Stopmotion lens choice, all budgets
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2021
- Best lens or glass for stop motion is a something that I have been researching for long time now. I have been asking DOPs for long and testing some lens on my own. Now I can say I have a better image of all the options and hope it can help others.
Nikon vintage lens is a great choice, used in big feature films and tv series to cover all the needs of a lot of sets working simultaneous, it is a great type of lens at a reasonable price.
L series, if you are a canon user, is a nice option for a small studio, shooting from commercials to behind the scenes.
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Let me know in the comments what lens do you like or use. I would like so much to know it!
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I just use a Canon EFS 18-55 which is a pretty terrible lens, but it does the job and it has a great minimum focus distance.
Nikkor 28, 50, 55 macro, 85mm AIS. 20mm Zeiss flectogon
Nikkor AI-S 18 f/3.5, 28 f/2.0 & 55 f/2.8 macro. AF-D 24 f/2.8, 28-105. G 18-200.
My favorite lens is my 50mm f2 for stills. However, I would recommend the Nikon Nikkor 28mm f2.8 for stop motion. It's sharp and is relatively affordable. With the Sony camera I'm adapting to, you can achieve a minimum focus distance of 9.5 cm.
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I would highly recommend the 50mm prime lens from canon. It's really affordable, and is a really sharp and detailed lens.
My favorite stop motion youtuber 👍
I there anyone else? xD
This is so informative! I think I have that first canon lens you mentioned and I definitely have had some times that I accidentally bump the image or something. I might consider getting an older lens at some point in the future though. I’m sure I can find one in my city.
super handy; definitely looking forward to the flicker video!
Yes, another video! This is so helpful!
Start looking for lenses yesterday :D thank you for the video!!!
Thank you for this fantastic and informative video 🤩
Finaly! I actually got some useful items. The canon kit lens came with my EOS 11D
I've been using a Rokinon 35mm T1.5 cinema-style lens, which is definitely on the budget end of cinema lenses. It's fully manual, so no flicker issues. Minimum focus distance is 12 inches (0.30m), but what I really like is the approx. 170 degress of barrel turn to focus from 12" to infinity. Much easier to get precise focus. It has a fair amount of focus breathing, but I haven't had to pull focus much.
Nice many people reach me talking about rokinon👌sounds good
Forgot to mention I bought this for a crop sensor camera so the effective focal length was 56mm. Now I have a full frame and I miss having the extra distance from the puppet. As far as image quality goes, I've been pleased. I had a couple of my shorts shown (pre-COVID) at the local movie theater on their BIG screen and it held up quite well. And the sound track was awesome on their system!
I love your proection Edu!
Incredible info - great video!
Perfect timing!
Thanks for the video! I'd highly recommend the Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f2.4. It has a minimum focus distance of 18cm and it can be found for quite good prices!
Fantastic video
Hi! My favorite sony zeiss 85, zeiss 135, 90 macro!
thanks great job
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Love this. I am on the canon 18-55 kit lens but considering an upgrade soon as you showed the focus ring causes issues sometimes
Amazing
Los stop motion de este canal son INCREIBLEEES.
No se como quedan tan bien, es decir, hay uno de hace 5 años (uno de los primero videos) que son 30mil veces mas buenos que los míos xD
I`m using 5d mk2 with micro Nikkor 55 mm. Thank you for your videos.
Best combination ever
Es extraño escuchar en inglés a alguien que habla español como yo
Thanks for making a video pertaining to stop motion lens choices. I appreciate the variety of perspective. I've been using a Sony camera with one of the older nikkor 28mm lenses most of the time. With the adapter as an extension tube, It's astonishing how close you are able focus. Additionally, I thought I would ask if it would be common for you to use a single focal length for short films. I'm asking because I want to use my Voigtlander 50mm lens for stop motion. This is my favorite lens to use for stills. However, I have a greater focal length selection if I go with my 3 nikkor lenses. I know the color rendition would be different between the different manufacturers. Can you really get away with a single focal length for short film production. Thanks for all of the videos you've created over the years. It really mean a lot to me. It's difficult to find solid stop motion information. Keep up the great work you're doing.
