Was Thrawn Overrated? | Top Military Commanders
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Who's the best military Science Fiction Commander! Is it Thrawn, The Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40k, William Adama, Ackbar, Sisco, Darth Vader or even Ender Wiggin?
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Hey guys normally we pin the funniest or wittiest comment. But for this one i just want to give a massive shout out to Thom (the true hero of the channel) he knows nothing about 40k and only had my imput to go on, not to mention the Emperor of Mankind has sod all footage and artwork of him is also scarce, so he basically pieced that segment together blindfolded and hindered when it came to material and I think considering that he did a smashing job! Thanks Thom good buddy (please don't end our partnership after the ballache that segment caused you) 😂 -Liam
The big E made some mistakes, I am not mad he is #5. To be fair I think the Big E's biggest downfall is the quality of his opponents tho.
When a protagonist meets another protagonist its like immovable object vs unstoppable force
Obiwan is very underrated...
Obi wan is the man! Probably as much to thank for Anakins success as Anakin is 😂
@@TheFandomeClipsvirgin chosen one Vs Chad hard worker
@@JacobBBB307I don’t think anakin was a virgin with padme around
What if Aemon the dragon knight (with dark sister) vs Arthur Dayne (with Dawn) vs Prime Barristan the bold (with Blackfyre he did kill the last blackfyre) vs Sir Gregor the mountain (with heartsbane, sorry Sam 😭) vs Prime Robert Berathion (with Ice, Good old Ned having his back) vs Prime Jaime Lannister (with brightroar his families lost vilaryian steal great sword) vs Sir Duncan the Tall (with oath keeper) fought a free for all how’d they do? Wanted everyone to have somewhat comparable weapons to spice it up
Quick thoughts on each entry
5) The Emperor - His achievements mean he earns a spot but a big part of his success is having the Astartes and Primarchs to do a lot of the heavy lifting so not THE top spot. Creating and using that force though shows a lot of skills. Logistics is a vital part of the job, an area the Emperor dominates all others with. He used the resources of 1 planet to plan a galaxy winning war. I would put him at the number 2 spot for your list. His big weakness though is that he is not actually an amazing general or leader. Just insanely smart and powerful and an amazing tech/logistics guy who knew how to play to his strengths and create the right tools for the job.
4) Anakin Skywalker - I am not personally persuaded. He is charismatic and an excellent warrior but he was never the grand strategist in the way that someone like the Emperor was. Make him a special forces leader and he is in his element. Have him manage the logistics of war and he is going to quickly fall out of his element. Him being a general is a waste of resources. Have him lead the equivalent of the republic SAS and he is the GOAT.
3) Ender Wiggin - The man is the ultimate tactician who has the amazing skill to look for actual win conditions by challenging the assumptions of the games/fights he played. On his game nobody can touch him. Sadly he was brutally psychologically tortured into becoming that good through months of endless training with nowhere near enough rest, isolation and other work where he was deliberately broken and committed genocide (unknowingly) as an attempt to be kicked out because he snapped. At 12! I would put him at the number 1 spot easily if you can somehow not have him be psychologically tortured into near catatonia before he even hit puberty. Him being as good as he is, even with that kind of situation, is frankly a miracle.
2) Admiral Thrawn - EU Thrawn is excellent and worthy of inclusion. In the new continuity though his actual achievements are limited enough that we have to rely on informed ability to get that sense of skill. So for legacy he is on the list, but if we use Disney SW material only he doesn't even get into the top 5.
1) Sheppard - I do not know enough about Mass Effect to dispute any of your arguments. But my impression (ignorant as it may be) is that he was never the commander of a fleet or so on. He led daring commando raids that inspired people and got stuff done. A great skill set, but not the top of the list for leading a war as he didn't really do that. Kind of similar to Anakin, if better at it. The ultimate special forces/rallying point but not the one you want as general.
So just from your list I would have Anakin, Sheppard, Thrawn, Emperor and Ender in that order, with Ender being the top dog but willing to admit ignorance may mean I underrate Sheppard due to ignorance so their position is fluid. Everyone else I am happy with their relative positions. But in reality Anakin shouldn't really be on the list at all and probably should be replaced by someone like Ackbar, or say Honour Harrington.
