The Real Reason New Tolls Are Popping Up Everywhere
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
- What’s behind this rise of tolled roads, and are they just making driving more expensive, or can they make it better?
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Build trains. Build livable cities.
You'll never convince local, state, or federal government to foot that upfront cost. I miss Portland's Max lines, loved those when I lived in OR
cope
Then enforce the laws against robbery and put crazy people in asylums.
I think you can convince local government to pay for something like that.
This is why we should privatize all transportation infrastructure. When people see the true cost of driving, trains will look way better. The government ruins everything.
Over $45 million per mile is ridiculous. Thats good ol boy contracts that pad a lot of pockets.
My thoughts exactly. Government contracting is parasitic
There are not many companies willing to do that kind of work.
Overhead cost in construction is really expensive, like insurance premium, workers comp, fringe benefits...plus environmental regulations are too strict. It can take 3-4 years to just get environmental reviews done
@@huaqingzhu5928 yeah over head is high and its the structure in place which devalues efficiency and creates these giant dumpster fires of tax revenue and profiteering off government contracts, and back pocket padding for rights to contracts.
Nope, just turns out roads are expensive!
Relax zoning laws, let home owners open up stores and businesses on their property. Until that happens, no amount of transit can fix the problem because we have consciously separated all our needs through strict zoning laws.
“The neighborhood was nice until the Smith’s decided to open a slaughterhouse in our back yard. Many of the children and elderly around here have gotten sick and the tractor trailers that the Smith’s use have added potholes to the street. I’m so glad we relaxed the zoning laws in our town!”
@@barbzfurbernie4560 That's one unrealistic way of putting it. Another way is to reduce our zoning codes from 30,000 to under 100. Japan did it in under 12 and they're doing just fine. 100 should cover 99.99999% of America's needs. But hey, if you don't want multi-family housing in your neighborhood, go move to California where the houses are plenty, and at $2.5 million for a 4 bedroom on average. You know, the average amount an American would earn in their lifetime.
It's OK to put small local grocery stores in neighborhoods or allow families to grow their own food and raise their own chickens. It won't work for everyone, but it will work for most people.
This is true, no amount of transit will fix traffic, infact it is true that improving transit almost never reduces congestion because induced demand works in reverse as well, for every car you take off the road, another car will be in to fill it. The best was to reduce traffic are the least sexy, if you put convenience stores in every neighborhood, and connected cul-de-sacs, you would do more to reduce traffic than doubling public transit funding would do.
@@larry6601 I think people would be more fine with small commercial activity coming into their neighborhoods before multi-family housing does. That is how it is in Japan usually, the single family home neighborhoods, often do have a convenience store nearby, but to get to the multi-family housing, you have to walk towards the train station or the main road. In those areas you will have alot of building types.
Possibly one of the dumbest, unrelated, unhinged ideas I have ever heard. This isn't going to reduce congestion, you are still going to go to big box stores. You don't even remotely understand economics.
Buying power of large business is always going to outprice mom and pop stores. Most people are driving to work to commute or driving to go shopping for goods that aren't affordable to be shipped and no 7/11 run out of your neighbor's basement is going to outprice real stores with the amount of buying power they have. What is a local business run out of a house going to accomplish? Selling Etsy garbage that no one was hitting the road for either?
Completely unhinged.
Crazy idea: build walkable housing near jobs 😮
But then those poor, poor automakers, suburban developers and oil companies who have been corrupting the government for decades would see a dip in profits!
You can't walk everywhere unless the climate is perfect year around. And even then, walking will only you get you so far within a reasonable amount of time. Most people can only average 3mph on a good day and in reasonable shape. Plus, this sort of ridiculous idea suggest people should move within walking distance to where they work and that's just beyond stupid and isn't even possible unless people are just shuffling homes non stop.
BUT MUH ZONING
They do that already it's called DOWNTOWN. And you know what happens then? Crazy high rents
@@siddheshrane there's hardly any real downtowns left in the US because most of them got bulldozed for highways. There's a reason apartments in the ones that are left are in such high demand, suburbs suck
One proposal ive heard that sounds cool to me is a tax fee that scales by weight per axle- this way heavier luxury vehicles like F150s and Cybertrucks that cause more damage to the road (and pedestrians) have to pay more than someone commuting in a lighter and safer sedan.
weight per axle would even be less expansive for trucks as they have 4, 5 or even 7 axles.