It is a direction decision. You could make a film with a single lens but it will be a lot harder to show all the points of view. It is also a good challenge
@@edupuertasfruns Much appreciated. I think I'll stick with the Nikkor lenses for stop motion. The other 50mm has a minimum focusing distance of only 45cm. Though, I might consider a closeup lens attachment.
You make excellent educational videos for stop motion, and kudos for taking the time to share them. This leads to a question, as lens focal lenght is causing a personal headache. My kit is a Nikon D5300 with 18-55 VR kit lens, and running DragonFrame 4. I came accross the following two lenses Nikon 35mm 1.8G DX / Nikon 50mm 1.8G DX/FX. My kit lens seems to cover mid range, but was wondering if one of those lenses would cover mid to close as the kit lens is not flexable enough.
I haven't used those lens, if they are for normal photo they will have a mínim focus distance of 500mm so check this before buying
Thanks
Nice!
Ya era hora de un video sobre ópticas.
Personalmente me encanta el Nikkor 55mm f/3.5 Makro
ya ves... año y medio que empecé este video. Son la leche estas ópticas.
@@edupuertasfruns Y gracias a ti descubrí las ventajas de las ópticas de cine. La verdad es que esta parte del stop motion es la más difícil de aprender. Quienes enseñan animación no suelen enseñar fotografia y viceversa, eso ha hecho que entender de ambas sea complicado
Thanks so much for such an informative video! The link for Nikon Lens to Canon Body adapter looks like it's for the old Canons... do you have a recommendation for the new RF mount? I was looking for one for a Canon EOS R fromm the same company and noticed the adapter was a lot deeper than the one you linked to - would that change the operation of the lens?
Great video, I wanted to know how to use zoom in stop motion.
I think the 24mm stm from canon is a potential choise. it is like a sharper 18-55 but prime. how is it? is a kind of wide angle, not too much distored so you could get a more natural looking and as it focus at 16cm, the result is just a little wider then the 18-55 at 55mm. Sure, 55mm get actually closer, but 24mm is 2.8 and prime, you can get even shallower depth of field than 55mm f5.6 if you need it or get the same or longer just stoping down and due to be fix focal, you do not loose quality or light transmition which change throughout the zoom range. It's main drawback is the focus ring and motor, it is sensitive and can't be locked, so any touch could be death.
So far, I've used a Nikon D71oo with SIGMA lens 17-50 mm + a 18-55 mm lens with Close-up & Micro lens set: +1D - + 2D - +4D & 10D micro. It has all worked fairly ok, though the camera plus lens is quite heavy to work around with - when not mounted with tripod :-)).
Thank you for all this amazing info. I’m looking at getting a cine lens with an ef for my dslr the Zeiss Compact Prime CP.2 50mm/T2.1 looks amazing but obviously is up there in price. Is there any other lenses that are similar but more affordable?
Thank you for this really informative video. I have a Nikkor 35mm lens I'd like to use on my Canon 5dMkii. It seems to have a flange which interferes with the mirror. Am also planning on buying the Nikkor Micro 105mm and from what I can see on the photographs it may have the same problem. Is there anything I can (like cut it off with my dremel)?
Gran video :D
Solo precisar que el lente 28mm f/2.8 que enfoca a 20cm es el AIS. La versión AI tiene enfoque mínimo de 30cm.
Saludos desde Perú!
Tienes razón
I have been looking at the Canon R/RP camera bodies with RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 IS STM lens. The R and RP can get a Stop Motion firmware update that allows 1920 x 1280 live view as well as manual focus peaking, aperture lock and Funktionen Focus Position Memory.
Did you try or hear about the R/RP? Any thoughts?
I want to add my take on the subject from what I have gathered throughout time. All in all the video is doing a great job explaining everything so for the most part I will get more specific and will offer some budget options that may get you to a high end setup for the same money you would get an entry level settup. Any brands I will mention are brands that are ideal for the scenario and not brands that I had any bias towards (otherwise this comment would be just for Fujifilm and Phase One).