Great points Neo! Yeah Shepard does much of what you say, but much of their spot is owed to their ability to get the whole galaxy to stand behind them almost single handedly and its them who leads and commands the fleet initially in the final battle of earth before they go planet side to lead and coordinate the ground forces. He just about makes our criteria for a military commander (A single army/forces leader all the way up to a faction leader)
Anakin also makes the cut by similar metrics of he commands forces and is good at it (and we gave him the edge on the emperor by the absolute skin of his teeth because he shows more tactical creativity and the fact his fuck up only lasted 20 years whereas the emperors has lasted over 10 000 😂)
With Thrawn we took both versions into account just because the author has said its the exact same character just different time lines so they have the exact same level of ability, canon thrawn just hasn't shown us that level yet.
Thanks for watching as always Neo! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips Oh if we have a "who screwed up worst" in Sci-Fi list then you could fill a top 5 just from 40K. And the Emperor is a solid number 3 pick, edged out only by the Silent King and the Eldar race.... they know what they did.
And with I need to play Mass Effect it seems :)
@@neodigremo not actually an amazing general or leader. Just insanely smart and powerful and an amazing tech/logistics guy who knew how to play to his strengths and create the right tools for the job.- 3 primarchs are being almost destroyed by orcs, E arrives and defeats army of 100 k orcs with lost of 3 of his army (10k custodes) IDK but I would call him pretty good general, not to mention big part of GC was Emperor without all of his primarchs and E lead armies
I personally believe your wrong, in the canon thrawn books and the thrawn ascendancy trilogy thrawn gets up to some wild shit which is better than even legends, like what he manages to do in ascendancy is insane
1) Lord Solar Macharius @TheFandomeClips is not aware of this person.
what was that old quote from an imperial corporal about how vader wouldnt ask anyone to do anything he wasnt prepared to do himself? and that guys grandson (?) later said the same about vader's own fascist grandson, jacen. insert quote about rhyming poetry i guess.
😂 very true, reminds me a little of Rommel and how his men spoke of him. Thanks for watching as always feed theorist! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips didnt previously know you guys knew your star wars lore but i was happy to hear virtues given to vader that i feel are perhaps a bit lesser known, since i think many fans just perceive him as striking fear into everyone under him while he was actually quite admired.
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Oh yeah... we got some knowledge on star wars for sure :p We have a bunch of videos up on the channel, and on the second channel we have reviews of the TV shows.
Although, at least GoT is easier to keep up with, less changes to the cannon. Im not sure whats legit anymore over in a galaxy far far away 😂 -Thom
@@TheFandomeClips honestly i havent really seen any of the new star wars stuff besides the obi-wan series, havent seen the mandalorian or the bad batch or book of boba fett or andor or ahsoka or the late end to TCW or anything else since the end of rebels and the rise of skywalker (excl. obi-wan show like i said). so im sure there has been heavy changes to the canon in recent times but im pretty unaware lol
Admiral Preston Cole from Halo.
I would sooner see xytan 'jar wattinree, the arbiter, or offensive bias but I think Cole is up there.
Interesting list. I will say I think you went a little broad in definition of military commander :D. You have grand strategists bumping shoulders with tacticians and for me it felt like it was comparing apples to oranges. Love the format, love the takes, love the characters but I'd love to see a sequel video or two, maybe top commanders (as in general/admiral) best hero's (squad commanders/spec ops) and best faction leaders??
Shepard could be your number one tactical commander list, but not on a more strategic commander list.
As a hardcore 40K fan I would like to say CREED would better represent a military leadership than big E as Es strength is In phyker power while creed nearly defeated the largest chaos army on one planet
Creed is far too badass for lists like this 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
If the emperor got a hold of thrawn then he’d be next to unstoppable (he would be classified as an abhuman as the chiss are an off shoot of humans)
Thrawn is the man, he'd have every threat seen off in a heart beat 😂 Chaos? What Chaos?
