Love the shifter. It’s lighter, just like the clutch. People just don’t like change lol. Gotta own it to realize it’s way better and more livable as a daily.
My wife has the 2020 in grey, 4 door. Perfect commuting car, 30 miles each way in NC, all farm roads and it's a blast. The side view camera you push a button in on the end of the turn signal stalk.
This generation Si is very good. My wife had an ‘18 Si for about 6 months (until someone smacked her head on while she was waiting to turn left) and that car was brilliant for the money. We replaced it with a ‘19 Type R and the similarities between the two are closer than people probably would guess. Too much rev hang for sure! And you so nailed the security guard shirt materials😂😂😂😂
The 2017 Civic Si is THE BEST new car on the US market for the price. No other cars matches its combination of power, fuel economy styling, handling, infotainment system, etc. I am not saying it is perfect but it does everything really well!! Especially the parts car enthusiasts care about: Engine, transmission, suspension, etc. are all top-notch. As for its power/torque specs, Honda says 205hp/192tq BUT it is underrated big time! Various companies have dyno results of at least 201whp and 215wtq!!
Clemson Patriot ok ok, but have you seen the way it looks? those cheeze plaztic honeycomb vents iz just gunna collect dirt and look like even more shite..
Jay Smith The Civic lovers rice their cars anyways... this is perfect for those 18 year olds with the need for a sports car without the price tag of one.
And what do you own? There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your car. I think it is stupid what some people do to their trucks, cars, etc. but it is theirs, not mine! I am 23 with a M.S. in mechanical engineering and could easily buy a more expensive car if I wanted to but I wanted an Si because of all of its features that make it superior to other cars.
Flashpro gives 231whp and 258tq... just saying. Also 10th gen si dyno's in around 201WHP. Yes Honda underrated this new Si big time. Lol my 9th gen si made 174whp stock. Just putting it out there since so many people have no idea how much power these actually make and the potential.
@@Beezer6927 you're wrong a simple flash pro will not make you need a new clutch. It's a nice boost that puts the horse power where it should be stock. Not so much to slip the clutch tho
@@linkinparkdrift it also turns out that the 10th gens just have really weak clutches as well compared to prior Si's. That might be the cause of it. I'm sure once they're worn down more it would be more likely to slip sooner.
The rev hang isn't really that bad and is easily forgotten. However, Ktuner, Hondata, etc. all have tunes which eliminate the rev hang plus add 20-30whp and 30-50wtq as a bonus!!
They don't "invalidate" your warranty unless the manufacturer can prove that the tune directly caused the issue you're doing a warranty claim on. It doesn't "lower resale value" since you can flash it back to stock and not make any mention of it ever again. The hondata flash only affects the car in sport mode, so when you switch off sport mode it is back in its stock ecu configuration, so no loss of fuel economy outside of sport mode.
I have a ‘19 Si sedan. Love the shifter. And while the clutch took a day to get used to, now it is great. Most fun to drive car I have ever had. Now, if only I could get a Type R rear wing....
Wow you killing the Civic Si! Your first video is the first one that really went in. You also judge the shifter which was a shock because Honda normally make good shifter, but thanks for attention for detail.
Fantastic car, I bought the 4dr Si and added ktuner and I'm perfectly fine with it bone stock plus the +6 psi tune. Mine is used as a family car, 2 small kids and it's been great so far. Acuity makes some nice bits if you want to change your shifter feel.
I’ve only recently started following throttle house and I love these guys. I disagree on the shifting experience but appreciate your perspective. It is a great overall sporty fun car. I am definitely on the side that loves the look of the 10th generation over the baby beluga whale of the 11th. I’m sure as time goes on I’ll get used to it. I have a 2019 civic SI in White Pearl. I adore it. ;-)
I was very taken by your experience with the shifter. It is the exact opposite from what I experience day to day. I wonder if there was something wrong with your test car? Before my Si I was in a 2016 Civic LX (shifter sucked), 2015 Civic Si (shifter was awesome). I also owned a car with the best shifter in automotive history, the Honda S2000.
Just bought a 2020 Si sedan. I love it, great car. The only issue I have is heel toe downshifting. I have Giant size 13 feet and still can't figure out how to do it because the pedals are too far apart. Is it just me or is that an issue?
Love your content. You guys do excellent work and we definitely appreciate it. I didn't see any reviews of the Fiesta ST, and being that I own one and have been looking into the idea trading it for an si, I wonder what your opinion on the trade would be. Thanks for making the world a bit more entertaining.
Very interesting take on the gearbox. I have heard nothing but the typical praise for the preciseness of the gearbox and the quality of the feel. Not saying you're wrong, just interesting take.
Dane Redmond Honda gets plenty of praise for their gearbox. This guy is extremely nit picky. The car is built to be fun, practical, and affordable. Sounds like the reviewer wants the sturdiness of a German sports car. Maybe he should buy a Porsche and spend $25,000 more.
