Doctor Who: The Complete Story of 'The Master'
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Id pay money for a story where the Master needs to take over for Doctor and spends a whole season being the main character, failing constantly at being good, but failing with style.
Like going through all the hassle and struggle to save some world, getting frustrated by having to deal with the "rules", then deciding that it was all so much trouble that the Master just destroys it afterwards anyway?
Get on it Big Finish!
We have the Lumiat, a "good" version of the Master, in the Big Finish Missy Serie 2.
That's basically the plot of the first series of big finishes war master series.
There’s a really good fanfiction where this happens. Missy has to/chooses to take over in the absence of the Doctor.
Time Lord 1: Hey, you know that amoral psychopath we have locked up for a really good reason? Let's release him to hassle the Doctor.
Time Lord 2: That's the best idea I've ever heard in my entire life.
Yeah but, I can c0unt on one hand the number of timelords we have met and, most of them are amoral psychopaths.
This made my day lmao
I can describe The Master's personality he's ruthlessly cruel, malevolent, megalomaniacal, mistranthrophic, insane, power hungry, psychopathic & wicked.
I well and truly believe that the story arc of “Utopia” is one of the greatest plot twists and TV setups ever.
💯
I was honestly super confused by how the people believed in Utopia existing and how it would have when the universe was done with, but I guess I must have just been the hope? But I am still left confused on how the Doctor believed in it at any point. Was there something I missed that explained its reasonability for potentially existing?
After watching im so mad they didn't make the master the timeless child. Thats would have been perfect. He destroyed the timelords as revenge for operating on him
Well in fairness, that could still be a possibility and just be Master fucking with the Doctor, making her think shes more important than she really is
I think it would had been better if neither were. The Master would still be pissed everything he knew was a lie and the Doctor would be conflicted on her Regenerations since it was stolen from a child
Just an awful storyline.
Because chibnall can't write clearly people like us could do a better job because that isn't a terrible idea and works better than that crap.
- Smoke - his stories are more like a above average fanfiction
_“The Master took a different path to the Doctor”_
*Good grief, we’ve found a bigger understatement than the Titanic’s captain saying “That iceberg isn’t THAT big!”*
A universe without the Master is barely worth thinking about.
I may be alone, but I think the Master is a pain-in-the-butt
For the Doctor and other characters in the show but the Master is one of my favourite villains in the show.
That was Ainleys Master saying that
@@andreistoica2470 yes. Didn’t he say that memorably in the five doctors which is one of my favourite stories. Before he tried to out-Rassilon Rassilon!
I’ve seen a lot of Delgado’s Master recently and his portrayal was magnificent. After Delgado died in that accident, such was the strength of his and Pertwee’s friendship that Pertwee came very close to calling it a day.
So basically the master is the embodiment of "i DIED but I LIVED"
"And then I died...I got better."
Doctor: I thought you died?
Master: I got better?
The Master! But I thought you were dead!
I WAS!!!!
The Doctor regenerates. The Master dies and then is reborn somehow. Both sort of cheating death, but one is doing it better.
I still fully believe the theory that the newest Master is actually the incarnation before Missy. It makes sense that she did indeed die for good (but honestly who knows with the Master). After all the work Missy does I believed that she had changed and the actions and personality of the current Master doesn't make sense to me that they would have gone back there (then again he is completely crazy, so who knows). But for me, the actions of the Master in season 12 makes much more sense to me happening before Missy.
i never belived that because that means missy new about the timeless child but yeah it is the master so
I have to disagree and say this is after Missy due to the Wicked Witch refrence and the refrence to being good before.
I mean it's entirely possible. We might find out after the final lockdown watches where Sacha comes in
Ben Ben when does he reference being good?
To me the canon is dead. The timeless child backstory has ruined the show's canon, and disgraced William Hartnell as the first Doctor, so I wouldn't worry, because they wouldn't just keep the Master good, because that would be a change and be good writing
BTW: One of the things I find amazing is that when the Master gets beyond his trauma he does some AMAZING things! He strove to save humanity, worked to get a degree and create an entire life for himself, married, and has saved the doctor on multiple occasions.
