3 BEST And WORST Signings From Day 1 Of NBA Free Agency...
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- In this video we identify and discuss the three best and three worst signings from the first day of NBA Free Agency 2024! James Harden, Klay Thompson and more discussed
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Completely disagree with the Hartenstein take, the Thunder had so much money to spend. Hartenstein will push them to finals contention every year. The money will for sure be worth it
he will not. Thibs system helped him. Hopefully that is not the case for OKC.
A 8ppg non starting center gonna keep you in finals contention? ....
Yeah it is also a declining contract where they front loaded it and if they waive him in the final year, he does not carry a dead cap hit. It was a now move for how much money they had + financial flexibility for JDub and Chet's rookie contact extensions in a few years.
Nope you're wrong
It's Hassan Whiteside all over again... You probably don't know who that is though😢
Harden being here is this guy being a Sixers fan lmfao
The last year of the Hartenstein deal isn't guaranteed. That's the same year that Chet comes off of his rookie deal. It is a good pick up. Nikola jokic exists and 90 pound Chet can't bang with him.
Yeah he fits our needs and people aren’t realizing that the thunder are literally asking him to move to Oklahoma after living in New York so of course we have to pay him more. If we were gonna give him the same amount as other teams the city of Oklahoma would be one of the least interests for hart. I think at least.
Since when did Harty become the Jokic stopper? 😂
@@roslolian11at what point did this guy claim he was a jokic stopper ? He's just stating facts that having big bodies helps with jokic .
Dude good take. You know bball
You act as if jokic is a defensive stopper..
Hartensteins deal is essentially a two year deal cause the last year is non guaranteed so they get out of it pretty easily
you know ball. unfortunately...Hoops Ref is slippin' on this one.
They don’t take the time to know these type of things before doing videos
This will age like milk in the summer heat
PG’s contract is gonna be terrible in a year or two. He’s age 34, normally the exact age all-stars decline massively in performance. Sixers still are cleared by the Knicks and Celtics, even when healthy.
I think when Healthy they can probably compete against those teams. Embiid could potentially be a mismatch for the Celtics just like Jokic is, and he’s improved as a playmaker over the last couple seasons. They’re in a win now situation. Joel Embiid is an injury prone, 30 year old center. Centers historically fall off a cliff when they get a big injury around his age. He probably has a couple seasons max before he completely falls off. They’re paying Paul George for the now, not the fourth year.
@@obi3924facts people keep looking at the future but Philly already wasted a lot of future picks back then so they might as well go all in the present before Joel's knees completely breakdown
@@obi3924surely embiid doesn’t have a 3-12 career playoff record vs Boston right?
@@obi3924 that’s fair and understandable, but given the direction the NBA has been going the past couple of seasons and with the new CBA, the Sixers probably would’ve been wiser to use their gobs of cap space on elite role players, as opposed to spending most of it on a very oft injured star who is likely past his prime after this season. The big 3 model is dead and the Knicks and Celtics have both realized that and still have WAY more depth to work with and have a likely more reliable roster to work with. Embiid and/or PG will suffer a 10+ game injury at some point this season
Sixers gonna regret that PG contract, just like the Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons contracts
The salary floor is why Tobias got signed
(havent watched yet) WHO TF SIGNED THAT BUM
LMAO THE PISTONS OF COURSE WHO ELSE
People didn’t know that last year when the rockets gave Brooks and Van Fleet big contracts. How have people still not learned.
@@alexmason5521Most people act like they’re ball knowers, yet know nothing about the cap works as well as salaries
Exactly
The Hartenstein contract is risk free. OKC isn't a free agent destination and their core pieces already have been paid or are still on their rookie contract until after Hartenstein's contract is done. OKC could afford to overpay and they did so in a way that won't affect them in the future.
Exactly
I completely disagree with your Tobias Harris take. How are they “solidifying their mediocrity” with a 2 year deal? And Tobias Harris is a decently good player in the regular season. His stats as a top 2-3 option on a contender reflect that. Him being a playoff choker doesn’t matter to the pistons because they’re not going to reach the playoffs next year anyway, and again, he’s only signed for 2 years.