Great video like always
Thanks as always Connor! we just had fun with this one, nothing too serious......we hope 😂 Liam
I must disagree about Shepard. He's a hell of a soldier and an icon, but not a military commander. In ME1, as much as we might dislike them, the Council gave Shepard all the leads. In ME2, it was obviously the Illusive Man running the show, and Shepard would even get outplayed, like in the "disabled" Collector ship. In ME3, the Alliance coordinated everything, and I'd say Admiral Hackett's role is often underplayed. I'd even go as far as to say that Shepard's abilities in leading his squad is mostly due to the personal bonds they have - just look at ME2, if you don't help your squadmates with their personal matters, they die in the final mission.
I mean he did lead the charge in the attack on earth and it was him who rallied everyone to get behind him in the final battle against the Reapers, he kind of ran the show when it came to all the alliances he secured, which was nearly singlehandedly (well with just the Normandy crew) I think he counts, if by the skin of his teeth ;) agree about Hackett too, if you read about him in the codex he made some brilliant moves against the reapers in space to space combat to buy shepard time, if it wasn't for the rule of one per franchise (which we know we broke 😂) we'd have had him on the list. Thanks for watching! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips he was undeniably the face of the coalition, but a lot of the actual planning was done by others. Liara and Hackett researched the Mars archives, Turians suggested bringing in the Krogan (and thus curing the genophage), Salarians made the cure, the Krogan lured the giant thresher maw to kill the Reaper on Tuchanka, Legion made it possible to settle the Quarian-Geth conflict, and Hackett and Anderson commanded the battle of Earth. When it comes to strategic decisions made by Shepard, the only one I can think of is using the Quarian fleet to destroy the Reaper on Rannoch. All in all, I think Shepard might be one of the best examples of the right man at the right place and time. But hey, your channel, your rules ;)
@@jonaszpawlacz756 oh I definitely get where your coming from Jona! man poor Liara, she was basically Sheps Hermonie at certain points. Definitely agree on Hackett, some of his ideas for giving the Reapers trouble were really clever too. My personal favourite was how he'd use their attempts to bottleneck mass relays against them, scout which ones they were guarding then send 5-6 dreadnoughts through, have them smash a single reaper to oblivion then immediately retreat back through the Relay 😂 pure genius and probably quite cathartic for the captains of those dreadnoughts who were used to seeing their ships blown to pieces. If Shepard was public enemy num 1, Hackett and Liara would have been priority targets number 2 and 3 😂 -Still Fandome Liam just from a different channel
The races didn't believe in their victory; but they did believe in Shepard. Sometimes that's all that is needed.
The only reason Thrawn did not win - was he murdered and even that a dubious plot device because the writer was simply notallowed to have Thrawn win.
Oh for sure Johnny, we wanted Thrawn at num 1 too! But when we looked at Shepard they're the only one that actually canonically won their war so to speak. Hard to put Thrawn ahead of that like we said in the vid. In pure intellect though and tactical skill Thrawn rules all day! -Liam
@@TheFandomeClips The solution is to make a movie in which Thrawn defeats the Republic! Happy endings!
You know, I'd actually love to see you guys doing ranking videos for real-life historic figures one day. I don't even know what kind of thing you'd like to judge them for, it'd just be neat 😊
I'm not sure how we could do that (especially political figures) without sparking genuine controversy Jeremy good buddy 😂 I suppose we could do the military commanders of history, but as you can see from our expert thoughts in these vids we don't really have the education as legitimate real life tacticians and strategists. I know a little about medieval and ancient warfare but not enough to talk about it confidently 😂 not sure about Thom. We could definitely have that conversation over in our discord server though if you ever feel like stopping by! Thanks for watching as always mate! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips Fair enough. No need to do it if you're not sure you could do it justice 😊
Great video, kinda dissapointed of not seeing Paul Muad'dib Atreides here though, he was insanely succesfull as a military leader.
Thanks Nico. Yeah Paul was in the same camp as Adama for me as in, I know who they are and know they should be considered, but its been too long since I read or watched their material (and Dune is a dam big read lol) so I didn't want to do him any injustice by working on faded memories 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
Honourable mention: Jacob Keyes. Battle of Sigma Octanus IV. Enough said
If Thrawn and the word "overrated" are in the same sentence, it's because his character was poorly written. Specifically, when Disney writes his character.
