Shogun 1x2 REACTION!! “Servants of Two Masters”
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- Eric Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 1 episode 2 of Shōgun - Servants of Two Masters - #Shōgun
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BOATS, JAPAN - 00:00
Reaction - 00:24
Red Man Eric - 23:39
Truth In All Motives - 24:05
Switcheroo - 26:13
Playing The Game - 26:46
That Guy - 30:35
Cool Intro & Map - 31:30
Lost In Translation - 31:57
Keeping Up - 32:15
Yearning To Quote Japanese - 34:33
Dark Thoughts - 35:25
John, Yoshi, Subtle, Good - 37:17
Wut’s The Flux?! - 38:17
Shower Time - 39:05
Great Show, Great Cast, Great Portuguese? - 39:54
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It is a historical fact that Japan was claimed as Portuguese territory by the demarcation of Spain and Portugal. In historical fact, Portuguese missionary Gaspar Coelho and others committed crimes such as passing weapons to Christian feudal lords and abducting Japanese people and selling them overseas as slaves. Sensing this, Taiko Toyotomi Hideyoshi issued an order to expel Christians, leading to the isolation of the country during the Edo period.
There were good Portuguese too, that's not to be ignored. Japan has improved its military and foreign knowledge because of their relations with the Portuguese. Of course there were it's crimes throughout, which were even then, also partly organized by corrupted Japanese power as well.
The Dutch were the only ones allowed to trade with japan from 1639 to 1859.
@@Rolgi exactly the dutchs "good intentions" sure bought them a nice monopoly , unfortunately with how morally grey life is there were few good intention when fighting over so much power and riches no matter what time period or where you came from
The Treaty of Tordesillas of 7 June 1494 involves agreements between King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile and King John II of Portugal establishing a new demarcation line between the two crowns, running from pole to pole, 370 leagues to the west of Cape Verde islands.
The easten part of south america ended up on Portugals side and that is why Brazil is the only country in south america that dont speak spanish.
Let it be known here right now that Shogun is a bright example of why shooting on location captures everything so much more than the volume and green screen. No offense to the volume I know it has its uses but taken in the scenery of this show is just amazing!
Absolutely. Shows that shoot on location like Shogun, Andor, and pretty much any HBO production give the audience a real sense of scale and tangibility that does so much to immerse viewers in the setting of which the story takes place. It's something that's really difficult to replicate in a studio.
You simply can't beat the real thing. All the CGI and special effects in the world are nothing to shooting on location.
The volume is pretty amazing though, it's pretty good most of the time.
Pretty sure this was all shot in Vancouver. But nonetheless still agree that it’s much more immersive than all this heavy CGI productions
And talking about the volume specifically, the difference between Andor and Mando even at a first glance is so fucking clear.
The reason for the crew shooting in Canada is simply because Japan has modernized so much and so vast, and they couldn't properly convey the beauty of pre-modern Japan.
That being said, I think they did a good job at transforming the beauty of the Canadian wilderness into 1600 Japan.
"Unless I win"
That one line shakes the ground for Toranaga and he is pleased.
I wish they'd kept the original context, but I understand they didn't want to get into european politics at the time, it's more important to focus on Japan.
@@Sinewmirewhat do you mean?
@@KingKing-cz6xh I think they meant that it would be nice to have more historical background on the conflict in Europe at the time, but that shouldn't be the central focus of the show. That conflict only serves as a backdrop for what's happening in Japan
@@KingKing-cz6xh
on the line "unless i win" in the book it was played differently.
blakcthorne was telling england's war vs spain/portugal and they were allies with holland who are technically in rebellion.
toranaga quipped that there are no mitigating circumstances when it comes to rebelling against a sovereign lord
blackthorne replies, "unless you win"
in the book context it is more significant since toranaga will essentially rebel against the will of the taiko and as a loyal vasal he shouldnt be rebelling in the first place and blackthorne gave him the answer to this. everything will be settled if the rebel wins
@@greggreyes6869 with this context, toranaga saying “you shouldn’t wage this war, you’re outnumbered and it’s hopeless” is something that applies to his own situation as much as blackthorne’s, and “unless i win” functions in a similar way. not as pronounced as what you explained happened in the book, but i think it can be read similarly!