But look at the other side of the coin. He has killed the Doctor (Tom), and caused death and misery to untold billions...
@@marknorth8904 so has the Doctor, but death happens with life
his ass did not work for that degree girl he lied
"And this is when the Time War begun to get really messy and really convoluted"... as if a "time war" could be anything else, lol.
Lol Neil’s dad from inbetweeners is the master?? 😂mind blown
Oh neeeeeeiiilll
“He touched me here, here and here
You bumder
I know right!? Couldn't believe it.
The idea of Niel’s Dad being the Master using the chameleon circuit changes my whole view on that series.
Matthew The 8 year old child Master was played by William Hughes who is sadly no longer with us today.
1998-2018
WTF how the kid die?
@@horrorstew3577 Suicide. Didn’t find a lot of details.
It makes sense that shashas master comes before missy, the master says "dont even bother trying to regenerate you got the full blast" as hes crawling back to his tardis dying. He would the regenerate into sashas master while missy would be his last reincarnation.
I'd love Missy to be an early regeneration...
One problem with the Master (Sacha) being stranded on Earth after the Doctor outed him to the SS as a British spy is, he must have known many occasions when an earlier incarnation of himself was on Earth. For example, at Jodrell Bank in the 1980's when he was present for the fourth Doctor's regeneration. The Master has shown little regard for his previous incarnations and could have easily gained access the the Ainly Master's Tardis. He even mentions the Jodrell Bank incident to the Doctor (asking if he had ever apologised).
Outside of the obvious which comes from the struggle of multiple timelines in a show about constantly time travelling spanning multiple decades....
This was kinda shown with the master meets the master in various episodes
Stories I'd love to see:
UNIT
Torchwood
The Ice Warriors
New Earth
The Time Lords
I loved Torchwood and really would love to see them somehow bring it back or at least mention it again and show they are still around.
I'd love to hear about the trap of New Earth.
@@WhatIMakeIsRandom what trap?
What about the rose spinoff replaced by sarah jane adventures
Jerome Simar one of the more recent episodes said that Torchwood is gone
So it all started with what Missy said " I need my friend back"
Not even close, but hey whatever.
@@HOTD108_not even how you criticize someone, but hey whatever
Only One Way Can Describe this...
''Masterful,,
Caan*
Only one word Caan* describe this
The biggest twist with the current Master is that it turns out he directed the very first Doctor Who episode.
But in all seriousness, I think that the Master will always keep on appearing, just like the Daleks. And we don't want it any other way.
Love it! I recommend the Story of River Song it’d be quite the challenge lol
Ryan Capshaw it’s not as difficult as you think. You have the everything that happened in the tv show and after Matt Smith stuff with river before name of the doctor, then the audio dramas are just in between that and the husbands on river song.
This definitely gave me a lot of info on the master I had no idea about! Thats the extended universe for you I guess haha. Brilliant vid
Amazing how well you were able to capture the timeline of a character with such intricate twists and turns. Job well done! looking forward to the next video. Stay safe and healthy.
Just me who started tapping their fingers when they saw it was about the master oh ok....
Nope. Me too
Missy aka Evil Mary Poppins: Just a spoonful of sugar makes the poison go down :)
why couldnt they wright the female dr like they did with the female master aka missy
more like “scary poppins”
Torque the prisoner Because Moffat wasn’t around nor Russel T Davies.
@@thepopcultureenthusiast4146 😭
Exactly
Classic master: body snatching intergalactic wario.
Modern Master: Terrifying force to be reckoned with
Probably Galactic Conquering Moriarty or Space Dick dastardly
The Master is basically The Doctor if they hadn't gotten companions to keep them sane.
If the Classis Series had gone beyond 1989, you would have found out the Doctor and the Master are step-brothers...
Next time can you add the specific story (episode, big finish, book, etc.) that you are referencing. Great video nonetheless. Really enjoyed it and remembering where/when each event takes place
There is a great deal of information about the Master in the older Doctor Who novels and a couple of excellent stories.