Weight based tax is a scam, the only vehicles doing real damage to roads are commercial trucks.
Little people in little cars do almost zero damage, so we are subsidizing trucking companies for all the damage they cause to our roads.
Yes, or revamp the EPA emission efficiency regulations that were instituted in the Obama era to apply to all consumer vehicles, including SUVs and pickup trucks which are currently excluded.
New Jersey has an interesting solution to getting the amount it needs from its gas tax. The legislature doesn’t set the price per gallon, they set a collection goal. Which they recently raised from 2 billion to 2.34 billion, I think I’m remembering the amounts right. Then the gas tax law is written so each year the tax per gallon is adjusted based on whether they met, exceeded or didn’t make the goal. This year, before the goal increase, they were charging 2 cents per gallon.
@@KBergsnot true. Damage to the road is exponential, so a truck with four wheels, that weighs twice as much as a car per-axle, does four times as much damage to the road. Pickups and SUVs do a ton of damage to roads designed for cars, and the massive sprawl of suburban roads are the expensive part.
I HATE CAR INFRASTRUCTURE
That's because you live in an urban "utopia"
@@2x2is22You mean a cute rural town with a good train station, and frequent buses? Yeah, why?
I love my car! Driving is a lot of fun, and riding motorcycles is even better 👌
@@2x2is22 ... Which is subsidizing the suburban population.
Turns out having everyone live in low-density housing is crazy inefficient.
@@joshuablaz Fully agree... Up until you realise that's not the case for many if not most people present and stuck in traffic and congestion.
And that people who don't like driving are also people that makes your druve painfull in many ways, if not potentially dangerous.
American drivers have a really bad reputation, and this has a role.
"and to make sure people have an affordable alternative"
Yeah, still waiting for that...
Subway is expensive compared to other cities but $3 really isn’t the much. Much less than driving
@sashagallaway1945 sounds incredibly cheap, why isn't that available to more people?
@@jaredeiesland call your legislators and fight for improved transit service! you should have the choice to get around your city without paying thousands every month for a car
The Bus system becomes a much more attractive alternative once all the cars go away.
Biking is cheap
How about making politicians stop pocketing money
This video conveniently leaves out the blatant corruption and extreme costs that are paid out to local politicians to award certain contractors. Happens here, probably in California too. Do you really think a road costs $500 million to build?
People forget the hero of the union, Ulysses S Grant. Was the most corrupt president we ever had and created many of the ways people exploit the tax payers. Like railroads to nowhere and purposely making mistakes so you have to re build. Remember you have contracts and can't be fired because you charge the least to build.
The only way to fix traffic is to offer alternative & reliable modes of transportation: Trains, buses, subways. The Federal government needs to nationalize our rail system to allow passengers trains to be more reliable. I would love to take a train across the states, but there isn't a convenient way to do it other than driving a car.
So you want more involved government… Who do you think got us in this situation?
@@GetThemLyrics The government got us into the situation... by subsidizing cars. If the government got out of the way every road would have to be privately owned and be a toll road. We are just asking the government to subsidize the transportation options that are more efficient now.
@@GetThemLyrics Republicans to be specific.
Yes there is, it’s called Amtrak, it’s already federal subsidized and it fucking sucks, that’s why no one uses it.
And the need to go multiple states over isn’t a very large one for most people and even if it was we have planes.
This isn’t Europe, we can’t do what they do because we are literally too fucking big for our own good
@@GetThemLyrics You do realize highways are a net loss to cities. They cost more to maintain than they can generate income, which is why this congestion pricing is happening. So the Government subsidize them instead of investing in public infrastructure. People actually produce something in an economy, Cars do not. Move people, not cars.
That's another way that return-to-office translates to a substantial pay cut.
The amount of wear and tear a vehicle causes to road is dependent on the weight of the vehicle, and the distance driven.