I haven’t become this instantly addicted to a show in years! The scene of Blackthorn telling Lord Toranaga about the true motives of the church was so gripping I was literally at the edge of my seat.
And the level of authenticity of feudal Japan in this show is mind blowing.
Especially the idea that Blackthorn is literally shattering their worldview with every sentence. "By the way, the Earth is round. Our nations are tiny islands in it. Oh and the Pope signed this treaty to carve it up as property of the Spanish and Portuguese."
@@TomtheWonderDog Im not sure if the world being round is such an unknown in this world.
@@Arctic_Stark it was pretty much known in eastern world about solar system. but not about other countries. like European countries
@@Arctic_StarkIt's possible, but the Confucian model held by most East Asian nations said the world was flat or box shaped. The most shocking part of hearing him describe it as a fruit would have been the idea that you can circumnavigate it.
Me too. I had to rewind the scene twice because it's so fucking good.
In an interview with Hiroyuki Sanada, he was saying that the Japanese that was spoken in the show wasn’t the modern version, and that it was equivalent to learning Shakespeare.
I just looked this up, and the same year that this story took place (1600), Shakespeare was writing Hamlet.
I keep hearing some retroflex “r’s”. I don’t detect that in modern Japanese. Was that part of the phonology at the time?
Really love the subtle way that Toranaga gives that tiny little smile for just an instant every time Blackthorne impresses him.
In the book, Toranaga laughs .. it was important scene
@@lisaburris9045I do have to admit I preferred the book version, where the discussion was about the Dutch rebelling against the Spanish crown. "It's not rebellion if you win". Ties more in with the themes of the overall story.
@@kallemort I love that they didn't have to spell it out in the show.
Just so you guys know. The heir’s mother wasnt in labour. Toranaga said in the first episode said “The Lady Ochiba (Heirs Mother)’s sister, my daughter-in-law, is in labour.” So she was ‘visiting’ her sister, who is Toranaga’s, son’s, wife. And therefore his grandson was being born.
And for what its worth, in the book Ishido was [very?] in love with Lady Ochiba. So in that regard she was as good a hostage as Toranaga could have had for his own safety.
I'm still confused about this. Have we seen the Heir's Mother yet? We have seen the Heir (the boy) right.
@@hazri8758 Only fleetingly. Her only lines was at Taiko's deathwatch/funeral where she asked the Portuguese priest what if the Kingdom of God is up his barbarian backside.
For an interesting piece of backstory, Ishido is very in love with her (in the book) and the Lady Ochiba is probably Toranaga's biggest enemy. She has identified Toranaga as being a direct threat to her and her son (the Heir) and its her that I believe is behind most of animosity and distrust of Toranaga by the other reagents. Obviously, I don't know how much if any role she will come to play in the show. -- And yes, we've seen the Heir. He is the only 10 or 12 year old boy we've seen on the show and we've seen quite a bit of him. The older teenager (16 or so) is Mariko and Buntaro's son.
@@hazri8758 We have seen the mother. She is younger than most people expected. She is the one who looks at Toranaga enviously as they shut the door when the Taiko asks to speak with him on his death bed. She tells the priests that maybe gods kingdom is up their a***s
@@TheGhost-fk4eo oh yeah that one
The world being split in half between the Spanish and Portuguese is historically accurate with the "Treaty of Tordesillas" I remember learning that in school, being Portuguese myself😅
Tratato das tortilhas 😂half the world kinda hate us😕
@@JetTheReaperremember it was Portuguese who were losing their life in the discoveries and voyages, should others who risked nothing enjoy the profits of our sacrifice? What a naive notion.
@@Cobalt1520I get what you are saying,it took alot of blood, sweat, tears and countless lives,it's our past and history,i've seen people/countries asking for "reparations",that's what i meant.
