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3:30 Fun fact, foot traffic has a strong inverse relationship to crimerates. Because more foot traffic = more eyes on the road = more risk of getting caught = lower crime.
He forgot the most important and easiest measure necessary. Introduce mixed zoning. If you can shop around the corner, you don't need to travel.
explain that to the designers in the USA🤣
@@thedutchhuman they just need to make SimCity a mandatory subject for civil engineering students :)
Yep, it's useless to stimulate walking or cycling if the only supermarket is 20 miles from the homes.
@@irbaboon1979 this should work lol
@@thedutchhumanRoad designers earn a living of designing roads. As many as possible that is.
This video made me realise how normal this is for the Dutch, I need to appreciate this more, it's kind of special, one of the reasons why we pay taxes.
Love this channel, so often when living in the Netherlands being born here and all I forget what a quality country this is.
But when watching videos like these I get reminded that it can be even worse in other parts of the world.
"even worse" you can better see it as no place on earth being better (in most aspects)
Precies dat! Ik ga nu weer lekker fietsen mensen! Wow, wat een land! We hebben het maar goed!
What we don't have in the Netherlands though, is a billion dollar car industry. I'm just saying.
You can have a car industry and still do proper traffic design. You just need less corruption in government from industry
Stil we make very big money from the car industry.
Shortage of chips in the car industry proves that.
ASML is doing great because of that.
7:16 We use traffic laws to determine who goes first.😂
Yeah lol. and those little triangles on the road, the yellow ones for who goes first at what spot.. and the white ones.. if they point at you, you give way :D I love the Dutch infrastructure, I came here from Scotland 13 years ago, and it still blows me away how well things run, you never wait at lights long, its brilliant!
another important issue is that with the Dutch way, people in cities, towns and villages are more aware of one and other as inviduals unlike North America where people mostly see cars moving around with drivers 'hidden' in them.
O, there's traffic congestion in the Netherlands too.
yes but not nearly as bad as in america. and the worst congested places are the places with the biggest roads, like rotterdam.
In the town of Drachten they did an experiment creating an intersection in the busy town center without the use of any traffic signs. The idea behind it is that all road users would automatically slow down in order to understand the situation and pay better attention because of the lack of information they normally would get from the traffic signs. And this actually works. It's been studied and copied by different other countries, who in some cases, came over to see it with their own eyes.
I think good street design adds to memtal health and being content overall. More people want to walk and bike when possible.
i think the most best way to describe even with a 500.000 people event somewhere in the netherlands.. we have no extra travel and push people to busses and trains and i works! even at festival they do extra city busses so the normal traffic can go on.
About the stop signs, we got a rule: rechts gaat voor. (every body from the right side can go) or roundabouts
I love it how you always get a smile on your face when you see the Netherlands ❤
We did not solve street design, but we are doing it much better than the US and many others.
And it is very simple, what is the use of a six lane highway into the city center when there is no parking?
If we create the needed parking, the city center has to turn into a strip mall, few shops in a parking desert.
That is not a city center. A city center is a place where you can walk from shop to shop, with restaurants and terraces in between, a theater, a cinema, and squares that are meeting places for people and markets for fresh food.
So we have to let people come to city center by other means than cars. Bicycles, public transport, walking.
We have trains that connect city centers with a frequency of NYC metro.
Big transport is done by container ships, not by trucks, over rivers and canals.
Schiphol, the airport where he lands, is located between Amsterdam (800,000 inhabitants) where most of the recordings were made, The Hague (565,000) and slightly further south Rotterdam (670,000). All within a radius of 35 miles from Schilhol. These cities and many more within this radius are all part of what is called the 'Randstad', a metropolitan area where a total of more than 8 million people live and this concept has been applied throughout this aria and even the entire country.
7:18 we generally don’t need stop signs (not counting a few exceptions) because the design of public space and roads is so that cars are already going slow enough to be able to oversee the traffic situation and safely navigate them.
Also, you mentioned something about safety earlier and it has been shown that the more people are outside the safer it is to be outside (because there’s always people who can be witness to something untoward happening), I think that’s one of the reasons why our public transport is much safer. I’ve rarely ever been alone in a bus or train, even late at night after going out because everyone else who went out is also in the bus to go home.