Agreed. A quick ‘as referenced in novel X or audio Y’ would have been extremely useful. Nonetheless, an entertaining and detailed overview of the Master’s chronology - thanks.
Missy did remember regenerating from Simm. That was the tragedy of it, she knew he was going to shoot her. In fact I think that was her intention. That's why she refused to stand with the Doctor when he offered. She knew what was coming. I think when she grabbed his hand before she walked off there was a missing shot or something where she should have given him her confession dial.
She had no idea
There were lots of indicators that she did remember. However many lives ago the Simm Master was to her, she might well have remembered.
confessioun dial?
I learned later that it was heavily advertised that Simm was coming back, but, luckily for me, I never read anything or heard about it at all. So the reveal that Razor was The Master was literally one of the best plot twist I ever saw in this show,
Same. That shit got me good
This is a 'masterful' video
Someone said the Master should have been the Timeless Child. I agree. He wouldn't have just been the Master, but the Master Copy.
I still like to believe that the Sacha Master is actually pre-Missy, somehow, somewhere. The arc of Missy was a perfect end for the character, so I'd much rather one of the many holes in the timelines be where future incarnations are from.
The most upsetting part about missy arc is that the doctor never got to know she actually turned good and wasnt a sham...in last episode of series 10 before xmas special missy says "in on your side always have you silly sausage " something like that and the Doctor "sreious/really I need to know" and yet still never finds out it was all true
Im sure the Doctor will run into the Lumiat at some point
Sasha Dewane may have told Doctor 13 that during an untelevised part of The Timeless Child"...
The eye of harmony death survival could finally have its answer thanks to the latest episode of doctor who, I'm also convinced the spy master is in between simms and Missy due to the doctor obsession and cybermen
Take a shot for every time the master is said to have escaped. BET
Ha ha ha - Humans don't regenerate when they die.
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Iclunding Ainley
Who was a carboned copt version of the Master
That of Roger Delgado
Master and missy are obviously my favourite villain
@Alfie Brown!!!!!!!! ???
A good an informative video, but I would just like to correct a small mistake with the timeline. The MacQueen Master should place after the Master's resurrection by the Timelords, not before as is presented in the video. Really a minor thing, but I did want to point that out. Outside of that however, everything seems correct. Again, good job!
Amazing video! (I'd say Masterful but someone already made that joke) Just one tiny thing: the MacQueen incarnation happens after the Ravenous encounter and is the first incarnation of current Regen Cycle. The decayed Beavers incarnation is finally killed by the Ravenous inside Artron's tomb on the planet Parrak. Eventually two of his future selves (Missy and War) and one of his previous selves (Eric Roberts stolen body) team up to ressurect him (with permission from the CIA) and give him a new Regen Cycle. Once the regeneration is done, Missy greets the new Master with "Hello you" wich is MacQueen's catchfrase
21:16 I'm not a big fan of John Simm's portrayal of the Master, but I *love* what Russell did with the character's relationship with the Doctor.
We always thought the Master was hell bent on surviving, but he's not - *he's hell bent on beating the Doctor, and he'd live for a million if that's how long it'd take.*
In Last of the Time Lords, the Doctor thought he knew the Master - he thought all he wanted was to live forever. But proving the Doctor wrong in dying, the Master came as close to a victory as he could. In a way, he beat the Doctor. Even if it costed him his own life, he didn't care because he won.
So much better than being obsessed with immortality. Russell really transformed that character.
John Simm's Master was the perfect foil to David Tennant's Doctor. Both actors about the same age, similar build, similar energy level, similar ability to switch on a dime (or a sixpence) from dark and brooding to manic and joyful, then back to dark and brooding again. If Simm had played The Master at any other time, it would not have been so good.
Not really that idea is introduced in Mind of Evil when his fear is exposed to being the doctor laughing at him (presumably at his defeat or his plan collapsing in ot itself.)
Think about he planned if he was to loose to die and to be brought back he knew that dying was only part of his plan to mess around with him till it’s time
@@FreihEitner Maybe during Tom's time? Tom could be happy and joyful, and then dark and brooding...
@@marknorth8904 Yeah, maybe. I can see that.
