INFINITE FODDER GLITCH?!? Rearmed and Attuned Hero Ranks [FEH]
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I think there is a typo on rearmed Sonya, 8+4 = 12 but you put her as 10 in the final list. Although I do agree she is a 10/10.
i can't believe i did Sonya dirty like that 🤦. i thought i had fixed that. thanks for the heads up!
Problem is that all the units that i built up with rearmed weapons have sat in the barracks doing absolutely nothing. I would rather use the original rearmed unit themselves since they come with modern stats and prf skills. I feel like I'm building units for AA (and the occasional limited battle) and that's pretty much it
Arcane weapons are definitely for diehards that have specific favorites. I've seen some really neat builds, but they take a TON of investment both from the units kit and from their team. The true power of rearmed heroes is the fodder duplication.
omg this! the only exception is rearmed tana, guidance 4 is wasted on her id rather she have soaring guidance cos i always end up using her only on flying teams.
yea, my rearmed ophelia gets used alot more then her foddered for. same goes for my reamred chrom and rearmed ingrid. cos i love their designs and am a bigger fan of three houses/awakening. rearmed chrom is so awesome, and his kit works the best for him, clash/snag is just superior for cavs cos of his unique moveskill.
Depends. I think the issue you're thinking of is moreso that there's only really 2 or 3 arcane weapons currently that are actually great/synergistic for what you'd want them for. Arcane Luin & Devourer can both be used to make premium-ish current units. Particularly Luin, Nephenee/Lancina with that are 100% book 6/7 material.
Both bows, pretty much all the tomes, as well as downfall & the first sword & lance are both kinda mid. Maybe because they tried too hard to make them versatile to maximize sales instead of just picking 1 role and sticking to it.
that powercreep is too great
I'm still not sure which of the two I'm more salty about...
1. The fact that both of the arcane sword units are cavalry units, meaning you can't inherit following options with the rearmed sword unit:
- Spcl: Vital Astra / Godlike Reflexes
- A: Finish 4 / Hexblade / Ideal 4
- B: S.Spiral / CC4 / Repel 4 / Spurn 4 / P.NFU
- C: Oath 4 / Inf. NFU 3 / T.Pulse 4
...You know, stuff that godsword infantries currently like...
2. ...The fact this was not an accident, but completely intentional choice from IS...
Honestly my thing is that the fact that we can have fodder factories is cool but to me it's like. you still have to pull more.
First of all you have to pull for the Fodder.
the game is obviously aware we don't have a lot of key steps in foddering [ie: Rockslide Dance 2 i ONLY on Dancer Elincia, Firestorm Dance 2 is only on Lene or on Groom Rafiel etc etc]. we JUST got atk/res finish 3 (on seasonal demote). Gambit 3/pledge 3 is going to be the next big "geee i wonder when they drop." - so you'll need a lot of them to make the inheritences as "neat" as possible
THEN you need to pull for a lot of copies OF the Rearmed/Attuned Unit. (to keep the refresh train going). and honestly I feel unless it's a situation that said unit was on a colour sharing banner like Opheila was on AHR or Grima on Hero Fest) or they shared w/someone you wanted on Legendary [or you just got lucky and happened to get a lot of them - that is a lot of extra pulling just to set it up to make the skills carry on so.
this is simply vs. pulling a copy of the unit you need the skill(s) for.
truthfully for me, I'd rather have more units to actually play with vs. trying to trick out my Rearmed/Attuned unit, getting more copies of a one i don't particularly care for, just so i can keep refreshing a skill
(not to mention on top of this i still just like seasonal weapons more than i do for rearmed weapons in general lol)
it really depends on the skill you're looking at. there are a lot of really powerful skills at the moment like soaring/guidance 4. the utility is immensely powerful placed on the right unit, but really comes into play when you're making multiples of a certain type of unit. it's why i don't like Ganglöt. for the most part, you don't want to make multiples of omnitanks.
@@FEH oh for sure. Tana is one of the exceptions. we do have guidance 3 & flier guidance in grails so that's easy peasy. but really I do think it's still the same caveat. (and to be fair very admittedly - i really do not like building all my units the same either. dancers are a different breeed but i'd still do the same thing there. I just don't want all my dancers to have all the same "thing" - i tend to build them so one can do well at debuffing/ one is good with out of combat support, etc etc. not to mention too, i'd really hate to create an army of X and be set up for fodder duplication and then the game does a hard kibosh on that skill/playstyle etc. that would not be fun at all
I think the thing is that re-armed units are really F2P unfriendly.
They’re more or less exponentially valuable, and F2P’s can’t really pull for who they like and pull for tons of rearmed units at the same time.
