Is Your Gun Stiff?
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2022
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The fact that new guns are stiff and stay stiff is a testament to the fine tolerances to which they’re manufactured. It’s not a flaw, it’s a sign of quality.
yeah but flipping it open and closed is fun
There is a limit to that.
My CG Summit Ascent is really tight!
I don’t want stiff ever
@@scottsquires6186 are you talking about guns?
"Watch what happens when I open the gun"
Proceeds to cover gun with a banner and then a hand.....
FINALLY a video addressing this! I actually requested this subject months ago and for you to show a bit of your technique of how you open your gun and catch the shells. Fantastic Dave!!
A lot of people do not lubricate there guns ,if you don't its going to wear fast and loosen .its a moving mechanise it needs oiling and greasing ! but it mush be cleaned before .
An American is visiting London. He decides to go into Holland & Holland to see what all the fuss is about.
"I'd like to have a look at that side-by-each you've got there", he says to the less than amused clerk while pointing to a Royal Deluxe on display. Handed the gun he proceeds to open and close it a few times. "Gee", he says, "This shotgun is awfully stiff".
The clerk, trying to maintain an aura of professionalism says, "Sir, our usual clients are not accustomed to opening their own guns".
Great video, I bought a Browning B525 Laminate a couple of weeks ago, it is was too stiff for my liking. Was thinking about having it loosened but after watching this video I realised I just need to get out and shoot more!! Doing about 250 rounds every fortnight.
I put Honda 60% molybdenum disulfide grease on every part associated with the “hinge” and tang of a CZ All American trap and it worked miracles. That gun was stiffer than you could imagine, and now it is very tolerable.
The factory lube is designed to insulate the gun from corrosion more than lubricating the bearing surfaces. As the gun is cycled, the lube is replaced by the lubricants added by the user over time. The process can be expedited by using a cleaning lubricant initially and switching to a lithium based lubricant after the gun gets to the point of effortless use.
I’ve just bought a new yildiz and it’s pretty stiff, would you recommend to straight away give it a clean and light grease of the breech? Thanks
Every gun I buy. Pistol. Shotgun etc. The first thing I do is a deep disassemble/clean. Bc ive had brand new guns with terrible packing grease and rust already (looking at you sig). Then lube effectively. I use Teflon gun grease in friction spots and oil all external metal. This is mostly my own opinion but has served me well for the 25yrs I've had some of my firearms.
My hatsan was stiff for few years. Now it's nice and free. This Sunday lower firing pin broke.
Thanks for another great video. I have a new Browning Hunter grade 1. Unless it was fired at the factory, I’m the only person to have shot it so far. I think it’s nicely solid “Stiff”. I have just at 250 rounds fired. I really hope it never loosens up. I like the stiffness. Yeah, I know, if I keep shooting it, it will loosen up. But I’ll have a blast doing it.
You don't service a car every year if it's had little use. The same is true for a gun. Better advice would be to service it every X,000 cartridges or Y years (whichever happens sooner).
What X and Y are probably depends on the gun.
What? If you don’t service a newer car xxxx miles or at least every year you will lose your warranty! At least in Sweden.
He actually said to service it once per year. If you shoot a lot, service it twice a year. So once a year is the minimum.
I clean and grease my gun every time I use it
Thank you for the info. I have a 3 year old Browning Citori White Lighting. It is getting close to 2000 round count and is starting to loosen up.
I have a 40 Year old Lanber from 1983 and it’s still quite stiff it just shows how well made they are, also it’s never been serviced in its life other than a home job
Thanks. That really helps.
Thank you so much!
My first gun is new ATA Supersport. It is hard to open it just like in the video. I was noticed about the condition of the gun but after this video i am claim 😊
Go forward with yours helpful videos.
Thank you! 😊
My Yildiz SPZ ME12 was so stiff out of the box I strained a shoulder tendon trying to work the break action my first day shooting it. After about 150 shells through it, it's loosened up a bit, but still has a way to go yet before I can use it effortlessly. It is a joy to shoot, though, so I'll soldier on with it. It's good to know a stiff action is a sign of tight tolerances that will provide quality service in the long term.