I will start with the camera because I feel there's a lot to add on top of what the video said. First of all I would greatly not suggest working with a DSLR camera, right now they have some attractive prices but for the nature of these projects DSLRs are too bulky, heavy, clunky and limitting compared to Mirrorless. You generally don't want to have cameras that are too big and clunky bc it can cause unwanted movements even when mounted on a tripod. The main reason I would suggest a mirrorless though is the access you have to vintage glass and to Chinese thierd party manual lenses. Mirrorless naturally offer much more options for mounting lenses due to the minimal space the camera's mount has from the sensor, while in DSLRs some lenses cannot be mounted bc you will not get the right focus or you will get additional distortions. Sony is one great option all around, the cameras are pretty customisable and they are pretty well known for their low light performance, anything will do really but Sony will come back soon.
Lenses, I could go on and on about lenses but the important things to mention is if you can get them declicked aparture, that's ideal. Some vintage lenses have that option that will let you work with every f value and will greatly reduce the risk of camera shake.
Nikkor lenses do not offer that option but their range is simply too convinient and the pricing pretty good to not suggest them. I would suggest going for the 21mm the 28mm the 35mm and 50mm, I think 85mm is too expensive for stop motion projects but if you feel it's necessary go for it, 21 will be more of use that is what I can guarantee you. The lenses I can suggest you more than the Nikkor ones are the Chinese manual brands, TTartisan and 7Artisans, they both offer manual lenses that perform superb from f2 onwards they offer cheap options for f1.4 and wider (with lots of distortion and softness though), most of their lenses either come declicked or they can be declicked and both of them offer cine versions of lenses that are slightly sharper slightly birghter and with gear mounts of their rings (priced usually at 300-500$). The other vintage glass I can suggest is Leica R lenses, they are limitting due to their eh focus and I would suggest to only look for the focal length that you use the most, because they can get pricy and they mostly offer a unique rendering mostly in colours, they are well known to perform like cine lenses though.
Sony has one option that most camera brands don't though. Really REALLY cheap auto focus vintage glass, cheaper than Nikon's D lenses (which I also do suggest greatly) and that's the Minolta AF lenses with the necessary adapter. Those lenses have really good auto focus and they fit well on the newer cameras, they all have short focusing distances, they are fast, sharp, only thing is that they do not have an apparture ring, but they offer the option to set the apparture whatever value you want.
For beginners I would say whatever fast 50mm you can get your hands on is a great starting point, make sure to get it with a lens hood and make sure to get defusers for your lights, with a set of lights and a nifty fifty that goes up to f1.4 you can do everything.
I would also suggest you to go with a puppet or anything that will be a good reference point to a camera store and try the different focal lengths i mentioned, see which fits best for your take and always measure it in terms of usability. 21mm for example is a pretty cinematic focal length but it comes handy in certain scenarios only.
Thanks for the time to add to the video. I agree in a lot of points and have personal preferences in others.
I agree searching whatever camera or Lens you might find fits your budget or production. For me it is not brands but factors that makes something work. You pointed really great options.
You want a camera that works fine with dragon frame. And a Lens that don’t make aperture flicker with a small minimum focusing distance. And the best quality or aesthetics you can.
On my experience I’ve had issues with mirror less and till now, big productions still shoot with trusty big old cameras. They hold better the time of usage.
We don’t need extreme speed, or sensor stabilators. I’ve had many issues with live view shaking. I would 100% get a Lens with manual aperture ring. I don’t understand the importance of being declickable in stop motion. And would love so much to have the 21mm and 35 mm you say
Thanks again to give your point of view.
@@edupuertasfruns Thanks for pointing out your preferences.
De-clicked apparture has helped me bc i can work in smooth transition of short to long focusing zones and i can just adjust better, whoever I offered the de-clicked ones they like it too.
Personally I came from a photographer background I was prone to use mirrorless for many reasons but most importantly for lenses, I'd like to hear your issues with them though. Also because of that i know how different brands have different colour pallets and thus they will require either less or more editting in post if the one you picked fits your taste, outside of that I agree brand doesn't matter as much on cameras as the lenses.