As a side note, one of the Legends Novels (can't remember which one) asks what would happen if Admiral Ackbar and Grand Admiral Thrawn went up against each other. The answer was, "the best thing Thrawn could hope for is a draw."
Great video!
Thanks Brother!
Personally I think walder frey pulled a Joffrey and made a mistake by executing Rob stark. Yes kill the men maybe even Caitlyn. But he probably should have hung onto Rob stark until Tywin delivered on his protection promise and sent men to defend the freys. Also Rob could be a useful bargaining chip if the north wants revenge. Considering how much history he has with the north how in merlins beard did he make this oopsie? Is he an old man version of Joffrey? I know Rob stark probably would have eventually been executed by someone. Perhaps at kings landing by Joffrey. But am immediate execution without thinking of the consequences was pretty dumb... If I was Walder Frey I am keeping Rob stark alive and as my prisoner to act as a hostage or bargaining chip and I'm keeping him alive until either Tywin gives me the men and protection that's promised or possibly use him to bargain for my houses safety if the north goes for all our war
I would assume the death of Rob was one of the conditions Tywin imposed on Walder Frey by the deal. Rob dead was the purpose of the plan, from start to end. And Walder's position relies on Tywin being able to trust him to some extent
@@neodigremo well tell Tywin he has rob and he'll kill him as soon as the protection arrives. A basic you keep your deel first.. this is walder frey, trust and Walder don't belong in the same sentence.
I’m so glad Anakin/Vader made the list! I’ll be honest I don’t know anyone on the list outside of the 2 Star Wars characters of course but it was still an awesome video like usual. Now I have 3 new franchises to check out in the future!
Definitely don't start with 40k StarWarsDanger (awesome channel people should check out) you will literally drown in the lore 😂 amazing as it is!
Mikey! Imagine how it felt editing the stuff for the God Emperor... I was like who the f is this guy ? Had to get Liam to find material and label it for me so I knew where it would go !
Enders Game is a decent enough movie though, I've heard the book is great and deeper though.
-Thom
@@TheFandomeClips 😂 I heard Henry Cavil is working on a Warhammer show or movie. Would that be a good start for warhammer? Thanks for the shout out again!
@@TheFandomeClips 😂😂 I’ll have to check out Enders game soon since I’m on break!
I love to see Ender getting the respect he deserves, goat strategist, goat book series.
The Immortal Emperor of Mankind had one big advantage. He was, well, immortal. He could have just said, "Screw you guys, I'm going home." and chilled on a planet until the Entropy brings about the Light-Death of the Universe to claim it was a Win.
Shepard was the equivalent to Lt. Colonel James Doolittle in power scaling against the Reapers. He was little more than a needle being driven through the heart of a galactic threat, causing as much damage to that threat along the way.
Very true, he does have that advantage, but that also plays into why he's at the bottom, 20-30 thousand years worth of experience and he failed all his goals and was undone by his own creations no less 😂 Shepards got the X factor i think, but then again been the protagonist of a video game will do that to you 😂 Thanks for stopping by as always Bloodraven! Always good to see you in the comments! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips You're welcome, Liam. Always glad to add my two cents to all of your videos.
And yeah, the Emperor did fail to render Chaos a non-factor to the material universe.
Even when he started his Primarch project, he lost them all to a warpstorm that manifested on Earth.
Rather than be forthright with his sons about the dangers of Chaos, he pulled the "I'm your daddy, don't use chaos."
I'm not familiar with all the universes in the video but I do like that the winner was essentially the one commander that could get everyone to work together, something that sounds so simple yet rarely ever works.
Ardarmas biggest weakness: nepatisum , made his son the captain of the Pegasus who got it destroyed
I'd say Revan was a better commander overall than Thrawn and Shepherd. Thrawn because Revan defeated the Mandalorians. He also actually lead troops and cordenated fleets unlike Shepherd who actually a great spec ops officer and diplomat not really a commander, the biggest wins in game he ever got was from getting people to unite under his united war effort. Hackett did the actual commanding.