"Most successful dynasty" ??? Bruh wym there are plenty of dynasties to win more than that. MJ's Bulls had two 3 peats that equals 6 titles. 6 is better than 4. The Showtime Lakers won 5 and the 2000s Spurs (99-2014) also won 5. what about the first Celtics dynasty that won like 9 or whatever? I feel like the Golden state dynasty based on success, which in my mind is winning the title, is the 5th best dynasty in NBA history. They simply did not win as many titles so they had less success. Please tell me how that makes them the most successful ever?
Russell's Celtics won 11 championships in 13 years.
Was looking for this comment before I posted, myself.
He meant most recent dynasty.
@@Nuvendilwhen the league had like 10 teams and 75% of the league would be plumbers today. I’m sorry but anything before the mid to late 60’s is irrelevant considering much of the talent before then did not have a chance to play due to racial discrimination leading to a lack of talent and competition. There’s a reason that there hasn’t been a team that’s won 11 championships in 13 years again.
There’s a reason the NFL only counts the superbowls and not NFL championships as well. Before mid 60’s no one cares about nfl hustle and same goes for the NBA.
Imagine calling a 34 year old pg on 53mil a year on average a good signing
this dude has to be a 76ers fan you hear his reasoning about hardens contract its because he burnt a bridge in philly but so did gPG in LA
Literally no logic to it based off what he said about Harden
@@peytonlong5573yeah bro they all don’t even watch the games, they just read articles/ listen to Stephen a smiths takes and they run with it.
how do people not know this by now? harden wanted a max contract in Philly because that is what DARYL MOREY PROMISED. Harden knew he isn’t worth a max, but morey broke his promise and harden still opted in and gave the 76ers assets when he could have just left
It’s pointless bro these people just talk nonsense and they regurgitate what they hear from skip bayless and Stephen a smith.
You would think a CZcams channel like this one would have unbiased takes but even then they use Harden as a scapegoat constantly.
Dude clearly has a Sixers bias
Lol no one lied
"Most successful dynasty in NBA *HISTORY?"* I'm sorry, what?
Not getting it either had to of meant recent
-Steph Warriors 4 chips in 6 finals apps
-Duncan Spurs 5 chips in 6 finals apps
-MJ Bulls 6 chips in 6 finals apps
-Showtime lakers 5 chips in 8 finals apps
- Kobe lakers 5 chips in 7 finals apps
-Russell Celtics 11 chips in total in 12 apps
Only run the warriors are over all time is the Bird Celtics 3 chips in 5 finals apps
I don’t get why teams value Paul George so much. He’s 34 and injury prone. While noone wants Zach Lavine. He is younger and makes less money. Yeah, he’s also injury prone, but not like PG.
Harris isn't that bad. The contract looks like it was made to assist in a trade for a bigger name by or at the deadline. The new CBA doesn't allow the teams with higher payrolls to do much but
Detroit can take on money and with teams on their last leg before a tear down/rebuild or restructuring with good young players that will be moved.
Plus who wants to go to Detroit and play? Seriously who would take less money to play in Detroit? Nobody, and that means Detroit has to overpay.
Will definitely have value next year as an expiring contract
KCP to Orlando is far better of a signing than a washed CP3 to a team that will certainly be in the lottery again.
The development of wimby long-term outweighs kcp helping Orlando making the 2nd round
CP3 was brought in to develop Castle and increase the odds of getting Flagg next year lol which I guarantee they get if they are a lottery team again.
You have zero idea how player development works. Bringing in a HOF pg that can teach your young guys is way more valuable than becoming a mid-ass playoff team like the Magic. They got him for barely any money, 11m. Brain dead comment
most of the time kcp was ass in the playoffs this yr with a way better team anyways and cp fills the spurs need for the cheapest and will make wemby look like a million bucks. spurs seem to like the idea of wemby being a top 5 players in the league next yr
@@jaretallred8138 You aren't getting a HOF PG with CP3, you're getting a washed PG. Gaining playoff experience is much more valuable for player development than languishing in the lottery.