There is also a video on CZcams somewhere about the Dutch Traffic Light System. Even as a I'm Dutch myself, I found that video very educational. Just can't remember what the video was called sadly.
Also NJB I think!
@@MB-co6qjyeah. Why Dutch wait less at traffic lights.
The remark about stop signs also had me thinking about NJB
@@wolfetone2012 Yeah NJB (Not Just Bikes) with Why Dutch wait less at traffic lights, is indeed the one I meant :D. Thanks!
The issue I think is also that the USA is money focussed. Car lobby paid politicians, politicians have roads builds for the car and not for other modes.
Here in NL we focussed on safety first with the side effect of the traffic being pretty smooth.
Yeah! Traffic is a business model over there. Like anything else, even sports.
Haha your mind was blown! When are you coming over to NL to visit??
He better not tell; Schipol would be too small to welcome him ;-)
Cars are slowing down in Amsterdam alright, 30 km ph in the whole city
My daily commute is between two cities, where I've never seen a stopsign whatsoever. The only stopsign I've ever encountered was on a road where you could barely see traffic on the main road. The yield sign is the most common mode of giving way here.
There's no such thing as "blocks" or "super-blocks" in the Netherlands.
Yes there are Groningen technically has "superblocks". All the one way roads divide Groningen into superblocks.
Shout ❤out to NJB also
stop signs are only used on places where they count so here in the netherlands you should take them serous. we also have a sign for dangerous intersection. basicly Stop sign + while you dont need to stop it states there is a risk of 2 high speed interactions coliding and most of the time the view is obscured so you cannot see traffic comming easly. normally the basic give right priority is extra important expecting you to either slow down enough or stop for you to asses.
Yep, better infrastructure will help a lot, but the US can do something MUCH better:
Adjust the zoning laws (not just by adding mixed zoning); If you don't have to build every suburb with single-family homes that come with huge front- and backyards and a massive drivelane to park half a dozen cars, and you dont make the streets take up as much space as a 4-lane highway and couple that with some light commercial dotted here and there (you know; the good ol' corner shops), you'd end up with walkable neighborhoods that are much more liveable...
Imagine _not_ having to go to a ginormous Costco or Wallmart (half an hours driving away) for all your groceries but just being able to walk or bike to a 7-eleven or something to get a carton (or bag) of milk and some bread (or whatever)...😄
7:03 no we don’t have many stop signs. Most intersections are marked differently and it’s easy to see both ways (if it’s not they sometimes place those special curved mirrors). If you see a stop sign here best believe people are actually stopping 3 full seconds. (Which is the law anyways). Of course there are exceptions, but we (at leadt the people I know) tend to hold people accountable for such mistakes.
7:00 I think a huge problem about stop signs is the fact people start to ignore them because they are used EVERYWHERE. The logic if stopping in your entirety so that you can check left and right only to slowly pick up speed again when there was never any traffic is crazy since everything relies on 'who got there first' while crossing roads that are almost 2+ lanes wide per intersection.
Think about it: what does a stop sign truly try to accomplish? 'Work out with your fellow road participants who goes first'. This leaves so much space for disagreements, negotiation and outright conflict that it doesn't really accomplish anything other than the theoretical 'there is no collision' that already went out the window due to over-use. 'Dude, I'm going 50 and you'd have to accelerate from 50 to cross 5 lanes, obviously I should have priority because I'll be on the other end of the road faster than you could ever be!'
Meanwhile, the Netherlands relies on yield signs when you are crossing a road with higher priority than yours, and in the case of an intersection with equal priorities, traffic from the right has priority. At its core, there is very little reason for disagreement on what should happen: people know the moment they get to an intersection that they should be reading to yield to side roads or have the priority to keep going. There is also no 'we get tired of these damn yield signs' at play because if you are traveling down a road with constant yield signs, you are clearly trying to cut through all sorts of little roads instead of using the main thoroughfares you are supposed to be on to get to your destination. (And vulnerable road users would DO use those shortcuts all the time are happy to comply because they already slow down at intersections due to feeling vulnerable to begin with!)