Anikin did do a few war crimes tio, like surrendering, or asking to negotiate for his surrender and then attacking.
The seperists could have ended up taking no surrender, kill everyone
About the Emperor of Man, he knew full well the gods of chaos exist, the reason he was so hard into making the imperium athiest was because it would starve the gods of power. And the reason he didn’t tell the primarchs about chaos is because ignorance of it is unironically one of if not the most effective safeguards against it. The heresy and half the primarchs falling to chaos wouldn’t have even happened(at least not in the fashion it did in cannon) if a true believer in the form of erebus(fuck erebus) wasn’t in the wordberes legion. While yeah Big E does have many faults and he very much could have handled several things better(such as the destruction of menarchia and literally everything with how he went about getting angron) he did far better then most commanders, including a few on this list. And it is in my humble opinion that he could run rings around at least the two spots directly above him by the simple fact he has by the time of the heresy well over 30,000 years of experience as a comander, warrior and soldier. Not to mention he is the product of all of ancient earth’s pyskers(and maybe the soul of an old one, but that’s less than likely cannon) souls merging to create the ultimate weapon against the forces of the warp
I almost shed a tear when i saw THE Shepard being number 1.
Vader had o respect for the troopers, and he was well known for happily throwing them into a meat grinder to be killed, rather than using sensible tactics. That's why thrawn was a much more liked commander, he didn't "waste" the lives of his men.
What about Master Chief vs Shepherd?
Master cheif would tear Shepard a new one in a 1v1 fight. Weapon wise i think the ME universe has the edge over the UNSC, but Sheps cybernetics aren't really enhancements so much as they are life support mechanisms. Chiefs cybernetics and biological tampering however make him something resembling super human. Spartans aren't miles off the capabilities of a space marine in terms of physicality. Sheps just out of their depth in that regard.
However if it were a team fight, like squad level I'd say Shepard would take it as he's then got back up that can nullify some of the advantages of a Spartan.
@TheFandomeClips I don't know about a squad fight being in Sheps favor because if that's the case your getting Blue Team in the mix and with that comes the Goddess of Markmenship herself, and as good as Garris is woth his calibrations he ain't outshooting Linda, Shepard's squad would have a bunch of trouble making any kind of push with her on overwatch.
Aww, no love for the humans of Halo fighting and surviving against increasingly deadly galaxy-spanning threats? Cole, Hackett or Keyes could have been fun figures in here.
Sheridan from Babylon 5, was a great commander. He beat Earth, the shadows, and united the galaxy. he should be on here.
Thrawn from mousewars is an idiot, but the real Thrawn was a beast. The original Thrawn trilogy is some of the best Star Wars we ever got.
The trilogy that made the EU a legitimate thing instead of a bunch of boring side stories. Thrawn on a pure strategic level is basically untouchable, we only gave Shep #1 because they did accomplish their main objective, otherwise Thrawn would be welded to that top spot for us 😂 thanks for watching as always Manatee! Liam
If we include games Artanis should be at least honorable mention
You can not talk about characters across random until you have read the Makes an books
What about the master Chief he’s led campaigns and soldier into battle? Or what would you say he is?
He is just a soldier, the most he can do is lead fireteams but even other Spartans like Fred, Carter and Jerome can lead better, Personally I would nominate Captain Cutter for this List but I think he would only come in 6th place with the other members on this list.
Reaper fighter has already said it well mate. Chief is more of a soldier, he often works alone and solos armies himself rather than commanding others to do so. However he does lead a fire team so he kind of counts on the bottom end of scale!
@TheFandomeClips
I mean shepherd did the same we stay with a small team for the entire three games they only time they led forces was at the end of the end navy battle and hacket was the actual leader of the fleet
@@dakotalange2858there are other instances of Shep leading armies, he does have the ability to and he is the one who rallies the whole galaxy. But yes someone like Hackett or Primarch Victus lead large Armies/Navies more. Chief barely ever leads a fireteam as Fred is seen as the better leader as well as Sam before he died. So Chief can't really be put on a best leaders/Commanders list.