I learned that in school because that mofo Magellan landed in my country
Indeed. Treaty of Tordesillas was agreeing on the western line that split the Americas, Treaty of Zaragoza was for the eastern line splitting East Asia.
Mariko's father (and the family) are a disgraced line, like the samurai that had the outburst during the first episode. She was supposed to die as well. Her dark secret is that she probably still wants to at times, which goes against her faith, as well her new sense of duty to Toranaga. She likely told the priest during an early confessional, so he knows enough to check.
Mariko is based on Hosokawa Gracia, who refused to commit seppuku due to her Christian faith. I think "dark thoughts" and what she told the wife of the samurai who committed seppuku in the first episode means that she wants to die, and has survivor's guilt over not dying with her family, but is a true believer so won't kill herself.
Her father is famous,. Akechi Jinsai - the one who killed Goroda
the way the female actresses seemingly glide along the ground as they walk is subtle but so impressive, at least to me, that it stood out immediately. a small detail that i'm sure took preparation/practice that really just adds to the detail of the show.
Anna Sawai (the actress who plays Mariko, the translator) practiced that walk very often and one time a woman at a store asked her if she was feeling alright, if she wanted to go to the bathroom
The kimono undergarments restrict the knees, so they have to walk that way to get around.
It's how ALL Japanese women walk. Their feet are different to other races, they have wheels in their heels that they can activate when they need to be silent.
I hope the show stays this strong for the remaining episodes because it's SO F'IN GOOD, captivating in a way I haven't had since early Game of Thrones, and Black Sails.
I have just started watching Black Sails and it is really good. Just like Shogun, all shots and character interaction seem very focussed and intentional and it's just fun to witness competent storytelling.
I'm glad this series called out how arrogant the Treaty of Tordesillas was.
arrogant yet benevolent by those times standars, spanish and portuguese at least gave them the options to convert into catholisim and rule or die as pagans, while the british chose mass murdering and rule directly, This is the reason why the natives in the territories occupied by the Spanish and Portuguese today continues to be the majority, unlike the territories occupied by the British... People have taken the black legend too seriously and it was nothing more than British propaganda.
It wasn't that arrogant considering Europeans would go on to control the entire world... 😂 Even Japan was eventually forced to drop its traditional culture, modernise, and open up by the US in the late 1800s.
@@mattwatson not only is it arrogant to claim two continents when there were societies that had thriving cultures there, it was arrogant for Spain and Portugal to claim it's theirs without the other European powers being consulted. This treaty was a joke and none of the other European powers honored it.
@@chaost4544 It 100% was arragant, although for a good few centruries you would be forgiven for thinking otherwise, considering how effective spain was in their conquests. That did not end up working out for them, in no small part due to their arragoance.
Blackthorn speaks Dutch to his crew, Portuguese to the priests and Mariko (in the books he also speaks Latin to her), Japanese to the samurai (though poorly) and Spanish to the Friar in the prison. He sometimes speaks English when there is no one around him who understands any of the languages he speaks.
What I'm enjoying is the fact that we are getting more of the political side of the story, which they were not able to do with the original mini series. Audiences are more accustom to reading subtitles now than they were back in the day. Also helps that TV screens are so much more massive and better than they were back then.
If I remember correctly there were not many subtitles before Blackthorn starts to learn Japanese in the 80`s series. You just got morsels from the narrator every so often. This is one of the things I loved about the old show, that you were locked to Blackthorns experience of what was going on. This is also why it is very much a good thing to have this modern show with more of the background from the Japanese perspective.
Narrated by Orson Wells, so it sounded great.
didnt the friar in the prison in the books thought he was spanish (failing eyes) and was why he was disclosing a lot of secrets to him
Yes. There was a bitter rivalry between the Jesuits and Friars in the book. With Friar Domingo failing eyes and being isolated from his own people, he was ready to tell Blackthorn everything. Toronaga knew of the priest, but could do very little about it because he was a prisoner of the Taiko and therefor he had no claim over him, even after the Taiko death.
I wished they spoke actual portuguese on the show, me speaking portuguese may or may not be the reason 😂
It's not a topknot on the falcon, it's the hood. The falcon's eyes are covered when it is not in a cage or hunting, to keep it "docile".
