as a fact. We don't outright dispense facts, we just find better evidence that supports another conclusion. The Thing is a fictional work, and so you're not wrong in your thinking. The Thing is SUPPOSED to be about this commentary! That's it's MAIN point! Even if the sequel sheds light, on the this movie, that doesn't invalidate the leading path. If this were historical, the conclusions are no-less profound, even if wrong. So...I like that you remind the viewer this is an analysis; "just a theory". It's just a collection of circumstantial evidence. None of us know with certainty.
Please read because I’m curious about what your response to this is: first off I LOVE this take because you’re right that everyone is concerned about Childs, this is some great out of the box thinking. But I disagree for this reason: Mac gets everyone in the room with him where he’s the only one with a flame thrower during the blood test scene. If he was the thing, why doesn’t he hose the non-things or assimilate them at this time?
He needs a Excuse to get out when the Rescue Team comes. He Destroyed all evidence of the Thing, Blew the Whole Base up wich would explain why everybody is Dead. Not so much if they Find them Tied up in a Row.
I talk about that question in my follow up video. And funny enough, I also mention what @youcanhandlethetruth4695 said as well!
@@youcanhandlethetruth4695 it doesn't anwser the question above
@@lorand5578 It 100% Does. The Thing wants to get out of the frozen Zone. To do that, it needs to be pickt up by a Rescue Team. And IT can not be Put under suspicion of any kind, wich It learned. So all Evidence of the Mutation Bodys, Written Notes etc must be Destroyed. So the Last Survivor Mc Ready/The Thing, can come up with some Excuse of what Happend. If a Team comes into the Camp and finds all Others Burned in a Row, but him. They would immediately Put him into Cuffs and under some "He is Crazy" Why Quarantäne. The Whole Thing hat to look like a Desaster. The Camp was blown up, the THINGs where Buried after Burned, There is no Obvious Evidence any of it ever Happend.
Why would a HUMAN Mc Reedy, not make sure some Proof of it Exists? Just Put a Peace of Flesh into a Jar. So People Beleave him and do not think he was the Murderer.
His Theory of MC Being the Thing is 100% Correct. He only Missed a view Points.
In an interview Kirt Russell described that in the final scene it was a little ad-libbed because no one knew which one was the Thing. Brilliant writing and directing when even the writers and directors use fan theories to figure it out also. 😅
A little adlibed but I'm sure JC picked the lines and takes that fit his vision. Best way to not give the answer away to the actors honestly
This movie was amazing when I first saw it back in 1985 (aged 15) and it immediately wedged itself into my top 5 movies of all time. I've shown it to both of my kids and they totally see why it's a favourite of mine. No matter how many times I've rewatched it (soooo many times) I can't believe how I never picked up on all of these points you put forward... your theory fits more than any I've ever heard and have ever been able to come up with myself... so well, btw, that you have me totally convinced, and for that I thank you sir for putting both these videos of yours together and put your theory firmly out there (despite all the haters).
Thanks again🥰
Thank you! I truly appreciate that!
This is off-topic but I watched the 1988 The Blob the other day and wondered (had a weed thought) who would win in a face-off between it and the Thing. Obviously, if it took place out in the cold, the Blob loses. Otherwise, could the Thing survive long enough inside of the Blob to assimilate it? Could one of the Thing's methods of assimilation even withstand the acidic nature of the Blob at all? The speed at which both do their "business" seems to be pretty inconsistent as well, making it harder to gauge. Thoughts, anyone?
What an interesting debate 🤔
The best comment here xD
Guys look up Scripted By Machines where A.I. tries to answer these questions. Here is what would happen if Xenomorphs fought The Thing. It answers your question about acid for blood amd the comments are informative as well!
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I hope the link is OK to include if not I apologize.
I couldnt pay attention to what you were saying, I was distracted by neckbeard
I’m onboard all the way. Both videos delve right into an amazing theory I believe to be true and proven. Thanks
No problem! And thank you!
So the original movie came out in 1951 based off a book from the 1940’s. John Carpenter’s version is actually much more similar to the original book.
The most interesting thing in the book that is never started in both movies is that you don’t really become “The Thing” until you die. Now a more interesting theory is that MacReady never died but does know he is infected.
In the book everyone doesn’t know they are infected except the main character. Once a character dies they start to turn into a monster. The monsters know everyone is infected and are purposely trying to kill people that have not turned yet. At the end of the book you find out the mind of “The Thing” and the main character combines into one entity. Everyone else had to die to become the thing except the main character.