No gas tax, no toll roads
Let the annual vehicle registration be priced based on the class/weight of the vehicle, and the distance driven in the past year (by the odometer)
Washington state graduates part of its license fee based on the vehicle's gross weight!
That would make too much sense.
i agree. make the heavy trucks pay for their road damage!
that's what The Netherlands has been doing for decades. they're also gonna add distance driven, currently you pay even when your car is stored unless you pause your plate. but this all works really well, we have the best roads in the world not only for quality, but also the best designed roads.
Doesn't really work if you do most of your driving in a different state than where you live. E.g. you live in Connecticut, work from home, but take frequent road trips out of state.
It only feels expensive to drive now because people are now paying the actual cost. Car owners have been highly subsidized for 70 years, and no one really thought about long term maintenance.
Very true
The worrying part though is nothing else has improved infrastructure wise so now that we actually have to pay the cost, it seems like we are headed towards a society where only the rich can drive. That doesn't work well when our entire society has been built and developed around car-centric infrastructure
@thetechmaster69 The exorbitant cost of driving has always been obvious to folks with lower income.
Privatized transportation was always an unfair proposition, disproportionately profiting car and oil companies at the expense of the public good.
It's not that we shouldn't have cars, it's that Americans have been brainwashed to think that cars are the only way.
After decades of razing neighborhoods for highways and parking, and subsidizing fuel and infrastructure costs, people are finally waking up to how unsustainable it is.
People need to have reasonable options when it comes to transportation. This constant monopolistic, all or nothing mentality needs to stop.
The majority of the price of gas is taxes. That's why the oil companies are being sued for price gouging. Cars were never subsidized, car owners pay taxes that build the infrastructure, the problem is now everything is expensive and paying for construction is insane. I've seen many road projects destroyed because the concrete didn't pass inspection, this is China level incompetence
9:20 the problem with Vehicle Miles Travelled fees is that they're regressive - that is, they usually punish poor people who can't afford to live closer to town, which means they have to pay more to go to work, which keeps them stuck in a cycle of staying poor. A better solution would be a vehicle weight tax - the heavier your vehicle, the more expensive it is.
Also it's taking a very flawed assumption that 1 mile driven cost the city/state/whatever the same amount in expected road costs regardless of the type of car.
So you just pay a fixed tax for weight? Did you watch the video? It won't keep up with inflation and rising cost of roads. You need to charge usage.
Instead, you can optimize VMT by considering the weight of the vehicle, the family income of the driver etc
It should be based on VMT and gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). If you drive more in a light vehicle, you pay less than a heavier vehicle that drives the same amount. If you have a heavy vehicle, but barely ever drive it, then you would pay less than if you drove that vehicle more.
Sounds horrible as well, if the government implemented that I would ride a bicycle no matter how far
@@not_popskgaming8150 well more people riding bicycles means less congestion, lower wear on roads. and would be a benefit.
I hate how they took carpool lanes and turned them into toll lanes and charge during hours that used to be open to all.
#3 needs to be fixed. Why are construction costs rising faster than inflation? Who’s lining their pockets??
What a scam
This is getting out of hand, soon they'll have a tipping option too 😂
I would say don't give them ideas, but at this point, this is bound to happen.
Don’t forget the bs fees you get charged by going through tolls and the absolutely terrible customer service. Went through jersey a couple months ago and 1 of the 6 or 7 tolls I went through didn’t function properly. Was sent a bill home for a $3 toll with a $50 admin fee. Keep in mind this was their mistake, the ez pass had money in it and the car went through 6 or 7 other tolls without issues. Fast forward a month and they threaten to send to collections because I’m not willing to pay $53 for a $3 fee. Ended up having to spend over an hour on the phone waiting for customer support without having an option to call me back when available. They ended up “waiving the $50 fee” but only this one time the lady said. Absolutely scummy practices and ridiculous fees. Has the same issue when going through maryland I believe and a $5 toll had $50 admin, $25 ambulance or fighting crime fee, and after all the bs a $5 tolls came to over $80. Ridiculous
Its crazy how many ways we get taxed even in ways we don't realize. Still got pot hole filled cities everywhere.