@@lapniappe I feel you, I really think this "fodder bank" mechanic is for whales/big spenders only, who are intent on merging the fodders (like B!Robin since Gambit is so broken) AND the rearmed, so they gave the rearmed the fodders once and then they decide what to give to other units when they pull other copies of the rearmed. For f2p players (or small spenders like myself), that's actually, objectively, just unrealistic. I'll build Ganglot because I like her design, but it's not like I'm going to give her GLR with the objective of pulling more in the future on purpose just for passing skills around. That's just too expensive.
I also like to build my units differently, maybe they tend to do the same role but I don't like every unit to have the same weapon with the same exact skills, because at that point it's just a matter of who has the betters stats and does the job better than the rest (thus the rest will be benched forever because one of the units does it better, so why botter with worse stats?)
@@deadinscyde yeah. like i mean I get it - and it really just makes it so you have options for rare fodder, but i do feel that these videos (not just you Fehology lol everyone) really needs to stress out how...rabbit hole extensive this is [and is it worth it].
like again it's
A: you need x amount of the rearmed unit to begin with. who are 5* and almost always colour sharing so you better like the units they are sharing with too. - on top of always getting the unit after they are +10 to continue to refresh the skills (or invest in a new rearmed unit and repeat that cycle)
B: several copies of the unit who has the fodder [a lot of them being 5* or seasonal]
C: get the copy (maybe even 2 or 3 if you like that unit)
to me it just gets to a point where you have to ask yourself, meta or not is it really worth going that hard core into it. because it's not evne including units you want to pull for for fun, your own personal +10 project the fact that not a lot of the rearmed weapons are that "excellent" and again the 'sameness". I got lucky with my two rearmed projects, (and if say Peony or Triandra or PLumeria make it on AHR i'll happily finish them off and try to figure out how to make their inheritances work) - or for a rearmed staff unit since that's a special & tier 4 Wrathful Dazzle (but if it comes down to pulling multiple different units - vs just being in a whole of fodder factories. i'd rather just.... make due with my fodder selections and have different units who can do different things. Meta defining skills or not.
i really hated the fact that they give attuned triandra flow refresh 4. you cant fodder a single triandra if you want at least 2 of her best skills and the new x skill.....so i gave her wom4 and imo its a better skill to pass around anyways and arguably it works better for her kit.
same goes for rearmed eitr to for beast sense 4 etc.
This was a super helpful video! It's nice to see all the rearmed/attuned heroes in one place to decide who to invest in!
this is a huge job right here! thanks for all this Joel!!!
That Laegjarn was missing 1 thing, Flared sparrow.
I run flared sparrow on her (shes part of my arena core) and she just nukes everything and what she doesnt nuke, she sets up for the rest of my team to come in and clean up thanks to soaring guidance.
My arena core uses Gullveig as an AoE nuke with Flare Sparrow + Blazing Flame
Thank you for the very informative, and jam packed video! All the hard work is most appreciated!
-Rearmed Lif best mule!-
Thx for this! I took like a year break from the game and recently came back a month or so ago and this video was very informational
I find it interesting that despite how much the playerbase hyped up infantry Rearmeds for their ability to be skill banks for stuff like Finish, Spiral, Pledge, etc., the top of the tier list is dominated by fliers.
That being said though, a lot of the fliers did come with juicy new skills such Guidance 4, Guard Bearing 4, and the upgraded Ploys.
i think you hit it on the head. fliers were starving for skills for so long, and now they have some truly meta shifting fodder. i don't know why IS is feeling generous, but i hope they keep it up.
Part of the issue is that only Ganglot can duplicate most of the stuff you'd want an infantry rearmed for - yet she herself sucks & doesn't use those skills well 😅 so it's still an initial "loss" giving spurn, a/s finish, etc etc to her. That plus the lack of bridge fodder for a lot of the stuff you *could* use her for such as Gambit, the finishes, etc...
Edit: as Joel said (just got up to that part of the video lol)
My favorite has to be R!Plumeria since I had the odd luck of pulling multiple copies on her debut banner, and most of my favorites got what they wanted from her skill repertoire. I've already given her Guidance 4 and Firestorm Dance 3 from my R!Tana and plan on passing down those skills to any fliers or flier dancers who need them the most.
Yo can I just say I love the Falcom music you use in your videos, it makes playing them in the background even better lol
Thanks for making this video. I got a couple of Sonya and Peony from the banner so happy I can watch something to help make decisions. Been liking Plumeria because Wings of Mercy is valuable and I use fliers alot so she helps.
