94% of Players Are Abusing This 'META' Set... Here's Why It's a Huge Problem & How to Fix It
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- What is going on guys! In this video we go over why Rallying Cry is one of the most Broken set in the game, and why it is so problematic in ESO currently. Ill be doing other videos going over the tank meta, hot takes about mythic items, and just a whole slue of balance topics that i think have gone overlooked since the talk about Performance/Dev Discussions
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I've literally never heard anyone complain about that set.
The actual problem that needs to be addressed is cross healing.
Im.doing videos on all of this stuff don't worry bro we will get to it
Couldnt agree more. Group heals over time like vigor and regen should refresh not stack with multiple casts.
Its the biggest problem with pvp. Aoe heals can stack but then at least the group isnt so mobile so that siege and ultimates becomes effective.
@@andyd8434 100% agree. nothing is more frustrating than dropping someones hp to execute range only for their health to pop up to full in a second.
exactly... but creat content out of a dead game is hard... gotta shoot everywhere
There is a problem here though. Incoming damage from multiple sources and players stacks. Heals are the counter to damage, so healing from multiple sources should stack too. Unless we also only allow dots to refresh and not stack, hots and dots should function similarly. Itâs a hard problem to fix, though I donât personally think itâs a huge issue, I think they could allow maybe up to 3 stacks from each hot so that multiple heals still have value but you donât end up with 12 regens and 7 vigors on you.
I can say with all honesty I don't feel anywhere near as tanky in rallying cry as I do in pariah or Mara's. The only builds really running high crit are NB and they hit so insanely hard that even rallying does fuck all I still get hit with 18k bows. And 7-8k suprise attacks.
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This is facts. I run mostly NB and there is no counter to a HA, Incap, Spectral combo if your fighting outnumbered you are big fucked.
Rallying Cry is fine lmao. Stop trying to find things to complain about. Itâs a direct counter to crit builds, which means balance. Doesnât need a nerf in one bit imo. Also not running RC doesnât gimp you as much as you think it would even if youâre the sweatiest of sweats
Not finding anything to complain about actually, just a problem area I see in the game it's far too stat dense of a set to be in the game when you compare it to other sets like it. I'm not saying it's a must have to survive, but what I am saying is with the crit resistance trait on gear being nerfed a long time ago and the cp slotable giving only 10% critical mitigation you can see how this is a problem as every other source of crit resistance is lackluster value where as rallying cry provides more than your character buff, giving you 120% more which in my opinion is the definition of overtuned
Bro nah they just Nerf transmutation ; for ppl go for rally; cause old transmutation was way more stronger then rally; cause gives you the same value but give you 2 lines mag sustain so you can go full dmg ; with rally cry gives 2 lines crit but that is not a big deal; Helps yes ofc but old transmutation was way more stronger
@@send_you2_spawn they did nerf transmutation a few patches before they brought our rallying cry which I found was odd because the buff was 20 seconds and gave I believe 1600-1800 crit resistance i dont remember exactly. Regardless this is an area of the PvP that needs to be looked at that is swept under the rug
@@TheRealGodzilla yes but they Nerf it cause they know soon will bring rally cry ; i think rally cry is not a problem is a good set allow players to go for other traits but thats it ; i think stackin dmg mitigation is more stronger then rally cry but yes is One of the best sets or the best set rally ; but is balanced is not a gamebreaking
@@send_you2_spawn No because pure damage mitigation is multiplicative where crit resist is additive. the "2640 to 2706 percent of crit resist" is as powerful as the "1320 to 1386" one. It is gamebreaking because it makes all other sets bad. For a better idea, compare Rallying Cry with Hunding's Rage.
My guy I am still hitting 13-17k crit leaps vs Rallying Cry users with my Orc DK. I have a screenshot of a 21k crit leap last patch on my Imperial DK (this person let their armor buff down). I don't even run crit damage modifiers on DK. Is it possible that crit damage being that easy to get (on a class with no crit damage modifiers passively and no minor force) is an obvious reason for the existence of Rallying Cry in it's current state? Lets consider Ice staff wielding Wardens as well. Do we need to go in depth on those? Easy stacking crit damage with major and minor berserk, more crit damage passives, major and minor breach, and an easy "clever" proc with master's perfected ice. Moving into NB, where most run night mother's front and get easy major breach, either minor breach on surprise attack or 10% more damage on Concealed Weapon, 10% crit damage passively, easily stacking major and minor Savagery with passives and camo hunter, which also gives minor berserk on flanked crit damage, stack with major courage and berserk from coil, and a burst heal that gives minor mending. Meanwhile you have templars relegated to range to be meta, sorcs need to be Stam/hybrid specs to be a real threat, and most necros are stuck with bombing. Medium armor passives and cp slottables also play a pretty important role in crit damage modifications.