Surely this comes along with substantial investments in public transportation infrastructure right?
Right?
Maybe, but watch they sell the right to run it and collect revenue to a Private Equity company.
NYC does
The proposals for many of highways built in the 1960's were they pay for construction costs through toll collection for a fixed period of time. Once paid for, the road would be under the states highway system and maintained with (primarily) gasoline taxes. The plan back-fired, noticeably in Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Turnpike was scheduled to have it's bond paid by ~1985. The state continued collecting tolls and still does. Electronic "EZ-Pay" systems made collections almost transparent to motorists. States found these were cheap and easy to set up and another revenue stream was created. Fuel taxes stayed the same, or even increased.
Fuel taxes have not increased, they have been decreasing constantly, because they are absolute money values that don't track inflation. As pointed out in the video, the federal gas tax hasn't changed since 1993, which means in reality, the federal gas tax has gone DOWN by 54%
Ky did have toll roads they did get paid off and became free roads
I'll give you a thumbs up when you explain why the cost of building a road went beyond inflation levels. Just kind of skimmed over that...
Ofc, let’s tax the people that barely make ends meet for driving to their jobs to make a minimum wage while the rest making 6 figures plus work from home… MA has some of the highest taxes in the country, yet still when I drive in Boston I feel like I’m off-roading or something…
And, you're in favor of all this? How long before They find a way to charge us for the air that we breathe?
Politicians are modern day vampires!
So people are punished for having higher efficiency cars despite the price of fuel going thru the roof 🤦🏿♂️
It’s because we’re making ourselves poorer and can’t afford to make really expensive things free to use anymore.
We don't make ourselves poorer. Those who have power to extract wealth from us make us poorer. That's how America works now and it's all private.
This isn’t the answer. The US is wealthier than ever is real terms. You’d never guess that though 😬
A lot of infrastructure (read: suburbs) was built on loan from the feds but there isn't enough economic density to maintain them so cities go into debt for their suburbs. It was unsustainable from the start.
@@maddog2314The interstate system is also at fault...
"affordable for everyone" bruh, sone people cant pay for gas let alone a new fee for just existing again
VMT and the fuel tax is essentially the same. Having two different taxes billed different ways is a HUGE waste of money and time.
In Europe roads are mostly free, but the fuel tax is a percentage of the price, so it is adjusting to inflation.
This is just another "subscription-based" model to tax people more - what will be next? Air tax? Nothing else is free in the US...
Living in Pennsylvania, the vehicle miles traveled tax has me worried. We already have one of the highest gas taxes in the country. It's going to cause more people to become poor, unfortunately.
I do all my driving with NO TOLLS set on any trip. Time? Retired now. I've 'paid' for the roads all my working life with my tax dollars, not paying for them again (well, except for the gas taxes as it should be). Been across this country east/west and back 4 times in last 5 months.
That last point is very dumb since often the richest people have the shortest commutes so you’re punishing people who have to buy a cheaper home that’s further from where they work. Charging based on consumption is an inherently regressive tax policy.
That is completely off base. Consumption based taxes are the only ones that make sense. Value add taxes (VAT) is a progressive consumption tax that works.
If people have excessive tolls costs for work that will be negotiated between employer compensation and the worker.
Besides, long commutes to have a cheaper single family home is a complete personal decision. The only real issue is the lack of cheap public rents in cities.
It's also flawed, because the guy driving his H3 Hummer with spinning rims as his commuter vehicle is causing more road damage than someone with a beat up Toyota Corolla from the 90s. If the argument is "cost to maintain" then that should be taken into account, and neither of those cars come anywhere close to the damage to roads done by larger vehicles like semi-trucks and ... wait for it... buses. Fact is weight matters for road damage and road damage is why roads need maintenance. Sometimes I see signs on the backs of buses that say "this bus is taking 80 cars off the road" (lets ignore the fact there's no where near 80 people in the bus usually) but that bus is probably damaging the road considerably more than 80 cars will.
@@Mike__B True, There are a lot of ways VMT can be optimized. But it seems to be the best option. The money collected should be used to fund public transit.