Interesting
'Tordesillas Treaty' was real thing. since they where the first 2 nations to find new land in the americas, spain and portugal created this to divide the world in two, and avoid conflict. and of course that anger the others nations in europe. so far the history in this is right on point
and a reminder, the first pirates where indeed secret agents of certain nations, to atack others and avoid a open war. so the guy in the first episode was right to call Blackthorne one
To divide the world TRADE, of course. You can’t expect a Nation with only one million people be capable of conquering half the world, thats ridiculous. Of course certain regions could be conquered but not most, and certainly Portugal could never conquer Japan. Yes, a treaty to regulate the trade with those new regions, remember it was Portugal and Spain who were risking the life of their countrymen, why should others benefit from that?
@@Cobalt1520 Why can't you expect that? Thats what spain managed for a good couple centruies. Thats the advantage of having the tech edge and your enemies being devistatied by disease. It just so happens the half portugule got was a bit more advanced, and less hurt by disases.
It takes a tremendous amount of strength and skill to behead someone so cleanly like that.
that little smile at "Unless i win" was brilliantly done.
That entire scene in the zen garden is the best in the whole show so far for me I absolutely loved that part, both episodes have been really good can’t wait for more!
Super happy to see authentic Japanese jidaigeki (historical drama) done properly outside of our country!
28:00 The Taiko's son, the heir, is called Yaechiyo, his mother is Lady Ochiba.
The woman having a baby was Lady Ochiba's sister Genjiko, who is married with Toranaga's son Sudara.
🫠😵💫
I thought that pregnant lady is one of Torunaga's concubine.
@@hazri8758 That's Shizu, she's still pregnant.
I literally shed a tear, seeing a good show after a very long time....
To top that, a good show coming from Disney property. Very rare these days.
@@nont18411 Truth. Also The Bear as well, it's fantastic.
after this episode, I literally yelled "fuck this is so good"
We are in the gold age of television. There are dozens of INCREDIBLE shows. Succession just ended.
I love that this show is doing a very good job of sticking to the Actual history of that period including the Treaty of Tordesillas between Spain and Portugal which divided the "new world" between them.
18:48 bro said " nah i'd win " 😂😂😂
Toranaga pushing that assassin out with his sword is such a small scene but shows so much, great acting and can not wait for more Shogun!
Mariko's 'dark thoughts' were probably referring to her desire to join her father in death. They've highlighted that kind of concept a couple of times, between talking about her and her father, and the other girl who was denied dying with her husband and son last episode.
Why would that be dark thoughts? Their whole cult is obsessed with death being the ultimate reward.
I'm enjoying this show WAY more than I thought I would. 💜
The Taiko’s armor looks spectacular. I hope we get some flashbacks to see the Taiko in his prime putting that armor in action.
That's actually (a replica of) the real life Hideyoshi's armor
Toyotomi Hideyoshi was the only person in Japan to rise from peasant status to chieftain of a samurai clan. Hence, he was given the title of "Taikoh. Since he called himself the son of the sun, his armor was made in the image of the sun.
John Blackthorne is based on the real life character of William Adams who was ships pilot and was shipwrecked on Japans coast in 1600.He went on to become an honoured advisor and samurai to Ieyasu Tokugawa ...Shogun.
I love to think that the 18:32 sequence is Yoshii Toranaga actually having a projection of himself on John Blackthorne, being on the "loser side" being outnumbered, and seeking his reaction. The reason of his smirk, which I like so much, is to me a validation of "I see we both see it the same way.. I'm overpowered, and everything would lead me to loose.. unless I win at this game !". Such a coooool scene in that garden.
same in the books but different context. but same point in the story where toranaga sees a connection between them
on the line "unless i win" in the book it was played differently.
blackthorne was telling england's war vs spain/portugal and they were allies with holland who are technically in rebellion.
toranaga quipped that there are no mitigating circumstances when it comes to rebelling against a sovereign lord
blackthorne replies, "unless you win"
in the book context it is more significant since toranaga will essentially rebel against the will of the taiko and as a loyal vasal he shouldnt be rebelling in the first place and blackthorne gave him the answer to this. everything will be settled if the rebel wins
It's like watching Star Trek. When someone "speaks" Klingon and we "hear" them in English.
