This is a great movie...but Mel Gibson himself has said it is not historical. He blends together the Maya and the Aztecs in many ways, so you guys will probably want to look up all the stuff that is wrong, just so you do not learn any false facts from this movie.✌
There were Mexicans in the Yucatan at Chichen Itza, before the Europeans came. Their bloodletting practices were different. Aztec makeup is black like their obsidian weapons. Maya loved the green of Central American jade.
Actually, it's not that unrealistic It really showed the reality of these people, which generated a wave of anger, as it moved away from the cliché "only the colonists are bad" They managed to represent many things perfectly
@@yeyosilver7067 Never said "unrealistic"...that is not a word I even used. I said it is not true to history, and it is not...that is very clear. Realism and historical accuracy are not the same thing.
This is one of my favorite movies. Even though this a mixture of cultures. Shows how violent the human race really is no matter the culture. Never about race, but which group is the strongest and powerful. I just finished a book called “The Empire of the Summer Moon” the rise and fall of the Commanche
Most of human history life was brutal and harsh. Death wasn't as feared as it is today. Mayan culture/religion was based on, not how you lived but how you died. There were several "heavens" and the highest level of heaven were reserved for women who died during childbirth, children, and those who died in battle.
In answer to one question you guys had...according to IMDB "Mel Gibson claimed that Rudy Youngblood was genuinely running from the jaguar, which was only kept from reaching him by a tether."
Not exactly, yes they did a lot of terrible things, but nothing different from what the local people did either The biggest problem was diseases, especially airborne ones
This movie is one of my favorites, it was because of it that I became quite interested in the history of Mexico and over time I realized historical errors, but it is still great.
Yep, they're mining lime which is why they show one of the workers coughing up blood - lime is really bad for your insides if you're exposed to it for too long and most of those workers probably had really short lifespans as a result. Also, lime itself can be good for crops but it can also really mess with the pH of soil which may be one of the reasons why we see the Mayan's crop failures and subsequent famine that's happening in the city immediately afterward. The Mayans may not have put two and two together and figured out they're adding too much to their crops.
I would love to see the four of you go to Yucatan Mexico to see where this was supposed to happen. It is quite an experience especially after seeing this movie. Vayan a Yucatan.
So far all the reactors have missed the meaning of the arrival of the Spanish fleet and why Mel Gibson filmed it that way. First of all, that arrival is what saves Jaguar Paw when he's about to get killed on the beach at the last moment. Second, what Jaguar Paw and his family have ahead of them is a new beginning. Symbolism, the Spanish Fleet arrival is what saves those smaller tribes prosecuted, murdered and enslaved by the Mayans/Aztecs. Look at who is on the first boat, soldiers and the priest holding the cross ABOVE them. Why? Because the purpose of the Spanish wasn't to arrive to a shore and murder everyone they met, those ships could barely fit 25-30 men each and all the food and fresh water required for months of travel, yeah, the ships and the armored soldiers look impressive to the indigenous people, but they were still too few to abandon the shore, go into the jungle and exterminate tribes of thousands. As the marines found out when they arrived at the pacific islands in WWII, it's not easy to go into a jungle and survive, even without the Japanese shooting at you, and even with modern medicine to try and fight the infections. The mission was to make alliances with the locals, teach them and learn from them (the first grammar book of a modern language was the Spanish by Antonio de Nebrija in 1492, the second was a Nahuatl grammar in 1531, yes, even before an English grammar was published). The Spanish clerics learned the native language and wrote a grammar, they were the most cultured of the population, since they knew Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Italian, French, German, English, geography mathematics, philosophy... they were not in the ships just to spread the religion, they were experts at communication with foreigners and acted as diplomats. That's what Mel Gibson meant, the end of an era of savagery and cannibalism, the beginning of a new era for Jaguar Paw, his woman, children, and everyone else. The Spanish Ships: A New Hope (no Luke Skywalker) 🙂
There’s evidence of a much more massive apocalyptic level pandemic decades before the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. That some have argued made it possible for Europeans to not be annihilated when they did arrive. Nothing to do with this movie but I thought it’s interesting 😂
