They're probably going to be better for house, padlock, or moped keys... like what they mostly use them for over here in asia. Great advice and explaining ❤
Nice video with practical comments. Wish this guy was my friend down the block! You can get some valuable information about using and adjusting a manual cutter like this one by reading the manual for a Foley-Belsaw 200, which was a simple high quality American made machine.
Was looking at getting me one of these myself not long from now or the ilco Manuel machines if people wasn’t bidding them up so high. If I were a locksmith Ild drop a few grand on a machine but just for fun I can’t justify that.
The reason you go towards the machine first is to not destroy the cutting wheel. So yeah, it works, but it won't before too long as the teeth will be eaten up very quick. It's like putting a blade in a circular saw backwards and trying to cut with it.
On that type of ford transponder key you can program a new key to the car yourself if you have two working keys. I realize that most people who want a another key probably only have one though.
I'm a locksmith and I use this machine. You really don't know what you're talking about. 🤣🤣 yes each to their own opinion but this made it easier than hand filing keys. Yes it's not the best but it works. So you may wanna rethink your statement about locksmiths buddy. Also your key is crooked cuz you did not set it correctly. You did not even calibrate the machine correctly. You have to do it for every style of key so it works
Funny how every Key I cut worked fine, funny how every lock I decoded worked out as well. Funny how I am successfully removing chips from circuit boards to program keys. The only joke here seems to be you! Locksmith? Whatever.
There is no need to remove the original key from tracer jaw and flip it, key alignment can be lost the both sides of the original key carry the same cuts.
@@ralfsautomotive Ummm... No? If they weren't identical you would only be able to insert the key one way... Why would any automaker do that to piss off their customer
So, in a nutshell... key orientation is paramount. The machine will do everything it was designed to do. But the results depend solely upon the user's attention to detail. And that is where this machine lacks: it's ability to accurately align both the blank, and the key to be duplicated, at whatever angle/distance/depth, etc. In other words... you get exactly what you put in.
Thanks for the video. I was seeing these machines on eBay for under $200 and wondered how cheap they really are. I do locksmith on the side and wouldn’t need it to make hundreds of keys, but would like the keys I do make to be quality cut. I now know NOT to buy this, I’ll just spend the $500-600 on a Foley Blesaw key cutter. Thanks.
Yeah, but he's a Mountain Guy. That's how it is up there, lots of time to talk. Just another way of life, and it many ways a better one than we've got here. Slow down and enjoy what he's got to say.
You go from left to right because of the shape of the cutting wheel. Right to left you can get stuck and bend your key with an imperfect cutting blade. Fyi.
@@ralfsautomotive I had to do an emergency key make and that's what happened last night. I want to get a double sided wheel. Supposedly those last longer.
@@mastermattk I lift the key back on the large valleys and already have cut a ton of keys without having a single problem. Part of it stems from me doing Machine work for a living. I also cut several of the security keys on the other machine. Maybe I will post a Video sometime soon.
Not a bad video buddy 👌 just one question can it cut civil key's as well as car key's? I'll be looking for more content...thank you . Robbie from huyton Liverpool UK
This is good for House Keys. I have only used this Machine 3-5 times. I have since become a registered Locksmith and use Computerized equipment. If you are thinking Cars my opinion is that NO I would not buy it.
They are pretty cheaply made and not the best for the money. I bought 5 before I said to heck with it and bought a used USA made machine. 1st one plugged it in and it just let out smoke, sent it back for a replacement, 2nd one the shaft was bent, 3rd one same deal shaft was bent, 4th one the machine holes were off and it wouldn’t cut straight enough with all kinds of adjustments. The 5the one the plate was bowed witch made cutting ok but I sent it back as well. First 3 came from a eBay seller, and the last 2 I bought from different sellers on amazon.. You get what you pay for.. They’re around 2-250 bucks from eBay and Amazon, The used one I got from marketplace on Facebook. Works great and came with around 200 new key blanks. Was 300 bucks but well worth it.
I'm just curios as to why this machine couldn't be used to provide a key cutting service as a side-service to something like a gift shop... I don't know a lot about this stuff... would this machine work if you expected to only be cutting maybe a couple keys a day?
LOL, If I would do a couple of Keys a Day I would be investing in a better Machine. And besides, on a professional level you need a licence to buy and sell keys. I have since upgraded and am now also a licenced Locksmith so I do not use it at all.