Blackthorne is kinda a polyglot. It's demonstrated by his fast picking up of Japanese words, such as "hai" for "yes".
When he is talking to Rodrigo or the priest, he is talking with them in Portuguese.
I love how they used 'bureaucrat' multiple times because that's how Ishido sees himself (thus the bit about the stone) among other powerful rich lords that he needs to pull together against Toranaga who has clearly been a favored and favorite clan amongst the Taiko's family.. So Ishido is actually just insecure as much as he appears to be ambitious.
Blackthorne referred to the Doctrine of Discovery when he was drawing the world map. It is good to know this history when watching Shogun. The assassination attempt further verifies the accuracy of Blackthorne's claims.
Netflix actually has a good doc series on this part of Japanese history!
@@RandomNPC001what's the doc series called? Im interested to learn more
@@ImRyuuuuu Age of Samurai: Battle for Japan
Hiroyuki Sanada is such a talented actor, goddamn.
And his character is so clever.
I really liked Ishido's plotting in this episode. I can see why hes the true threat amongst the Council Leaders because hes the only one besides Yoshii that isnt letting Religion get in the way of the bigger picture and him being the one behind John's Breakout by seeing this guy has some usefulness is a legitimately good move.
Meanwhile,Yoshi is seeing how religion is being used to Colonize the world and him seeing the "the bigger picture" with Japans place amongst the entire globe at this point is also an amazing scene.
I really love how they are showing how Religion is truly a sneakier way of Colonizing,its happening for legitimate Centuries and i like how this story doesnt hide their place in this conflict.
They arent pirates, if they really have letters of mark from Holland, they're privateers - basically legal pirates operating on behalf of Holland, against specific enemies of Holland - in this case, Portugal.
For less confusion better imagine them as hired mercenaries who should be treated as lawful combatants rather than pirates who are outlaw thieves. The Letters would also set what the hired mercenaries were allowed to do and what was out of bounds. Modern language thanks to films have blurred what were valuable distinctions at the time. Holland was in the middle of a long war to free themselves from Spanish rule in 1600 so the Spanish and Portuguese have the incentive of not recognizing what they see as a rebel government, so to speak, when it comes to the letters of marque.
The show is set 12 years after the Spanish sent that other Armada against England and Queen Elizabeth so Blackthorne is coming from a lot of historical beef with the Spanish and Portuguese.
Somehow my favorite moment of this episode was when Toranaga quipped with his wife. For all the political backstabbings, murders and schemes, Toranaga really needs this in his life: Someone he can feel at home with.
the scene in 17: 45 is real, well sorta, the treat itself was called the Treaty of Tordesillas. Spain and Portugal really did divide the world between the two countries but it didn't include Asian, Russia, and the other countries within Europe. Spain claimed north and South American and Canada while Portugal claimed Africa and Australia.
the rivalry between catholic monarchs in europe and the church has been the source of many shenanigans in medieval time. Like having two popes for some time and what not.
This show, if they can continue this quality, will definitely be something else man. Its so good
Im stoked after the first two episodes. I feel pretty confident word of mouth will spread on this one over the next few weeks, especially considering everyone who has seen all 10 episodes say it stays consistently excellent.
I really curious about this Yabushige dude,i always love a movie with such random characterization like him
I love that American media is becoming more and more ok with subtitles in tv and films do to character language. There is just something so immersive by letting the characters speak in their native tongue when multiple languages are in the stories.
First time I saw this done was for Hiro in the Heroes show. At I was instantly in love with this
That's not what's happening here. They chanced all the other European languages to English. It's sad.
@@kassiogomes8498 Most people, never mind most actors, can not speak 5 languages. You would be lucky to find actors that speak 2.
@@Oxley016 No, should be easy to hire Portuguese speakers.