Objectively, the power creep award goes to NB and Warden. DKs have been recently nerfed but they are still very strong. One small change could make shield stacking sorcs more viable, and buffing jabs/sweeps would help melee plar become viable again.
Now I understand you want to relegate the discussion to back bar sets only and compare Rallying vs every other set. But... That's not actually possible. When you look at half of the classes, Rally back is just icing on the cake. When you look at sorc and plar, you need more burst or utility than what you get from Rally. The general set up for a Necro bomber is convergence and plague or VD. Rallying is just one set, not the sum total of what makes or breaks a build. Before that we all used other sets, and we all killed and we all died. Rally comes along and we all kill and we all die. We all have access to the same sets. We all have the ability to stack a character sheet and make any class look broken. It's easy. Does it actually work tho? No, and Rallying Cry is not always the answer.
The biggest problems for pvp are server performance and class balance. Let's not derail the community from keeping that goal at the forefront.
You should do a pvp gear ranking video like skinny cheeks does for PVE. Show the different setups and where they rank. It would help folks get started in pvp. For me personally, pvp always seems like itâs a secret that nobody wants to share. So, as a result, I donât play it. If there were clear cut instructions that showed me how to set myself up, Iâd give it a go. Seriously, I bet if you made that video, it would get 50,000 views.
I'll try it good idea!
@@TheRealGodzilla hell yeah
Felix join a pvp based guild and run in a raid, most will help you get started and help with gear, etc.
@@promoplus100 Iâve only got 5 guild slots. If you know a good discord, send me a link
@@felixthefearless1886 I play EP only in Gray, so depending on the faction you are in. My main pvp guild only raids on EP. We play main raid 4 nights per week, I play every night on my NB
Anytime you have a set that almost everyone wears with almost every build, that says the set is obviously over tuned. Anyone not willing to admit that is being intentionally irrational.
Recent Example: Oakensoul
Preach
Everyone and their mother said the old Oakensoul was a way too overtuned.
And RC is seen rarely these days on PS5 at least.
@@canisinumbra Everyone said that, but everyone ran it. We now simply have the case of everyone running RC but no one speaking about it. Idk what PS5 pvp looks like but on PC NA itâs use is extremely widespread and has been for too long. Comparing its stat density with any other set, like was done in the video, is evidence enough the set is over tuned
@Xavier Ruiz As said, almost no one runs it here. You can see the proc. The simple reason is: people are grouped, opposite of what they claim. And by grouped I donât mean 2-3 people.
If it just fitted 1 specific class like for example olorime does with templar, it would be fine, the problem really is that it's best in slot on every build rn which almost makes it a must have, if you don't run it (like me), you will have a tough time. There are sets that are strong on every class like alchemist, but it isnt overtuned since it has an exceptionally long downtime and doesn't really give any defensive value. RC on the other hand has no downtime, defensive and offensive value at the same time (not alternating like ancient dragonguard, pretty nice set IMO although 300 wd is pretty low), is pretty cheap to buy even in purple quality and even gives group benefits. IDK if the buff stacks on itself when multiple group members wear it, but 255 WD and 20% crit mitigation is pretty damn nice to get for free, on my Necro where I don't run RC, I can hit close to 8k WD and 15k pen without Balorgh if just one mate runs RC which is just ridiculous, an olorime templar would buff this to insanity in a coordinated group, everyone would run around with about 1000 wd more than usual just from 1 RC, 1 Olorime and 1 DK (700 extra wd at base and you add your minor and major brutality, there you have your 30% buff on top), you will get that scenario pretty often
It's only nightblades that feel rally cry is overpowered. No one runs rally cry because of dot dks, stam sorcs, necros or wardens. They run it because of the increased volume of khajit nbs in pvp. No other class is hitting close to 20k bows. There is a direct correlation between the two. I can bet that if crit damage nightblades receive a nerf, there will be a decrease in rally cry. With khajit nightblades/gankers being the biggest threat to 1vx'ing, it's a no-brainer that people are incorporating rally cry to every possible build. Nerf nightblades, and you will start to see more back bar set diversity.
I run trickery on my Dk, maras balm on my warden and RC on my stamblade and i feel like those are all the best picks for those classes
I personally think if sources of crit resist weren't so rare, it wouldn't be so valuable. Like if we ever had critical resistance mundus (with a small modifier) would make rallying feel less special. In my opinion. And that would be a decent trade off because a lot of people would lose potential damage from no pen or damage mundus stone in exchange for a different source of tankiness, (via crit resist)
I can see that too! It sounds interesting but I think reverting back the change of impen trait and making red cp slotable more enticing would lower rallying cry value even if crit resistance stayed the same the damage HAS to be lowered its 2 sets in 1 and I'll say that til I'm blue in the face. No reason you should have powerful assault and transmutation all be able to be ran on back bar
The fact that such mundus stone doesn't exist yet has always been mind blowing to me.