Whenever a small low-priority road gets a lot of sneaky traffic, it is policy to redesign the road or the larger network to discourage such behavior. Sometimes roads are made smaller, sometimes cars are forbidden, sometimes the main arteries in the local area are improved to take away the need for the particular group of people using the road (for example parents in a specific neighborhood picking up kids at school).
Dont you have the right off priority when coming from the right??If not,then there is no need to plant al those stop signs!!
1:15 When he shows his departure to the Netherlands, he actually showed footage of his way back. The airport is definitely Schiphol, looking at the surroundings and the signage. When he looks outside the flying airplane, you see a completely flat landscape with 3 villages in a 15 mile radius with farmland in between. I have never been to the US, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't look like that
In the Netherlands we have rush hour, but it takes about an hour. Unlike in the USA witch takes al day.
Paul, great video 👍
In The Nether;lands, traffic management has one overriding goal: getting people out of their cars! Bike lanes aren't bike lanes as you know them, in The Netherlands, bikes have their own roadways often controlled by their own traffic lights. You can actually ride your bike from the heart of Amsterdam to the centre of Rotterdam and never leave the bicycle path all the way, right beside the freeway.
hello from amsterdam 35mph on my fatbike .great channel thanks 😎
It's always cool to see what people in other countries think of our road network which we take for granted. But I have to admit, if I compare a dashcam video from someone driving trough LA and compared it to my own commute by car in the Netherlands it always strikes me how slow things go in LA and how often a driver has to stop for stop signs and traffic lights, even on what is considered a main artery, while I keep on moving most of the time because there are yield signs and roundabouts where you can continue if there is no crossing traffic without stopping.
While the videos always concentrate on urban street and road design the situation in the countryside of the Netherlands is more car dependent, as the distances to school, shops and work can be quite a bit longer and public transport isn't as available as in cities.
But still in the countryside you have a good (beautiful) bicycle network, most kids cycle to school.
Most small towns and villages the roads are (slow and) safe enough to cycle on, walk beside (they have a curb).
Unlike Nord America most houses are not built along a road with the width that is good enough to land a plane…
@@misme2000 Agree with that, even in Rural areas there is a good cycle network, and electric bikes are a good solution for the longer distances up to 20km. You rarely have to travel more than that for your daily tasks and needs in the Netherlands.
We could learn a lot, meanwhile still using the freedom units in stead of the metric ones.
We don’t have that many stop signs, due to the fact that we have sharkteeth to show you have to give precedence. If there are no sharkteeth than traffic coming from the right has precedence
We do have traffick congestions but nothing like in LA our rush hour ussually is that about an hour. And i took the light rail and busses in california between lax and buena vista it wasn't that bad.
Bikes dont pay weapons but oil does😉
Dutch people! 🇳🇱🧀🌷
Please stand for the national anthem:
"Wilhemus van Nassouwe" 🎶
And to all international students here in The Netherlands, please set your phone navigation to the bike mode and don't scare the 'peep' out of Dutch car drivers by cycling on the highway. I'm begging you 🙏🏼.
We dont need stop signs only in difficult situations, at an intersection, the person driving on your right always has priority, thats all.
We have bad traffic jams as well…
The Netherlands hasn’t “solved traffic” in the way that there never is any traffic. We have traffic jams too, we have rush hour after all. We have accidents too, which cause traffic jams. Events. Weather influences.
The major difference is that because there are fewer cars on the road (remember, 60% of all trips shorter than 5 miles are done by bike or public transit). Because of that, most traffic jams have a deserbable cause. A traffic accident, weather, road works, etc.
But The Netherlands is facing a problem. Our public transport is very under funded. Which means bus lines are removed, are killed by lowering frequency. This affects rural areas most, and cuts small towns and villages off from public transit areas.
People who use public transit use it because they can hop on close to their home and hop off close to their destination. When they need a car to reach public transit, they’ll just drive their car to their destination. With all the budget cuts in public transport, I wonder if in 10 years the USA will still look towards The Netherlands for a solution to the traffic problems in the USA.
About the stop signs in the USA, and the lack of stop signs in NL. The USA uses stop signs wrong. A stop sign works perfectly when used sporadically, in those places where a yield sign or a “right has priority and first come first serve” wouldn’t work. But the USA uses them everywhere. Which means drivers suffer from “stop sign fatigue”, meaning they ignore stop signs and use them more like yield signs.