Roger Delgado will always be the best incarnation of the master
animelovers000 Completely agree, Roger Delgado was amazing as The Master, all others are pale imitations.
@@RiminiVirage you must've have listened to the war master then
John Simm will always be my favourite
@@RiminiVirage Anthony Ainsley was pretty good, too. But yeah, Roger Delgado captured the character's essence best, I feel.
The one during Tim bakers time as the doctor was pretty good I thought.
I would totally watch a series like this that covers the timeline of every doctor, the big finish audios add so much to the story
Wow this was really well done & In-depth! A lot I didn't know about in this video!
Loved it, awesome job mate
That was quite revealing! Thanks!
Very impressed with all the back story of the master and how it's been brought up to date I am a long time I'm Doctor Who fan I have been lucky enough to have met some of the actors who have played Dr Who like Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker not too sure about the new one but I have hope for the future I was born in 1965 I've and of course Doctor Who with a big part of my life if on Saturday night as a child loved to be scared by the Daleks and the Cybermen of course I would say this program went on to shape my life if I became an electronic engineer and I firmly believe there is always a way out of a problem and I also went on on to work behind the scenes of some of the comic cons I felt a little bit guilty taking money for having so much fun very impressed with your research and your website long may it continue yours sincerely big fan of yours and the program wish you the best of luck.
Are you American? I honestly thought you were British right up until you typed "program" instead of "programme", I have occasionally wondered what the Dr. Who phenomenon was like Stateside back in the 1970's and like how far behind in episodes being aired where they.
14:43 nice to know that they made the master look like Lex Luther.
Thanks for uploading it love this video
THISSSS IS nuts. I can't imagine that being able to get included in the storyline. MANNNN...!!
No mention of The Dark Path Master, The War In Heaven, The Magistrate, The War King, or The Man With The Rosette?
Dark Path is a glaring omission, The War King stuff though is in a time war that was averted and never happened now so best left out. Rosette man is unconfirmed but likely, but the Adventuress of Henrieta Street was such an awful book to try to get any real definitive anything out of, probably best left unmentioned. I mean its all based on 3rd hand accounts and other BS that renders it all but unreadable. Law Miles worst ever book.
Just finished the Dark Path. it was such a great story.
You deserve so many more subscribers
Great video guys! I’d love to see the history of River Song!
The Complete Story of the Time War next?😁
That would be pretty difficult considering that the war messed with the timelines heavily so there is a lot of contradiction in the accounts of it
@@EditedAF987 And the Time War is mentioned in some of the Doctor Who novels, especially the Engines of War [ I'm too lazy to look it up ] with the origins of the War Doctor.
I really liked what they did with Missy n her transformation.
Can't believe they completely gave up on that and went back to classic cartoonishly evil, which can be entertaining at times but a bit mmmmmehhh
Totally... it was a huge cop-out and an equally big eyeroll
Yeah sure, let's just get rid of one of the biggest villains. While we're at it, why not kill off the Daleks and Cybermen forever? We don't need them anymore, we have many iconic new villains with equally limitless potential. Like the P'ting. I'm sure they could do JUST AS MANY stories with that deep, lore rich character as they have with the Master.
I like to think he came before Missy hence why she kept sorta hinting "since the doctor was a little girl"
@@will6330 well that's good and all, but missy said one of them was a lie which was the little girl, because the cloister wars happened and we know he stole the presidents daughter, even though they say it was his wife.
Sacha is a brilliant master, yet there is no real concrete evidence that he's after missy, because if he was before missy, he wouldn't tell the doctor before that point because even they know that time would shatter.
You failed to mention the Master's fate in 3rd Doctor novel ''The Last of the Gaderene''.
There are so many different explanations to Delgado turning into crispy master idk which one is right, theres the Susan one where he was fighting her for the matter transmutor meaning crispy is delgado, there was the Doorway to Hell one where 12 defeated him and he ended up slightly burned and mortally wounded but started to regenerate (meaning he either attempted regeneration but botched it after the comic was over because h'd already run out and ended up in the decayed body or successfully regenerated and a later body became the crispy one or regenerated into crispy) and there's the Vampire Of The Mind one (on the Tardis wiki it states the Macqueen master burned him but idk if that means burnt to that point).