I've read countless reviews on the 17 and 17 SI and nobody bitches about the clutch and shifter like this guy....a couple mentioned the soft clutch but NOBODY complained about the shifter at all, most said great shifting, short throw ect......
i just hit 1,000 miles on my si do not judge this car until its broken in and you take the tach up to over 6k. also it makes a crazy amount of torque (for a 1.5 that doesn't even hold 4 qts of oil) you can drag 3rd gear from 13 mph (w/o bucking) up to 70 mph perfect for a twisty road. the only thing that fails to impress are the panel gaps.
You should be able to tune out that rev hang with an aftermarket tune. Its through the ecu. A lot of modern turbos do it, im thinking emmisions related but not sure. Ive tuned it out of all the turbo cars ive owned
I totally agree about the shifter and clutch, the shifter is super cheap, lose and sometimes it wont go into 1st gear. Clutch is nice for a beginner but once you get used to it, it is a little too light.
I left the Honda game in 2005 and so much has changed, I’m getting the blue si sedan tmrw. If I flash with hondata will the motor be able to handle it long term?? I’m looking at the +6 psi
Just flash the Si with a hondata flashpro or Ktuner and you'll have the power that the car should have come with. This is definitely the best car for your money. LSD standard and you won't find it on any other car for that price range.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. 100% agree with you on the rev hang. I hate it. I love the car and I love driving the standard transmission but the rev hang makes it a pain in the ass. I'm gonna get that disabled someday and I can't freaking wait. Other than the rev hang though, I love the car.
yeah it's pretty messed up that LED headlights aren't an option on the american Si even though they come on canadian Si, the touring models, and the type R
Got a blue 4 door Si back in May, agreed it should have a bit more HP but besides that the car is a dream to drive. After test driving the Type R its just not practical to drive daily in Upstate NY. Cant imagine that thing in the snow, besides needing to garage it 80% of the time. For its couple of faults the Si is an enjoyable daily driver with good stats all around. That being said if you are a die hard Honda / Si fan this ain't your classic civic. It's basically a new car with an Si badge so if you don't like change, don't get this Si.
@@daniel022209 you are wrong. Drive one. It will change ur mind. The suspension is really nice. The car doesn't rev as high as old ones but the power band is right there. It's no slouch. Ditching the vtec isn't as bad as you would think. I used to think that also.
1000% Agree on the Rev Hang topic. Honda has had that problem since the 8th Gen Si's. And it keeps getting worse every new model year. The Honda tuning company HonData has a ECU/Re-flash that eliminates it so only a matter of time if its not already available for the new Si's /Type R's but the price tag on those Re-Flash/ECU's is kinda high if your solely focused on the Rev Hang but if you plan to modify the engine more extensively then its worth every penny and makes a huge difference in vehicle dynamics and performance. And yes the clutch feel is way to light, almost feels like your just pushing air. I don't even think a different clutch set would even make the feel any heavier, I kinda like a stiff clutch pedal anyways, I daily a twin-disc so I am used to a really tough pressure plate engagement.
es the rev-hang is very bad but...at the same time, Over the months it's become less annoying... It's weird and I haven't tried this on other Si (or other cars yet), but Letting off throttle BEFORE clutch in (even a split second before), Makes the rev's drop faster. Granted It can only drop so fast with a dual mass flywheel (Looking forward for a change in a few years to a single mass), but the big thing is that Computer "hang" or delay before it stops dropping, disappears or is minimized. My guess is that since the rev hang is more of an emissions thing, having zero engine load on the engine with the clutch in, it doesn't shut the throttle valve so quickly to prevent pressure spikes in the crankase. By Going throttle off before clutch in, you trick the ECU into thinking you want a true close throttle, and there's still load on the engine while it's still connected, so it doesn't apply the rev-hang procedure The only real time I notice rev hang now, is WOT pulls, but I've never really been smooth in any car doing that, and If i'm driving that aggressively I would probably get a ECU tuner to make some stuff more driveable anyways. Again if you are serious about performance driving with this car, ECU tuners are the way to go. but as a fun commuter, that little trick really does make things a lot smoother.
Tuner company is not bound by EPA guidelines where as a car manufacturer is. Most cars run lean from the factory which means aftermarket companies can do some tweaking of fuel mapping to increase power, Take in point the new WRX simple tune increases throttle response, becomes more fuel efficient and more power. Same thing with ford with the ecoboost mustang with the mountune tunes, that do not void the warranty. Having an unlimited R&D Budget does nothing if you are bound by the restrictions of the EPA
2ZH its a fun commuter car. Get a lot for the price. But for the same price, or a little less, you can get a base vw gti or a base ford focus st. Depends what is most important to you
Gabriel Fuoco I think that's a fair point and I understand why to most it would make more sense. I do enjoy the coupe look more than the hot hatch. And if can tune it and get similar numbers as them, to me the civic is a winner in my book
2ZH I like both coupe and hatchbacks. Nothing wrong with this si I am considering one. Already test drove focus st and loved it. I'm gonna haveto test drive the si and gti before I make a decision
Gabriel Fuoco that makes sense too me, I like them all too. For me I grow up with a 94 civic coupe, and I drive a 97 Acura 3.0 cl now. And I used to work at a Honda dealer. So a lot of my roots are with the brand and 2 doors
I agree on the clutch. Too light. I like the shifter. Rev hang is bad. The worst feature of the car on my test drive was the turbo lag which I found unacceptable.