My Lanber was difficult to open from new. I finally used grease on all bearing services and this was an improvement. This grease is cleaned and renewed after each use. I also use a thin oil elsewhere. Opening is also helped by taking the weight of the barrels, the top lever is then easier to move. The gun has mechanical triggers that are cocked on opening so this increases the effort to completely open the gun.
I bought a cheap over and under less than 750 so it wasn’t anything spectacular. You could barely brake it open over your knee. I put maybe 100-200 shells through it a year. So rather than spend the next 10-20 years to get to that loosened up, it was loosened up so I can actually try to enjoy it over the next 5-10 years haha
I've got a Franchi instinct L,I bought it over a year ago,&about 300 rounds through it,,&its still a tight action, easy to close,but a bit stiff to close,but an excellent over&under,,my Browning cynergery is a lot more easy to open &close,,but its well used..good shooting,
I have a Yildiz 12g Texas edition and I bought it second hand from a friend that said it was to stiff! And he had already shot around 500 rounds thru it.. and now I've had it for over 5 years and 3000 rounds later it's still stiff lol but like this gentleman said.. let it take its course and let it get lose with wear 👍
I just got a IZh-27 Shotgun made in 1989, and it's suuuper stiff even after lubing. I guess it hasn't been shot as much in its time haha
Yep… got a 30 year old bettinsoli and loose as hell. And 2021 beretta stiff af… need to put more through it 👍
Few thousand rounds it’ll loosen up … Browning Citori (USA) tight, Browning Cynergy super tight, Caesar Guerini nice and comes with factory service to keep it that way
With new fair racing I had problem...
The extractors springs were too stiff.
I just made them shorter by 6mm.
Without springs open/close was smooth.
With oryginal springs was really hard to break it... that su...ks ;)
So after small work on extractors springs it is much better.
Btw, my suhl 1953 is still stiff ;) not used from 1953 up to 2021 ;) but I will not touch it!
Game shooting from a loaders perspective, you can’t beat a worn in gun, fighting with new guns is 💩!
My 7 year old gun is still stiff to open and close. I've only had maybe 500-600 cartridges through it in the 18 months I've had it and the previous owner probably the same before it went in to storage. i'm looking forward to when it's run in and gives that satisfying snap when you close it.
Beretta 694 was stiff. But 1000 shells and starting to open easier. Gets cleaned and lubed after each use.
My father is thinking about giving me his old 1975 Franchi Alcione. And it was used constantly for 47 years. The barrels are ever so slightly loose and the top lever is moving towards the left side of the action. The gun will probably need new hinge disks. However it is still safe to shoot
if its tight i.e. on the face when you take the forend off it should be OK, if not it will want tightening😉😉
Have it tightened for him as a father's day gift. Then it'll be ready to go when you inherit it ultimately..;)
Shoot trap with my Browning Citori 725, total of 1550 rounds out of it and still stiff to open. Use the weight of the barrel to open and eject shells. Fore arm difficult as well. I guess its a good thing, tight tolerances. Just seems too much. Guess i'll just keep it up.
My Browning Cynergy cx, which I got last Christmas is very stiff. I've put about 1,000 target rounds through it so far. I've also had issues with the ejectors not working sometimes, especially with higher velocity ammo. I took your advice and clean it every time I use it. Have you heard of any issues with the ejectors? Otherwise I'm loving this gun!
Only been shooting for 3 weeks. Brand new Browning 525. So stiff .I'm 6 feet 3 big guy . Ex Navy. What a gun. I'll gladly run it in before I'd ever take it to be 'adjusted'.
I have just obtained a Sauer-Beretta s56E, it is a Beretta sold through Sauer for the German/Austrian market. Just a Beretta 56E with a Cheek piece Hunting Shaft and the newest ones are apparently from 1979. This one has been used a lot but it is still stiff as hell.
I have a CZ Wingshooter Elite and the release lever sticks. I don't mind the stiffness, but I'm afraid if I push too hard I'll break the release lever.
Too much oil will attract dust and that will make it stiff. When I get a new gun I clean off all the oil as it's often too viscous. As another poster mentioned, factory lube is normally far too thick and has corrosion inhibitors for transport. Nothing wrong about that but a good clean and a very light bearing oil applied sparingly, like sewing machine oil, like 3 in 1, but not too much and just a bit, don't drench.