But in any case I though the cause of crispy was he tried to regenerate when he had none left
The two masters actually suggested that Delgado and Pratt/Beevers were two separate incarnations as when we see the MacQueen Master burn his younger self on Terserus he’s played by Geoffrey Beevers
Missy is always going to be my favorite version of The Master. She's the peak of that character's arch. Although I will confess that I stopped watching after the 12th Doctor, so I don't have an opinion on the 20th Master. I fully intend to get to the 13-15th's runs, but since I've regained interest in the series I've had a lot less free time (that's just part of growing up and becoming an adult and a college student though)
Recent *Big Finish* adventures show that, actually, there was _another female_ incarnation _in between_ *Missy* and Sacha’s *Master.* This female incarnation was called *The Lumiat* (for some reason), and was 100% _entirely good._ The theory, borne from the end of the _'The Lumiat'_ adventure, is that *Missy* herself, from early in her timeline (and thus still evil), disgusted by *Lumiat’s* utter innate goodness, kills her future self, causing *Lumiat* to regenerate into Sacha’s *Master* who, as we all know, reverts back to 100% evil & maniacal ways.
The 14th Master hower reformed because of Covid 19 he cant be evil again and helping the Doctor destroying Valeyard it might be a coincidence but in the 3rd universe however Rani apeared again this time in her 3rd incarnation played by Jenna Coleman a possible return of Omega might be possible the question is which Doctor faced Omega first was 3rd or was 5th thats the question the 14th Master is now played by James Mccavoy here he will reappear in the Masterfull along with the rest of the Masters
Great breakdown of the Master and his/her regenerations! I've seen a few other breakdowns with uncertainty as to which regeneration number belongs to each Master. It can cause quite the headache. 😀
Amazing Timeline! Thank you!
Needed this today. I agree with the idea Missy was the final regeneration of the Master.
This is great, well done 👍
a lot of the early history is fumy because you know a lot of it is ad libbed by different writers over the entire run of the show. huge props to this guy and wiki writers i guess
Awesome video, guys! I love explanations of lore like these. I'm desperate to find out where Sacha's Master falls in the timeline.
The BBC has, more of less, confirmed that he's post Missy when they did his Master History video after Spyfall part 1.
Its a crime we never saw Sir Derek onscreen more than we did
Now that was really, very well done...
This video is a
*Master* piece
I would enjoy a movie about the doctor and the Master as children and then growing up, it would be interesting to see how their friendship developed and how they became enemies.
Story of Romana please!? soo good! thanks for explaining the transformation into Missy, great research skills, love it
Romana 1 or 2, or both?...
@@marknorth8904 i didnt know there were two! so both i guess hehe!
This was a pretty good video, hope you do one on the cyberman at somepoint
What if the midnight creature was the master within his shadowy form
Nah, he would’ve mentioned it if he was
In Ravenous 4 Beevers master got killed by the Ravenous but brought back by the other Masters granting him more regenerations with a certain device used by Professor Artron, he regenerated into the Macqueen master though, meaning either the Roberts master was pre-crispy or Macqueen was Pre-Roberts
Roberts is still technically the crispy master, just possessing that body. In planet of dust the Beevers Master revealed that he eventually lost the Roberts body and reverted back to his 13th self
Excellent! Brilliant synopsis, seemingly from beyond the sources I fluent in. Thanks!
I’m still not convinced that Sacha master regenerated directly from Missy though. Perhaps in the next few years/decades we wi get more clarity on that, and other things 😅
Again thanks for all your exhaustive work dedication & analysis!
Who do you consider to be the second best Master? Mine is Michelle Gomez...Third, John Simm, barely ahead of Anthony Ainley,,,
@@marknorth8904 Missy, second after Delgado. He set the mold after all. Unfortunately Sacha didn’t live up to Missys bar though his best performance, by far, was his last one
He kinda reminds me of Loki
It's amazing how many lifetimes The Master lived and died through.
So the master got a whole new cycle of regenerations before the movie and used them all by then?