What about smart phones, which one is best for stop motion?
I love your videos they are amazing can you show us how to make a ball and socket stop motion skeleton out of Legos please
Sabes algo sobre que tipos de lentes usa Laika?
Friend why do you think that film lenses are better for stop-motion animation? I saw footage from the Laika studio they use regular canon photo lenses. And do cinema lenses always have more optical imperfections than regular photo lenses? so why use cinema lenses? And is the Nikon Z9 suitable for shooting frame-by-frame animation to which the electronic shutter?
I have the 24-105L, the only problem I have with it is it won't hold it's zoom when used overhead. Otherwise I love it.
Same, have to tape it
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Wait the cards that come with dragonframe are used for something??? Please explain!
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Hey Edu, which three Nikkor lenses would you say are essential for stop motion filmmaking?
The 55 mm is the one
I was wondering what I could do with my old Nikon lenses . . . now I just need a digital camera body.
You have an important part, they are not easy to find in good condition
Hi Edu, how are you doing?
We have a question regarding the Canon f4l, you said it doesn't flicker for you, but how could I know it wouldn't flicker for us when we use it? Thanks in advance!
What I do is to take a 5 second time-lapse in dragonframe with the same settings as you are animating. And if you see it flicker when playing the video then it does, if not you are safe.
I’ve heard the issue with cameras shooting for stop motion is that the shutter has a shutter life - I believe around 150,000 shots depending on the camera. Is that true? If so, what do you do?
It can be true, so far my 5dmk2 didn't stop at that point
@@edupuertasfruns Thank you sir!
What is the cheapest Canon camera you recommend to use the EF-S lens with?
Well 2000d will work, we are using a 1200d for years now and no problem. If you have more money 80d is a solid camera I am using since I started this channel
@@edupuertasfruns Thanks! What do you think of the EOS 1000D? Found a used one that's quite affordable.
What would you recommend for a Fuji stop motion shooter?
Old Nikkor glass is an easy choice across all brands
@@edupuertasfrunsare they sharp enough for product work?
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how come i never find the easy rabbit holes to fall down?
OMG me too! Been using this video for weeks now as a reference while I research what to buy.
Please please please
As un muñeco frofecional de stop motion y los bende por mercado libre
That cine lens is 😩😩😩
Please please please can you show us how to make a ball and socket stop motion skeleton out of Legos
plz
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Cannon l series 24 to 105 this must be the best universal lense with no flicker ?
Please help
I use it a lot and is hard to notice the flicker on it. It is a good all use lense
@@edupuertasfruns I’ve just watched watched your other anti flicker videos,,, do u always disengage the lens? Also if your ever in uk let me know so we can have a drink cheers
@@edupuertasfruns also edu your a legend!
Why don't you make the puppets more bigger it'll be easier to work with and you won't have to zoom in so close I know in the Coraline movie they use bigger puppets I think they were like over 10 or 13 maybe 12 in tall so maybe you could work with something like that maybe a little bit smaller than 10 in I say maybe 9 in I just feel it needs to feel good in your hands so that you can work with it I mean the size is relevant and shouldn't really affect the overall Film Production so I think that's something to look into.
Yeah, deppends on a lot of things. Bigger puppets means bigger sets and expensive lighting
Great animation, but terrible choice of background music, which made me stop watching the video early on, as I got tired of hitting the mute on and off when I thought the talking parts came on. Anywayz, the point is, when designing videos we need to design for our audiences tastes and not our own, and the inappropriate rock noise track that was chosen here, would only appeal to a small fraction of the audience of this channel and generally those would be the younger 12-30 age group. A softer, more easier listening and non-offensive background tune would have grinded less viewers down, especially us older folk, and led to greater viewer satisfaction. Apologies if I left any commas out ;-)
This. CZcams videos have overly loud annoying music on them so loud you cant hear anything being said.
I have no clue why any video maker thinks this is a good idea.
I never sub to these people.