@@ralfsautomotive Not in this country you don't need a license... a locksmith needs a license.. but to simply duplicate keys, you do not as long as you have the original. I understand that you are a "professional"... which I am not.... so you don't have to laugh at me for asking a question.... but no... in Canada you don't need a license to duplicate keys. Also, at the cost of a "professional" machine... I certainly would NOT invest in one if I was only doing a couple of keys a day... it would take way too long to pay for itself... I'm talking about offering a simple key cutting service in a gift shop... not being the world's answer to a super hero in the locksmith world.
@@SamA-jg8vy A couple of keys a day will kill the cutter that is why I said LOL. Used Quality Machines are 20 times better that the DEFU all I am saying. If you buy keys in bulk you are supposed to have a licence!
I know this is an old video but I only want to make keys for a classic car, meaning pre-64ish will these work ok for the old keys like that? Reasoning is I got the run around everywhere I went on getting the usual places to cut the blank I bought that looks like the original keys. One said no they can't because we don't know what metal it is and might tear up our machine, another said only if you buy ours which they didn't have anything that went back that far, blanks, and the last one the machine wouldn't cut old keys. I ended up going to an old lumber yard kinda hardware store and they wouldn't use mine but lo and behold they had 2 keys that look like they'd been there since the 60s so bought both and they cut them. Then i went to a regular locksmith and had him cut the blanks I had. I even asked if i showed ID and my title to the car! It was just ridiculous. Even the locksmith thought the same. Sorry bout the book!! But it shouldn't be this difficult and nothing after market is made with better metal than the old one I wouldn't think,. Nothing else repop is! lol
First off, Yes, that machine would cut any key like that Given that the fixture can hold it. Second, I would not purchase a Machine just to do one Key, a simple File can be used if need be. There is other equipment as well and most locksmith's will have all of that. Those that would tell you it would tear up the machine simply lack the education! The Cutter Wheels are capable of cutting steel just have to be carefull. Cutters are made of coded high speed steel, still used today around the world in machine shops. I since then took classes and got a locksmith licence myself. Been doing Automotive and Residential for a while now and the reason for asking ID is that in the past vehicle got stolen like that. Same as cutting a Key via code, anyone can get or find a Code so it is vitally important to know that you are not cutting keys for a thief.
@@ralfsautomotive Thank you! Wasn't just for one but thought i could get crafty with keys for friends etc. I am notorious for getting big ideas then do it and move on to the next though so the advice not to buy one is also good! Part squirrel. As for the cutters, look at a dremel i guess, the cutter is a piece of sandpaper basically and I cut a piece of steal bracket 1/4" thick, had to be real careful as those disks fly apart. You are right on thieves, there may be some that don't want to steal a car the hard way left out there. Thank you for the reply and congrats on the new "job"!
They're probably going to be better for house, padlock, or moped keys... like what they mostly use them for over here in asia. Great advice and explaining ❤
My first key was a freak until I watched Ralf's automotive diagnostics , thanks .
Nice video with practical comments. Wish this guy was my friend down the block! You can get some valuable information about using and adjusting a manual cutter like this one by reading the manual for a Foley-Belsaw 200, which was a simple high quality American made machine.
They are good machines if you know what youre doing and have been trained properly.
They are affordable and do the job.
I use a Rytan in my business, 120v. 15:38 That latch is called a Tip Stop
Was looking at getting me one of these myself not long from now or the ilco Manuel machines if people wasn’t bidding them up so high. If I were a locksmith Ild drop a few grand on a machine but just for fun I can’t justify that.
I bought the 368A model for around $70 and it works fine.
The reason you go towards the machine first is to not destroy the cutting wheel. So yeah, it works, but it won't before too long as the teeth will be eaten up very quick. It's like putting a blade in a circular saw backwards and trying to cut with it.
On that type of ford transponder key you can program a new key to the car yourself if you have two working keys. I realize that most people who want a another key probably only have one though.
If all slots(4) are used up it will have to be cleared.
Perpendicular was the word you were looking for. Not horizontal.
I'm a locksmith and I use this machine. You really don't know what you're talking about. 🤣🤣 yes each to their own opinion but this made it easier than hand filing keys. Yes it's not the best but it works. So you may wanna rethink your statement about locksmiths buddy. Also your key is crooked cuz you did not set it correctly. You did not even calibrate the machine correctly. You have to do it for every style of key so it works
Funny how every Key I cut worked fine, funny how every lock I decoded worked out as well. Funny how I am successfully removing chips from circuit boards to program keys. The only joke here seems to be you! Locksmith? Whatever.
