Secondary Watercolor Palette - 6 Pigment Limited Palette
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- čas přidán 28. 10. 2021
- I found out about this 6 pigment Secondary Watercolor Palette on the handprint website and thought I'd give it a try. According to the website it 'offers the most evenly balanced and highly saturated range of mixing possibilities of any minimal palette'.
Sounds good right?
Let me know what you think in the comments.
You can find out information about this palette on the handprint website here : www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/pale...
Materials used in this video:
Baohong Academy watercolor paper 300gsm Coldpressed
Escoda Perla Round Travel Brush Size 10
Rembrandt Aureoline
Rembrandt Cadmium Red
Rembrandt Quinacridone Rose Magenta
Rembrandt Ultramarine Deep
Rembrandt Phthalo Blue Red
Van Gogh Phthalo Green
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Great video! Yes Id like to see you compare the secondary and split primary palettes!!😁 Thanks for sharing🌸🌼❤💜
Thank you 🙏 You're very welcome. I'll get working on a split primary video soon.
I need to look to see if this video is up already. If not, I second the motion.
Phthalo green is great to have!! If you want to use it for "greens" try mixing in red...it turns a nice olive. I generally agree with you though, it's not great for vegetation. It is, however, great for water...and for mixing a deep, almost dioxazine shade of purple with the magenta!! ❤️
I don't know if I'll ever like phthalo green. No matter what I try and do with it it ends up looking horrible 🤣
I don't often paint water but I can see that it would be useful.
Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Good to see an update of the previous CMYK video. I enjoy limited palettes myself. As much as I pretty much only use 2-4 paints in a painting, I believe it's sometimes needed in watercolor to have different paints and pigments because watercolor is such a transparent media. In oil or acyrlic painting, indeed u can mix pretty much every hue with just CMYK forever, as they are opaque mediums, the subtlety which watercolor is known for, such as granulation, transparency dont show thru as much in oil or acyrlic or other opaque mediums. This is why even tho to complete most of my paintings, I only use 2-4 pigments, I have a palette of 10 or more different paints. Sometimes, I don't want to use granulating pigments, sometimes the pigments are too opaque, or sometimes the pigments are too staining or not staining enough. The behaviors of watercolor paints are so unique and the white paper as base can be unforgiving too. The specialty some pigments offer simply cannot be mixed. Also, I use phthalo green in my painting but I tend to avoid mixing green with it. Instead, I mix light-midtone greens myself, and darken shadow places with a mix of phthalo green with a red pigment to make it a very very dark and deep green to neutral grey or black.
Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏 I think that's a good idea to use the phthalo green to mix darks rather than mix greens with it. I would never usually use it but gave it a go as it's in this palette.
I actually really like the phthalogreen abd the lost green mixed you created with them - though I can definitely see why you don't really enjoy using it. The phthalos are real fickle little beast after all, they so easily overpower other, less robust or vibrant pigments.
I went this way for a while early on inspired from the same source. It has it's pros and cons. Pros include the most vibrant clean colors. Cons include a lack of cohesiveness. Contrary to what you think at first you still have to mix.. a lot.. unless you only paint rainbows. I don't care for it, I find the split primary a much more usable option.. for example you have easy access to at least six of each secondary instead of just one simply by mixing your warms/cools/both. I do however really like a version of this palette that contains muted natural hues in each place.. it makes painting easy and quick especially for landscapes, nature, etc. Typically I go with yellow ochre, quin magenta or rose (which isn't really that muted but I prefer it for mixing over something like alizarin), ultramarine blue, sap or other mixed green depending on brand, burnt sienna or other natural orange, and a muted purple such as perelyne violet. You could adjust any of these as desired, such as using quins/phthalos if you love vibrancy or deep earth tones in all the places, but try to include one mixing complement for easy grey (in this case the ultramarine and burnt sienna). This is typically my base palette in any given brand (often minus the purple as it's harder to find a good lightfast option in some brands and easy to mix), and I usually find myself eventually adding the extra primaries to make the split and a dark such as sepia or paynes grey... although you can just simply go with black and mix your own darks. I never understood why people moan about black but consider the convenience colors using it top paints.. makes zero sense.
ohhh yes~ love it! i've thought about putting together a tiny palette like this before as well but i just can't live without my blues and turquoises haha~ need to learn to continue minimizing. love the aesthetic wheels and the painting!
Thanks very much 🙏 I think this would be great for a minimal travel palette but I don't think I'd like to use it too often. Too much mixing needed.
Funnily enough I have most of these colours in my travel palette. I love the Pthalos to create a range of turquoise shades. I also love how they mix with transparent red oxide to make deep, interesting tones. Also quite cool mixed with a Van Dyk brown. Can’t wait to see the comparison!
Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
I have seen many watercolor painters use phthalo green with great results so I'm sure it is a very useful pigment. I just hate it so have never got used to using it. 🤣
I forgot to say that I enjoyed the painting. I've been taught to paint the sky then blot out the clouds. It's a struggle. So, I see the way you did your clouds and I'm like, duh. Thanks for sharing or else I'd still be struggling with my clouds. I'm going to start painting skies again. 🙂
I think this turned out very nice but I also find the Phthalos hard to work with to keep them from taking over. I wonder if Viridian might be easier to work with. (I just happen to like Viridian a lot.) Or maybe nuke the green altogether and add a purple instead, like a Diox Purple. The blues do seem a bit same-y and there is a bit of a hole in the violet range. (OTOH, that yellow green you mixed is really nice and it would be hard to give that up by eliminating the green completely.)
That Cad Red is a lovely orange and it really makes a great red when mixed with the Quin. After all this time thinking of red as a primary, it still surprises me to be able to mix such a bright clear red!
