Last Stand of the E60s - North Philadelphia, PA - 2/24/03
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This trip came together for one simple reason...see an E60 before they are retired. I can't remember if I had heard that their days were numbered or not, but on this cold Monday in February I set out to catch the last of them in regular service on the Northeast Corridor. I had only seen one in Perryville a few years before but they usually spent their last days between Philly and New York, an area I never really ventured to.
So I traveled to the North Philadelphia station, which turned out to be an incredibly busy location. I noted just over 150 trains between 7AM and 3:30PM, and that inlcudes a lunch break were I certainly missed a few. It was cold and it even sleeted for a minute or 2, but it was an enjoyable day! The E60MA's are seen a couple times in this video, mostly on long distance trains but I also got one on a Keystone Service train which made a station stop (most Amtrak trains do not stop here).
The E60s would only last a few more months, as most were retired the following May.
Ah, the early 2000s, when Amtrak was in the middle of like 6 different eras.
It was a good time for sure!! Now you get ACS-64s and ACELAs and that's it.
Capturing the Rails MARC is still using HHPs
LittleDeez I know, I was referring to Amtrak only.
2001 Amtrak had the hhp8/Acela,aem7,e60,p40,f40/npcu,f59,dash 8 and p42 for main power
But now hey have p42 p40 f59hpi npcu Acela acs64 and dash 8s for main power
In 2018 that is
I think 3:50 really sumarizes this entire video.
A HHP-8, pulling a selection of Phase III, IV, V & VI Amfleets ...
Cool
Yes exactly!!! Funny & sad...
2:35 E60 #603 is currently now in the railroad museum of PA
When I was editing this video I noticed that right away...I pass the museum fairly often.
Aren't you the guy who claimed to be Connyx's son and distributed her content without license?
@@ktrainBFS No that's not me (or are you referring to slenderman?)
@@lappdawg27videos Yes I am
Wow really very cool when you seen the video back in 2003 and you seen it now very cool not gonna lie
7:13 “Norfolk Southern, what’s your function”🗣️
Really neat to see the mix of III, IV/V & the "acela" wrap on the Amfleets.
3:57 This tossed Amfleet salad would even make NJ Transit blush.
Yummy
*eats*
I don’t understand why railfanning isn’t done like this anymore. This is a really well filmed video
Thanks for the comments! I used to do this a lot...go to one place and sit there all day and record what went past.
@@lappdawg27videosI do the exact same thing
@@lappdawg27videosI just want a better camera
I hate when people recording the train either talk or record and not show the train leave or go past at all
@@mattk9644 I agree. People have gotten lazy with filming. Nowadays, it’s so easy, you could just record on your phone or iPad.
Right in the childhood.... man I would love to have seen the E60's on Keystones. Great video as always!
dude same
I was searching through some old forum posts and it seems that their (E60) use on the Keystones was something they did towards the end of their life. At this time the Keystones west of Philly were still diesel powered so an engine change at 30th street was necessary for the NEC section between NY and Philly.
This retired 2 things from Amtrak, the last E60 and the last Nathan P01235 to ever be on an Amtrak locomotive. R.I.P. to you both.
@THE TIME IS MEOW! THEE last P5 on Amtrak is CDTX 8306. The last P5 on a locomotive was probably this one because F40PH 229 (which had a P5 until 6 years ago) was already an NPCU in 1998.
F40PH 226 had a Nathan P01235 until when it was retired.
czcams.com/video/0dmAWTtv328/video.html
Well done! I remember the E-60s fondly. I worked near the Northeast Corridor and used to watch the Silver Meteor and Silver Star daily when the left NY Penn withing an hour of each other!
The E60’s were retired almost 2 years before I was born. I plan to go see 603 at the museum.
I miss and love those beauties the E-60s
Me too!!