However, what value to set it to so that it doesn't become BiS ?
Problem with crit resist isn't really just tankiness though, it's burst protection.
@@StocKatalysT it would be hard to find that sweet spot honestly I'd say 1200 is a decent number isn't the mundus warrior like 258 seems like a reasonable number
I think a 3rd option could be to add a negative effect to these kind of sets kinda like they did with draughr by adding the reduced healing line
In a group it's garbage solo it works great as intended its nightblades that are broken right now
I was actually talking to my pvp guilds discord about this and how much crit damage you would need over the cap if someone is running RC. Iâve been using orders wrath/pb/1pc slimecraw and oaken and itâs been shredding through that crit resistance with the shadow mundus.
What you are saying is someone just running Rallying Cry doesn't match your crit focused build. I'd be outraged if one "back-bar able" set matched a whole build while giving you damage. However, for example, a non focused crit build breton templar runs at 10% crit damage (class passive, so 60% overall), which leaves you (or rather me) with 15% crit damage. Let's say jabs are at 5k tooltip (which is already pretty high), you take 45% of that before adding armor and resistance skills/CP.
How hard do these jabs need to hit to kill someone with a sword and shield and an overpowered dragon blood without crits ?
@@StocKatalysT bro the dmg is not just like that ; you play wrong ESO ; or at least you play a diferent game ; i Will explain you ez
First you have crit dmg and crit resistance ; if you have like 125% crit dmg on cap and is ez to get that ; and your spectral bow TT is lets Say 40 k ; on PvP you only do 20 k dmg cause all the skills do less 50% dmg ; so on that 20 k dmg you have dmg mitigation cp more stage vamp 3 more Armor lets Say you do a 8/9 k spectrall bow non crit but if that crits Will be a 20 k bow cause you are in the cap 125 % crit dmg but you have rally cry so the spectral bow only deals 18k + dmg ; tell me or explain me how you still Say rally cry is a "broken" set ? 18 k dmg on a single target rally cry dont do nothing ; and lets Say if you get hit by the full Blade combo and rally cry still dont do shit for you ; i really dont get it ; rally cry is a very good set yes but is far away from the broken list sets
IMO crit and crit damage is just the way to go with any build. No one really runs enough crit resist. I focus into crit on my necro S2W bomber, and my destro DK bomber, and they both clear porches real easily. Think RC is broken and overpowered? Build into crit and youâll see itâs not that great. The only reason I use it is when Iâm in a ball group and because it stacks with other members using RC.
crit damage over the cap?
Yeah, Iâve had to go slimecraw full moraâs whisper orders wrath shadow mundus with RC on a khajiit.
so not that im a meta player or naything but...as a new-ish player can i get that DK tank pvp build you were talkin about? :) I do prefer playing DK but idk what to use in PvP.
Never had a problem with Rallying Cry if I'm being honest. Sorc pet builds where all they do is heavy attack and let their zoo do the work is a problem. Especially in BGs and that's before they're hitting you for 8k+ light attacks in overload while you're wearing Rallying Cry.
Great video your comment section wonât agree because this is the best and most stat dense stat based set ever introduced into the game. Most wearing it so donât want it nerfed lol. Gonna be my dark convergence comment section all over again lol
A set can have anything, but if it's only affective against certain players (crit builds) and totally unnaffective against others (non crit builds) its not overpowered, because you can totally and easily bypass the entire reason someone wears it..... and that's not opinion, that's the reality of it.
@@cameronbachman8161 you do realize everyone has 50% critical damage on their base character sheet? as i explained in the video. If running rallying cry with NO Added Critical Damage, your burst drops from 30%(because we have to take into account the 20% crit resistance already on the target) from 30% to 5% scaling just from rallying cry proc, and dont tell me crits don't matter I've seen plenty of 'non crit builds' still get value from crit. This is talking about bare bone no passives.... Now Let talk about class passives? Templar They get free critical damage from their passive 10%, warden has 4% crit damage per animal companion, nightblade does has 10% critical damage, the only classes who dont have critical damage is dk, necro, sorcerer. So already half the cast does take some effect to their critical damage. Now we can get into medium armor that has 2% critical damage done per piece, if you are stamina based you lose a lot of burst without crits. That's now negated extremely easy by rallying cry. What about using skills like race against time? It provides a really good snare removal, but also gives minor force 10% critical damage, now that second buff is wasted against what rallying cry? We wont even get started in the CP tree... Case closed... and that's not opinion, that's the reality of it.
@The Real Godzilla Non crit builds only benefit from the crit healing they get, and that is unaffected by RC. They buid into different kinds of damage. I still can burst down RC players (if I run into them, which is rare) with my StamSorc if RC is their only source of mitigation.