The idea is the real monster was man but the book takes an interesting and darker tone with some eugenics ideas involved.
"They both are the thing. THE END." - You can't be more metal and grim that that! xDDDD
But, yeah. It's part of Apocalipse trilogy for a reason: the horror wins in the end, it can be delayed but will win eventually in the end. ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Nope, Carpenter confirmed that only one of them was
@@lorand5578 Yes. But don't change the fact that whatever one of them be human, he still will die from freezing. While the thing will just sleep, waiting the rescue team.
Dude, this is a good format. If you like it too you should keep it up.
Thank you! And I plan to!
this theory is highly possible but i find curious that the most important thing ( Mcready getting infected ) is off camera , i think the director would put an scene hinting atleast that happening. leaving that behind this is a great theory
Yeah, but we literally see no on screen infections besides bennings
Not if Carpenter wanted it to work on two levels, the casual take that the hero is the hero, knowing it's most how would view it, and then for his own satisfaction, the esoteric truth that Mac was a Thing.
@@2DimmMedia yeah and i noticed Carpenter wanted that to be unseen so i take back what i said basically
"They could just sneeze..."
NONE of them did, it's not airborn. There needs to be connection, cell-to-cell.
"Childes is an idiot..."
Remember, the 'share the food' theory died with the researcher because MacReady NEVER spread that out. So it's still a viable strike pattern.
Blair grabbing Gary proves the skin to skin contact needed. (So that killed my MacReady did it so... ouch to me.)
John Carpenter... Hold, Akira Toriyama had issues remembering Dragonball items (like the tail). It happens.
"Comic and Game..." Submarine? I remember Nerd Explains said how to take out Humanity but that's another thing for another day (fun watch though).
Still say "Among Us" is the closest to The Thing's actual Vibe... but that's preference... moving on.
- Got more to watch but that's where I stand so far.
you: *BRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLL*
also you: finally a bangin OST!
I think because Childs had the flamethrower, McReady would have no choice but to assimilate him with the alcohol. This also was shown with Fuch's death as the thing is not afraid to eliminate someone with a flamethrower if they are alone. If Childs were the thing, he'd kill McReady then wait for himself to freeze, hoping to be discovered by humans. But this didn't happen. Or they could just both be human.
I agree with this
Carpenter said that one of them is the creature, though...
22:18 shit, I remember all these movies in the theater, and I was listening to Smurfs All Star Show on my record player. Should I do a ragtime dance and shine someone's shoes?
Might as well! For old time's sake!
Theory holds up, hard to ignore all the timing and pass off of dna that was CLEARLY written into the movie
Thank you!
I mean, I really don't know how people can so easily dismiss strong pieces of evidence such as MacReady's jacket in the snow or MacReady's insane response to the question about the cause of the "Maybe I Burned Myself Until It Got To Me" guy's death (sorry, forgot his name), so yeah, I think your theory is still the best one out there.
Thank you! And yeah, its crazy to me too..
About that sneeze theory, you could go either way saying that The Thing either wouldn’t ever have to sneeze because it’s a monster (in the same vein that people think Child’s is The Thing because his breath doesn’t cloud) or that because it can fully assimilate a human, that would include having nose hairs that could be agitated resulting in a sneeze. Furthermore though, germs and viruses have a very hard time surviving in cold climates, I.E.; the prequel to them thawing the virus, it having to use the dog as transfer, Blair understanding how The Thing infects and procedes to destroy methods of transportation, they are in the Antarctic. Meaning that a mere sneeze could not transfer the virus easily, that’s why they keep jails and prisons temperature low to help prevent the spread of airborne sickness.
Sup all, so I was re-watching The Thing with Macready theory in mind and noticed something I'm not sure if was mentioned.
I think Macready could have transformed into The Thing BEFORE he pilots the helicopter for the first time.
Cooper and Garry tell Macready "get your gear on Macready". Then camera fades. Then it shows Macready coming back from his shed alone after he "gets his gear on".
It then shows Nauls and Palmer. Nauls: "he's really going up?" Palmer: "He knows what hes doing"... Then "The Thing music" plays as it shows the helicopter taking off, and cuts to the dog looking up as the helicopter taking off, like it knows?
From this point I think It could be possible Dr. Cooper is the 2nd infected? i'll let you go from there. /cheers! Long live The Thing!