people seem to think that a few spanish conquer millions of people thats not what happend the spanish allied themselves with tribes that hated the mayans for their own (and good) reasons.@@bigmikem1578
FYI the "White powder" is supposed to be "Lime" to make plaster to coat the outside of buildings It took tons of wood to heat the rocks enough to break them down by crushing Lot's of deforestation as a result
the Conquistador went on trial for fabricating a lot of their accounts in order to gain more funding from the Spanish crown. they were later put on trial in Spain for fabricating the accounts, as well as for illegal slavery & for the mass killing of indigenous peoples. these are charges that would normally put someone to death automatically, but the Conquistador were put into exile. Christopher Columbus was also put in exile for the same charges, & he chose to be put in exile in the Caribbean. the Conquistador would later be influenced by Columbus. human sacrificing is not fake. it really did happen. but it was not like this, at all. sacrifice is considered a holy practice. only people who were pure, or people who volunteered themselves, were sacrificed. many warriors who were captured volunteered to sacrifice themselves because sacrificing yourself was seen as a warrior's lament, like a Norse warrior believing violence is his ticket to valhalla. the murals on the wall were half true. there were murals that depicted sacrifices & certain ceremonies, but it was to place moral or courage into people. not to place fear into people. they depicted their deities, rather than human beings. you have to keep in mind these practices & ceremonies were considered holy. they were revered like a church or religious alter. not every culture practiced sacrifice, but it was common among many cultures in the Americas (North, Central, & South America). but it was not like how media depicts it. indigenous peoples are not savages. i'd like to make that very clear.
The timeline is off, but I think they show the intro to the Spanish to signify the ending of an era and a new beginning. It also serves to show that there were already people here and a thriving civilization. Albeit they showed their civilization in decline.
They were Mayan. Their gods their culture. The intro of the Spanish was creative license but done to signify the end of the epoch, and a "new beginning"
ALL movies and TV shows are direct feeds from alternate universes. When you see something that isn't "historically accurate," remember that this movie isn't our earth timeline.
Brilliant film. Gives a sense of time and place. It is not a documentary. My favorite "error" moment. Assuming that nest our hero throws was full of pepsis wasps (two inches long), they likely would have incapacitated (or killed) all of his pursuers. Second-worst sting on the planet. Several stings can paralyze. The mud coating was to protect him from the stings. Variety in N. America is known as the tarantula hawk. We have them in our yard during the summer.
You're wrong ots jot after the mayans .. there are different "mayan" periods just like Egyptian lineages and dynasties. What's off is the place it occurred and how.
You guys need to understand the context of the movie before you watch it , main thing you have to know as a reaction or analyzing the movie is that it's a time of drought in that time , that's why they living how they living. due to no rain , they weren't able to harvest their main crop which is corn 🌽, so it's also lead them at one point to eat themselves , cannibalism , so basically they are capturing people to sacrifice it tot their gods, different tribes, for other purposez aswell , not only for sacrifice . , enough blood according to them and to the money , not sure about the eclipse part but yea . so there's a lot to this, you have to know about the Aztec culture to understand this movie , even though it's a lot of exaggerating in those movie scenes.
The most realistic Mesoamerican movie, but telescopes time between 800-1500 CE. I was in the room when my daughter was born, didn't scream like a bitch either, that is the mother's job ;-)
The Aztecs and Mayans are related and intermingled throughout the centuries. Mayans golden age was before the Aztecs. The mesoamericans did have libraries and documents carved into stone but they were mostly destroyed be the Spaniards. The Spaniards have also demonized the natives and have made us think they were more evil than they actually were.
It's a testament to the reality of conquest. We were taught that life in the Precolumbian Americas was pristine and without the cruelties, humans put upon other humans. This shows the truth of how all cultures have suffered man's inhumanity to man, albeit not in a perfect historical presentation. We now think the cruelness of conquest and slavery was all racially based, but that is a falsehood. Historically, stronger people always exploit weaker people. The end showed a new conqueror coming to take over from the current familiar conqueror. My father would ask if you were being subjected to horrible cruelty, would it matter if the inflictor looked like your people or not?