@@kassiogomes8498 Yeah I hate that. Love that they do it for Japanese but then just goes with English for an Englishman speaking Portuguese.
39:23 it also heavily depends on the climate i think. because here in the Philippines, it's very warm and humid so the norm is to shower everyday in the morning before going to work or school, otherwise u might smell later in the day 😭
Additional information, the heirs mother, and Yoshi's daughter in law are sisters, there are three of them sisters which the other one I believe become a nun. The three sisters mother is Lady Oichi, which is Nobunagas sister. The Taiko and Yoshi also served Nobunaga in the early days.
You know they just switched shirts and went straight back into it haha
Even though the smirk fit perfectly with the scene, I really wish they stuck to the book and the 80’s miniseries by having Toranaga laughing at the “Unless I Win” because it’s that moment where Blackthorne realizes that Toranaga wasn’t laughing at him like he was looking at a fool or a crazy man, but as a man that despite being alone had such a high level of confidence that he could take on the Portuguese and win.
This show is so masterfully done. I’ve seen a small amount of people say it’s boring and not enough action. First of all there has only been two episode. And second, the acting, visuals, dialogue, tension, and intrigue sucks me in more than action does! And this show has been amazing in all those regards. What a start to a show!
When you learn to appreciate a show without much action you have reached a new, better, plain of enjoyment
We don't need action.
So many people now have no attention span so this doesn’t surprise me
@@danielfrank2985 very true. It’s just gotten worse and worse with the rising popularity of short form entertainment.
It just dawned on me on rewatch that toranaga set up John as bait on purpose to test the veracity of the info brought before him. He lets Martin know John is already talking shit about the catholics so that puts a target on John's back, and when the assassin does indeed come for John, that confirms to Toranaga that what he was saying is true, or at least true enough that the church would be really threatened by him.
Being a pirate at that time meant there was little clean drinking water available and when they did bathe it was usually in the ocean. The conditions were so bad on pirate ships the fresh water would often become putrid and it could become deadly. "The Flux" and fevers were pretty common
this show is OUTSTANDING. Cant wait for next tuesday
Toranaga's plan was exactly like what he said about how the falcon hunts. I love it. The writing in this show is respectable and it looks great too.
Spain and Portugal dividing up the New World is absolutely true. There's also a very funny story, though I'm not exactly sure if true or not, of why Brazil (Portuguese-speaking) ended up so big and Spanish-speaking countries in South America to the West of Brazil are so "narrow" and streched, look it up.
The main reason for the shapes is just natural elevation. The Andes basically split and squeeze countries like Chile and Peru into the ocean. On the other side countries are mostly flat, but Brazil is a bit higher than the others, so Argentina, Bolivia, etc are further squeezed between the Andes and Brazil. A good analogy is a pizza crust, looking at a topographical map will clarify this more.
As to why Brazil is so big, there are a lot of factors to it, the biggest probably being when the crowns of Spain and Portugal were joined together. By the time they split off again Brazil was already so big that there was no way Portugal was going back to the split.
(I'm Brazilian and while everyone knows how the split happened this side of the globe, it's actually very rarely taught that the line would obviously circle back to the other side and split Japan and the rest of Asia as well).
@@Dan_G.R.S. The story I'm referring to is that when Portugal and Spain were carving up the map of South America, they were about to carve it along a straight line going from North to South, but someone's hand slipped when drawing the line and so it accidentaly made Porguguese territory bigger than it was intended to be. As I said, I don't claim it's true, but it would be funny if it was.
@@gghelis That's a funny anecdote that we hear here sometimes, but the real split was actually like, comically terrible for Portugal, they only had a tiny bit of the coast whereas Spain had the entire continent to themselves. When the two joined together into the Iberian Union and then later split again Spain got absolutely wrecked and lost the entirety of Brazilian territory (a LOT)
@@Dan_G.R.S. Well damn, reality is simultaneously more boring and more f-ed up, as usual.