Same here, I love their horns and their aesthetic
This is a GREAT video especially because of when it was shot. It captures the best of this time...fleeting paint schemes on Amfleets and motors that no longer run. Many of the equipment here are now long gone. The following years would bring many more changes with the railroads here and with scenery along the ROW. Thanks for posting!
OMG is all I can say about the E-60. Most horrible locomotive to repair, and we were ALWAYS repairing them. When I worked at Wilmington Shops, people my size performed most of the repairs because everything was cramped and hard to access. A dirty nightmare to work on, we hated them, it was like being inside of a submarine.
I went to Sunnyside Yard back in late 2000 & saw the E-60’s (Flying Bricks as they were called) switching cars around & the following year they were all gone !!! Tall props to you for capturing the Metroliner Service as well, miss those trains !!!
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing these "older" clips. Definitely interesting to see the GE E60 and all of it's six axle glory still in service at this point.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow great video and man back in between 2002 or 2003 these old AEM-7's that they have the first E-Bells but they were hard to come by for the other railroads but Amtrak has their hands on them first.
2:33 I saw 603 in the Museum in Pennsylvania
If only the HHP-8 would go to the museum. But one of them is a cab car now so I’m expecting it to happen to the rest if successful.
great stuff! Thanks for sharing!
You bet!!
11:23 maybe 2 bells of the 5 are working. Oh those E60s and their extremely large amount of untapped potential despite their age.
15:30 also the last year for the three rivers train, as that was dissolved later in 2005, and considering it had the cardinal and lake shore limited to compete with it’s not hard to see why it failed.
Man, what a great video of so many trains from a whole bunch of different railroads with all sorts of different equipment. This deserves like, 30M views instead of just 30K tbh. Thanks so much for treating us to this amazing action :D
Glad you like it! When I posted it I figured it would do well. When it comes to passenger trains, this was easily one of the best days I had filming. I wish I would have had a better camera then!
It's definitely a treasure trove of trains and I'm glad you uploaded it for sure!
What a coincidence, this video was takin on my birthday!! I was a year old. Also, it seems like Amtrak kinda looked better back then with many locomotives!
I was 12 days old
15:49 *E60 acknowledges end of life with horn salute*
The overhead wire and related infrastructure look like a maintenance nightmare. Impressive how many hundreds of miles this is in use and it works every day.
The Phase IV AEM-7 at the end did me in! As much as I hated that paint scheme, it weirdly fit the AEM-7 well.
Loooooove your video, I have a HO Scale of Amtrak E60. it is beautiful.
...nice
CTR Aerial, I like the E60.
💘 LOVE your FOOTAGE👍👍It's MY third time watching YOUR nicely edited piece... GRRRRRREEEAATT Camera work TOO!! Thankyou Soooooooooooooo VERY MUCH for Sharing... An 🎇Seasons 🎄Greetings🎅🎊🎉✌
Thank you for these awesome shots! Much better cooler than the boring mix of Acelas and ACS-64s these days!
I agree...variety is so much better!
Wow never in my life seen amtrak in 2003 but now
1:01 This Amtrak Horizon car decide to escape Illinois or Florida and just go to the Northeastern Corridor
That Acela Regional-branding looks really nice on the Amfleet cars :-)
I remember being so annoyed when I was on a northbound FL train and we got an E-60 put on in DC. It meant we would be limited to 90mph for the rest of the way! haha. This is a great video. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the comments...glad you liked it!!
And the same trains and all from the Atlantic City line still looks the same to this day. Crazy how no thing has changed over the years
E60 #603 is now resting at strasburg railroad museum outside sadly rusting away.
I seen this E60 when i was growing up
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I know amtrak was going to retire them, but I feel like it would've been cool to see them in either Phase 4 or 5
How did the E60s get away with no ditch lights into the early 2000s?