@The Real Godzilla you are not nearly as smart as you think mr "case closed" . You listed sources of crit and said "don't tell me crits don't matter". You didn't actually prove anything, like I can't even form a proper response because you didn't poke any wholes in what I said? What I said about crit builds being non meta outside of cloak blade is true, the best way to settle that would be to look at the sweaty duelers and see what they use, no ones showing up to stonefalls with an orders wrath dk. You will get smoked. Even if it was 50/50 and an orders wrath dk would have as much damage as a burning spellweave dk(nope) it would still mean rallying cry would only be good against the ones that choose crit builds, still making it useless against the many non crit meta pvp builds. And every veteran knows a set can be super strong but if it has a hard counter, and the hard counter is a traditional pvp build, it's not close to being overpowered. Poke holes in what I said but please don't make me read all the sources of crit again that was awful
@Cameron Bachman đŻ
Anyone know if you can buy this at pvp vendor?
nightblades deserve to two tap everything under the artificial sky in this game.
i say nerf crit resistance, base resistances, and add a permanent debuff to make all players take 5% extra damage when attacked from their flank.
Balance this game proper.
I disagree - itâs a good solo or 2 v X set - you drop effectiveness of its in bigger groups.
For sure the traits system needs some attention. In PvP, potentially Reinforced, Sturdy, Well-Fitted and Divines are all decent options, but Impen is nowhere near as obvious as it used to be, and Invigorating has never ever been worn by anybody it's so shet. In PvE, the 'deckbuilding' that was recently bragged about in the letter is even more limited, with essentially Tanks having a couple of traits and everyone else in Divines. I think an enormous benefit could come from adding a couple of new ones, and resurrecting Exploration and Prosperous. It wouldn't be hard to code for new trait stones at all.
Most builds use because is convenient for the slight free damage on back bar. If it were only the critical resistance I doubt it would be so popular.
Good idea to remove maras balm and rallying cry.
Bring back the good old iron blood
have u a build for ur stamblade plllllllz
by now you should know there will always be a set way better than others. Its the way zos does things. Why do so many people run markyn or sea serpent? Or balorgh? If you look at every update things are usually this way. But i dont completely disagree, they do need to adjust it a bit, and they undoubtedly will at some point. And most likely they will go over the top and put it in the dirt. IMO they should bring the stat reduction up a fair bit based on how many people are in the group. I mean we can at least have 1 set in the damn game that is more focused on solo/small scale players. And they should probably nerf the crit resist amount a bit as well, maybe down to like 1350.
Ya i just dont think its as big of an issue as you think. I think a lot of small scale players run it, but really most people i fight are in maras. But it does need some kind of adjustment, unfortunately in usual zos fashion when they do it will be put in the gutter just like many other sets that were overtuned in the past.
I think the players on crit builds are the main oneâs complaining. people want to run around light attacking 5 times >incap> assassins will and win.
How about focus on the ball groups / Zergs with 12 echoing vigors, radiating regens chasing solos down and ulti dumping them? that should be a main focus.
@@nomeat ya I agree. I like zilla and maybe this his unbiased opinion but I just find it hard to belive playing a nightblade as your main wouldn't impact how you'd feel about a set like this. And even if he is unbiased it still comes off like that. Which is exactly why he started off saying people would think he was being biased about it. Regardless I stand by what I said. Its not nearly close to the biggest issue in the game rn and it could use a small adjustment if zos knew how to do those.
I just recently gave into running Rally Cry. Been playing stamnb with only 29k health and 19k resistance its too hard to survive solo now.
Think they should nerf spec bow like they did with whip. 35k resistances with 2k+ crit resistances and stilllll got hit by a 18k spec bow from a hybrid blade that happened to be using rallying cry. Not to mention his capability to face tank my burst dmg on a nb lmfao đ€Ł
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Rallying cry is fine imo. It goes down with group play. It at least gives solo players a chance. Dots need to come back
Dots are stronger than before against the odds.
Someone seems salty their bow only hits for 18k instead of 25k. The reason why some (!!!) people wear it (as group size shrinks its effectiveness I rarely see the proc. So all them solo players are grouped. Shocker!) is because NB crit damage is ridiculously easy to achieve.
Btw, werenât you preaching WV wasnât good, although that is what 90% of PS EU sweaties are wearing - over Mara and RC?
More like 22k vs 25k
@Mrs Lambert đ€Ą
If you run Rallying makes no difference for a good ganker because even if you run 7 pieces impen (127 impen per piece) + 660 impen CP + 1320 impen that everyone get and Rallying 1650 impen you will get 4519 impen (round 68,5%) crit damage med. My ganker runs in total 135% crit damage and even if you run this 68,5% crit damage med I'll still have 66,5% crit damage + over 12k pen and 6.3k WD + 2 proc sets what still will bring you in to trouble.