What an interesting observation. I need to rewatch it again. Just another excuse to watch it again 🤣
If you are right it changes the meaning of the ending, it's not a test when he shares the bottle. It's an acknowledgement that they both are the thing. They were at odds the hole film then they both decided to reside themselves to the same fate together. They don't tell each other they are both the thing only they drink from the same bottle to show they are both the thing.
If i want to hide something and im John carpenter, i would hide something in the audio track
John Carpenter has said that all the clues to know who, if either, of the two survivors is the Thing… I think you may have picked up on them!
Just to counter the "you are wrong" comments here is mine. You are right.
Thank you! And I love the profile pic
If people’s rebuttals are along the lines of “MacReady isn’t a thing because he’s the protagonist!”. Like damn y’all need to relearn some of the basic fundamentals of writing/storytelling . Being the protag doesn’t automatically make you good. It just makes it *YOUR* story.
Think of it like Death Note. Light is the protagonist, but kinda a PoS. L is the antagonist, but arguably good (acab notwithstanding).
Your protagonist can be horrible while being the main character. MacReady can be the Thing while being the main character.
We can even go and say the Thing is actually the main character itself and MacReady was just a minor redshirt character you saw only in the beginning. We just call MacReady our protag simply because we see *his* face
I love the comparison to Death Note
Another big piece of evidence for your theory: the movie box cover. It's MacReady labeled "The Thing."
OK maybe it's not MacReady on the cover but it's one of them. And doesn't it look most like MacReady?
The drink into the computer is a very strong piece of evidence.
Yeah, I've heard alot of speculation on who is on the cover. But I would assume it's made to look like either Mac or Childs
Watched the first video. Good points but, the dark horse comic that follows the movie has MacReady not being the Thing, John Carpenter also said that it would be a great sequel to his movie so in universe MacReady isn’t The Thing.
Did you not watch this video? I talk about that exact comic.. it's not canon
About the earring Theory in the prequel the final scene he put the earring into the wrong ear the thing could have adapted to that it learn from its mistakes and remember to put the earring in the right ear as childs
Yes, if we are counting the prequel, then yes! That's very possible!
How could it adapt if it was Burned in the Truck? The Dog or the Corps did not know what happened at the UFO. 🤦♀
How did the thing in the bottle in the first place? I thought you were saying it was on the gloves first
No. Through the glove to the bottle. I say that in the first video
@@2DimmMedia through a glove that is made to keep your hands warm and dry from the snow, you might want to rethink that one 😂🤣
@@2DimmMedia 👇👇Dam these People are Stupid.
@@Creamy-1988 Dog lickes glove, glove touches bottle, bottle touches lips. Simple
@@peterondrus7065 obviously but that's not what he says.
If MacReady didn't cut himself, the others probably would be suspicious of the pre-filled petri dish of his blood. He'd need to do it in front of them or it wouldn't convince anyone.
If MacReady thing is so smart and careful, it's awfully dumb for it to keep leaving clothes with his name on it everywhere. Especially after MacReady said on the tape that the name was removed from some long johns he found.
I'm still not convinced but a sold theory nonetheless. I still subscribe to the Childs was the thing theory. His "I saw Blair so I ran out into a blizzard" story is total BS. Plus a few other points.
Of course, for all we know, both Childs and MacReady could both be infected. Who tf knows. Carpenter is a massive troll and we'll probably never find out.
Hey I completely agree and have for years. He is assimilated after the dog
One point, because I think you might be confused (or maybe I'm confused about what you said) but Blair wasn't building a spaceship.
He was building a UFO to fly from Antarctica to civilisation.
As in: he wasn't planning on escaping from Earth, but of assimilating Earth.
How do we know this? There is no evidence of either side. I just assume he's trying to leave because he's been losing to the humans.
But he could possibly be trying to go to civilization, in which case, it's a battle of which way of assimilation is more effective. And a personal beef
@@2DimmMedia If you read the novella that it is based on it makes clear that Blair is attempting to reach civilization - he isn't building a space ship capable of interstellar travel.
Note also that the Blair-Thing isn't trying to build something out of the remains of his own spacefaring ship - that's still over at the Norwegian camp.
No, he's trying to build something out of a stolen generator, tractor parts, scavenged helicopter bits, and roughly beaten locker doors.
I don't care how smart a Thing is, it isn't going to be able to make an interstellar vessel out of those parts.