@@TheModeler99 Then the VMT needs to state that's why it's being done, maybe it does I don't live in Oregon, but this entire thesis revolves around the fact there isn't enough money to fund the roads, it's not that there isn't enough money to fund other projects it's the ROADS that are not funded which is why we need toll lanes, VMT, gas taxes etc. It's not "lets raise money for public transit"
The problem with NYC is that the MTA is using the toll roads to fund subways and not giving drivers anything in return
Since you want to use California as an example, you really should mention that the legislature keeps finding ways to use gas taxes for things other than road construction and maintenance. Despite multiple ballot initiatives forbidding them from doing that.
In my country, government charges road tax and tolls on every major street.
Gov loves taking money without accountability
Tolls are fine....but only if there are alternatives modes of transport like trains...which, I don't know if anyone in the US has noticed, there ISNT ANY
The real reason: Simple Greed.
VMT does not need to track you. You can have your vehicle miles clocked at an annual emissions test or registration renewal. Even better, it would be a fee paid per mile, multiplied by the weight of the vehicle. American cars have gotten significantly larger, and heavier, as time goes on. Road damage increases exponentially with weight.
This is a great idea! Car-brained commenters often ask bicyclists to "pay their fair share of road costs", yet don't realize their 4-ton gender-affirming pickup truck purchase causes 600,000 times more road wear than my 200 lb bike. The 4th power law grows crazy fast.
This subsidizes heavier inefficient vehicles. Gas tax makes sense in this case since if you don't travel much you don't need to use more gas
@@siddheshrane the VMT would be multiplied by a lot for vehicles of that weight.
@@siddheshraneit does not subsidize heavy vehicles. And heavy vehicles are what damage the road. There needs to be a weight tax
@@siddheshranewith a charge by weight you would, properly, charge electric cars. You would even charge them more (by size) because electric cars are very heavy in comparison.
Miami’s got all them tolls beat… Express Lanes on I-95 NB from Downtown to the Golden Glades, 10 miles, I’ve seen Rush Hour Surge Pricing at $25.90! That’s $2.60/mile!!!
Crazy. And the express lanes sometimes still go as slow as everyone else.
We already paid for those roads - we do not pay over and over to use what belongs to us - see the roads don't belong to these elected officials who think of so many bright ideas
The Japan approach is very good, the expressways are tolled, while the slower local roads are paid with property tax. Highways are the best roads, the safest, best to drive on, and it is no wonder why they are so popular, because they are free.
elaborate toll roads are more expensive to build. Just raise the damn gas tax. Sick of the Bravo Sierra!
Roads don’t have to be that expensive. It’s called mismanagement and incompetence.
forgot corruption.
Lol at all these "problem-solvers" whereas the problem-makers which are the big corporations who make workers drive to the office are just sitting back and letting others fix their problems for them
It's called "usery fees". It's what our oligarchs do to avoid paying TAXES
Private toll roads should be illegal.
Wow. Call me crazy but it's almost as if government isn't good at doing stuff.
i think you're confusing ineptitude with corruption/complicite
Where are our taxes going???
Every tax has been justified as “how do expect to pay for roads”? Then they add tolls. They add express lanes. They add per mile.
Then what the hell am I being taxed for?
The most expensive army in the world?
If all economists agree on nickel and diming driving on roads, then I agree that all economists need to eat my shorts.
Tolls are useless (even the automated ones). They cost nearly as much to operate as they collect, and the traffic jams they cause reduce the utility of our freeways.
Road infrastructure funding should be built into the gas tax.
I live in Stockholm and while congestion tax lowered the amount of cars driving through the city centre it increased the traffic going around it instead. So the tax actually just moved the traffic from the rich areas to the poor areas rather than decrease it in total. This is also proven by the fact that public transport usage only increased as much as the population did during the time of measurement. People still need to go north to south or east to west and Stockholm do not have good options for that other than by car and with congestion tax they only made the journey more expensive since your options are paying up to $12 per day in tax or take the longer route through the suburbs :/
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Massive wealth transfer from the poor, middle and upper class to the most wealthy.