Emperor Reinhard von Lohengramm and Admiral Yang Wanli
They beat everyone except Thrawn unless they team up then no one beats them
Leto II
Thanks for recognising Shepherd and mass effect most people don't.
Dude/Dudette rallied the whole galaxy (even sworn enemies like the baterians behind them) and lead them to victory against the robotic equivalent of the Tyranids from warhammer 40k. How could we not recognise them? 😂 Thanks for watching reaper fighter! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips cheers for responding to both my comments mate, I love all your videos, they have excellent production quality and entertainment value. It is refreshing to see a youtuber talk about fiction in a way that doesn't diminish different universes or characters just to make one seem better, like everything in 40k or even Star wars or Halo could beat stuff from mass effect but you look at what characters were able to achieve not what the powerscale is. Anyway great vid mate.
@@Reaperfighter04always happy to respond to people as polite and respectful as you Reaperfighter! Yeah I mean if you power scale the reapers to other universes they get wrecked but if you scale them to Mass Effect they are literally the end times for the galaxy since the council races are rocking pea shooters by comparison 😂
Thrawn deserves the top spot. You say his complex plans work against him, but thats only really the case in rebels and other stuff like that. In the original books his insane success rate and his good treatment and usage of the people below him make them loyal to his commands even when they have no clue why they are doing what they are orderd to do. Pretty much the only reason he ever looses in the books is because the heros pull some insane stuff noone could predict out of nowhere (at least from his perspective) to save the day. In the original Thrawn trilogy and the new canon one combined he only ever makes one mistake and thats misjudging some tribals, but other than that he has a clean track record. If Thrawn was on the side the writers consider the good guys and didnt get the auto loose through that I think it wouldnt even be a debate that he is by far the best commander
All great points 👍 but that mistake with the Nogri was a pretty big one seeing how it did cost him his life and plot BS or not he did lose whereas Shepard won. Like I said in the video that was the only reason he didn't claim the top spot over Shep. Results speak for themselves. Thrawn is a force of nature though and I do agree with you, in terms of raw unfettered tactical and strategic brilliance Thrawn is untouchable. Thanks for watching! Liam
12:39 I disagree with what Thrawn's weakness is. IMO his real weakness is that success is the only thing that matters to him and so he accumulates lots of resentful, egotistical, and power-hungry people in his pool of subordinates itching to seize the glory from him, thus ruining everything. They would do this even if they knew the entire plan, so that's why I think that your analysis is incorrect here.
Jimmy Space doesn't deserve to be on this list IMO. He just had bigger guys than the others. He didn't really show that he was actually a great Commander.
Where is offensive bias from halo, defeated the flood which is a pretty comparative threat to the reapers, while facing down 2183:5 odds. Id say that earns a spot on the list but just my opinion. Also the night sentinel commander from doom: eternal could be up there but those are just my thoughts.
A brilliant suggestion for Halo Ethan! I think the Night Sentinel commander greatest strength is not getting the Doomslayers way 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
Glory to the Emperor
Hey our hilts hurt (definitely a channel any thrones viewers reading this should check out 😉) and fuck the Emperor glory to the Church of chad Shepard!!!! 😂 -Liam
How about you do the other sideof the coin and rank the 5 worst genrals in ASOIAF/GOT and Scfi
Thrones one already in the works debater mate! Thanks for tuning in as usual! Liam
Tywin already made the 5 best commanders in Westeros list I bet he could make the 5 worst westerosi commanders list as well 😂
@@TheFandomeClips I bet that a the Prince of Winterfell might be there
@@debater452 excuse me ser! put some respect on Theons name! He took winterfell with a handful of men, a feat very few have managed, heck even an army of white walkers couldnt manage it! :p - Thom
@@TheFandomeClips I mean when you are fighting mostly women, Children and Elderly is that really a fight.
MBOTF, F'KING autospell
Never heard of shepherd
Dude/Lady is the protagonist of the mass effect universe. Honestly an amazing sci fi game series if you ever get the chance to check it out! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips id personally put Aragorn on my top military commander spot. Just me... Sounds like a cool game though..