The comic also continues with mac and childs duking it out childs tinally turned to the thing in the amazon jungle lol😅
So, as I thought about this theory, I came to some interesting possibilities. It's possible that they are BOTH things, but not necessary the same thing. I mean alcohol tends to sterilize. But what if the thing "virus" and the different thing collectives were not necessarily on the same side? The 'monster' versions are just a jumble of the different organisms that have been soaked up. But the viral version may be a more cognitive version of the host. IN FACT, the alien crash may have been when a "pure thing" got polluted with a bunch of different organisms - losing it's self. The 'real thing'(s) may be trying to get rid of the 'monster thing'(s) the whole time.
You mention that Blair is drunk in the shed, but don't explain how he could be. I'll just explain it because I know it's true and I don't want people to get stuck on that point. We see them drug Blair in the same scene, so that he can calm down and stop trying to kill everyone.
I made a comment on the previous Video talking about the whole one cell thing. I think you'd need a certain amount of the thing to be present in you to be infected & that the immune system maybe able to deal with the smaller amounts. Likely the worst way to be infected would be from blood in a wound from the thing as with access to the blood it'd gain access to the whole body most likely part of how it assimilates normally. I kinda think the stomach Acid however would neutralise the thing infecting you from ingesting it & another factor is that Human Siliva holds some white blood cells which could neutralise it if in small enough amount which could be why something like Sneezing wouldn't be very viable for the thing to spread as it likely takes too long to make it infect a person. Like if we think of it like a cancer mainly it would mean to win out it'd need to be very good at taking over the persons cells before the immune system can catch it so a larger doesage would allow this. I am going to use my own virus as an analogy as I understand the Infected (because I named it ages ago & feel too attached to give it a better name) which is a kinda virus, Fungal thing its a mix of different things that can easily spread merely by touch. But when it infects something it tries to get to the Brain as soon as possible as once you hold that you basically have nothing stopping you from controlling the rest of the body. With that you can force nerves to tell the body to release hormones that neutralise most of the immune system & with it the body is far easier to assimilate. Now something similar is Likely to happen in the Thing. I am guessing the wouldn't be able to infect someone just by touching them due to it being rather hard to infect things through the skin especially if we are assuming the cells kinda need to want to infect. Like the thing could probably infect people whenever it wants & so most of the time wouldn't meaning that merely touching the infected tissue won't cause infection. But if it wants to like we see Blaire do at the end of the movie it quite easily will assimilate. So next note on this is basically if it really wanted to infect someone using siliva or something it would have to go by the eyes as they are the human bodies biggest blind spot to diseases. Barely any white blood cells pass through it due to them being well a major threat to the eyes working as if they attack them you'd go blind but the eyes also have a nerve straight to the Brain another area with very little immune system protection as well its too important to let something that could accidently kill parts of the brain. So the key to the thing infecting you would be this. Then again the Siliva thing probably would work if the thing intends to do it. Like the dogs mouth would be covered in infectious tissue when it licks bennins (how do you spell that) anyway the same could apply to the bottle. Anyway I do think the small amount of the thing could infect someone but it probably wouldn't be as viable if the thing was outside of lets say the small research base. As Doctors would likely realise things are off but then again we know very little of the things intentions.
Yes. This is a valid point backed up by some scientific research. The only true argument against it would be that what we see with the cellular assimilation that Blair simulates, there's no mention of the immune system fighting back. Almost seems like White blood cells don't notice its presence. And Blair being very smart, would also have stated your point or juggled with the idea as well, but yet, he panics and does what he ultimately ends up doing.
@@2DimmMedia Maybe if the cells that are taken up by the thing (just released that my personal example has as simple a name as the thing I am using it as an analogy for) but if the cells assimilated still have the same antigens on the outside the immune system could miss it but the immune system would still be a threat for the initial infection.
Hmmmm. Interesting. A solid case but the easiest answer would be that because it's an alien organism, it's foreign and could process traits unknown to our immune systems. Like a plague
@@2DimmMedia Yea if its not a carbon based life form or at least not made up of Proteins, Lipids (fats) & other important bio-molecules as we know them it probably would be invisible to our bodies natural defences. Guessing the assimulated matter has to be at least partly the same as our cells are normally to allow it to be pretty much undetected unless it has to move from danger which is when it likely becomes a truer form which would allow things that normally don't move like Blood or Silvia to act as we see. It also needs to be somewhat different to survive water crystals forming in its cells but then again these cells could just not have water as the main solution inside which would change how it works. Basically the Thing has too much unknowns to really note any of its biology if only we could've learned all that Blair & Fuchs learned about the thing as they probably learned some of the why for its danger.