Thompson can be a good shooter. But doesn't do it nearly enough consistently anymore, along with his Defense falling off a cliff. There's nothing he does much outside of being a slightly better catch n shoot player than any other player right now you could get at SG. Imo. I'd be a little worried about them defensively when you have all 3 of those dude's on the floor.
When you realize that Embiid is gonna throw PG or Maxey under the bus when he fails to make it pass the second round.
Maxey is protected by klutch sports and the nba media. Pg will have problems or nick nurse
So the James harden contract is bad for James harden? But good for the clippers? I think James still wants to win that's why he took that deal and loves being in LA
Exactly this guy don’t know what he’s talking about. Last summer, sixers only offered harden a 2 year max , 2nd year team option. Harden is right for rejecting the offer
lol. You realize that they won’t even be a playoff team right
@@kennethhanes5702 disagree. They will compete for a championship
@@sting114nah theyre not better than Denver OKC Mavs Timberwolves
Theyll probably win like 45 games tops but theyre a 2nd round team at absolute best
@@connorsherrington7863 harden as a first or second option is a guaranteed 50 wins
I really do enjoy your videos but sometimes the Philly fandom comes out a little too much.
PG is a best signing but Harden is a Worst? PG will be making $60 millon when he is almost 40 years old. Harden is making $35 millon when he just proved he is the more reliable and better player in the playoffs.
Harden took another discount for the Clippers so they could fill out the roster, just like he did for the 76ers. I dont think you should act like Harden is an idot for leaving Philly. Morey clearly told him he would get a Max if he took a discount and then never gave it to him. Its odd to still be salty about that when MOREY caused him to want out
Tobias got paid because Pistons need to spend the money or lose it. It becomes a good expiring contract next year.
The Philly bias is quite strong with this channel.
Harenstien does not hurt okc flexibility at all it a 2+1 with a team option and the last year is non guaranteed also it okc you have to overpay for free agents harenstein is okc best free agent signing ever
Okc will be able to have flexibility when it time to pay jdub and Chet which is their main priority and they set themselves up to do that also they had to spend that money somewhere
He's saying he's overpaid which he definitely is .... If you think he's wrong you're obviously an OKC fan and are biased so stfu
Also the contract is decreasing, so his last year is the lowest of the 3. A+ signing imo
@@confidential5776Jonas V signed to the Wizards for 10M. F signing.
6:25 not too late to correct yourself
So Thompson a six man that will force to be a starter and is barely at six man level getting paid 17 mil a year is great for a mavs team already filled with gaurds? But Harinstine getting 29 mil to be there starting center who showed out in a deep playoff run, and teach Chet more toughness while Chet develops! Is a bad signing crazy bruh. Keep in mind most starting centers are getting at least 25 mil a year 😅
Your argument for why hartenstein is overpaid literally supported why he deserved that money from okc. Also, you gotta take into account of how well he played in the playoffs.
Tbf Hartenstein didn’t play all that well in the playoffs, he was far better in the regular season, but still agree, he’s deserved the salary he got, especially to pry him from NY
i would switch hartenstein and klay, hartenstein is exactly what the thunder needed (he is a top15 rebounder in the league) and he deserves the money, klay might be rather cheap, but he cant play any good defense anymore, so you now have lineups with 3 targets on defense, good luck with that ...
Hartenstein signing is a L take. He is a great big with good vision for someone his size. They have the money to spend so they did. This fits perfectly with the okcs system and okc is potentially the top 2 teams in the nba after this offseason
Yes sir! Love your videos! Much love from China!
Casual take
30 mil for a career back up center is wild.
Who said he's a backup. Chet will most likely move to the 4.
Hartenstein is great pickup for them, they can afford to overpay and the last year isn’t guaranteed, PG is a bad contract long term, Harden has several lob threats now, it just obviously comes down to can Kawhi just get his knee to come along for the ride, CP3 to the spurs is overhyped yes Wemby gets open looks but they’re not gonna win more than 30-32 games max
I’ll bet that I Hart is more valuable than Klay in 3 years
Warriors being the most successful dynasty in nba history is not true
"The mavs are showing that they don't plan on going anywhere after a trip to the finals" is really badly worded.
tobias harris wasnt a bad signing for pistons
Goodness the Paul George deal will look terrible when he’s making $50+ mill at age 38.. and odds are that he and Embiid will never make it to the playoffs healthy together. But I understand taking the risk in their situation
I'm sorry but as a pistons fan,
there is no way Tobias signings is worst.
we def needed veteran presence who is reliable starter, can actually play games unlike PG13, can spread the floor and only 2 year contract doesn't hurt the cap space as well.