They didn't pass over any grade crossings, so they were exempt
Capturing the Rails Actually, some E60’s had ditch lights on the top, and the headlight on the nose
But that could’ve possibly been the ones with steam generators
@@kryhtz They are oscitrol headlights
SuperWorldFan360 Yeah, I didn’t know how to spell it. XD
Back when acelas actually used their ditch lights! Aahh, if only I could go back in time to see this!
The Acelas back then didn’t have the side skirts near the pantograph unlike now
That was busy!
Ahhhh the good old days
16:28 PHASE 4 AEM-7
the acelas and hhps looked different in the 2000s, they didn't have the roof covers before
Oh cool, early Alcea was in this video as well!
Pretty much everything was!!
I see during this time Amtrak had alot of different equipment on the NEC.
And the HHP-8 (in AMTRAK livery here) is now in MARC livery - and likely about to retire (along with the rest of MARC's HHP-8s as they are replaced by ACS-64s).
I believe MARC ordered their HHP-8s new at the same time Amtrak got theirs. All the Amtrak units are stored.
2:04 silverliner II witch its my favorite cuz the horn
the tops of the acelas seemed so… open, compared to now
It's sad. The E60s didn't get a dignified ending, looks wise. They were never repainted...
It would be killer to see some E60’s in Phase IV & V
'Ello govna
Nice
I operated the E-60 locomotives up until their retirement on NJTRO. Some of these locomotives came with Steam Generators and most had Head End Power. The E-60 was a powerful Locomotive. Easily pulling Amtraks largest trains and up to 12 coaches on NJTRO. They had severe lateral motion until more shock absorbers were eventually added. They were originally designed to go 100MPH. But was lowered to 80 mph because of the lateral motion. There were times I’d swear the locomotive would spread the rail because of the lateral motion. Swaying back and forth pounding on the sides of the rails with the flanges on the wheels. From what I was told the main problem was, it came with 6 axle trucks instead of 4 axle trucks. Otherwise they were fairly reliable.
I had heard of the swaying problem before. I always thought they were cool just because they were something different...thanks for sharing!
@@lappdawg27videos
Until the Shock Absorbers were added, and they didn’t last long before they wore out. One way to sort of control the lateral motion was to apply 10 to 15 pounds on the right independent locomotive brake. This would generally reduce the lateral motion that was bearable. I’m telling you this. Sometimes the lateral motion was so bad and really scary. The locomotives Wheel flanges would slam against the inside of the rail to the point, that I couldn’t believe the locomotive didn’t spread or break the rail and derail. Unlike the GG-1’s that were extremely loud, drafty, had hardly any heat, no air conditioning, greasy and dirty. But with all the GG-1’s faults. They were extremely reliable, extremely smooth running at any speeds up to 100 mph plus and were extremely powerful and also my favorite Electric Locomotive. The E-60’s had great heat, air conditioning and were not as noisy.
@@mdlanor5414 Hard to find any video of the GG1 rocking back and forth side to side.
The GG-1 was absolutely the smoothest locomotives I’ve ever operated. From starting to move all the way up to 100 mph plus.It was articulated and had 12 wheels with drivers and two,two axle trolleys. That’s 20 wheels making contact with the rail. The E-60’s were originally designed to go 100 mph. When going 50 mph plus. These locomotives had extreme lateral motion. At 100 mph it was scary.To the point of being worried that either the flanges on the wheels would fail and or the rail would spread or break. It didn’t take long for the Amtrak to lower the E-60’s to 80 mph maximum speed, and add shock absorbers to the trucks and frame. They did completely stop the lateral motion and had to be replaced regularly. The E-44 freight locomotives would sometimes develop lateral motion. The shock absorbers would be replaced regularly. Other than the E-60. I don’t recall any other locomotives having extreme lateral motion. If you would be using a switcher locomotive and have to go on the main line these locomotives would develop some lateral motion. Their maximum speed was 50 mph and it was rare that the switchers would be used on the mainline and most wouldn’t go 50 mph anyway. @@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 .