You should do a video over this subject. A "What we know and can assume about how the thing assimilates cells"
I really like your theory. It has holes, but I think the movie was purposely written so that multiple explanations can be convincing. So a few holes isn't the end of the World for a theory about The Thing.
But I think you overlooked something when addressing criticism. You talk about how it doesn't make sense for a Human Macready to not attack Childs at the end, since he's trying to wipe out The Thing at all costs.
There is a really big Elephant in the room to the idea that a Human Macready would attack. It's called a rather large and ready flamethrower.
But, I think it also makes sense for a Thing Macready not to attack either. Because... Flamethrower... The one thing that's actually been killing the aliens...
So I think this doesn't hurt your theory, I just don't think it hurts the opposing theory either.
It's possible that all the actions of the Macready thing does is to try to perfectly copy Macready. Who would have become paranoid, and destroy the whole base.
Even when the Thing tried to crawl away, it pointed itself out and incinerated itself. It is perfectly willing to destroy another Thing if it means it can get away. With that in mind, could it be that the Thing wanted to leave but was perfectly willing to sabotage its other selves in order to not be left behind? Only because it's what Macready would do, but also that it's probably afraid of humans.
The blood test could also show that the Thing can't make a pocket of blood, but if the theory is true, shows that it's unaware that someone else is a Thing. I think the blood scene disproves the theory, only if the Thing is aware of the others who are also Things. Because if it was aware as to who else was a Thing, it would be have an advantage over everyone when they were tied up. But if it didn't know, then it would be afraid of Doc. Which is why it would help everyone
appreciate the comment shoutout 38:45 don't know if you knew there is also a TV broadcast version, in that ending it's daytime & we can see a dog thing running away from outpost 31 meaning at least one of them was the thing, more likely childs since there is obvious evidence to suggest him but still if he was the thing he could've easily assimilated or torched mac which had no weapons to fight back putting him at a clear disadvantage so if mac was the thing he would have to wait for childs to drop his guard or wait for him to freeze over. I think blair was the one who infected mac right after his tape recording since blair was trying to get those he trusted the most being mac & fuchs which would create a distraction while he continued the spacecraft. blair thing wanted to leave the planet having palmer knowledge he could've just stolen the helicopter. also, I think blair thing knew assimilating humans was a bad idea which is why it wanted to leave, humans don't operate under a hive mind they have their own individual characteristics & self-interest which can lead to sabotage like mac thing exposing them through the blood test or palmer thing exposing norris thing's head all to gain trust. this is supported by blair locking himself in his room & not answering the door stated by fuchs.
I did not know that. I have to see this broadcasted version!
@@2DimmMedia its got a bunch of footage not seen in the regular dvd, the 2 disc collector's edition on Blu-ray comes with it and a bunch of other stuff, it's worth a grab. the cover art is mac with a flamethrower surrounded by the other characters in a blue coloring.
Mac checking the hallway before stepping in to see Fuchs is sus AF too. I always thought that. Also Mac looking pale as a ghost and standing around like a robot in scenes trying to mimic people.
If he is the thing he is playing the long game. While the Norwegian thing is playing fast and loose. Its a Thing vs Thing vs survivors.
I would also argue on your behalf. That the illogical scenes for entertainment are to further drive Mac as the "thing". Because he isnt human, his choices and things he does or we dont see on screen, etc. Are foreign to us. Therefore, making him the thing.
-him also killing blair is a conflict. One playing fast and loose. Him playing the long haul. He has to destroy the ship evidence and Blair wouldnt just let him destroy his ship.
-also blair taking a ufo to invade the mainland paints a target on your back. Mac cant have that to complete his chess/covert infection.
I think mac's end game was to infect food and water for the world. He was using the site as a test theory with peoples preferred booze.
-of course this is all "conjecture" 😂
Yessir! All conjecture! And assuming the thing can pass along memory within the cells, the thing would have memory of the Norwegian failure and use this as a round 2 with more experience with humans
Also, to your favor, there's no guarantee that the transformation is instant. Nor impossible on the deceased.
That is a good point!