Actually it is really good signing.
klay must be improving his shouting skill
Warriors are the greatest franchise in the history of the NBA?
Tobias’s deal was to reach the cap floor, the whole pistons teams is rookie deals, salary dumps, and cade.
I disagree when it comes to Hartenstein and Klay. Klay is overpaid for the value that he provides. Hartenstein, on the other hand has been solid this season, and it's hard to find a good big man role player
The key is "big man" and "role player". Hart went from 9 million to 30 and became the 45th best payed player in the league. Have you ever seen anyone ranking him even in the top 100?
@@Hirtelen-pf1dp considering that super max contracts right now are between 50-65M, then his 30M makes sens. First of all it's hard to find a good and available big man (most of them are already signed). He provides good defense and not bas offense. He might be overpaid, but in opposite to most of players he can exceed expectations. While guys like Klay are overpaid, and they won't become better
I usually agree with most of what you have to say, but I disagreed with a lot of this. Firstly, I-Hart was an amazing signing for OKC, he’s the exact position/role that then needed, and he’s only guaranteed for 2 years, which is when they have a bunch of their FA’s coming up for new deals.
Also, did you call the Warriors the greatest dynasty in NBA HISTORY??? Like the Bulls didn’t 3-peat twice, Russell didn’t win 11 and Duncan didn’t have a 700+ win% and win 5 titles with the Spurs?
Did you mean to say, "most successful dynasty of the last DECADE??" The Warriors are certainly NOT the most successful dynasty of all time.....
Damn I forgot about all those others dynasties with 73-9 records
@@bushiii710😂😂💯right bro tweaking thats never gonna be done again
@@bushiii710 did that 73-9 team repeat as champs though until they begged kd to join. yeah they got 4 chips. mj bulls had 6. magic showtime lakers had 5. tim duncan spurs had 5. most successful in the last decade maybe but alltime? probably not
They basically just won by overspending. Their window closed forever when Adam silver installed that 2022 luxury tax rule. The warriors for a 10 yr stretch were just yhe nba version of the Steinbrenner Yankees
@@shin0012 they have the highest win percentage of any regular team and play off of all time during the curry,Klaus, Draymond era. Definition of success
Harden signing was A plus for the clippers. Last summer, morey only offered harden a 2 year max , 2nd year team option. That’s basically a one year deal. That’s a slap on the face offer for harden . He deserves better than that .
thunder fan, overpaid yes but a bad move no
team option on last season, so just 2 seasons if goes bad n could put salary in for trade if needed
PG one of the best deals? if dude isnt injured, he plays like a superstar one playoff game then basically dissappears the rest of the series. embiid and pg can choke together or get injured together
What Chris Paul has to be is not to be Wemby's playmaker. He'll only be there for a year. I hope that his presence there will be a opportunity for the guards and coaches to absorb many of his skills and wisdom. Make Paul help develop the guards to have the same skillsets as him
I don’t think the Harris contract is bad, he’s not terrible and should help develop the young talent. Plus, it’s easy to trade. Hartenstein was a great signing for the Thunder. They had the money to spend and needed to get a guy. Like Harris, he’s also very easy to trade.
“Most successful dynasty’s’ in NBA history “?!?!?!? What about the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls??????
I finally fpund somrone else low on the thunder signing
Klay needs to have a talk with his agent as Tobias Harris, yes Tobias Harris got 26 million a year to his 17.
Klay walked away from a reported $24 mil/yr 2-yr deal w/the Warriors, seemed focused on a 3-year deal, which Dallas agreed too.
Klay wasn't looking for more money. He wants to win
Betting against Sam Presti is always a losing move.
The mavericks were literally EVERYWHERE on the klay thompson signing, what are you talking about?