I used to feel like that about phthalos too. I just decided to spend some time getting used to using the phthalo blue and now it's my favorite. Still not a lover of phthalo green though 🤣
I did this exercise along with the video with paints that I have. Quite a neon pink PR122 and the suggested PV19. What a difference! I also did Phthalo Blue red shade in one colour wheel and green shade in another. This gave me a chance to see my own preferences. Well worth the time.
I've worked with a split primary palette, but not always happy with it. I've wondered about adding secondary colors instead. This was an interesting and timely video. I, too, vote for a comparison of the two palettes.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
I'll get working on a comparison video soon.
Beautifully done. Phthalo green is tough, i find the yellow shade is easier to mix into something more natural. I think it always needs toning down with a little red to get rid of that unnatural look. I like how it came out though!
Thank you very much 🙏 I spend lots of time trying to tone down the phthalo green, with some yellow and red, but it turns out horrible whatever I do to it 🤣
I love the red you mixed! I'd love to see this done with pthalo blue green shade.
Please do a split primary video!
Thank you 🙏. I'll get working on a split primary video soon 😊
Amazing-never seen this done before. A little bright for me-but definitely pretty. You're skies are always the best. They look so real. I think you're greens look very good.
Thank you very much. Yes the palette is too bright for me also. Using it.makesnme miss my earth colors even more 🤣
When I was in college, the Split Primary palette and Bauhaus color theory were all the rage. Now these have apparently fallen out of favor. Love your work! This palette looks fantastic!
Thank you. The split primary is still going strong. I think I prefer it actually 😊
I learned the split primary palette in college as well. We used alizarin crimson and couldn't make a decent bright fuchsia.
@@JayNathanWatercolor Have you done a video on the split-primary palette? I'm interested to know why you prefer it. My issue with it is that the theory, the explanation of _why_ it works, isn't accurate. But if a full gamut is needed, split-primary works great as long as one of the "reds" is magenta and one of the "blues" is cyan. Since the other red and blue are in effect secondary colors, I would think that the only real difference between it and the secondary palette is that you have two yellows and no green. I'm afraid I think about painting more than I paint, but recently I did a bit of acrylic painting and decided that PG7 is actually kind of a pain. I kept mixing it with yellow ochre to make it yellower, more opaque, less saturated, and more useful for painting greens found in nature. Anyway, I'd love to hear your perspective and hope you have a video about it
Great video. Great video Jay. Definitely a great choice, I think he likes it more than the other, the result in the painting is rich and vibrant, I like it a lot. I have to try the Aueroline, I think it is a very interesting pigment. A very good option.
Thank you Jose 🙏 This color palette definitely gives rich and vibrant mixes 😊
Try using the PG7 with yellow oranges and orange yellows, you should get more realistic greens. Mix PG7 with a magenta or a rosey, cool red for a deep blue-black.
Great video Jay, I really like the split primary and I think the finished painting is beautiful. I know what you mean about phthalo green, I only really use it now with a cool red to mixed a dark grey
Thank you very much 🙏 I don't think Phthalo Green and I will ever get on 🤣
Mix PG7 with yellow and a touch of red. It's basically in every single palette that you can buy.. I had it as my mixing green on the palette for a long time. Neutralizing can be a problem if you use PR122 because the neutral will be more on the blue end of a "neutral". PV19 Quin. Rose would be a better choice. It is slightly warmer than Quinacridone Magenta. I know it's a very useful pigment for color mixing but I don't use it anymore. Same with PG36.. I don't use it that much.
Yeah I try to adjust the PG7 with yellow and red but it still ends up looking horrible to me. Much easier to just mix my own green with blues and yellows. I think I just have a bit of a mental block when it comes to PG7 🤣
yeah, a split primary, please!
May I suggest another thing? PG7 is an interesting (but somehow a difficult) color. Have you thought about a mixing chart with it? Maybe with PB15 or PY42 or something else? I have been using Van Gogh but since you have different brands, maybe some mixes will be (more) interesting. What do you think?
Ok I'll get working on a split primary video soon. PG7 is definitely not a color I like painting with. Maybe more practice and making a mixing chart would be a good idea? I still think I will always hate it though 🤣
Great that you included a demo of this palette. Did you hate the greens you used? I didn't! I thought the painting turned out quite bright, transparent and luminous compared to your usual palette. But I get that you had to mix all the earths and that's kind of a pain. Not the easiest to use for landscapes for sure.
Yeah I really didn't like the greens. I much prefer my usual palette of colors.
I like a split primary, if I can't get a primary triad that works well for me. But I am not fuzzy about pallets and colours. I use anything really. XD
I like the split primary too. Probably because it's what I am most used to. Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Nice 😊😊
Thank you 🙏
I admit you can get most colors with this kind of palette... But..! I find them so tiring to use! I like to have a few neutrals around!
Yes especially for landscapes. Using this palette you have to neutralise everything so you are constantly making 3 pigment mixes. Very tiring indeed.
great video! can you do Handprint's basic palette?
Hold on, wouldn’t Ultramarine Indigo (PV15) like Smalt Blue from W&N work better instead of Ultramarine because it complements yellow better? Same goes for Phthalo Green (YS), PG36 instead of (BS) PG7.
I use PY150 as my warm yellow in my split primary palette. I don't like Phthalo/Veridian greens either. Even though they can make some awesome colors on a color chart. Just not for me.
Jay, stick to your guns, mate. I too can't abide phth green- life's too short and precious to undergo this torture. Painting's meant to be fun and enjoyment. I swear I'm allergic to using ph green.
Wait he has guns?