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@@P4NxC4K3 made me choke on my foodđč
It's been super strong from the day it dropped but so has other sets that eventually got replaced by stronger sets that dropped. I see the same happening with rallying cry yes its still very strong but zos is going to sell future content somehow a rallying cry replacement is only a matter of time
Everyone's a crit build, so rally cry gives you a chance to not get hit with a 30k crit bow đđđ
@@kerixza you even have to wear it. Never did before but I do now.
@@kerixza tell zos bring back old magden and ill come back đ€Ł
@@iAmCLPN lmao haven't played in 3 months đ€Łđ but I'll b back in a couple weeks I heard block is bugged tho
@kerixza haven't played in like 4 or 5
problem with dropping burst heal is that it going to have a negative effect in pve
6:48 I took that personally
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I agree with you and people saying you are not making sense (or worse, that you're wrong) are the reason PvP is as is right now.
I've played ESO for a while, and overall I still believe the diversity they brought into the game is not that bad a thing (2015 and 2016 ESO was rough in PvP, everybody was so easy to kill, it was sometimes too quick).
However this kind of set really affect PvP, and people who don't realize it just don't understand how the calculation works (probably complaining on the forums in 2016 :D). A set that gives you both damage and resistance is stupid. Fact is that with 300 damage and 1650 crit resist (yeah they scale with group size but come on...) you can absolutely ditch impen from your armor to put sturdy or well-fitted on (yay !). In today's meta, most sets don't give enough stats, and this is the real reason why a set like Rallying Cry is overpowered. 300 damage is not that great. However, the crit resist amount is OP. In the end, this also shows 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses are worthless. Even if you are comparing this to a 2 and 3 piece-bonuses being weapon damage, it gives you 1 crit chance and max magicka (not great for stam builds but not useless either). However, 258 weapon damage is so meaningless overall that the 2 pieces you have "always on" do not matter, hence this kind of set. One of the biggest downsides of ESO PvP is the fact that ZoS nerf something and then bring something to counter this nerf.
You decided to sacrifice a set to get 7x impen ? I don't see an issue.
However, when a set overpowers both a trait on 7 pieces and a major buff, that's a big red flag right there.
Only thing I don't agree with is you saying 90% of people play it, and that's because CZcamsrs like you are there to explain to these narrow-minded youtube build people why this set is OP, which could in the end make the problem even worse.
Though in current ESO PvP state, you can basically do anything and it will be good enough, because as I said, the set bonuses are so low that it doesn't matter.
ZoS, bring pack the percentages. It meant that you had to invest in what you were doing for it to work, so that max health balorgh rallying cry dawnbreaker enjoyers would have to choose between damage, resistance or health.
On that note, Rallying Cry and Markyn being as popular as they are is not a surprise.
Agree with alot of what you said. The 94% is just a random number honestly there is no way to tell exactly what % uses rallying cry was meant as a joke
@@TheRealGodzilla I'd say Rallying Cry and Markyn probably both exist at the same time in around 50% of the builds on CZcams that I've seen.
When I see people fighting for 5 minutes without anyone dying or running out of resources, I'd like to think those people would think twice on their builds, but apparently not.
EDIT : btw looking forward to a video talking about tank meta, this is gonna be fun.
They need to make it to where if multiple people in the group are wearing it if itâs already active it doesnât restart the cooldown meaning no 100% uptime
Yeah critical resistance used to be higher but you didn't get an automatic 1400 either
I disagree with you. We don't need any nerfs again, you will ask zos to nerf one thing, they nerf everything. they never nerf one thing that makes us happy. instead of starting nerfing things they need to focus on fixing the game starting with lags, skills not working, misform lag, and much much more. And if they decide to nerf a set they just nerf it to the ground and it come useless. I don't use rally and I get by just fine. Double bar rally won't be good idea the only people will be running it, will be NB and group play not solo pvp, unless if you go no monster set you pair with bleed or dot build.
Itâs players on crit builds complaining. itâs fine where itâs at. they just need to adjust cross healing. itâs insane.
Idc I still run malacath. I would be mad too if they released a set that kinda hard counters NB
Itâs a set that actually has me convinced Iâm better off splitting my ball group into two groups of 6. Weâre still a 12 man in GC1 following a crownâŠ.but we all get Rally. That says all you need to know about the set lol
Then you miss out so many group buffs and make yourself vulnerable. Transmutation + SPC is a way more effective but yes, bgs are ridiculous to begin with anyway.