I feel you glossed over a few aspects when it comes to cap space and market for these signings. For Detroit, they have to spend some money to get over the salary floor and Tobias Harris fits that purpose. It's a 2 year deal to be above the salary floor while they rebuild. Not really good or bad in any way. For PG, he's getting paid 60M at age 38, which is concerning given his long injury history the last 5 years. Philly is great on paper, but likely will never pass round 2 given how injury prone PG and Embiid are. Not the best contract to hand out. As for Hartenstein, he literally fills the big hole that OKC had and that fans wanted them to address this season and playoffs for so long. That contract is also frontloaded so they're paying Hartenstein while they have space, and he'll be off the books when Chet, Jdub, and shai get their new contracts. I'm surprised you didn't have OG Anunoby here, considering he just signed a 5/212 deal, has never made the all-star game or come close, and is very injury-prone. So he's a great injury-prone starter making all-star level money.
There was reports the Mavs were interested in Klay
Hartenstein contract will be worth it if he is first team player but if he is backup for chet then idk..maybe put both in?? 😅
Tobias Harris is a good signing. They needed to exceed the cap floor so they spent their money on a vet that can teach the young guys. 2 years is nothing
I like Hartenstein for OKC. OKC is a talented team but a little soft. They needed a gritty player like Hart but I agree they overpaid. I happen to think that the James Harden contract was a massive overpay even at 35 million. Harden is not worth that. I don't think the Clippers were that keen on resigning Harden; but PG left and they could not make it work with only Kawhi who is always hurt. Lastly, Tobias Harris is just a very lucky player. He is a lesser talent who manages very good contracts. Philadelphia got suckered into a huge contract and the Pistons gave him good money because nobody else wants to play there.
the harden reason sounded stupid as fuck because he burned a bridge in philly got traded to the clips n took a pay cut is a top 3 worse deal in free agency hes only making 9m more then tobass hairs
Hartenstein was one of few player's to avg +85 blocks, 85 steals per game. On great REB, a lot Offensively and his mobility on D is phenomenal, along with his screen setting passing. He was well worth it and both Clippers and Knicks screwed up bad, by not making him a priority to retain. Knicks will feel that badly this season. Especially if M. Robinson gets injured again like he typically does. He's not nearly as mobile and of a passer either.. 4 to 5 mil more isn't a big overpay. You secure him and keep him from talking to other team's. Solid W. 👌 I'd rather have him than Pascal or Turner right now and I'm a Pacers fan. Great hustle player and is underrated on his Offense inside. He doesn't take nothing he can't get. Wish Pacers would have went after him and OG, or Miles Bridges. Instead of Pascal Suckem.. lol
IHart has some of the best advanced stats in the league + on the clippers he was shootinf threes so dont be surprised if he started stretching the floor for okcs 5 out system cuz his shot also looks fluid
Paul G to many injuries.
Many people dont understand okc signing IH, they need someone to much up with the JOKER. JOKER will be the one to watch next year playoff
Warriors were the most successful dynasty in NBA history? Bro has zero brain cells left.
Klay thompson signing will back fire
I'm one of the few Cavaliers fans that wished we'd traded Donovan Mitchell along with Jarrett Allen. Not upset we retained Mitchell but now that he's staying we've definitely gotta get some offensive depth for Allen as Mobley plays better without him. Now that OKC picked up hartenstein they aren't gonna go after Allen which sucks because they'd be one of the teams with the best packages for Allen..
Would OKC go after Allen for anything significant if Hartenstein cost 0 trade assets?
I am a Cavs fan. I want Garland traded not Mitchell.
Tobias Harris has the greatest agent of all time
What big time free agents are really looking to go to Detroit? Pistons have to meet the salary floor so spend that money on the best option that fits the team - same situation with VanVleet and Brooks last season with Houston. Also guessing with playoff performances there wasn't a huge demand for Harris
Great backup but thats like giving luke kornet 15M to backup
Thunder needed a center i don't know why the warriors aint try to sign harstien and keep klay
Cmon man its so hard to make simple complement to okc
He's right tho
He's right
He’s a dumbass Sixers fan don’t worry about his opinion
@@Tell-lie-vision as right as people were about OKC last season finishing outside of top 6
76ers really said no money for harden and paid his clippers teammate lol you can’t make this up
What's the saddest team in the next few years? Chicago, Detroit, Brooklyn or Phoenix?