That's some rough dedication there.
No he didn’t. He was still in his 13th Incarnation as whenever he lost one of his stolen bodies he would always revert back to the Geoffrey Beevers form
Great video you did miss what happened in Mastermind but other than that great video 🙂
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, that is a glaring omission as well! Well remembered.
Roger Delgado the one and only master
The master's timeline is just like "HAHA SIKE BITCH"
This is amazing!
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
Quite a good video- though there have been a few new Master stories since 2020, such as Masterful and MASTER! (Plus the ongoing War Master series)- but otherwise, marvelous!
The Ravenous and the resurrection was Beevers to MacQueen, not after MacQueen.
"...locked away forever."
Of course, being _Doctor Who,_ forever is a bit of a nebulous concept. 😉
Not really. Forever means forever. It's not hard.
The doctor was a lousy student. That was established at least twice during the 4th Doctor’s period. Romana even mocked him for it when she first appeared
William Hartnell's Doctor wasn't a lousy student. Granted, he did have to apply to the Academy twice. He didn't do as well as the first Romana, but Doctor did better overall than the Master...
@@marknorth8904Which isn't good, considering the second time he barely passed.
Somehow palpatine returned...i mean the master
I loved the original masters, John Simm was a perfect crown to that, Missy was an ok choice but only because Michelle Gomez is fantastic at playing unhinged (and im sure the green room is what landed her the job)....but Sacha Dhawan plays it as an annoying, petulant child. You don't feel like he is the ultimate nemesis to the doctor anymore, there is no flow between them. It's one child, dealing with another child and both make you feel like you wnt to slap them and say grow up.
See you’re problem with Sacha is the problem I have with Matt Smith he acts to much like a child
@@alistairrae9807 I have that same problem XD It's just even he's a more bareable now compared to it all (except big finish) :(
@@CrashHeadroom fair enough me I personally rank him as my least favourite not saying Jodie is but I respect that other people will like Matt or Jodie or both it’s all about personal preference
I would suggest putting a simple noise gate on your voice, or perhaps a DeEsser, so that inhales and exhales won’t be as distracting.
Production notes aside, this is a wonderful biography of the Master’s life. I love this video.
That was incredible!
it would be pretty neat if they made an ep or two about the master and the doctor’s relationship with each other and the decas during their time in the time lord academy
I love when you said I'll put a poll yeah they got rid of polls
Great video
Thank you ☺️
Okay, the master is the doctors best and worst friend😂😂 like damn. The master is also really unappreciated 😂
Fr😂
In the diaries of river song Eric Roberts was actually in an episode and seemed to be after the TV movie with the fact he is trying to escape the time vortex by building a tardis like machine
Thank you Matthew.....I love ❤️ the master so much.
I'm convinced the Master isn't really a timelord but some kind of reality bending creature that's like a Timelord but more OP. He would have been a better Timeless child
I mean he could actually be the timeless child the Master is not known for being a reliable source of information. Also a large part of their story ark together is the master trying to get a rise out of the doctor
On some blogs the idea seems to be that yes there is “a” Timeless Child, but there were two children playing in that clip showing the Timeless Child and one fell … the fallen one could be the Master. (The inference being that he may also be a Timeless Child.)
Fantastic video.
Great video, would be even better with citations
Like how you pasted over the fact Missy wasn't suppose to regenerate.
I like to think O's Master is before Missy. It doesn't feel right that we got all that character development simply tossed aside but then again can we expect that level of thoughtful writing from Chibnall at this point?
I think Davies will retcon it
In all honesty I feel like the entire era of Chibnall’s writing really doesn’t do the doctor or the master justice. The Master is just used as a 2 dimensional main villain for the doctor and all he ever really does is somehow manage to destroy Gallifrey out of nowhere and reveal the timeless child through the 10 minute monologue explaining everything. It all just feels really insulting to the material that came before it, and I hope that future showrunners will somehow be able to rectify it and redeem both characters.
Blimey, didn’t realise Big Finish and books had SO MUCH lore!
Need more videos like this. I love juicy lore 😂👌