the proportions of the Si coming from the accord styling or even compared to the 4 door version looks way off.. the hood line is long enough it seems like a rear drive car with the back end missing off it
Luckily 2020 Si is the best of the 10th gen by far! LEDs, can see everything at night, and the wheels are much much better. All the upgrades have made it the most perfect Si yet! 36MPG with a 32 mile round trip to work, and morning drives are always spirited rushing to work lol best car I’ve driven other than a Type R. But Si blows it away with elegance and the MPG ;)
Hate that you can't get HID/ LED headlamps like the Elantra Sport. Huge ommision on a modern car. Really appreciate the mechanical LSD which most of its more expensive competition doesn't even offer as an option. If only the Honda looked half way mature in styling
I think ill stick with a 9th gen Si if i can find one.this one has eliminated VTEC for stupid reasons. Did anyone forget that Honda placed a turbocharged VTEC engine in the first generation Acura RDX? Talk to me people..
Test drove the Si as well. Couldn't agree with you more on that clutch pedal! How does it compare to the Type R? I couldn't find your review. Btw, the clutch master cylinder from the Type R fits the Si. It'll probably give it a stiffer pedal feel.
The Type R feels basically exactly like the SI except a decent amount better in every measurable way. My review will be coming out hopefully next week. Its on the track too, so it should be a fun watch.
Pars S . It's ridiculously way too soft. I drive a 2014 BRZ, it's nice and firm. I hope this is something they address in the future. As far as rev hang, lead engineer mentioned it had to do with emissions.
I timed your rolling start from 8km to 80km and got 6.04second. Not bad, I think my 6spd 2.0LX can do it in about 7sec. Might not be important for track guys, but in city, its where all the action happens.
I wish there was an automatic si.. though you can still flash the ones with the CVT to be faster than the si with like 220whp.. but from what i hear the CVT wouldn't be good to push past 260 or so, so there's less potential down the line.
The Accord Sport also had terrible rev hang. That kept me out of one. My 17 Camaro SS 6M drops revs immediately. You may have saved me from test driving this Si as badly as I want to.... Unless the Hondadata flash can kill the revhang. Otherwise, I'm thinking hard about a GTI S 6M. They're dealing on those here in NC.
I disagree about the engine. I found the combination of the rev-hang and boost lag to be a deal breaker. When I test drove it I had zero power below 3500rpm.
"I've never been one to care that much about what people think about me when driving a car." "I just drive the cars that I like." Exactly what a car lover means.
Why does a trim called "sport injected" have to have a sport button? Why wouldn't it be in "sport mode" all the time? Let the driver determine if he/she wants to drive 'economically'. This car should be in sport mode all the time. Looking at the 4door model myself against the acoord sport...in 3 pedal guise
I have a 2019 SI. The throttle is definitely quicker in sport mode. An advantage of taking it off sport mode is for daily drive on a rough road where the softer suspension setting gives a little more cushion on the ride.
It's great if you are tuned. You can have 2 different maps. Also the suspension stiffens with sport. If you are driving on bumpy bad roads it's good to turn off sport. It's a good thing. I drive in sport 80% of the time
If you don't heal-toe, which is completely useless outside of the racetrack, the rev-hang isn't so bad.. Also, there's aftermarket stuff to program the computer to get rid of it, it it's a big problem. If your racing off the light, you just have to switch a fraction of a sec early to compensate for the hang.
I dont even understand the above comment. As OP said its upshift not down. Literally 0 impact on downshift. Plus there is no way to get rid of it...thata why it sucks
lol rev hang it is called rev matching it is a feature purposely put in the car a lot of people like it cause it is better for racing which the SI is set up for
+The Meister no rev hang is when the revs take too long to fall between gears. Nothing to do with rev matching. You as a driver match the revs when you downshift by blipping the throttle.
lol you do not know shit E46 do your research it is a known fact that Honda has added what is called a rev matching feature so do your research before you speak! lmao call Honda they will tell you. it is a feautre they also have on the Honda Civic Type R
+The Meister I know. I've driven the type R as well. But sadly, you are wrong. "Rev hang" is the result of emissions programming to keep the throttle body open longer for a more complete burn. This causes the revs the "hang" between UP shifts. " auto Rev matching" is totally different. That's what Honda programmed into the type R to help people who don't know how to downshift. And no, the Si or the Type R are NOT for "racing" lol.
it is for shifting smother so you do not get jerking when changing gears I have been building these kind of cars for over 12 years be a man and admit when your wrong! like I said call Honda they will tell you and any true Honda fan will also tell you!
here is the link from Honda scroll down to the transmission and you will see the rev matching feature. lol hondanews.com/releases/a323beb5-01a9-4e6e-a267-0291e9ac1065
The interior is poorly designed back seat is nothing but just cushion and where they put the cup holder that is dumb and why would they put Hondalind watch back on it.. They should I just used a blindspot marner...
JL T I am a poor college student that doesn't want an Acura (more expensive and more expensive parts - won't be getting this civic si but I would get one in theory. I like lexus better for luxury anyways but that's just me
I get that, it just seems that the civic left so much off of the car...manual instead of automatic dual clutch, smallish 1.5L engine, cheeper wheels, down graded interior, etc... that comparing cost, the civic price should be much less if they can put so much into an Acura and... I really haven't accepted a small turbo engine will be a good replacement for larger 2.4L normally aspirated engines.