I found it sad as a Dutchie that there wasn't any Dutch actors on the ship. Since the crew was mainly Dutch and I didn't see any. Also John is working for the VOC yet he never mentions it except ''Holland''.
me explaining the plot to my friend
An englishman in a dutch ship comes to japan. a whole different world with different customs and enemies everywhere
his reply was, "so like an isekai?"
lmao
I just finished watching this episode, I can't wait to see the rest of the series!
I've had the book on my list for a year or 2, but now I want to go read the whole thing!
Im hooked. Waiting is going to suck but ao glad yall are enjoying it as much!
I keep thinking Cosmo is doing a Richard Burton impression...
Great show ,I really like your reactions cos they soo detailed.
What a coincidence 🥴 I’ve literally just finished watching your reaction to the first episode
I get the feeling that most people don't get this, so I'm not throwing any shade here....but this show is like watching the Star Wars prequels, but from the viewpoint of Palpatine and his immediate circle. The story is a fictionalized account of true events, so if you know the actual history, then you know what people are actually up to in the show....historically speaking, Toranaga is Palpatine, and the Regents are the Jedi Council.
Man i can`t believe we`re watching a show this great
I loved this episode
I really like the translator being essentially removed when Blackthorne and Toranaga first talk. Such a cool story moment as if the two can understand each others language.
yeah and it pans back to her to show her reacting as a local who converted to christianity showing her conflict
I’m wildly impressed with this show. Their wardrobe department goes absolutely bonkers, as well as their pre-production team to do all of the research in order to execute this period piece. The writing is concise and it doesn’t provide any dramatic fluff to take you away from its intensity. Alllllllll the way dialed in. Well done, FX🫡
Yabushige's jinbaori made of crow feathers with the cut out to show his surname embroidered on his back looks so damn cool. Cooler than any authentic period outfit, but I'll let it slide. Too bad it's worn by a bad dude.
@@SuzakuX hearing about the research going into each detail makes it that much more 🤌🏼 lol I’m so excited for these next episodes
Im so excited to see how they adapt the rest of the book. Theyve done such a good job so far.
They were not pirates , they were privateers which meant they were sanctioned by the country
they came from in this case Holland. The English had many famous privateers sanctioned by
Queen Elizabeth 1 mainly like Sir Francis Drake , Sir Walter Raleigh , Sir john Hawkins among others
who did attack & plunder Spanish & Portuguese ships & colonies . So from their point of view they
are pirates......
This show has me locked in!
The perfect 10-second summary 😂
This is gonna be the best year of television in the history of the world and this show is setting the bar HIGH!
What else is there this year? Invincible s2 p2, hotd p2, the boys S4?
You guys are so over the top.
What a great catch with the missing sword!
The mother of the Heir was visitng her pregnant sister, the sister is married to one of Toranaga's sons. Mariko believes she should have been allowed to die when her father died. She has been forced to live on by Toranaga's order but would gladly take any excuse to commit seppuku - that is her "dark" thought. The priest should have been praying in Latin but also muttering to himself in "Portuguese" while still talking in Japanese to the other prisoners.
39:50 thank you. Idk how ppl think its better to shower in the morning. Y would you want to lay in ur own filth all night? And have that build up until you change ur sheets? Not to mention you can sleep in longer before having to get up if you shower at night
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Shogun!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
5 and 8 are great.
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The rock garden scene was also impressive in the original miniseries too!
The scene of Blackthorne telling the true intentions of the Catholics was so gripping that I became instantly hooked on the show. So much intensity just from small facial expressions and excellent dialogue.
Love this show!
That they waited until the second episode to give us a rundown of the council was pure genius. And then did it in like 20 seconds!
I hope you guys watch these two episodes again to clear up some of your confusion before episode three comes out! 😅
Everything about this series is great, but I could watch it for the costuming and interiors alone; they are stunning.
You guys should also watch the original miniseries from 1980 to compare and contrast.
Blackthorne resist bathing because in England, they had communal baths that spread disease and doesn't understand the way it done in Japan.
Mather of Taiko's young son was Oda Nobunaga's
niece, eldest daughter.