Really liked this in-depth review, and the context for why R!Tana sits where she does relative to the Tier 0s (especially given general porting of her flying kit to other units). Overall we've been eating pretty well in terms of greatnew units that make porting Tier 4 skills to other units much easier.
amazing video
thank you!
Yes!! So hype! 🎉
Also, about the Nowi at 8:39 ; this build DOES work. I have VIDEO PROOF of a very similar build tanking AND killing a +10 Summer Ephraim in one round of combat. (the only major difference is Oath being there instead of Pledge because at the time I recorded it, Pledge was not out yet.)
The Nowi build provided works just as good if not better because NOW you can run higher cooldown specials with Pledge in the C slot.
Thank you Joel for coming to me about Nowi! Glad I could be of service! 😁🙏
of course i came to you! you're the now expert.
Fenomenal video!
awww.. thank you for the kind words. 😊
Grima is the only rearmed I've invested in, you cant go wrong with her! If she falls off, its because saviors (and by extension all armors) are falling off, and if you get a new savior you like later, you can just pass her skills along!
Edel doesnt count as an armor, fite me
I did this recently with Alfred giving away Potent 4 from a spare Emblem Marth and depending on the unit either Arcane Qiuang or if unit is not a lance, then Panic Smoke 4 on a lot of units since he's on a hero fest and got him to +10. Alot of my older units are more viable now! :D
Fehlogi:"i'm such a sucker for dragons".
Me: "i'm such a sucker for Robin".
This list and analysis reminds me that I only have 4/14 Rearmed/Attuned heroes yet, which are Alfred, Ophelia, Chrom and Grima (but he Frist three therefore multiple times haha). I have not a single of the others due to having no Orbs at certain (re-)appearances or I am just not interested in the characters. Actually they have chosen way more characters for those that I don’t like (Ingrid, Ophelia, Alcryst, the three fairies (well I guess Triandra is alright) Grima) than the ones I like/want for some reasons that don’t have to do with fodder (Sonya, Chrom, Ganglöt, somewhat Alfred I guess), lol.
Awesome video as usual.
I have a small grip with it though. I feel that redundancy/competition between Rearmed/Attuned units should have been considered while making the tier list. I disagree with your statement (@1:10:20) that if I were to start fresh, picking units from tier 0 would be the best approach. Tier 0 and most of the Tier 1 units are fliers, that could deserve the high placement due to how impactful flier skills have been recently. However, picking multiple of them to invest into as food factories over some of the units in tier 2 or even 3 would limit player's build options. Instead, I would recommend players to diversify their options by picking different unit archtypes, prioritizing those archtypes they enjoy the best. Like I rather have 10 copies of AttPeony, RmGrima, and RmSonya/RmOphelia, than 10 copies of RmIngrid, AttPeony, and RmPlumeria.
It’s a really good point. I was only considering one, but realistically, you’ll have different sets. It’s why I think this attuned banner is so strong. Getting Sonya and peony at the same time is really good
@@FEH RmSonya + AttPeony is such great value. The banner better win the FB rerun, because I need more copies of both!
Why Pledge for Devourer builds? Doesn't that just defeat the purpose of Devourer's +1 cooldown?
Yes, idk man misses stuff. Like a lot, he’s probably better at the game than me, but also, don’t act like his word is all encompassing.
@@samkeiser9776 He just loves Pledge. Joel needs to make mistakes and put Pledge on these builds to learn from them.
Yeah, also that Anna (in the Arcane Downfall section) has flashing blade while Downfall already grants +1 cooldown, a bit misleading because at first I thought I was missing something
And gambit + armored beacon on that amelia. Either would be good, but both together are a waste 😵💫
@@CASantosnot really. Beacon has unpiercable DR so it has value when the enemy can pierce DR
Rearmed Grima will always be my favorite rearmed unit, Hardy Fighter is timeless. It will always be good
she's amazing. i love her both as a unit and for her fodder.
Who did I give Death Blow Echo to? My Reinhardt of course!! Magic is Everything!
heads up on Att. Peony you showed her w SD Rein Snap. Rein Snaps don’t work on dancers :)
Theoretically the arcane downfall lady would the best fodder bank because of how many inf. Melee units there are and what skills she can give out.
Was Lysithea the other nuke you were thinking about!
I haven't even made my askr trio 5 star lol. I just use duo thor and brave lance then an aoe special to get them to kill all the things they need to for orb quests.
Term of the day: one fell swoop
I know that we give a lot of crap to Attuned heroes but when it comes to skill duplications they are better than Rearmed. Arcane weapons are limited to a single weapon type and most people won't have more than 2 or 3 characters who want the same arcane weapon. Attuned skills on the other hand are more flexible.