8:20 that's completely reasonable
Set is fine just maybe a 10% crit res nerf
You present a logical argument against RC. But should a nb hit me for an 18k incap/killer's blade for free? Just trying to have a fight with other players in a big and then a nightblade comes and hits 3x as hard as anyone else? Nerf that shit and RC can go lol
Rallying cry is fine. If crit builds werenât so insane atm then sure I could see it over performing. Khajit knight blade running the shadow or dkâs in corrosive running shadow still hitting me for 10k plus when I have 4k crit resist and I have 26 spell and physical. I also donât see it mitigating as much dmg as maras. Also dkâs running trickery and maras with no recovery take no dmg can sustain forever due to cinder exploit and burst someone because of corrosive I think is a bigger issue than a set that gives you some protection against high crit builds
I don't even use impen anymore. Crit resistance is not that good like it used to be.
Yup, all divines with reinforced on large pieces. Itâs bis with rally.
Or, or people could just not desperately feen to use meta just like I do and I'm still doing fine. Just like every nerf, people will just choose the next best thing.
The "downside" of the set is it only works in bg and gray
I still think maras balm is broken
There are sets that give way more raw mitigation/healing, if you think it's broken you would be shocked to see some other sets that have been in the game for years
Not to many running it after it got nerfed
@@cameronbachman8161 like what? I just came back to eso after 3 yrs and just put maras on last night, and in shocked at how strong it is still
@@cameronbachman8161 ironblood how much i miss u
@Eros Rahman ironblood is still beef city. But nothing compared to undertaker when it was bugged. I went like 2 weeks without dying
I canât believe that there are people in the comments actually arguing that Rallying Cry is balanced. Itâs not just broken in overland, where it was designed for as a tool for outnumbered PvP, itâs in our dueling scene too, on every other build. đ
Ofc is a balanced set ; if you are in grp rally get a debuff ; if you use rally cry for a BB set and go with other ofenssive set you need to go for a regen mundus and probably go for 1 regen glyph so you dont ever notice the 300 more wd/sd if you use rally and wretched you lack on dmg ; so rally is not a broken setup; is a op setup but is not a free dmg set dont give you 100% sure you gonna win cause you have rally and the other guy not no; is a good set and btw ppl who uses the set only uses is not because the wd/sd or the crit res is because with the crit res you can go ez for other traits and dont lack or feel your setup miss the impen or other traits per example
It doesn't proc in overland. Waaa waaa waa
RC is shit i only ever run it on nb for nbvnb duels and busted shadow mundus. Thats the one and only Time RC is good
@@LoKoEso pretty sure by overland they meant cyro
@UCRJbMGz_mROYrWsRrztylyg thats just an opinion, i 1vX people running RC all day that doesnt save them or annoy me at any point đ€Ł
Honestly, I use BSW still on my magdk, love it
When 90% or more of players use an item, it is broken. Good analysis and suggestions on how to fix this. Until then, I will meld with the Borg.
It's the maras balm for me just cleanse eh
Sets that give resistance and damage buffs should not work at the same time, damage above 50% health and resistance below 50% health.
I play no cp so this set is not a thing there but if the buffs of this set were not active at the same time it would not be abusive.
Thank you Iâm so tired of rallying crutch
It gives wayyyy too much crit resistance and allows people to wear sturdy or well fitted armour to block or dodge forever. Too overturned
Yup specially for dk đ
I have never used rallying cry and seem to do just fine.
You can still do fine without rallying cry. Don't know the full power til you try it imođ€Ł
@@TheRealGodzilla that's no shit! I'll be honest I haven't even wanted to get on eso for past few months but it might be worth trying. I really prefer the struggle of whooping ass in non meta buildsđ€Ł
Don't fall into the trap if you use it once you'll use it on everything it's too good lmao
@@ChaddeusThaddeus lol I wish that was the case, I despise using sets majority are using. Hell I was using caluurions and flame blossom way before they remapped the cp system đ€Ł quit when everyone jumped on that train and started using another
@Little Fitter Fitness Donât listen. I still have no use of RC on all my toons so far. Itâs nice but maras is a way better.
Thanks, ZOS is now going this set to the ground
Yup, totally agree and I've been saying its stupid op for a while now. Also fu for using miats
Titanborn & coral riptide. No crit needed
Just reduce the power and resist it gives to the wearer when they are solo. Itâs not broken in group comps
Itâs not even that good solo
People will loose their mind if they nerf rallying. Although I do agree that it does need a slight adjustment!
Check the comments they already have EVEN at the thought of a youtuber talking about it...
@@TheRealGodzilla lmao yea I saw that..
I find rallying cry to be fine in pvp. I run orders wrath and wretched vitality.. thought boit trying rallying but I just don't want to lol
The current tank meta is heavily driven by sets and the defensive aspects of vampirism (mistform and undeath) in combination with how easy it is to stack high HP. And donÂŽt even get me started
with CP, which is a completely unbalanced mess I wonÂŽt dive into.
We also have so many ridiculously stat dense options when it comes to gear, food and mundus stones that any other option outside of a selective "meta" sets are just underwhelming.