What you saw with that woman standing up holding another baby and giving birth gives gravity took over if she's laying down on her back. She's got to push it out because there's no gravity. Help them out, but no woman should ever try to milk the situation. You saw this young female give birth. And shouldn't complain 1 bit. So all these females whining and crying and all that is a bunch of crap
pero los indígenas actuales dicen que los españoles los despojaron de todo pero no ven que dejamos atrás el salvajismo y el sin sentido de nuestra existencia
You don't believe that they could have evolve without the Spanish? I don't think you are giving them a chance. The Vikings were just as savage and they evolved
😂😂 The Spanish never incounter the Mayans they were gone years before it was the Mexica people aka the Aztecs and this movie was over reacted especially with the guys catching the heads at the bottom of the piramid and their were no type of deaseses like they showed that's how so many Natives from the Americas North to south who were mostly wiped that came from Europe. This is Hollywood man.😂
@@PlanetOfTheAztecsred skin, the Europeans had red hair, today some of us have some of that, red skin is not comply brown, is not like carmesy red, but is closest to red than brown
The part I never understand about those who react to this movie is how they can see how terrible the pre-Columbian world was and still assume that the Spanish were worse. Do you really think that the conquistadors would rip out the hearts of more than 10,000 people with their bare hands in a single day? How exactly could they be worse than that?
Obviously you just don't know, just a piece you can look the history of a dog named becerrillo, is just a dog war history, just a single thing wrote by them, the Spanish conquers.
pure fantasy, many errors in the script and in the story, the protagonist is pierced by a spear, he does not bleed to death, he flees with a fatal wound and they do not catch him, he jumps from a waterfall, he beats a jaguar in the race, he does not know weakens or faints from blood loss and never dies, they paint the Aztecs as the villains of the Mayans, when the Aztecs only fought with the Mexícas or Meshícas in center of México, the Mayans were in the southeast and Guatemala, The outfits do not correspond, they look like indigenous or aboriginal people from a tribe without progress, they show their precarious huts even though they have impressive pyramids and in their time they must have looked spectacular as new, they only show the pyramids of the Aztec sacrifices when they were supposedly captured by they, the jaguar looks like a stuffed animal on the face, the wild boar sounds like tyrannosaurus rex
This is a great movie...but Mel Gibson himself has said it is not historical. He blends together the Maya and the Aztecs in many ways, so you guys will probably want to look up all the stuff that is wrong, just so you do not learn any false facts from this movie.✌
Apart from the historical inaccuracies, this movie is amazing
There were Mexicans in the Yucatan at Chichen Itza, before the Europeans came. Their bloodletting practices were different. Aztec makeup is black like their obsidian weapons. Maya loved the green of Central American jade.
It's why the movie had a lot of complaints it was sharing false information and trying to mix many different communities and painting them as one.
Actually, it's not that unrealistic
It really showed the reality of these people, which generated a wave of anger, as it moved away from the cliché "only the colonists are bad"
They managed to represent many things perfectly
@@yeyosilver7067 Never said "unrealistic"...that is not a word I even used. I said it is not true to history, and it is not...that is very clear. Realism and historical accuracy are not the same thing.
This movie was a brutal masterpiece. It was extremely violent but at the same time shows how close a family can be and how important family is.
The jagged knife and the edges of their weapons is obsidian, sharper than a scalpel.
This is one of my favorite movies. Even though this a mixture of cultures. Shows how violent the human race really is no matter the culture. Never about race, but which group is the strongest and powerful.
I just finished a book called “The Empire of the Summer Moon” the rise and fall of the Commanche
Most of human history life was brutal and harsh. Death wasn't as feared as it is today. Mayan culture/religion was based on, not how you lived but how you died. There were several "heavens" and the highest level of heaven were reserved for women who died during childbirth, children, and those who died in battle.
In answer to one question you guys had...according to IMDB "Mel Gibson claimed that Rudy Youngblood was genuinely running from the jaguar, which was only kept from reaching him by a tether."
That's nuts
@@RKnightsThere is a behind the scene clip where he is running away from the Jaguar
The Spanish Arrival : When your Bad Day just got a whole lot Worse!
Right!
They saved the day!
Because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Not exactly, yes they did a lot of terrible things, but nothing different from what the local people did either
The biggest problem was diseases, especially airborne ones
@@yeyosilver7067 About the diseases. Not for us. (Filipinos) Nothing of that sort happen here.