Dude the quality of this vid is INSANE
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this is getting out of hand probably going to start charging you for leaving your house
Did you just exhale greenhouse gases?
We'll have to charge you for that chap.
I would say mismanagement of tax dollers is a huge factor. Let's fix that first then worry about asking for more money.
Go back to gravel and dirt roads, design good public transport. Asphalt is too expensive taxes destroy the middle class
How on earth can it cost $47M per mile too build a road? That is obscene.
In CA, the rich get to skip the line past all those poors .
K brokie 😂
Thank you for the incredibly informative video. It was easy to understand and the visuals were simple yet effective. I for one, have a new understanding of the complexities of road infrastructure that I did not have before.
I tend to believe this is more a matter of American drivers' improper lane usage, i.e. camping in passing lanes.
I would love to see how much of an issue this is in an European country like Germany.
Congestion pricing is horrible for citizens
Vmt wow thats serious 1984 coming true. Everywhere you go tracked, government contol nightmare
Imagine paying taxes so your government can build infrastructure only to have corporations that dont even pay their own taxes go and buy those roads up to make you pay them
What corporations are you referring to?
Many toll roads were initially set up as a temporary means to pay off the loan to build a road or bridge then discontinue the tolls as soon as the loan was paid off. Some have done this (such as Peña Blvd going to Denver International Airport) while many turnpikes east of the Mississippi are still collecting tolls long after the fact!
For the love of god don't make VMT based on a big brother tracking system. My car has an odometer, just check it when I renew my registration. Tracking technology is completely unnecessary here.
what a truly awful idea...
Mismanagement of funds. Exorbitantly expensive contracts. They have more efficient systems. Cameras have replaced toll operators. So they saved a couple million a year. Even with all the reduction in labor, toll costs keep going up and up, new tolls, etc.
Do you realize that the construction costs quoted, work out to over $10,000 per linear FOOT of road? That's insane!
So are they going to lower property taxes?
We also have to stop giving our federal dollars back to the states for silly things like creating congesting tolls and taxing. As a matter of fact no money should be going back to states for individual issues. That is our money that could be used in our own state.
My solution is to pass the government financial responsible Bill and de regulate zoning laws toll roads on the most congested roads
... If they say it's because of pollution, then show them the Miami Port on a "Regular Sunday" and quite frankly, the bunker oil emissions are millions of cars on the road for a year, burned every trip. Put the tax on that ship fuel and don't let them claim it back, they'll be flush for money.
And airplanes. Watch the engines as a plane take off.
Which emissions are you talking about? If it’s GHGs, then cars (“Light Duty Vehicles”) account for 58% of US transport emissions. Ships and boats account for only 3%. (2021 EPA data). As for other emissions, NOx and ozone will probably track with CO2 (it happens any time you burn something). The one exception might be PM, since that depends more on the fuel type and engines.
F ck toll roads. Never paid a toll for road usage, nor will I.
Funny how the video went from we need tolls because there isn't enough money being raised to build/maintain roads to talking about siphoning that money for public transit in the next. Which is it? Either there isn't enough money to fund roads or there is an excess of funding such that we can divert funding to other priorities, you can't have it both ways. It's disingenuous.
Congestion pricing was pulled and there is no way that VMT will take off.
I think it should be a tax based exponentially on GVW since that is how road damage occurs. We need to leverage the previously subsidized highway shipping industry and use it to fund public transit
Knowledge is power, stand up for your rights given to you. Wake up sheeple
Why pay taxes for my roads?
bro....... just make public transportation better
bro..... nobody with an actual job enjoys riding filthy public transit with a bunch of crazy whacko's. It only works in certain cities because the alternatives are utter chaos. We see how pathetic the subways are and the only way to clean them up is by having tons of police everywhere and that will only work for so long because the cost to do that is just ridiculous.
cope
It's hilarious that every time there's a race between public transit and somebody in a car, no matter how horrible the public transit is delayed or the worst in the country.. It still always beats the car.
Car culture is short-sighted
Seriously, if you want a great driving experience, you should be a hardcore advocate for public transit less cars on the road is a better experience for the people still on the road.