I'm glad you looked at the vblog comment. I think you mean why would someone pay $28k when they can buy the same car for $24K. The civic SI is drastically different from the ILX. The ILX has a much higher cost (8 speed-dual clutch) and some would say far superior transmission. Buyers need to look hard at the value of the interior and exterior upgrades on the ILX. But the most important point is the 2.4L engine in the ILX. The SI only has a 1.5L turbo that makes the same Horsepower. Why buy a down graded Honda with a smallish 1.5L engine that needs to be tubo-charged to make the same power as a very durable VTEC 2.4L naturally aspirated engine. Remember the ILX has paddle shifters so the manual on the SI is not an advantage. Just buy the ILX and ignore the Honda SI.
I'm glad more writers are exposing the clutch pedal feel in these cars. It's way too light and very vague. You cannot feel it grab at all. This was the deciding factor in why I didn't buy this car. It ruined the driving experience for me completely.
i love everything about my si no complaints at all, this is just what u dont like, to each their own, i literally stopped watching ur video when u started to complain about the shifter and clutch smh its good for daily not a race car
It's a whole different engine. Which everyone knows Honda really underrated for sake of the type r.. dude almost 30 more hp and torque from just a flash tune is actually pretty dam good. Not to mention the handling is a whole lot better in the X gen..
I heard someone say "the Si is the perfect daily driver that is ready for the track, the Type-R is the best track car for daily driving"
Mike Normandy agreed
First guy to diss the shifter out of dozens of reviews I've seen. I have the car. A+ shifter. Can't please everyone evidently
I agree. The Clutch though takes a little getting used to but it makes sense for day-to-day driving.
I agree I love the shifter just got a 2017 si coupe love the car
Love the shifter. It’s lighter, just like the clutch. People just don’t like change lol. Gotta own it to realize it’s way better and more livable as a daily.
He’s right. But swap it for the type r shifter ($50) and it’s a dream.
My wife has the 2020 in grey, 4 door. Perfect commuting car, 30 miles each way in NC, all farm roads and it's a blast. The side view camera you push a button in on the end of the turn signal stalk.
This generation Si is very good. My wife had an ‘18 Si for about 6 months (until someone smacked her head on while she was waiting to turn left) and that car was brilliant for the money. We replaced it with a ‘19 Type R and the similarities between the two are closer than people probably would guess. Too much rev hang for sure! And you so nailed the security guard shirt materials😂😂😂😂
The 2017 Civic Si is THE BEST new car on the US market for the price. No other cars matches its combination of power, fuel economy styling, handling, infotainment system, etc. I am not saying it is perfect but it does everything really well!! Especially the parts car enthusiasts care about: Engine, transmission, suspension, etc. are all top-notch.
As for its power/torque specs, Honda says 205hp/192tq BUT it is underrated big time! Various companies have dyno results of at least 201whp and 215wtq!!
Clemson Patriot ok ok, but have you seen the way it looks? those cheeze plaztic honeycomb vents iz just gunna collect dirt and look like even more shite..
Jay Smith The Civic lovers rice their cars anyways... this is perfect for those 18 year olds with the need for a sports car without the price tag of one.
I sure have! One has been sitting in my drive for the past two months! And the vents don't collect any more dirt than an other part of the car. Next?
And what do you own? There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your car. I think it is stupid what some people do to their trucks, cars, etc. but it is theirs, not mine!
I am 23 with a M.S. in mechanical engineering and could easily buy a more expensive car if I wanted to but I wanted an Si because of all of its features that make it superior to other cars.
It's not that great, but it's good you enjoy yours.
Flashpro gives 231whp and 258tq... just saying. Also 10th gen si dyno's in around 201WHP. Yes Honda underrated this new Si big time. Lol my 9th gen si made 174whp stock. Just putting it out there since so many people have no idea how much power these actually make and the potential.
MooseyQ and also means say goodbye to your factory clutch😂
@@Beezer6927 you're wrong a simple flash pro will not make you need a new clutch. It's a nice boost that puts the horse power where it should be stock. Not so much to slip the clutch tho
@Fiend Busa a basemap shouldn't require that. An extra 35hp is not enough to make you need a whole new clutch
@@b_nast19 You're right, the power numbers aren't making the clutch slip. It's the torque.
@@linkinparkdrift it also turns out that the 10th gens just have really weak clutches as well compared to prior Si's. That might be the cause of it. I'm sure once they're worn down more it would be more likely to slip sooner.
Throttle House has come a long way, so cool to see this review from 4 years ago.
The rev hang isn't really that bad and is easily forgotten. However, Ktuner, Hondata, etc. all have tunes which eliminate the rev hang plus add 20-30whp and 30-50wtq as a bonus!!
Agreed. I am just putting that out there as an option for those thinking the rev-hang might be a deal breaker.
They don't "invalidate" your warranty unless the manufacturer can prove that the tune directly caused the issue you're doing a warranty claim on.