I was born on February 12, 2003, so this vid was filmed when I was 12 days old.
Makes me feel kinda old!!
Ryan’s Colorado Rail Productions I was born 11 days after you, and I would’ve been a day old when this video was taken.
Ryan’s Colorado Rail Productions I was born on July 31, 2003 so I didn’t even exist yet :/
MB_Rock03 I was born on December 28, 2005. :/
I heard E-Bell on 919 and 927. What year were the E-Bell's made for the locomotives.
MrSonicthehedgehog31 Ikr I had the same thing
2000
The Graham White 373 Electronic Solenoid Bell was developed in the mid 90s, and was first applied to AEM-7 #916 during it's rebuild into an AEM-7AC. 916 was released on 11/15/99.
I wish those Amfleets had the Acela livery instead of Phase 4.
Never knew the Acela's had no 'fins' or whatever you call them on the top like that at one point.
Frowny13 [Frowny Toboban]
Those are pantographs and they were in reverse form.
Joshua The Transit Prodigy Coley That's not what he meant
@@JoshuaTheTransitProdigy look at the top of both sides of the train
E60 603!!!!
I hope they will revive it and modified it to run along with new city sprinter locomotive
I miss the E60s and the HHP8s but one thing I'm a little puzzled about is the acela regional metroliner cars in the exact same paint scheme as the original acela?
Look up "Capstone Project" on Google...they were being refurbished and repainted as part of that project but once David Gunn took over he had the cars painted back into their current paint scheme.
When Acela didn't have it's roof fairings for some reason.
I just realized that set 4 (2001, 3200, 3507, 3508, 3300, 3519, 3401, 2003) wasn't in this video because it was accepted 3 months and 6 days after this was taken.
I like how some amfleet coaches use acela paint scheme on some of the coaches
Horizon Fleet cars on the Northeast corridor? I think they're all in the midwest now.
This was with the services all branded as Acela
2 years before I was born the last of the E60's we're replaced by the HHP-8
*603 amtrack is preserved at a railroad museam*
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I wish I can borrow that clip of Acela Express #2152! Other than that, beautiful catch and loving the E60! And missing the HHP-8!
Also, I'm pretty sure that that "92" is actually the Meteor #98. No?
I was a pretty meticulous note-taker back then. I was also cross-referencing a timetable from that year when I edited this video. I am pretty sure it's 92, although I guess anything is possible on those long distance trains, esp. when they get delayed down south somewhere.
Its definitely #92
Rip E60’s :(
6:26 Amtrak e60 carry’s new Amtrak cars
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You mean Phase 4 Amfleets?
Imagine Amtrak making phase V amfleets
@@robloxgamingrailfanner420 not rare enough but ok…
Wow, these tracks looks like they are in really bad condition. The trains are bumping up and down hard. Here in Western Europe this wouldn’t even be acceptable for sidings. The rolling stock is fantastic though.
I wonder what the E60 would look like in Phase IV
HHP-8's had EMD bells?
One or two did. The rest had the Acela type bell
Lemme guess..less busy stretch(es) now than then, no?
I would think it's still about the same....just less variety of motive power.
Sucks that i live in the NEC area but was to young to remember seeing one
2:30 Thats the same engine belongs to museum has a same number (603)
2:22 my favorite part
Probably mine too! This was the second time I ever saw one!
I miss the Acela Amtrak Cars.
Thier still around. But only for another year if avelia liberty does well
Xinless Vice that’s not what he meant. He means the Acela Regional repainted amfleets.
2021! That’s Are Year Now! 15:23
what ever happened to the amfleet livery at 12:17?
It was discontinued in the early 2000s...do a Google search for "Amtrak Capstone Project", that should give you a better explanation.
OK thanks!