I have a Remington SPR 310 OU which is a Baikal. I have approximately 1,500 rounds through it and it is still stiff. Greasing the hinge pin dies help but some of the stiffness is due to the cocking mechanism.
Mines "Stiff" every time I buy a new gun :)
If you really want to see a stiff gun you should try with new Baikal/ mp27. Got mine 2011 and by God needed a my both hands force to close it. Nowa days after few thousands of cartridges it's still stiff and if I don't clap it with bit of a force it wouldn't close.
Informative video. The ruger red label opens up easy from the first shot - unfortunately they are no longer made.
What will you say about a self opener gun? Is it loose from the beginning?
New Yildiz Legacy HPS 12 gauge and very stiff after 200 shells. It will hold itself open at any position.
Just bought the Yildiz 20 GA Legacy HP and it is super stiff. Hope my wife can open and close it better once we shoot it.
mine will fall open if I hold it level ... I just bought it but I love the gun. i don't like how its sloppy when you open it and move it up and down!
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yes. I bought a brand new fausti O/U. lovely gun. However, I just started shooting. j also joined a club and I'd like to not look like a complete amateur on the firing line and more like a pro while unloading it. Couldn't I just dry-fire/ break action 2000 times to loosen the action OR... possibly shave a little off the forehand stock rigid plastic that contacts the receiver?
I bought a new Browning 525, from my local shooting school in January. I shoot once a week, sometimes twice. I average 150 cartridges per week. I have found recently the gun is fine BUT when the bottom barrel gets hot, the fore end develops about 2mm of play at the "muzzle end". So HOT barrels is resulting in 2-3 mm of play at the schnable end - it's almost like I can push the "beak" of the wood inward towards the barrel, and it makes a clicking noise when I do.
Once the barrels cool down, the problem disappears......
Action nice and tight, but forend is junk!
Just a guess, but I would say it's the wood moving when heated. Have you had it back to the shop?
I just picked up an ATI crusader when you break it open the forearm pops off. It’s so tight. It forces the forearm to become unlatched
RFM Lexus. Stiff as a board, of which I don't necessarily mind as it feels like quality. I have noticed, the heat can contribute to it. Is this considered normal?
5 years on from buying my 725 MK2 and I STILL have to push the barrels down to open her up. Shot about 10 to 12 thousands cartridges through her and its still very tight. Looser than new, but still, very tight.
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Talking about stiffness...
Dramatic experience...
I’ve just bought a Browning b5.25s. Very stiff but have an issue where the lever 9 times out of 10 won’t stay open when you break the gun with the forend off so when refitting the barrel it hits the mechanism and won’t shut unless you hold the lever over.
Second issue. After shooting around 60 cartridges through it the trigger sticks and on the second shot( doesn’t matter which barrel your selecting) and once the it jammed so I relaxed and was about to lower the gun and it went off by itself.
Any answers would be great. Is this usual for a new gun or is it faulty
Is it the amount of shots taken or the number of times it is opened?
i've bought a B525 sporter. wjere the top leaver is really stiff almost like its a hard break when i push it, but after the break its smoth. i've put maybe 150 rounds throuh it
My Baikal over n under upper opening lever is too stiff. How to loosen it or it will also get smoother with time
I just bought a CZ Redhead Premier target O/U 12 gauge and it's very stiff. I applied some grease to it and that helped some what. I guess it will take thousands of rounds to loosen up.
Good morning... I'm picking mine up this week, and wondered how you like it so far.... Thanks..! Dan💥🤙
It loosened up after a while, so not as stiff as when first bought. I really like it, good price for what I think is a well made shotgun.
A 90yr old SxS ejector I just got is still way to stiff! I guess that’s a good thing. Maybe
I bought a CZ Drake, I like the guns, however, I am left handed and it is not. The gun is extremely tight and several gun shops tell me that it is extremely stiff. I have only out 500 rounds though it and the latch is undone, I literally have to break it over my knee to open, any thoughts how I can advance the break-in process.
I got an old Russian Baikal over under, and that thing is very stiff. I bought it from a pawn shop cheap. I love the gun but it's a pain to open up.
I have an over and under I bought off a friend for a very great price but it is extremely difficult to open only after I fire it, and more so if I fired both shells. Is this normal? Or is there something that could be wrong with it?