It doesn't "lower resale value" since you can flash it back to stock and not make any mention of it ever again.
The hondata flash only affects the car in sport mode, so when you switch off sport mode it is back in its stock ecu configuration, so no loss of fuel economy outside of sport mode.
Clemson Patriot that Ktuner v2 adds over 50 lbs of torque
Does that extra power and torque degrade the reliability?
If you flash it you'll want to upgrade the clutch and flywheel though.
I have a ‘19 Si sedan. Love the shifter. And while the clutch took a day to get used to, now it is great. Most fun to drive car I have ever had. Now, if only I could get a Type R rear wing....
Wow you killing the Civic Si! Your first video is the first one that really went in. You also judge the shifter which was a shock because Honda normally make good shifter, but thanks for attention for detail.
Fantastic car, I bought the 4dr Si and added ktuner and I'm perfectly fine with it bone stock plus the +6 psi tune. Mine is used as a family car, 2 small kids and it's been great so far. Acuity makes some nice bits if you want to change your shifter feel.
Great attention to detail!
What a great shifter and easy clutch
I’ve only recently started following throttle house and I love these guys. I disagree on the shifting experience but appreciate your perspective. It is a great overall sporty fun car. I am definitely on the side that loves the look of the 10th generation over the baby beluga whale of the 11th. I’m sure as time goes on I’ll get used to it. I have a 2019 civic SI in White Pearl. I adore it. ;-)
I was very taken by your experience with the shifter. It is the exact opposite from what I experience day to day. I wonder if there was something wrong with your test car? Before my Si I was in a 2016 Civic LX (shifter sucked), 2015 Civic Si (shifter was awesome). I also owned a car with the best shifter in automotive history, the Honda S2000.
Great point on the performance gap between the SI and Type R VS the base hatch and SI
Just bought a 2020 Si sedan. I love it, great car. The only issue I have is heel toe downshifting. I have Giant size 13 feet and still can't figure out how to do it because the pedals are too far apart. Is it just me or is that an issue?
Love your content. You guys do excellent work and we definitely appreciate it. I didn't see any reviews of the Fiesta ST, and being that I own one and have been looking into the idea trading it for an si, I wonder what your opinion on the trade would be.
Thanks for making the world a bit more entertaining.
Very interesting take on the gearbox. I have heard nothing but the typical praise for the preciseness of the gearbox and the quality of the feel. Not saying you're wrong, just interesting take.
+Dane Redmond to be clear it’s not the transmission itself that I don’t like. Just the linkage
Dane Redmond Honda gets plenty of praise for their gearbox. This guy is extremely nit picky. The car is built to be fun, practical, and affordable. Sounds like the reviewer wants the sturdiness of a German sports car. Maybe he should buy a Porsche and spend $25,000 more.
I've read countless reviews on the 17 and 17 SI and nobody bitches about the clutch and shifter like this guy....a couple mentioned the soft clutch but NOBODY complained about the shifter at all, most said great shifting, short throw ect......
Excellent reveiw
The blind spot cam button should be on the flasher stick plus if you want 230hp just buy a Honda tea flashpro and bam
The button for the blind spot camera is on the end of the turn signal stalk.
i just hit 1,000 miles on my si do not judge this car until its broken in and you take the tach up to over 6k. also it makes a crazy amount of torque (for a 1.5 that doesn't even hold 4 qts of oil) you can drag 3rd gear from 13 mph (w/o bucking) up to 70 mph perfect for a twisty road. the only thing that fails to impress are the panel gaps.
I put a type r shifter in mine with a weighted knob. Omg it fixed it!!!
You should be able to tune out that rev hang with an aftermarket tune. Its through the ecu. A lot of modern turbos do it, im thinking emmisions related but not sure. Ive tuned it out of all the turbo cars ive owned
I totally agree about the shifter and clutch, the shifter is super cheap, lose and sometimes it wont go into 1st gear. Clutch is nice for a beginner but once you get used to it, it is a little too light.
I left the Honda game in 2005 and so much has changed, I’m getting the blue si sedan tmrw. If I flash with hondata will the motor be able to handle it long term?? I’m looking at the +6 psi
2019 Sports sedan is about to be released. Hope you get your hand one and get your take on it vs Si.
This presenter is good, imagine if he had a cheeky little British co-host? Skys the limit then.
I do agree with the shift feel, ie rev hang and cheap feel.
For the record "lane watch" camera is not "blind spot" camera. Good review, thank you!
Just flash the Si with a hondata flashpro or Ktuner and you'll have the power that the car should have come with. This is definitely the best car for your money. LSD standard and you won't find it on any other car for that price range.
How much horsepower and torque gains?
Will the clutch slip with a stage 1 Flash Pro??
Motorcityman Man yes but you’ll be fine with base tune.
The car is estimated to make around 220ish at the crank. Honda rated it conservatively at 205 at the wheels
@@zatharos6427
I heard that too.
Still good. Still good.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. 100% agree with you on the rev hang. I hate it. I love the car and I love driving the standard transmission but the rev hang makes it a pain in the ass. I'm gonna get that disabled someday and I can't freaking wait. Other than the rev hang though, I love the car.