This movie is one of my favorites, it was because of it that I became quite interested in the history of Mexico and over time I realized historical errors, but it is still great.
The white powder is probably limestone for whitewash on buildings. Limestone has also been used on crops for improvement of soil.
Yep, they're mining lime which is why they show one of the workers coughing up blood - lime is really bad for your insides if you're exposed to it for too long and most of those workers probably had really short lifespans as a result.
Also, lime itself can be good for crops but it can also really mess with the pH of soil which may be one of the reasons why we see the Mayan's crop failures and subsequent famine that's happening in the city immediately afterward. The Mayans may not have put two and two together and figured out they're adding too much to their crops.
@CopiousDoinksLLC Very interesting! Idk why I always thought it was salt lol
The famine and crop failures were because they kept human corpses right next to their cornfields.@@CopiousDoinksLLC
@@CopiousDoinksLLCwhich is crazy given how intelligent they were lol
I would love to see the four of you go to Yucatan Mexico to see where this was supposed to happen. It is quite an experience especially after seeing this movie. Vayan a Yucatan.
Maybe if we make a Vlog channel.
So far all the reactors have missed the meaning of the arrival of the Spanish fleet and why Mel Gibson filmed it that way.
First of all, that arrival is what saves Jaguar Paw when he's about to get killed on the beach at the last moment.
Second, what Jaguar Paw and his family have ahead of them is a new beginning.
Symbolism, the Spanish Fleet arrival is what saves those smaller tribes prosecuted, murdered and enslaved by the Mayans/Aztecs.
Look at who is on the first boat, soldiers and the priest holding the cross ABOVE them.
Why? Because the purpose of the Spanish wasn't to arrive to a shore and murder everyone they met, those ships could barely fit 25-30 men each and all the food and fresh water required for months of travel, yeah, the ships and the armored soldiers look impressive to the indigenous people, but they were still too few to abandon the shore, go into the jungle and exterminate tribes of thousands.
As the marines found out when they arrived at the pacific islands in WWII, it's not easy to go into a jungle and survive, even without the Japanese shooting at you, and even with modern medicine to try and fight the infections.
The mission was to make alliances with the locals, teach them and learn from them (the first grammar book of a modern language was the Spanish by Antonio de Nebrija in 1492, the second was a Nahuatl grammar in 1531, yes, even before an English grammar was published).
The Spanish clerics learned the native language and wrote a grammar, they were the most cultured of the population, since they knew Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Italian, French, German, English, geography mathematics, philosophy... they were not in the ships just to spread the religion, they were experts at communication with foreigners and acted as diplomats.
That's what Mel Gibson meant, the end of an era of savagery and cannibalism, the beginning of a new era for Jaguar Paw, his woman, children, and everyone else.
The Spanish Ships: A New Hope (no Luke Skywalker) 🙂
lol the dude in green weren't lying when he said he'd die if he was one of those kids... he could barely handle the movie 😂
You guys have good chemistry! Loved watching the movie again with you.
This Movie is a Masterpiece.
Great Reaction Guys!
The little girl they encountered in the jungle had small pox, indicating the Europeans had been there already ?
There’s evidence of a much more massive apocalyptic level pandemic decades before the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. That some have argued made it possible for Europeans to not be annihilated when they did arrive. Nothing to do with this movie but I thought it’s interesting 😂
people seem to think that a few spanish conquer millions of people thats not what happend the spanish allied themselves with tribes that hated the mayans for their own (and good) reasons.@@bigmikem1578
If that wasn't the first landing of the Spanish.
Always enjoy your Reactions.
Thanks we appreciate you 😊
FYI the "White powder" is supposed to be "Lime" to make plaster to coat the outside of buildings
It took tons of wood to heat the rocks enough to break them down by crushing
Lot's of deforestation as a result
Mel Gibson is a frigging "beast" making RAW epic films !
Amazing film I could only watch once - so brutal. Nature is red in tooth and claw🩸
Its very cool for a movie to be made about people from a time & culture never before reflected with care & heart before. Excellent film.
the Conquistador went on trial for fabricating a lot of their accounts in order to gain more funding from the Spanish crown. they were later put on trial in Spain for fabricating the accounts, as well as for illegal slavery & for the mass killing of indigenous peoples. these are charges that would normally put someone to death automatically, but the Conquistador were put into exile.