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Thank you! This made my day! I'll check out your channel! Keep making content, it's all about patience and trial and error
@@2DimmMediaThanks, bro. I'm making a lot of cringy stuff. I work a ton so I'm just throwing every piece of s*** that comes to my mind at the CZcams shorts wall, some things stick some don't. Trying to find my niche, but I don't know what that is yet 😅
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Back to "was I wrong....."
Both great pieces of content that YOU made. I don't care what anybody says. That is how u put together a great argument.
McReady is not the Thing...... In the final scene
McReady and Childs are talking, McReady has steam when he's talking in the snow as we all do, Childs does not and so that means Childs was the Thing.
John Carpenter said it in a interview.
I disagree
@@2DimmMediathat's your opinion brother, if I remembered the exact interview were John Carpenter actually reveals what I said I would send u a link but I forgot. Have a look it's out there somewhere.
@@costasspartan1894 How do you explaine Bennings breath?
I don't believe Blair could leave the planet in the tiny ship he was cobbling in the tunnel as the presenter stated. Compare it to the HUGE ship they find crashed. That was an intergalactic vessel. Blair's little saucer is designed to reach civilization on Earth.
I mean if we are going off size comparison that makes sense 🤔
Dude, I didn't agree but still liked the video(s). It was a well thought out and well laid out theory. But didn't like how to kept insulting us but I'm into super dry humor so I get it.
I just have a pain condition so it's too tiring to type out the things I disagree with. I wish I could just verbally respond as you laid out points.
Honestly, one of the best arguments for the bottle having J&B in it instead of gasoline is that, to Mac's mind, Child's went missing. He's expected to be dead. There is no reason for a 'human' Macready to expect to need a Thing-proof test.
HOWEVER, a good explanation for why he doesn't kill Childs in the end if Mac is human: 1. This has been his friend for awhile now, and as a feeling human being, that is a hard thing to even contemplate. 2. He's worn out. As a human, his adrenaline from the fighting is crashing.
I honestly think your theory is really good and fun to play around with. I think it's more fun if the entity(s) can communicate without sounds. That would make sense of the 'Blair music sting' thing. I think that being a sign it's Blair going by would be really interesting and if Mac is already infected by then, he could send Blair to kill the guy so Mac can keep playing the long con. But again, I prefer the Childs theory just for the sake of it.
Now that's all the pain I can withstand.
Sorry to hear about the pain condition. And I personally thing human Mac understands that the end of the world is at stake here, so why would he share a drink with Childs if he had first hand knowledge of not to do that from Fuchs? I think him sharing the drink is enough proof that Mac isn't either human, or no longer cares about society, despite destroying the facility a few minutes ago to save said society. You know? So I gotta go with it's because he is the thing
just because i wanna be a smart ass for those that dont know . "The Thing 1982" is technically a Reimagining of "The Thing 1951 Aka The Thing From Another World"
Correct! Emphasis on "Reimagining" as well!
@@2DimmMedia to be fair lol I learned about that from avgn a long while ago , and had to check it out . Also awesome vid!
30:49 I was going to question "assimulate"... but in this case, it is quite appropriate. In fact, I dare say it is a perfectly cromulent word, here.
Maybe why Bennings did not turn into the Thing right away. Is because maybe drinking or eating out of a infected can or bottle it takes awhile for a person to become the Thing. Maybe when we saw Bennings what we thought was being attacked by the Thing under the blanket. No Bennings was turning into the Thing and maybe absorb the other Things from the Norwegian camp. I think it is strange when Bennings get near those Things they stat coming to life.
That's a good idea 🤔
Where I believe Macready and Norris were infected by Blair is when they went to the alien crash site. They don't tell you who the 3rd guy in the helicopter was. There was Macready, Norris and Blair how you know it is Blair. Zoom in on the guy in the green suit when he get off the helicopter for 1 sec you can see glasses it is Blair. To connect this in the famous scene were you see the dog Thing walking down the hallway and see someone's shadow then infects someone Blair. That is Blair's room how you know it is look at the green buckets on the left and the boxes on the right that is Blair's room. Because in a later scene you see Blair walking out of this room. When the dog Thing attacks the dogs in the kennel and Macready pulls the fire alarm the guys walk out of there rooms. The camera is viewing from the other direction so the green buckets are on the right and boxes on the left.
I will rematch it with this in mind!
These vids are good boss keep making them i dont even care if you gove outlandish takes its way more refreshing than the same theories regurgitated over and over. Besides this is a great take on the movie i loved it.
P.s. long form media is great in good conditions like what your thing video accomplished.
Thank you! I appreciate that!