Canada gets the fancy LED headlights when the US-spec gets the crappy halogens. Maybe next model year.
yeah it's pretty messed up that LED headlights aren't an option on the american Si even though they come on canadian Si, the touring models, and the type R
Navi are also standards in canada. 😂
Anna Jane Dumapias That's nice. No LED headlights for 2018 US model year either. Maybe 2019... Maybe.
holybatfart unbelievable! I didn't know this fuk! Canada!
@@holybatfart nope just purchased the 19 coupe. Still no LED lights.
What's the ¼ mile time for a stock 2017/2018 Civic si
Definitely better looking than the type R.
Got a blue 4 door Si back in May, agreed it should have a bit more HP but besides that the car is a dream to drive. After test driving the Type R its just not practical to drive daily in Upstate NY. Cant imagine that thing in the snow, besides needing to garage it 80% of the time. For its couple of faults the Si is an enjoyable daily driver with good stats all around. That being said if you are a die hard Honda / Si fan this ain't your classic civic. It's basically a new car with an Si badge so if you don't like change, don't get this Si.
Jared Myers without VTEC, its basically a new Hatchback Civic with Si badging and tuning.
@@daniel022209 you are wrong. Drive one. It will change ur mind. The suspension is really nice. The car doesn't rev as high as old ones but the power band is right there. It's no slouch. Ditching the vtec isn't as bad as you would think. I used to think that also.
So the question is... Civic si or fiesta st?
coming to austria too?
civic si, focus st, fiesta st, or gti? why?
1000% Agree on the Rev Hang topic. Honda has had that problem since the 8th Gen Si's. And it keeps getting worse every new model year. The Honda tuning company HonData has a ECU/Re-flash that eliminates it so only a matter of time if its not already available for the new Si's /Type R's but the price tag on those Re-Flash/ECU's is kinda high if your solely focused on the Rev Hang but if you plan to modify the engine more extensively then its worth every penny and makes a huge difference in vehicle dynamics and performance. And yes the clutch feel is way to light, almost feels like your just pushing air. I don't even think a different clutch set would even make the feel any heavier, I kinda like a stiff clutch pedal anyways, I daily a twin-disc so I am used to a really tough pressure plate engagement.
es the rev-hang is very bad but...at the same time, Over the months it's become less annoying...
It's weird and I haven't tried this on other Si (or other cars yet), but Letting off throttle BEFORE clutch in (even a split second before), Makes the rev's drop faster. Granted It can only drop so fast with a dual mass flywheel (Looking forward for a change in a few years to a single mass), but the big thing is that Computer "hang" or delay before it stops dropping, disappears or is minimized.
My guess is that since the rev hang is more of an emissions thing, having zero engine load on the engine with the clutch in, it doesn't shut the throttle valve so quickly to prevent pressure spikes in the crankase. By Going throttle off before clutch in, you trick the ECU into thinking you want a true close throttle, and there's still load on the engine while it's still connected, so it doesn't apply the rev-hang procedure
The only real time I notice rev hang now, is WOT pulls, but I've never really been smooth in any car doing that, and If i'm driving that aggressively I would probably get a ECU tuner to make some stuff more driveable anyways.
Again if you are serious about performance driving with this car, ECU tuners are the way to go. but as a fun commuter, that little trick really does make things a lot smoother.
I really feel hondata will solve everyone's complaint on power , cheap enough for what you pay and gives it enough power to make it more fun
Tuner company is not bound by EPA guidelines where as a car manufacturer is. Most cars run lean from the factory which means aftermarket companies can do some tweaking of fuel mapping to increase power, Take in point the new WRX simple tune increases throttle response, becomes more fuel efficient and more power. Same thing with ford with the ecoboost mustang with the mountune tunes, that do not void the warranty. Having an unlimited R&D Budget does nothing if you are bound by the restrictions of the EPA
2ZH its a fun commuter car. Get a lot for the price. But for the same price, or a little less, you can get a base vw gti or a base ford focus st. Depends what is most important to you
Gabriel Fuoco I think that's a fair point and I understand why to most it would make more sense. I do enjoy the coupe look more than the hot hatch. And if can tune it and get similar numbers as them, to me the civic is a winner in my book
2ZH I like both coupe and hatchbacks. Nothing wrong with this si I am considering one. Already test drove focus st and loved it. I'm gonna haveto test drive the si and gti before I make a decision
Gabriel Fuoco that makes sense too me, I like them all too. For me I grow up with a 94 civic coupe, and I drive a 97 Acura 3.0 cl now. And I used to work at a Honda dealer. So a lot of my roots are with the brand and 2 doors
Honda makes the clutch light so you don't get fatigued in day-to-day driving.
Den V. Try a stage clutch
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Did you find the lane watch? It's on the indicator stalk.
Interesting comments about the shifter, thanks for that.
Why do they offer the 2 litter in base model lx and only have the 1.5 for the si?
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The 2 liter is NA.. the 1.5 is turbo..
The button is on the left stock
I agree on the clutch. Too light. I like the shifter. Rev hang is bad. The worst feature of the car on my test drive was the turbo lag which I found unacceptable.
Sergio Aguirre also this guy is experiencing turbo lag on a 1.5t lmao. He doesn't know sjit
Very little Turbo lag on my 18 SI.