Third one got married to Toranaga's son who later on became Syogun after Toranaga died.
The old man in the prison is Joaquim de Almeida, the villain from Fast Five and Desperado. Love him
Thanks for that. He was familiar but I can't put a name to the face. Initially I thought it was Geoffrey Rush but the voice is different and he was never revealed as a cast member. I've seen him in a couple of movies throughout the years - Desperado, one of the Tom Clancy/Jack Ryan films, and yeah, Fast Five. Can't remember if he was in Mambo Kings or not.
The Flux: At the time the novel was written (1970s), it was thought that 16th century Europeans did not bathe frequently because of a belief the act of bathing could make you ill. I do not know how historical accurate the assumption is.
Very Accurate. The Portuguese born first emperor of Brazil only took one shower a year (documented fact) and even so it would mostly be his feet/legs.
Medieval Europeans did actually bathe relatively frequently. Subsistence living is hard and dirty, so the people were naturally hardened and dirty, but they did understand bathing. They understood the generally correct connection between sickness and bad smells, as can be seen by the Black Death plague doctors and such wearing good smelling herbs and flowers in their masks as a ward against sickness, and as far back as Ancient Rome it was known that bathing helped one maintain health. It’s a very persistent myth though, probably due to its ability to inflate one’s own ego by denigrating those who lived before as less enlightened and more savage or base
The Early Modernity took a step backwards in hygiene. During most of the Middle Ages, people bathed frequently. But then the Black Death happened and people who met other people in close quarters (e.g. communal bath houses) got sick more easily, so they got a stigma of spreading disease. Obviously it's the contact, not the hygiene that killed people, but they didn't know that.
Additionally, people became a lot more fanatic die to the religious schism between Protestants and Catholics. Previously, it didn't matter too much because everyone was just a christian, but now there were sides so you had to prove to which side you belonged and how serious you were about it. So people got a lot more prudish about certain things. Communal baths already had a bad reputation, but this was essentially the final blow and personal hygiene took a nose dive in the West for centuries.
Try living below the equator (Brazil myself) and not take a shower every day!! 🤣🤣
Blackthorne was speaking historical fact
Hope the admins tell the guys about the FX Shogun website which will have all the info on character names, regions etc
I too love a wrap around porch ;(
Hi, about Mr. Red head on the left. I used to have such a red head as well and it turned out to be high blood pressure. This is something that kills you over time without you realizing it and you'll only feel it once it gets bad. So I would recommend, if he hasn't done so, to get his blood pressure checked. Managed high blood pressure can mean living a lot longer and in much better health, and the pills are like $10 a month (mine are even cheaper).
Excellent dialogue writing, I must say. Minimalist, but conveys the story and a lot more.
Anna Sawai is stunning! 😍😳 Really enjoying this show so far! ♥
I take it you all haven't seen the original mini series?
This one is a bit slower in pace than the original but still is keeping me interested.
Love the shots of the castles and the big wide shots. Especially Osaka castle since I've been there. Visited a few of them in fact. Buetifull places to experience.
Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Calvin! Thanks, Aaron! 🗾
When it comes to bathing, in 17th century Europe it was believed that one should not bathe too often. Only those parts of the body that protruded from under the clothes were washed. Many people even believed that bathing was harmful to health
Was driving me crazy who that actress is. She played Kiriko from Ninja Assassin.
Mariko married 16 years ago and converted to Catholicism 14 years ago after her father was killed
i still can't get over the main actor's name being cosmo jarvis 😄
I'm the biggest GOT fan you'll find and when someone says that Shogun could cpmpete with GOT, although it's early, I couldn't agree more. The fact that it's based on a book(s) (no idea if there are multipple) is a warm & reasuring feeling in the stomach, but I wanted to ask for the Shogun stans if the books are finished and how many episodes or hopefully even seasons we can expect. GOT did not by a long shot start with this quality and writing right of the bat, i really hope the directors and producers keep a cool head when this show blows up and don't get too greedy as the god forbid GOT directors did.
Toranaga , Taiko and Mariko's father were colleagues as General under a previous Master.