I bought a second hand gun and when i open it, the snap cap won't go into the bottom barrel until i give it a extra pull. Is that normal? I haven't fired a shell through it yet.
I bought the Browning ultra xs black laminate Nov 2022, stiff and annoying, all the forums say this is a common fault with cheaper guns ! I am not in agreement, I have put 150 shells through it every weekend for the last 4 months and its still stiff, had some advice to put rubbing compound on the hinge then open and close the gun 100 times, would this work just to take the edge off pun intended ?
My 10 yr old Beretta Ultralight with about 500 rounds shot through it in total is getting quite loose. Should I have it tightened or ignore?
I notice you didn't hold the new gun in the horizontal position like you did for the older guns ....
Yea I just bought a CZ Redhead and it’s 5 times more stuff than the first one you opened.
Bought my son a new over under 28 gauge. It's really stiff but after 50 rounds at the sporting clays i can see a slight difference and also I continued opening at home. My question though what do i do with the stiff trigger. It's also stiff. it was really bugging him and he was firing late at the clays. Can my local Gunsmith fix that
Great video, just remember when you oil the moving parts of the gun make sure that you store it barrels down in the cabinet
Really? I didn't know this. I assume to eliminate oil running into the firing pins or something?
@@adsmith7722 its to stop any excess oil running back and ruining your stock
Glad I found this. I bought my first over under about a month ago and have about 200 shells through it already and it is still stiff as a board. I have oiled it and opened and closed it about a few hundred times and it is finally started to loosen up a little or maybe my muscles have just adapted to it. LOL
I bought an ATI double barrel 12 guage Coach style and it’s very stiff for breaking open. I don’t plan on shooting it 300 rounds in my life, much less 3000 or more. I bought it purely as a home defense gun. Can a good gunsmith fix it to break open as easy as the shotguns you show that easily drop open? Thanks!
0:36 I just bought a Yildiz today
Lanbers are spanish made guns, and I agree are fantastic guns.
Not yet had a new gun, only been shooting 4 months. Maybe one day when the electric/fuel bills come down!🤔😁
Sometimes good info is given here but this channel’s primary objective seems to be to showcase the host’s shooting skills.
i have Beretta 486 i don't mind it being to stiff to open but the safety is impossibly stiff to operate
I've got 486 ridiculously stiff safety but my 686's are to uncomfortabley stiff but better
My new Benelli 828u is incredibly stiff. Takes a lot of muscle to get it to open. I think something is wrong with it
Picked up a Franchi instinct sporting last year. Have about 1000 rounds through it and it is so tight it leaves a bruise on my stomach from the heel of the grip. Also the front of the hinge where it meets the fore end polishes itself almost to the point of galling. Oil gets changed at most every 150 rounds if not more. Help!
I have one that is not quite as bad. It is starting to free up with use and attention.
Cheaper guns tolerances aren't as good as more expensive guns- so cheaper guns being excessively tight is common, oil is a no no on bearing faces, clean it all out, light smear of grease on all hinge points, locking points, mating faces
We just bought a CZ Supreme Field 12 ga....takes two people to assemble, by the gun store staff. It is very stiff. I'd be interested if you have any experience with the CZ models and if you have any tips for assembly. Thanks much.
The assembly is easy on the CZ shotguns once you get the hang of it
All you need to do with a stiff gun Is turn it on its side put the bottom of the stock against your body just above your waist and use it as a lever and do the same when you close it
honestly rather have a tight gun then something that falls open like an old shooting school hire gun that’s partly why i’m looking at a ceasar geurini invictus as my next serious gun i don’t want a gun that needs re jointing or tightening up after 20’000 cartridges
My thoughts exactly 👍🏼 they also offer a service where they will rebuild your gun for a very reasonable price. I had mine done a year or so ago from what I remember it was around £250 but they fully stripped it basically replaced all parts that rub against another re set up and sent back 👍🏼
@@YorkshireClayShooting there a great gun I’ve demo’ed a couple now waiting to try a factory standard invictus 1 mspec the last one i tried had a custom stock on it and i couldn’t get on with it too high in the comb for my licking the standard stocks are a pretty good fit for most
@@dave_724 I have an apex and it’s a beautiful gun in my opinion, shoots and looks like a gun of twice it’s price. I think they are amazing value for the price point for the quality you get. It’s had tens of thousands of cartridges through it and besides going back to be serviced it’s proved itself to be faultless and you don’t see them everyday which to be honest it more important to me than it should be too 😝
@@YorkshireClayShooting the maxum has to go be the best value for money looking gun they do or the ellipse curve that gun is stunning CG are winning over a lot of fans in my area it helps when they get good advertising from the likes of richard faulds locally and a few other people who get around the clay circuit all shooting CG
Sorry about this, but:
Is your gun stiff, or are you just happy to see me?