Would like to see adjustments to the following sets in order to address the current issues:
* Trickery (way overtuned since rework)
* Rallying Cry (for reasons mentioned in the video)
* MaraÂŽs Balm (for obvious reaons)
* Wretched Vitality (gives too much sustain, and sustain allows for stalemates)
* Sea-SerpentÂŽs Coil (gives you all the dmg you need which allows you to invest the rest into sustain/survivability)
* Balorgh to a certain degree (allows you to stalemate until 500 ult and then just turn and burn without any effort)
For skills IÂŽd like to see a nerf to polar wind and coagulating blood, which in my opinion are the only really overtuned heals atm (together with vigor which should lose minor resolve). Mistform needs to be reverted to how it used to work (where you get pulled out after 4 seconds) and undeath is just icing on the cake that enhances the tankmeta. Adding some diminishing returns to HP stacking above 30k HP would also go a long way (or reduce the HP values from food and set pieces to match the values that max stam/mag has).
Tank meta is here because of dot nerfs period. Whenever they play with dots we go from tank metas to burst metas. Always depends on dots
So much for making PVP accessible to the masses based on your nerf list... there's a tank meta in PVP so it's more accessible to newer players. Thru tankiness the game slows down and is easier to master, hence more people play, hence PVP population theoretically should improve... I didn't say will, I said should. Its up to the experienced players to figure out how to beat the meta. I agree with you on coagulating blood and polar wind.... that amount of burst heal in PVP shouldn't be allowed unfortunately... adding a 1 second cast time to both skills would fix the problem quick.
No.
Be lucky to see 5percent of our server use RC. Every man and his dog runs Maras. Didn't see anyone in your video use RC either tho tbh, the set is a problem but maras is the reason I CBA logging in atm
Sound the alarms đš
I'd like to point out that you don't talk about the fact that ever member you effect reduces the stat bonuses. If you're solo going 1vX with it that player is already good and they aren't crutching on it only getting more cheese. But i haven't pvp in like 6 months.
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@@TheRealGodzilla my bad appreciate it
Bro idc about all the things you said whether double bar it or make it less uptime all i care about is that they should nerf RC by making it gives either 900 or 850 crit res with 200 wd becuz some sets gives minor courage which gives 250 wd while RC gives 300 and 1.6k crit res its way way better than those sets that gives minor courge and other minor buffs
Maybe its time to buff malacath back to 25%
It's interesting how many are ok with this set. I think people are missing the bigger picture of how this set compares with most others and just adds to an unbalanced game.
The set isn't wildly out of control, a must have, or anything like that. It's just very strong in all already unbalanced game and gives too much for too little requirements.
Sets like rallying Cry go against the idea of diversity when they clearly over perform. I've tested it and no it didn't make my character god tier but it gives so much that I notice a difference figuring other players when I'm not the one of us who's wearing it.
Adjust this set slightly down or bring other sets slightly up
I'm not okay with it, I just don't want Zos nerfing or "balancing" sets. They don't know how to gently bring it in line, they'll nerf it so much it'll be another useless set that nobody will use. Then once this set is nerfed, guess what, another set will take its place and the cycle will continue.
you can't win with zenimax. you want a set nerfed? cool zos will nerf your set and then introduce a new broken set a patch later that was better than the last broken set. pvpers need to just giveup because no real change will come. eso is a 9 year old mmo game. when is enough enough? yall just gonna keep criticizing zenimax and all thats gonna happen is they're gonna keep ignoring you and keep bring out these meta sets so yall will keep coping and saying nerf set a b c d. its mindblowing how many broken sets there are in eso and ppl want rallying cry nerfed so that the next broken set can come and replace it. eso pvp just needs to die. nothing they do will make pvpers happy. so why not just get rid of it? go play new world and pvp there.
Pvpers need sets that are worth getting. I don't want to do dungeons to grind sets. Battlegrounds sets need rework. Let us sell motifs.
I agree with this as well 100% but we know that's never gonna happen
Hybridisation and scaling healing with damage instead of max stats was the most boring change to PvP.. I'd rather die in two seconds but be able to kill others in 5 than what we have now
When I saw this set released I laughed pretty hard because I knew max mag was gonna be even more dogshit to play as a spec that solely relies on crit for lethal especially since everyone runs vamp and mitigation bubbles already.
That aside, my biggest problem with them adding sets like this is that it makes other sets redundant since it's essentially an overtuned gigachad version of transmutation/PA . If they're combining sets to make new sets then we officially have too many sets.
Easy...... bring back major force to oaken soul to sort of cancel out rallying Cry.
I believe rallying Cry was made with oaken soul in mind, like how else can you reduce that crit dmg from the old oaken soul????
Nope
Id rather nerf coil so the pay to win gap is a little smaller
We will get into all these little intricate things đ€
Nightblades been dealing with rally in Christ Since You Been Gone.