Ever sit in heavy traffic with heavy clutch for a long period of time? It's not fun.
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the proportions of the Si coming from the accord styling or even compared to the 4 door version looks way off.. the hood line is long enough it seems like a rear drive car with the back end missing off it
You should drive a Porsche...heavy clutch and cable linked shifter.....
Luckily 2020 Si is the best of the 10th gen by far! LEDs, can see everything at night, and the wheels are much much better. All the upgrades have made it the most perfect Si yet! 36MPG with a 32 mile round trip to work, and morning drives are always spirited rushing to work lol best car I’ve driven other than a Type R. But Si blows it away with elegance and the MPG ;)
still waiting for that 330i engine review.....how it compares to the 325 and how much the swap cost you (if it's not a secret)?
+Dexon yep. Should be coming soon. I'll be saving some vlogs like that to keep you folks entertained over the winter.
Hate that you can't get HID/ LED headlamps like the Elantra Sport. Huge ommision on a modern car. Really appreciate the mechanical LSD which most of its more expensive competition doesn't even offer as an option. If only the Honda looked half way mature in styling
The 2017 Civic Si comes standard with the LED headlights....
Not in the US...
The shifter isn’t gated
I think ill stick with a 9th gen Si if i can find one.this one has eliminated VTEC for stupid reasons. Did anyone forget that Honda placed a turbocharged VTEC engine in the first generation Acura RDX? Talk to me people..
Will hondata ruin your warranty
is this in canada? cuz the si in the states doesnt led lights
marc07112 yes, Canadian Si. Love them on my Aegean Blue Si sedan
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Test drove the Si as well. Couldn't agree with you more on that clutch pedal! How does it compare to the Type R? I couldn't find your review. Btw, the clutch master cylinder from the Type R fits the Si. It'll probably give it a stiffer pedal feel.
The Type R feels basically exactly like the SI except a decent amount better in every measurable way. My review will be coming out hopefully next week. Its on the track too, so it should be a fun watch.
I'll do 4hrs non-stop in Toronto's Downtown traffic on a daily basis, I prefer the light clutch. I don't want my left leg to be like schwartzenegger..
Pars S . It's ridiculously way too soft. I drive a 2014 BRZ, it's nice and firm. I hope this is something they address in the future. As far as rev hang, lead engineer mentioned it had to do with emissions.
Pars S, I agree. I do a lot of in town stop and go driving and I love the clutch in this car.
So Canada Si gets led headlights?
and nav
And turbo livery
Instead of a "Load Guage" and other crap a "Oil Temp Guage" and/or "Oil Pressure Guage" would be nice and a "Trans Temp Guage".
who hasa netter shifter?
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I timed your rolling start from 8km to 80km and got 6.04second. Not bad, I think my 6spd 2.0LX can do it in about 7sec. Might not be important for track guys, but in city, its where all the action happens.
It worth 6 thousands more for the HFP version?
Nope
I wish there was an automatic si.. though you can still flash the ones with the CVT to be faster than the si with like 220whp.. but from what i hear the CVT wouldn't be good to push past 260 or so, so there's less potential down the line.
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Not to mention the 1.5t in the Si has lower compression.. ppl keep assuming it's the exact same engine, but it's really not..
Can u explain why this SI got Led headlights and when i look online all of them got halogen headlights ?
Nick Name, this is Canadian Version. They also get embedded Navigation.
The Accord Sport also had terrible rev hang. That kept me out of one. My 17 Camaro SS 6M drops revs immediately. You may have saved me from test driving this Si as badly as I want to.... Unless the Hondadata flash can kill the revhang. Otherwise, I'm thinking hard about a GTI S 6M. They're dealing on those here in NC.
If it was 210hp I be ok with it
Sub-200 torque is considered good? They added a turbo and 20psi to get that?
+Cababah you're right it's not that much. But it's available really down low in the rev range.
Cababah and it's light
E46 Reviews with T.H. I get that...just seems like Honda held back a little too much with the Si powertrain. *shrug*
Cababah they could have bumped up the power to 230 hp and 215 torque lol well atleast hondata is out there
Cababah got the flashpro for 17' si... added the +9 psi tune... now have 231whp and 272 tq. Problem solved with just a tune
based on your comments who hasa better shifter
+jay czyzyk i actually don't mind the new Mazda shifters. But if we are taking any car, then Miata. The Mx5 is one of the best. And the S2000
E46 Reviews with T.H. I've driven the mx5 it's red civic is a fwd big difference in setup
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I disagree about the engine. I found the combination of the rev-hang and boost lag to be a deal breaker. When I test drove it I had zero power below 3500rpm.
Learn how to drive, no boost lag on my 18 SI and PLENTY of torque BEFORE 3,500rpms.
"I've never been one to care that much about what people think about me when driving a car." "I just drive the cars that I like." Exactly what a car lover means.
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Thats me having fun i dont like the shifter i dont like the clutch but i will be really happy to auto cross it ,, what really man
Shifts are crisp but bounces????? Wtf lmao
Why does a trim called "sport injected" have to have a sport button? Why wouldn't it be in "sport mode" all the time? Let the driver determine if he/she wants to drive 'economically'. This car should be in sport mode all the time. Looking at the 4door model myself against the acoord sport...in 3 pedal guise
Maybe u dont want sport mode if you're just cruising to work on the freeway.