In NL, when two low speed streets intersect, and both streets are of the same type and speed, anyone from the right has priority. It also uses a “first come first serve” system when more than two street users come at the same time. Let’s say 4 cars come to a “right priority” intersection and all of them want to go straight? Who goes first? The car that arrived first will go first and the one going in its opposite direction can take advantage of the fact that the other two have to wait and just go too. After that, the other two go. If they all want to turn left, the first to arrive goes first and then the others use right priority. If they all want to turn right, no one has to stop because no one crosses other traffic.
If you arrive at an intersection and someone comes from the opposite direction and you want to turn left, we have a rule that translates into English as “Straight on before left turn.” So the person going straight has priority.
If you come to that same intersection wanting to turn left and the car from the opposite direction wants to turn right, into the same street as you want to go, it’s “short turn before long turn”. That means the car going right goes first, then you can go.
This all works because the streets are small and narrow, which leads to low speeds. That means that there isn’t a lot of traffic in those streets. When traffic gets to much, you need signs to control traffic. If a traffic light or roundabout isn’t necessary, a yield sign is the best option. Only if a yield sign is to dangerous do you use a stop sign. This usually is because the intersection isn’t clearly visible when driving towards it, or on the very rare occasions when a street with very low speeds intersects a road with much higher speeds (example, when a street with 30 as the speed limit has to intersect a road where the limit is 50+). That’s the only correct use of a stop sign. When you overuse it, people treat it like a yield sign.
I know 2 stop signs in my town. One it at an intersection where you have to stop to see what’s coming from the other street. One is at a cyclist crossing, where a yield sign (for the cars) should have been used. At the first intersection cars do all stop as they are supposed to. At the second, no one stops until there are cyclist that want to cross.
That second intersection used to have 1 accident every couple of years. Always low speeds with no or minor injuries to the cyclists. Then the yield sign was changed to a stop sign, and now there are multiple accidents every year, including some with more severe injuries.
Stop signs don’t make an intersection safer. Unless they are used correctly.
Why is the traffic so smooth in the Netherlands?Even with the bike lanes?Well,EVERY car owner is also a bike owner!So they experience the faults car drivers make on them self.And thats why the traffic in the Netherlands is so smooth...And thats why there are so much bike lanes where the bikers are separated from the cars.Better still,the bikes lanes are often going over peaces off the country where the cars cant drive!😄😄 And off course when a biker is in the traffic it takes a lot less space than a car..One car is easily 4 bikers on the same spot.
if you need to put a stop sign you made the intersection wrong. (we still have stop signs but a lot less. i think we have them in situations where there is not enhough room to make it the right way. for example old narrow city streets. or other old bussy infrasructure that where build before these guidelines.)
Normally public transit is not on separate lanes and there are not many trams. It's just the big cities.😂
Usualy bikinglanes are just a red part on a normal street. It indicates that you should leave some space for bikes. Out of town and some very busy roads bikinglanes are separate from the cars. You are allowed to go 80 km/h out of town. Small roads don't have bikinglines. In a naberhood where you are usualy limited to 30 km/h that is no problem, but it is quite scary on small roads some times. Ofcourse roads where you are not allowed to bike like highways do not have bikinglanes.
The most important difference is that a driver of a car is usualy responsible in case of an accident and that roads are made for the speed limit and not the other way around.
So why you dont have bikelanes beside the roads???The trend is there that when there is a bikelane,it will be used by more and more bikes!!
hey highly im a big fan of yours and i agree its sad people there dont atleast have some safe way to get to work by bycicle. my point of vieuw is not only that bycicles adds another layer of job oppertunity's for young people and old and its inexspensive here a 2nd hand bike cost around 80 euro + - my hope is american politics wakes up and see's the potential of bikes to get people out of poverty and also make new generations have the bikes as a good start to life oneday.
Health benefits too
I’m Dutch and I can’t even remember the last time I took a train or bus. I don’t use public transit. I walk, ride my bike or go by car. Like most people in my region. Public transit is to expensive and it takes much to long to get somewhere. Much better to pay the huge parking fees in the big cities, than to pay the same amount and add an hour to my travel time.