Did anyone here notice a little bit of phase IVb with the modern amtrak logo?
slenderman7676 Rblx I did on a Hhp8
Phase IVb does not exist. The Phases that do exist are Phases I-VI, no a, b, c lettering at all. Phases seen in this video are III, IV, V, and VI. Proof: ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/77875232777326664/filePointer/77875232777326682/fodoid/77875232777326678/Amtrak%20Paint%20Scheme%20and%20Logo%20Guide%20web%2012-5-17.pdf
Matt Donnelly made this publicly available. He is very high up in Amtrak's marketing department.
@@amtrakinoscale9811 If you read the document you linked, you would see under Phase VI, a sentence reads "Often referred to as Phase IVb." And as the first 5 Chargers will have a new scheme, which will be called Phase VI, it's new name is Phase IVb.
@@AVeryRandomPerson Yeah that's not correct. It does say "often referred to as Phase IVb", but it does not say that Phase IVb is the correct term. The reason Phase IVb is even mentioned at all is because Matt Donnelly was simply being pragmatic. He understood that there were plenty of people out there that were ignorant to the correct and official name of Phase VI.
The new Charger paint scheme for the long distance Chargers is simply a variation of Phase VI. Matt has posted about this before, and if you look, you can find it.
I can understand that it's hard to give up terms you're used to using, but that's partially why the guide was created at all, to get railfans to stop using incorrect terminology.
Amtrak does not use a b c and so on for variations, or at all for that matter.
@@AVeryRandomPerson Who said you named paint schemes? Phase VI doesn’t become Phase IVb because you think it does. Phase VI stays as Phase VI, per Amtrak.
I would never think that a phase iii locomotive would pull phase 5 Amfleets
I think that's why this video has done so well...lots of old and new stuff mixed together.
90% of those abandoned buildings have been imploded and demolished same with most of Philly's hi-rise project buildings. The landscape of the City outside of downtown looks completely different than back in the 1990's.
Why weren’t the e60s repainted in phase IV or V before there were retired?
I'm sure they figured it was a waste of time since they were on their last legs.
@@lappdawg27videos I wish they could restore the e60 603
12:12 e-bells in 2003?
Yes. They were first used in 2000.
13:39 Acela amfleet cafe car
I didnt know tht e60 towing some acela regional cars
is there really even a point to the station? I mean really, how many people actually use that station on a daily basis? 15-20?
There wasn't a TON of people using it, but it wasn't a complete ghost town either. It really isn't in a great neighborhood either (at least from what I was told). I guess I'm lucky I went in the winter!
Why doesn't the Acela have ditch lights or those E60s
The ACELA does have them, in the first scene they are flashing...they are about the height of the point on the nose but back pretty far. The E60s didn't have them because there are no grade crossings between NY and Washington DC.
Capturing the Rails thanks never noticed the Acela ditchlights seems like they need to relocate them because they are very hard to see
2:20 no ditch lights?
E60s were exempt as they did not use any road crossings.
How many E60's are left and operational?
They are all retired so zero are operational. I know there is one on display at the RR Museum of PA.
Oh wow
Its the one at 2:32!!!!!
what type of camera did you film with?
It was a Sony CCD-TRV510
@@lappdawg27videos VHS c? I'd like to expand the amount of cameras I film my videos on.
@@trainsontape6531 It was a Digital8 camera.
Gave up on account of the lack of E60s....
2:30 shows the ONLY surviving Amtrak E60 #603 can't believe it and NJT #958 (Former Amtrak #958) are the only 2 survivors of the 26 E60's built
like train
Why were all the trains going so SLOW ??
A lot of the NEC trackage around Philly is pretty slow... lots of interlockings and it's just a busy area in general.
@@lappdawg27videos ohh now i get it
@@SCL6054Prouctions I actually just looked up the Amtrak timetable...there are curves north and south of the station that have 40MPH limits.
How is this the early 2000's? I distinctly saw an ACS-64... Number 654, beginning at 3:55...
That's an HHP-8
That's the orginal amtrak acela
E60 ooooooooooook but old
1970s-2000s