There is no need to remove the original key from tracer jaw and flip it,
key alignment can be lost the both sides of the original key carry the same cuts.
Sure but it is one of the I'm not going to be in trouble things!! There are Keys that are NOT Identical.
@@ralfsautomotive Ummm... No? If they weren't identical you would only be able to insert the key one way... Why would any automaker do that to piss off their customer
So, in a nutshell... key orientation is paramount. The machine will do everything it was designed to do. But the results depend solely upon the user's attention to detail.
And that is where this machine lacks: it's ability to accurately align both the blank, and the key to be duplicated, at whatever angle/distance/depth, etc.
In other words... you get exactly what you put in.
Keys are mostly symmetrical. You don't have to flip the master. I did it for reverence. But yes, location of the cuts is the ticket to success.
Thanks for the video. I was seeing these machines on eBay for under $200 and wondered how cheap they really are. I do locksmith on the side and wouldn’t need it to make hundreds of keys, but would like the keys I do make to be quality cut. I now know NOT to buy this, I’ll just spend the $500-600 on a Foley Blesaw key cutter. Thanks.
I would get a used machine that is of higher quality.
I bought one and it works awesome... self-proclaimed professionals love to crap all over other people and their ideas.
Just like the JET8000 but manual, it only have 2-way jaws instead of the generalist duplication machines w 4-way jaws.
IM LIVING IN HOPE HERE BUT DO YOU HAVE A WIRING DIAGRAM FOR THE MOTOR ON THIS KEY CUTTER
What Do you mean Wiring Diagram? It is 120V
@@ralfsautomotive
It's a 240 volt machine not 120 volt
Well done
Wow, this guy can talk. Why use 1 word when 500 will suffice
Yeah, but he's a Mountain Guy. That's how it is up there, lots of time to talk. Just another way of life, and it many ways a better one than we've got here. Slow down and enjoy what he's got to say.
Muito obrigado pelas orientações, eu estava buscando um manual para minha maquina de cortar chaves e encontrei seu video .
You go from left to right because of the shape of the cutting wheel. Right to left you can get stuck and bend your key with an imperfect cutting blade. Fyi.
good point.
@@ralfsautomotive I had to do an emergency key make and that's what happened last night. I want to get a double sided wheel. Supposedly those last longer.
@@mastermattk I lift the key back on the large valleys and already have cut a ton of keys without having a single problem. Part of it stems from me doing Machine work for a living. I also cut several of the security keys on the other machine. Maybe I will post a Video sometime soon.
Where you buy it,
eBay, amazon both sale these. And others like them.. If you haven’t found one yet..
Do this machine cut mailbox keys?
Not a bad video buddy 👌 just one question can it cut civil key's as well as car key's?
I'll be looking for more content...thank you .
Robbie from huyton Liverpool UK
This is good for House Keys. I have only used this Machine 3-5 times. I have since become a registered Locksmith and use Computerized equipment. If you are thinking Cars my opinion is that NO I would not buy it.
They are not cheap machines by quality because they do cuts just as good as an expensive brand.
They are pretty cheaply made and not the best for the money. I bought 5 before I said to heck with it and bought a used USA made machine. 1st one plugged it in and it just let out smoke, sent it back for a replacement, 2nd one the shaft was bent, 3rd one same deal shaft was bent, 4th one the machine holes were off and it wouldn’t cut straight enough with all kinds of adjustments. The 5the one the plate was bowed witch made cutting ok but I sent it back as well. First 3 came from a eBay seller, and the last 2 I bought from different sellers on amazon.. You get what you pay for.. They’re around 2-250 bucks from eBay and Amazon, The used one I got from marketplace on Facebook. Works great and came with around 200 new key blanks. Was 300 bucks but well worth it.
This machine can only cut for side type key blade right???
That is correct it will not do blade type. I will post a video on the blade type soon
I'm just curios as to why this machine couldn't be used to provide a key cutting service as a side-service to something like a gift shop... I don't know a lot about this stuff... would this machine work if you expected to only be cutting maybe a couple keys a day?
LOL, If I would do a couple of Keys a Day I would be investing in a better Machine. And besides, on a professional level you need a licence to buy and sell keys. I have since upgraded and am now also a licenced Locksmith so I do not use it at all.