Christopher Columbus was also put in exile for the same charges, & he chose to be put in exile in the Caribbean. the Conquistador would later be influenced by Columbus.
human sacrificing is not fake. it really did happen. but it was not like this, at all.
sacrifice is considered a holy practice. only people who were pure, or people who volunteered themselves, were sacrificed. many warriors who were captured volunteered to sacrifice themselves because sacrificing yourself was seen as a warrior's lament, like a Norse warrior believing violence is his ticket to valhalla.
the murals on the wall were half true. there were murals that depicted sacrifices & certain ceremonies, but it was to place moral or courage into people. not to place fear into people. they depicted their deities, rather than human beings.
you have to keep in mind these practices & ceremonies were considered holy. they were revered like a church or religious alter.
not every culture practiced sacrifice, but it was common among many cultures in the Americas (North, Central, & South America). but it was not like how media depicts it.
indigenous peoples are not savages. i'd like to make that very clear.
So glad to see sexy Alex back again.
26:21 The biggest scream for the movie came at a birth
Green shirt reactions are priceless 😂
Yea cuz he's too hot I couldn't get my eyes off him lol
The timeline is off, but I think they show the intro to the Spanish to signify the ending of an era and a new beginning. It also serves to show that there were already people here and a thriving civilization. Albeit they showed their civilization in decline.
22:36 - Priceless! You win the intrawebs today! For The Win!!!
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Thats a big boy. Cool reaction my dudes.
Time period isn't off. These were Aztecs not Mayans.
Its Mayan culture mixed with Aztec
They were Mayan. Their gods their culture. The intro of the Spanish was creative license but done to signify the end of the epoch, and a "new beginning"
@@art2736 Believe what you want.
@J Bush not a belief, it's a fact.
@J Bush they are actually speaking a Mayan dialect. Mexica (Aztecs) spoke Nahuatl.
ALL movies and TV shows are direct feeds from alternate universes.
When you see something that isn't "historically accurate," remember that this movie isn't our earth timeline.
Congrats on 8k! I know I'm late 😢
violent movie Great movie reaction
Thank you 😊
Brilliant film. Gives a sense of time and place. It is not a documentary.
My favorite "error" moment. Assuming that nest our hero throws was full of pepsis wasps (two inches long), they likely would have incapacitated (or killed) all of his pursuers. Second-worst sting on the planet. Several stings can paralyze. The mud coating was to protect him from the stings.
Variety in N. America is known as the tarantula hawk. We have them in our yard during the summer.
The demented one is a kindergarten teacher in real life. The making of documentary is just about as good as the movie!!
Check out a Kurt Russell movie called Bone Tomahawk.
Mexican culture baby
There is no such thing as "mexican culture".
This was a great reaction
Thanks 😊😊😊
You're wrong ots jot after the mayans .. there are different "mayan" periods just like Egyptian lineages and dynasties. What's off is the place it occurred and how.
I remember the first time watching this movie. When they saw the Spanish I yelled out in my South Park Saddam voice: "You're all fucked now!"
Hola Mel Gibson se tomó la molestia de leer los libro de la cultura en México para producir está película
You guys need to understand the context of the movie before you watch it , main thing you have to know as a reaction or analyzing the movie is that it's a time of drought in that time , that's why they living how they living. due to no rain , they weren't able to harvest their main crop which is corn 🌽, so it's also lead them at one point to eat themselves , cannibalism , so basically they are capturing people to sacrifice it tot their gods, different tribes, for other purposez aswell , not only for sacrifice . , enough blood according to them and to the money , not sure about the eclipse part but yea . so there's a lot to this, you have to know about the Aztec culture to understand this movie , even though it's a lot of exaggerating in those movie scenes.
The most realistic Mesoamerican movie, but telescopes time between 800-1500 CE. I was in the room when my daughter was born, didn't scream like a bitch either, that is the mother's job ;-)
Don’t be so disturbed, this is the ancient version of the NFL! Lol,
My culture my people✊🏾🇲🇽
Saludos
Your culture is Spanish. Full Stop.