@Konos44
It's not huge difference but the throttle response feels quicker to me in Sport Mode on my 18 SI.
I have a 2019 SI. The throttle is definitely quicker in sport mode. An advantage of taking it off sport mode is for daily drive on a rough road where the softer suspension setting gives a little more cushion on the ride.
It's great if you are tuned. You can have 2 different maps. Also the suspension stiffens with sport. If you are driving on bumpy bad roads it's good to turn off sport. It's a good thing. I drive in sport 80% of the time
if only the rev hang didnt wreck the driving experience
If you don't heal-toe, which is completely useless outside of the racetrack, the rev-hang isn't so bad.. Also, there's aftermarket stuff to program the computer to get rid of it, it it's a big problem. If your racing off the light, you just have to switch a fraction of a sec early to compensate for the hang.
Rev hang is annoying on UP shifts not downshifts
I dont even understand the above comment. As OP said its upshift not down. Literally 0 impact on downshift. Plus there is no way to get rid of it...thata why it sucks
he is saying if you got a ECU tune you could program the rev hang out. Honda made it rev hang to improve emissions so prolly blame Cali fer that =P
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lol rev hang it is called rev matching it is a feature purposely put in the car a lot of people like it cause it is better for racing which the SI is set up for
+The Meister no rev hang is when the revs take too long to fall between gears. Nothing to do with rev matching. You as a driver match the revs when you downshift by blipping the throttle.
lol you do not know shit E46 do your research it is a known fact that Honda has added what is called a rev matching feature so do your research before you speak! lmao call Honda they will tell you. it is a feautre they also have on the Honda Civic Type R
+The Meister I know. I've driven the type R as well. But sadly, you are wrong. "Rev hang" is the result of emissions programming to keep the throttle body open longer for a more complete burn. This causes the revs the "hang" between UP shifts. " auto Rev matching" is totally different. That's what Honda programmed into the type R to help people who don't know how to downshift. And no, the Si or the Type R are NOT for "racing" lol.
it is for shifting smother so you do not get jerking when changing gears I have been building these kind of cars for over 12 years be a man and admit when your wrong! like I said call Honda they will tell you and any true Honda fan will also tell you!
here is the link from Honda scroll down to the transmission and you will see the rev matching feature. lol
hondanews.com/releases/a323beb5-01a9-4e6e-a267-0291e9ac1065
The interior is poorly designed back seat is nothing but just cushion and where they put the cup holder that is dumb and why would they put Hondalind watch back on it.. They should I just used a blindspot marner...
No vtec???? nahhhh!!!!
When I look at the 2017 Acura ilx 2.4, 201 hp at $28,000 base model, I don't get why someone would pay $24,000, base model, for an civic si???
JL T I am a poor college student that doesn't want an Acura (more expensive and more expensive parts - won't be getting this civic si but I would get one in theory. I like lexus better for luxury anyways but that's just me
I get that, it just seems that the civic left so much off of the car...manual instead of automatic dual clutch, smallish 1.5L engine, cheeper wheels, down graded interior, etc... that comparing cost, the civic price should be much less if they can put so much into an Acura and... I really haven't accepted a small turbo engine will be a good replacement for larger 2.4L normally aspirated engines.
I'm glad you looked at the vblog comment. I think you mean why would someone pay $28k when they can buy the same car for $24K. The civic SI is drastically different from the ILX. The ILX has a much higher cost (8 speed-dual clutch) and some would say far superior transmission. Buyers need to look hard at the value of the interior and exterior upgrades on the ILX. But the most important point is the 2.4L engine in the ILX. The SI only has a 1.5L turbo that makes the same Horsepower. Why buy a down graded Honda with a smallish 1.5L engine that needs to be tubo-charged to make the same power as a very durable VTEC 2.4L naturally aspirated engine. Remember the ILX has paddle shifters so the manual on the SI is not an advantage. Just buy the ILX and ignore the Honda SI.
Who wouldn't want to pay an extra 4k to get a slower, bland styling, less responsive car with worse gas mileage? Beats me.
I'm glad more writers are exposing the clutch pedal feel in these cars. It's way too light and very vague. You cannot feel it grab at all. This was the deciding factor in why I didn't buy this car. It ruined the driving experience for me completely.
i love everything about my si no complaints at all, this is just what u dont like, to each their own, i literally stopped watching ur video when u started to complain about the shifter and clutch smh its good for daily not a race car
The shifter feels like a toy 🧸
No vtech just like a regular civic
hes just smashing on
the techs and specs.annoying...
orangefirepearl FK8 fck him if he don’t like the shifter
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It's a shame that it's such an ugly looking car.
They increased the price of this car by $2,000 and nothing has changed, in fact the previous gen is way better!
You nothing about cars if you think nothing has changed
It's a whole different engine. Which everyone knows Honda really underrated for sake of the type r.. dude almost 30 more hp and torque from just a flash tune is actually pretty dam good. Not to mention the handling is a whole lot better in the X gen..