Another thing to add is that sometimes one of your units will only want 3 premium skills (A, B and C slots at once), so if you give them a fourth one it'll be more of a "just in case" kinda thing and they won't ever use that extra skill. In those cases getting the extra effect from an Echo skill will always be a preferable choice over the skill that won't ever see the light of day.
Many of your tables are wrong, magic units can't inherit Atk/Spd Prime 4 so units like Plumeria can't copy it
I'm a bit confused: how are Rearmeds "fodder factories"? Their skills can only be inherited twice per copy, right? What am I missing out on?
If you have multiple copies of one unit, let's say 4 Times peony, you could use PeonyA as fodder for any unit and then merge A into B. So B peony gets all the skills from A and is still available for one free inherit without losing her. As soon as you inherited skills from PeonyB into any other Unit, you could Merge her into PeonyC and so on. That way you don't get Peony merged up, but you'll get basically infinite inheritances of good skills. At least that is how I am understanding it, since nothing about infinite fodder was mentioned in the video...
I don't think mages can inherit prime 👀
and Rein Snap won't trigger if you have a sing/dance skill
Do you think we'll ever get tier 4 Saves?
Hope not, those skills are worth 300 SP already, like distant counter and gold border/prf skills.
we definitely will, it'll just be a matter of how far out those are. i wonder what they'll add in? probably effects like defense NFU and canto.
Rearmed robin is my fave! Every armor and Dragon skills are on them, I have enough for a +15!
Eitr can pass along counter roar
Alfred may have not good skills to inherit but you clearly undervalue what he can do. He literally survives any melee unit and they are unable to kill him. Units like alear, robin etc. Cant even hurt him. His weakness being magic is what makes him hard to use. When ignoring that with a far save unit, alfred will be delivering. Atleast give him a higher utility than Rearmed Lif.
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I gave arcane caliburnus to fallen lyon who I have had at +10 forever. I really want to give a copy of atk/res ploy to say’ri given she’s to this day are only res god sword.
Self-Improver inflicts Res-5 on Alfred, not on the foe.
thanks for the heads up! i knew i was going to miss something. my eyes were crossing after finishing this one. it was 80 slides.
23:40 😡 Tana did it first 😡
(Baby Tana did it, I don’t remember if it was her of H;Nowi as the very first, but Tana was well ahead of Sonya. Also it’s aerobatics 4)
can't agree with the askr trio part. Haven't had a real reason to use them in years. You'd have to have a new player barracks for that to really be true.
It’s a scoring thing. If you don’t want to pull/build for random bonus units every Arena/Aether raids, you build the askr trio.
@@samkeiser9776 yeah we're just at the point where if you're using the askr trio you're likely at a low tier anyways so it's not really relevant
or using them would drop you anyways if its your only option
@@ryanp4580 arcanes carry their users a ton, bad as it is that they can’t get merges, the askr trio can still use arcanes. And then they’re usable, even if they’re overall underwhelming and have bad stats, they can still get carried by their skills, PM1 inherits arcanes to his askr trio in his competitive F2P account and he makes it work. It’s not a bad idea and doing it is easier than making sure you have a bonus unit each season. Even if the askr units have worse potential stats than regular units.
you can give them the slow unit arcane weapons.
Also, they get bonus stats as bonus units, so they aren’t as bad as normal.
Honestly, when max invested (just like any other old unit) during their bonus season they're actually competitive, their stats are not half bad. I stay between t19 and t21 in arena and I'd really rather invest in them than build every new free unit (but that's also just because I really like them, it's a shame IS still refuses to give us even a merge on them)
If I have a better bonus unit, I go for that obviously, but having them with good skills and arcanes is just nice, useful and a good investment for the rest of the game
I had always intended to build up Tana when she got rerun, as I got her at +1 initially and had a lot of fun with her. She has great fodder potential too, so its a good long term investment.
However, it feels like about 3 years since she came out and we've barely seen her. Now there is a B skill which completely steals her niche (at least in my teams), and melee fliers can pass on more/better skills
I thought dancers couldn’t use rein snap?
You can’t have dance and rein snap equipped at the same time. They can pass it on, though
Title is pretty cringe as a fully intended mechanic isn't an "infinite fodder glitch?!?". Good informative content though.
I got jump scared by 7 Alfreds while going for other units so he is tier 0 for me. When life gives you lemons…
I'll never understand why they decided to skip an exclusive skill for Ophelia. Why?
Would be funny if she had got one based on how many tomes she has learned
She didn’t get one so that she’d have more fodder slots.
Special spiral 4 is still THE skill in my book.
Some monster gave B;Corrin SS4, which I wish I had the fodder to copy.