Sac: Don't count us out just yet 😂
Third year isn’t guaranteed so it works perfect for the thunder cause of the contracts of jdub and Chet
Tobias harris will help pistons get #1 perfect signing
To me I’d rather have the Tobias contract than PG’s
The cp3 sign is a great sign. They going to the playoffs watch.
Best deal was getting Tobias contract out of Philly
horrific tobias harris take
Bad bad take on the hart take and I rarely disagree with your takes
why Denver has not signed Klay !!!!????? have they tried?
iHart’s last year of his contract is not guaranteed. OKC won the free agency.
Mo wagner? You mean Hartenstein? Same player
*76ers Reference*
Clippers signing Harden pretty much guarantees they get bounced out early next 2 years
It would be stupid to let him walk when you can get even a little value for him later. Don’t think you know how contracts work
Adam silver still employing Scott foster already guaranteed that
Harden is not a team oriented player. He’s a me first player.😊
But he also wins a shit ton of games snd racks up Bella assist
Delusional. Harden did not “feel” slighted by the ineptitude of the 76ers front office; he was slighted by then, if you do not know by now them let me fill you in… Darly Morey lied to James Harden about giving him a max contract, but yeah keep spewing nonsense I’m sure you’re happy getting clicks and comments at the cost of your soul.
Harden is the wort, the Clippers screw it even worst than when they sign him before
Wait till the szn starts
"...most successful dynasty in NBA history..."? Um, recency bias much? The '80's Lakers (5 championships out of 8 finals appearances in 10 seasons) the '90s Bulls (6 championships in 8 seasons) have a clearly greater claim on that title. Since '99, Timmy's Spurs (4 rings in 9 seasons and 5 rings and 6 finals in 16 seasons) and Kobe's Lakers (Three-peat and 5 rings and 7 finals in 11 seasons) would all like to put forth their candidacy as equal to Golden State's 4 championships and six finals in eight years.
With all those dynasties, none can equal the Celtics 8 in a row and 11 championships in 13 seasons. Go even farther back, the Minneapolis Lakers won 5 out of 6 in the fifties. So no, the Warriors aren't "the most successful dynasty in NBA history". At absolute best third, probably sixth, and arguably, tied for sixth.
Most successful dynasty is the 60s Celtics. No argument
Golden State is not the "most successful Dynasty in NBA history", that would be the Boston Celtics 🍀🔥💯.. Stuff like this makes me question your basketball knowledge 🤔
Just further proves dude is a casual. PG is not the best as it does nothing to push them past Boston, GS is not the most successful dynasty ever and cp3 was not a good move, too old. You just need to shut this channel down.
Stop talking about basketball 😂😂😂😂😂 because none of what you said make sense
My guy, change your name to Sixers Reference lol. This bias is insane lmaoo
Klay is washed he is not going to be what Dallas think he will be. He going to jack shots and hold up 4 fingers reminding people he got 4 rings as he build a homeless shelter in Dallas with the amount of bricks he going to chuck up.
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Klay is a downgrade for the mavs 😂😂😂
I mean they didn’t get 2016 klay they got the brick god..
He replaces TH jr. Even a declining Klay (39% on 3s still) is an upgrade from what they had
dude said warriors are most successful dynasty in nba history......lololol bruh.
Completely turned away on opinion to say Paul George was a good sign.. superstar ball is over!
Have you seen the finals this year? Superstar ball is alive and well.
PG contract in two years is going to be the worst contract in the league. Harris isn’t a bad role player and pistons suck so bringing in vets is good move. Clippers were smart to let PG walk now they can sign other players and with the harden deal it’s a PO next year if he’s gone could open huge cap space for them with more flexibility. OKC was smart to get IHart they had a ton of money to spend and got a good center that will play well against bigger teams like Denver Mavs etc
Klay is so not gonna be a good role player...