I live in The Netherlands too and when I go a city like Amsterdam or Rotterdam I always use public transport. The costs of trains in comparison to my car and parking costs is usually in favor of the public transport, especially when I travel outside the peak hours.
depends on whay you do, for me city center to city center den haag to Utrecht is faster with pt
Thats why taxes are so high in the netherlands... XD We also pay for a good health care system compared to USA
onze healthcare is ook gewoon bagger want als je na corona nog steeds denkt dat wij prioriteit zijn heb je het goed mis, geld is dat wel, wij zijn niks meer dan n verdienmodel daarom heb je meer bijwerkingen bij pillen en spuiten, het geneest het ene en maakt t ander kapot want als ze ons genezen valt er niks te verdienen aan ons maar als je dit soort logische dingen zegt wordt je als wappie weggezet door tv want men wilt niet dat de mens zelf na gaat denken.
LOOK AT VIDEOS OF NOT JUST BIKES. THEY ARE GREAT !!!
Unfortunately Not just bikes doesn't like reactors using their videos. So we respect that!
Problem here is the electric bikes, they go faster than cars sometimes within city limits
so Dutch also has a problem with safety and people not buying their ticket, but because enough people are already using the transit network they can pay for security guards, even have dedicated BOA's paid by the city to help etcetera.
if it exist and is food and relatively safe, people will come, and revenue will come with it.
when something at the moment isn't an option as its either very unsafe or inefficient of course nobody would suddenly decide lets go do that!
and becouse change dousnt happen in a matter of a vew months but often takes a year to rea;;y show, small pilot projects does not show adequate numbers.
We don't need so many stop signs. We know our rules, and we are usually very social towards others, giving them space. But our shark teeth on the road are kind of stop signs.
Its nice how things are arranged over here, but it aint perfect either. A lot of car owners & enthusiast are of the opinion things have gone to far, and car owners & lovers are pretty much discriminated against. And being squeezed for every dime they have. Which is one of reason s why there has been an increase in clashes between car owners & enthusiast vs environmentalist, who pretty much are in control now. Who dont strive for any form of balance and coexistence of road users. So I actually predict more conflicts in the near future, and I' d its about time it happens. Im not about turning back the clock, but a lot of things has gone to far into one direction.
Remmember im Samuel's maatje
Living in the Netherlands.
This is my job.
Neat, huh?
Just living?Dont you have a job??🙁
@@jooproos6559 ja, ome Joop. Ik ontwerp die straten en wijken.
@@erik5374Ja ok!Dan klopt dat!!😄😄
We pay tax. The tax is used for maintenance the roads.
btw pedestrians and cyclists are protected by law. You hit one you pay
The Netherlands are a small hub in a river delta to serve the entire EU , so you cannot compare it to USA in general. We need to be efficient as a survival DNA. I dont expect anyone else to copy this. But I must say, there are actually alternatives for cars lolz ❤🇳🇱🥑
Yes, but the safety in the design of the roads is a choice. It wasn't always like that. In the 70's there were protests and road blockades to make the politicians act, because road accidents were skyrocketing just like everywhere else. Now, we have a whole institute dedicated to the scientific study of road safety. One of the most important points in their guidelines can certainly be copied. That is to make the roads look like the speed they are for. That's why you never see asphalt on a 30 km/h road. In some places you see e.g. foliage narrowing towards the road as the speed limit drops. You can put a '30 km/h' sign alongside a road, but if it still looks like a highway, it won't help much. A road should naturally make people drive the limit and pay attention when needed. That is much more effective than stop signs.
It will never happen soon if the car-lobby and the oil industry have too much influence in politics. Price of gas is too low!
And city's don't have the money and will to change their mindset. And for safety in public transport, well they need to address the gun law. People need to stand up and protest as happened here in the '70's.
I think that if you want to drive like we do in the Netherlands you will need stricter teaching of driving (we cannot drive with our parents here, to me it’s ludicrous that you can) and probably make the driving age go up too.
If they implemented this and Americans had to use bicycles, the obesity problem will be solved as well. Two birds with one stone.
Talking about stop signs.. huh... I know of only one, actually. Yeah there's really no need for those. I cannot imagine everything is solved by stop signs there!
Its not what you think it is.