Good video but terrible ranking. Sheperd should not even be included. A better measuring criteria would be how genius or smart their plans were, not who was successful the most as that is just plot armour. The author can easily make a character win a war with a few sentences, but can he convince you the strategies he used were smart? That is much harder and how I would rank them.
Also Yang Wenli should have been on the list
No Optimus Prime?
Oh shit totally slipped my mind Lord Megs! But a great suggestion! Thanks for watching! Liam
Thrawn takes top spot, the only time he loses is because thats what the plot demands
You can make that argument for literally every single character in fiction 😂 Thrawn is number 1 on pure unfiltered skill for sure, but Shepard has him beat in the results department which is why we bumped him down one. Statistics are great but results speak for themselves! Thanks for watching! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips I respectfully disagree, thrawn understood his enemy unlike anyone else on this list and deployed ruthless tactics he just had incompetent subordinates and at the end of rebels it was “erm how do we defeat thrawn? I know space whales.” He was never defeated by conventional means.
I'd say Revan from SWKOTOR handedly beats Skywalker imo.
Love Revan, and did consider him, but the word isn't out yet if the dude is still canon or not like Thrawn and Anakin are and I already broke the rule of one per franchise for star wars already by doing the PT and OT era, can't favouritise SW too much 😂. I also wanted to avoid a slew of "not even canon" comments in all honesty 😂😂😂 hard agree though Revan might actually give even Thrawn a run for his money, though my credits are still on the Chiss! Thanks for watching! Liam
Fair points on all fronts. I agree fully that Thrawn may still be a better strategist too. Great video across the board btw. @@TheFandomeClips
Fandom not random.
No Rear Admiral Christon Cole? Okay...
😂 pretty sure thats a real historical figure and not a fictional character from a sci fi series
@@TheFandomeClips Preston Cole. My bad
Now we need worst military commanders
The thrones one is already in the works! Thanks for watching as always professor! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips I think Joffrey belongs on the worst... Technically he is one of the five kings.. I really, really want to see you roast Joffrey. Perhaps as an honorable mention? If your such a lousy king you need someone else to fight your war for you I think your a pretty terrible military leader. Lol 😂
Either offensive bias or defensive bias from halo
Yes!!! They'd make Arbiter and Cheif look like children by comparison! What a brilliant suggestion! Thanks for watching! Liam
Yang Wenli sweeps all of them
Who is that if you don't mind me asking? Where are they from? Liam
@@TheFandomeClips From Ginga Eiyuu densetsu (Legend of the Galactic Heroes in english), which is a Japanese space opera
It features a battle between The Free Planet Alliance (a modern democracy) and an Empire (Inspired by Prussia) fighting a long war across a good chunk of the galaxy, and it explores a lot of themes about politics : power, propaganda, the reasons and costs of war, what the better political system should be, political corruption, etc, etc
Yang Wenli is a commander for the Free Planet Alliances, and he's basically a genius at tactics, but he's matched by another commander that is about as good in the Empire called Reinhardt
It was originally a series of novels (that you can find), but it got adapted in OAV/anime back in the 80s, and readapted recently under the name of "Die Neue These". I personally recommand the OAVs, even if it's a bit "dated" by today's standard, it's quite good
Anakin is well deserved
Thanks red! We thought so too when we actually started looking at his performance as a general, Ani has great skills when leading from the front and in the mud with his men! Thanks for watching! Liam
I'm just gonna say it, I can NOT stand the Thrawn character and do not understand the love he gets.
I was initially excited by the Zahn books - until I read them.
Thrawn is a lazy character contrived by a lazy writer who used the art thing as his quick fix. It got absurd how he was able to anticipate all the moves the characters made - to the point I was annoyed and realized just how much lazy writing went behind this.
He also wrote all the other characters in a lazy faction, especially Han Solo.
But the main thing was how Thrawn was able to outwit species because he studied their art. Do you know how many f'in pieces of art there is out for one world. Writing is Art, Music is Art, Poetry is Art, and how many friggin' forms of painting and sculpture is out there.
Zahn used a lazy cheap way to make a static character to come off smarter and cleverer than he deserved to be, and that pissed me off.
Again, I don't get the love this character gets.