A lot of guns these days have an adjustment in the fore end to tailor the opening effort to the shooter's liking. My Fabarm Elos 2 Allsport has this very adjustment that i backed off a little, it makes the world of difference to the shooting experience.
I agree as my 486 parallelo has this system 😎
I bought a new browning 525SL but I find the top lever is very hard to break the gun open is that normal. I really like your videos thanks again David
Normal on all browning based guns, the bite can get sticky, light coat of grease in the bite and on edge of locking bar, and drop of oil under the top lever
My gun is stiff, is a browning B725 !!!
yeah, my new one is super stiff too
David … I keep getting a bruised cheek from clay shooting … any advice please?
Either the pitch of the stock is wrong for you or your stance and head contact is wrong, or both, and its jumping up
What is it 30 or40 years old?
2-3000 to loosen up, challange accepted off to the range on the weekend
I puzzled over this until my mate told me that cartridges were loaded with viagra to keep the barrels straight! I am not sure whether he is being totally honest !
Yes! Pulled out couple of viagra’s with cartridges when re loading and it won’t break now
i wanna know what brand of gun can go the most shots without "servicing". i bet its not one of those posh english brands. more likely russian or turkish.
Remington 1100 holds the record. Over 24k shots without cleaning or servicing
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Happiness is a stiff.......................................gun 😋
There is smooth to open and then there is loose, and there is tight from new and wearing from new- cheap guns wear out good guns wear in. Never slam a gun closed and grease joint/mating faces, lost count of how many people i have seen who close their gun like trying to break it in half, you do that and lack of grease and that torque means excess wear and quickly
are the 525 s fussy with light loads have you seen it with 21g tts I finding the low recoil not resetting the second barrel
Bottom barrel misfire? Firing pin worn?
@@pauljinks8480 it's brand new
Trigger group might need a clean to get the sticky factory lube off it. how does it shoot with 28g crackers?
@@StikkyWood perfect with everything else it's like kick isn't strong enough for the inertia to reset
could it be just cheap shells my friends 425 does the same with 21g tt s
I bought a new Ruger O/U in ‘80. The action was SOOO TIGHT I thought it was defective. I used to oil it,
repeatedly close & open it while watching T.V.. Every evening for weeks. That & more importantly using,
shooting it finally worked. Many people think Rugers are junk but it closes/opens perfectly = tight.
Olympic shooters guns are as loose as a bag of keys.... they touch the side lever its like an airbag going off lol 🤣🤣... i got a brand new yildiz pro... its soooo tight, i love it!!!
I apologize up front...but my wife thinks so.
Sorry. couldn't help myself
love 7:53
I’m new to shooting. How much should I expect to pay for an annual service?
No need for an annual service. Besides some basic cleaning and gun care you shouldn’t have to worry about any kind of service.
Do you recommend oil or grease on hinges?
@@dhruvshah7545 Good question, i use Napier gun grease on the hinge pin, fore end iron latch and pivot point. Oil on the ejectors..
If your gun is a little loose, or i should say a bit sloppy, replace the Napier grease with silicone grease to stiffen it up somewhat.
Great video, nothing better than a tight flange 😀just remember once you have oiled the moving parts, store the gun barrels down in the cabinet
How does “servicing” do a dang thing to keep it from wearing loose? Keeping the wear points clean and lubricated slows the wear!
Bit of a personal question...
If yours is loose, It should tighten up with a good service....
@@StikkyWood I'd be so lucky.
New guns stiff ? never handled a new Winchester 101 then ? from new they were looser than that lamber 😁
I've still got 2 101s that have never been shot and both are tight to open, they did break in quickly compared to others, but people mistake spot on tolerances for sloppy
They are designed not to fire if the top lever is slightly open. That is why they felt loose from new.