@@ralfsautomotive Not in this country you don't need a license... a locksmith needs a license.. but to simply duplicate keys, you do not as long as you have the original. I understand that you are a "professional"... which I am not.... so you don't have to laugh at me for asking a question.... but no... in Canada you don't need a license to duplicate keys. Also, at the cost of a "professional" machine... I certainly would NOT invest in one if I was only doing a couple of keys a day... it would take way too long to pay for itself... I'm talking about offering a simple key cutting service in a gift shop... not being the world's answer to a super hero in the locksmith world.
@@SamA-jg8vy A couple of keys a day will kill the cutter that is why I said LOL. Used Quality Machines are 20 times better that the DEFU all I am saying. If you buy keys in bulk you are supposed to have a licence!
Can you help me that we're can i gate this machine
I got mine on eBay
Where eBay
Bitch tell him WHAT THE DAMN NAME IS.
I have the same exact machine. And it's not cutting correctly and I change the blade. Does it needs a adjustment
Yes
I had the same problem but there’s a video that shows u how to adjust it . I watch the video and the machine work good now .
Can use to car key or not
Is that the original cutting blade or what type is needed for automotive keys?
It will do the old style keys as is.
Hey, can this machine duplicate most types of House standard keys? Thanks
I'm a locksmith and this machine works. How ever doing automotive keys it's a lot harder and does not always work correctly.
Yes
Hallo Ralf , ich brauche eine Maschine für schrägnuten, kann ich bei diesem Model den Tasten und Fräser auf dünne umrüsten?
Ich glaub schon.
I know this is an old video but I only want to make keys for a classic car, meaning pre-64ish will these work ok for the old keys like that? Reasoning is I got the run around everywhere I went on getting the usual places to cut the blank I bought that looks like the original keys. One said no they can't because we don't know what metal it is and might tear up our machine, another said only if you buy ours which they didn't have anything that went back that far, blanks, and the last one the machine wouldn't cut old keys. I ended up going to an old lumber yard kinda hardware store and they wouldn't use mine but lo and behold they had 2 keys that look like they'd been there since the 60s so bought both and they cut them. Then i went to a regular locksmith and had him cut the blanks I had. I even asked if i showed ID and my title to the car! It was just ridiculous. Even the locksmith thought the same. Sorry bout the book!! But it shouldn't be this difficult and nothing after market is made with better metal than the old one I wouldn't think,. Nothing else repop is! lol
First off, Yes, that machine would cut any key like that Given that the fixture can hold it. Second, I would not purchase a Machine just to do one Key, a simple File can be used if need be. There is other equipment as well and most locksmith's will have all of that. Those that would tell you it would tear up the machine simply lack the education! The Cutter Wheels are capable of cutting steel just have to be carefull. Cutters are made of coded high speed steel, still used today around the world in machine shops. I since then took classes and got a locksmith licence myself. Been doing Automotive and Residential for a while now and the reason for asking ID is that in the past vehicle got stolen like that. Same as cutting a Key via code, anyone can get or find a Code so it is vitally important to know that you are not cutting keys for a thief.
@@ralfsautomotive Thank you! Wasn't just for one but thought i could get crafty with keys for friends etc. I am notorious for getting big ideas then do it and move on to the next though so the advice not to buy one is also good! Part squirrel. As for the cutters, look at a dremel i guess, the cutter is a piece of sandpaper basically and I cut a piece of steal bracket 1/4" thick, had to be real careful as those disks fly apart. You are right on thieves, there may be some that don't want to steal a car the hard way left out there. Thank you for the reply and congrats on the new "job"!
Will this machine do any side milling?
What you see is what it will do
Can u send a link where u bought it play and than you
EBay they may not have them anymore. I don't use mine anymore. If you close by I can sell it to you.
this was exessive talk, just get to the cutting and express your opinion or tested on a lock period,p max 3 minutes
You don't have to listen that is why there are more videos. Don't like mine move on! I don't need your comment or advice.
Are you Steven Avery's brother?
This dude is chill as hell. What are you even talkin about?
maybe you should post videos and actually do something instead of running your mouth with meaningless comments and stupid banter
Maybe you should get a life and find a different channel to watch. Keep your pathetic comments to yourself. Maybe take a class or two to get educated.
Annoying 😧😧😧
It's not a good demo if you can not mount your camera on the one you demonstrating