Is a mix of both, today still celebrating November 2 death day, that's go until those times, and so many things@@KrlKngMrtssn
I scanned thru comments but didn't see any reference to a similar film/series from New Zealand about Maori warriors called "Dead Lands".
The movie makes him sick yet he eats meat and supports the same kind of cruelty. What a hypocrite he is!
The Aztecs and Mayans are related and intermingled throughout the centuries. Mayans golden age was before the Aztecs. The mesoamericans did have libraries and documents carved into stone but they were mostly destroyed be the Spaniards. The Spaniards have also demonized the natives and have made us think they were more evil than they actually were.
It's a testament to the reality of conquest. We were taught that life in the Precolumbian Americas was pristine and without the cruelties, humans put upon other humans. This shows the truth of how all cultures have suffered man's inhumanity to man, albeit not in a perfect historical presentation. We now think the cruelness of conquest and slavery was all racially based, but that is a falsehood. Historically, stronger people always exploit weaker people. The end showed a new conqueror coming to take over from the current familiar conqueror. My father would ask if you were being subjected to horrible cruelty, would it matter if the inflictor looked like your people or not?
The Mayan people are still alive.
The Aztecs were at war with many other tribes at the time the Spaniards arrived.
It's the Spanish coming ĝ
Another Mel Gibson (director) movie The Passion of the Christ
Y'all should react to this Native Maori New Zealand warrior Movie " The Dead lands" similar vibe to this movie but they be doing the haka 😂
What you saw with that woman standing up holding another baby and giving birth gives gravity took over if she's laying down on her back. She's got to push it out because there's no gravity. Help them out, but no woman should ever try to milk the situation. You saw this young female give birth. And shouldn't complain 1 bit.
So all these females whining and crying and all that is a bunch of crap
They are mostly Mayans and the Spaniards arrived before the British
Don't let Alex watch '127 hours' lol
pero los indígenas actuales dicen que los españoles los despojaron de todo pero no ven que dejamos atrás el salvajismo y el sin sentido de nuestra existencia
You don't believe that they could have evolve without the Spanish? I don't think you are giving them a chance. The Vikings were just as savage and they evolved
Not true at all. The Spanish were not way after the Mayans. The Spanish conquered them.
Is just a reference bro, like an easy way to portrait the nex event
😂😂 The Spanish never incounter the Mayans they were gone years before it was the Mexica people aka the Aztecs and this movie was over reacted especially with the guys catching the heads at the bottom of the piramid and their were no type of deaseses like they showed that's how so many Natives from the Americas North to south who were mostly wiped that came from Europe. This is Hollywood man.😂
26:59 nah world control and bio foods mf
Historically accurate but they are not look like mayan or aztec. Mayan has smaller eyes, red skin and bigger jaws.
They are basically the same people
Red ?? Lmao , they're brown bro .. Caucasians are red ..
@@PlanetOfTheAztecsred skin, the Europeans had red hair, today some of us have some of that, red skin is not comply brown, is not like carmesy red, but is closest to red than brown
The part I never understand about those who react to this movie is how they can see how terrible the pre-Columbian world was and still assume that the Spanish were worse. Do you really think that the conquistadors would rip out the hearts of more than 10,000 people with their bare hands in a single day? How exactly could they be worse than that?
Both sides were pretty brutal but let’s be fr. The Spanish wiped out an entire culture.
Obviously you just don't know, just a piece you can look the history of a dog named becerrillo, is just a dog war history, just a single thing wrote by them, the Spanish conquers.
pure fantasy, many errors in the script and in the story, the protagonist is pierced by a spear, he does not bleed to death, he flees with a fatal wound and they do not catch him, he jumps from a waterfall, he beats a jaguar in the race, he does not know weakens or faints from blood loss and never dies, they paint the Aztecs as the villains of the Mayans, when the Aztecs only fought with the Mexícas or Meshícas in center of México, the Mayans were in the southeast and Guatemala, The outfits do not correspond, they look like indigenous or aboriginal people from a tribe without progress, they show their precarious huts even though they have impressive pyramids and in their time they must have looked spectacular as new, they only show the pyramids of the Aztec sacrifices when they were supposedly captured by they, the jaguar looks like a stuffed animal on the face, the wild boar sounds like tyrannosaurus rex