@@matthewboyd8689 Not sure where you saw this, but it's absolute BS around here for sure. I can beat any public transit because they have to stop at so many dropoff and pickup points that they take forever to get anywhere. Maybe you are talking about only subway trains? I can see them winning in many cases due to the level of congestion in the streets. Or maybe you're talking about high speed trains over seas? Yeah, those win for sure if you live in and work in cities far apart.
Make driving more expensive to force people to stay confined within their '15 minute cities'.
I still see people all alone in their cars wearing their face nappies. What is it about peoples lust to be controlled all the time?
fuck tolls, just raise the gas tax by .20 cents
That doesn’t help with electric cars or other non gas vehicles. It would only be a temporary fix as less and less cars use gas.
Charging people more will backfire. No one wants to pay people are cash strapped already. I guess we'll just let the roads decay then and watch them turn to dirt roads
Roads should be free to drive once you pay for the vehicle, gas, property tax and registration. We dont need to nickle and dime the smallest amount of freedom. And, rather than focusing on raising revenue... maybe figure out why the construction is so damn expensive. Im somewhat ok with time limited Congestion fees because they are similar to parking meters we always have had, just very much minimize the hours they are in effect so thrifty people can avoid them.
With better car gas mileage, less gasoline tax receipts. No free lunch here so just substituting one tax for another tax. Not a surprise.
PS - Toll roads have been around since the founding of the Republic.
Gas was never a 'use tax' addressing externalities, because heavier axle weight vehicles cause essentially all the user wear on roads. You in the sedan are subsidizing SUVs to an extent, and heavy commercial trucks even moreso.
As someone from rural Wisconsin making you pay for each mile traveled is crazy, we have to drive so far for work each day, truck drivers alone drive hundreds to thousands of miles to driver goods and cargo and I know that won’t be put on the company but on the people who are already struggling. The congestion plan is flawed in the sense that the cities in which it’s going to implement is going to affect lower socioeconomic groups hardest, and also by the fact that we don’t have public transportation that is as readily available for people to use as they do in European countries like Switzerland for example.
when i see toll signs i put my car in reverse on the highway (to get out of them), they're dangerous for drivers 😅
"Most of us are traveling around with smartphones" NOT a good excuse. We do not need more places where the same data needs to be stored. Ever heard of not reusing the same password because it makes ti less secure? We do not need the same data being stored in multiple honey pots. The American Data Privacy and Protection Act just got proposed to also help with this, and Pornhub is actively protesting states requiring real ID verification, although their proposed solution isn't much better.
People don't realize the true cost of creating a society dependent on cars. Toll roads allow people to break from this illusion that the cost of cars ends at purchasing a car and fuel.
Of course. Our government wants tax anyway they can. No matter what they say they are striving for.
Your ISP having data about you is not the government having that same data. There are hoops to jump.
Yeah hear me out, just don’t pay it
It would be fine if there were public transport alternatives. But there aren’t.
In New Jersey they have turn pike where you get a ticket that gets punched when you get on the road and your time gets punch when you leave the turn pike. Than your speed is calculated by the amount of tme you spent getting from Point A to Point B. If your MPH is calculated above the speed limite your are printed out speeding ticket on the spot. That's why the cost of New Jersey tolls seem more expensive.
not legal
This is not true. I take the NJ turnpike every day.
Wow, never seen someone so confidently spew bullshit like that. I literally live in NJ and this has never happened.
@@cake7986 YEA
Why is roads so expensive? Need a video on that! But toll roads and congested areas pricing will be the start of separation of wealth at worst but definitely will punish the working class. How about we do a combo raise gas tax, start state oil that runs at cost not for profit, raise the taxes on rich Government is not here to make profit that will be the death of capitalism but just some of my opinions
Toll roads are really useful. Just ask the people of Rock Ridge.
Im happy i live in South Australia, one of two state that dont have tolls in Australia
Im trying to detox myself from smart phones, i shouldnt have to effing have one to drive.
Thats not a good future.
Morning Brew is turning into my new documentary series
Like most urbanist discussions of roads, this video fails to take transportation of goods into account. Roads are important pathways for almost all the things we consume.