Here's a list for you to get pushed.
1. Single Target ultimates need a big damage increase
2. The more health you have the slower you should be able to run.
3. Misform should be double the cost.
4. The passive Follow up should be a medium weave instead of a fully charged heavy attack.
Changes like this will help improve the game and these are things that they can fix.
Nah you Cant give follow UP on 2h, thats like adding 10% damage to people using 2h its massive i like the Idea of slow tank tho
Or better like he said lower heals further when battle spirit is active.
The tank meta has to go to make pvp fun again.
The problem with nerfing rally cry is impen trait is bad , and all other impen sets. There is no crit cap for pvp. On my build atm im hitting 135% crit damige so even if they are using rally cry im still hitting 85% harder, WItch is ALOT. is it a problem maybe, but if you nerf it you need to buff other souces of impen
I mention that in the video lol
@@TheRealGodzilla yer wrote that about half way. didnt have enough time to watch the whole thing
I'm trying to understand why you're asking for a nerf on this set. I don't see any power creep because of this set specifically. I don't see an abuse of this set by ball groups like DC and others. Honestly it's one of the best PVP reward sets to come along in a long time that ISNT broken. This set makes 1vX more likely and it allows small groups in overland to be more successful. Seems to be a success story... of course that's just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
It's not that I want the set nerfed to the ground never to be used. I just think when you compare this set to others it's is undeniable how much better is it. Like the ones detailed in the video. Maybe this means Powerful assault and transmutation need a buff who knows. But also at the end I talk about if u nerf rallying cry, I would also like to see a buff to base crit resistance back to its original value the impen trait is useless now giving only 2% mitigation giving a total of 13.4% for (7 gear pieces) crit mitigation where as rallying cry from a set gives 25% as u can see there is a huge discrepancy between the two. I'd like to see adjustments to impen gear trait and a buff to red cp slotable where you have more options to get impenetrable where your sole choice to get it isn't just from rallying cry and that's it if that makes sense
@@TheRealGodzilla I totally agree with your buff suggestions to the impen trait and the red slotable... shoot traits in general (other than jewelry) need some adjusting. I don't know man, I run a crit build Stamsorc and haven't noticed any reduction in my damage output overall because of RC. With that said I think there are choices the players make with their build (traits, enchants, sets, armor weight, quality of item, weapon choice, skills) to make it fit their play style and budget and it either works or it doesn't, right? It doesn't make the set itself an issue. Last comment, if they aren't going to nerf DC back to Oblivion then they need to leave RC alone. (DISCLAIMER: I run Rallying Cry and love it).
The set does have power creep, rally cry is the most stat dense set in the game. Compare hulking draugr which is a older set or even new moon to rally cry, and rally has more overall stats therefore its a power creep set
@@IBeTehNinja I understand what you're saying. In my opinion I think using it isn't necessary to be viable in PVP, it's an option. You don't NEED Rallying Cry to be a tanky beast and to me that means its fairly balanced in the current meta. It's a choice, not a necessity.
@@packatk7431 it's not about needing it do much as how much stronger a build becomes easily just by putting this on. Most any build is just make better by putting this on. You have higher crit and damage while being less vulnerable to crit yourself. It's not a must have but it makes a very noticable difference even if the player wearing it does or doesn't understand what to do with it. This is vs other high tier sets that at least mostly ask you to understand how you incorporate them into your playstyle.
"broken" then night blade hit me with 15k heavy attack, yeah man crit resist is broken..
I'm not sure on the percentage of players running Rallying Cry. However, assuming it is high, doesn't such a scenario bring Malacath's ring back to builds?
It could for sure, but with sets like coil there is no reason to run it. Far superior as it buffs healing as well
TL/DR: always build into crit and/or pen
Crit cap is so high and happens so often that malacath is pretty much unused now. Every other hit I do is a crit on top of enchants also critting that most things donât last long.
Unnerf malacath and we'd see balance. Love that idea. That's what I don't get about these nerfs. If there were a dozen overturned sets from damage/ mitigation/ recovery everything would even out. Old school mala vs sea serpent vs broken soul. Everyone would be using different builds and still have fun. You may get bursted down a few times. But a casual player can never keep up with sweats in any meta. Might well go high damage meta so casuals get some kills by accident. Lol
@@asleepart11_16 I agree that mythics should never be nerfed as the whole point of them is to be stupid powerful (which is why theyâre so hard to get). It doesnât reward or incentivize us to pursue these items when the pay off simply doesnât exist
They should add Mario and mushrooms đ to those game
Selling my eso account, Cp 1778 ( Breton dk, imperial Templar, Breton sorc, Khajiit nightblade all maxed out and with bis gear and all mythics) PS NA
You cannot sell your PS account. ;)
I rarely see people use that set tbh not sure how 94% of people maybe keep running into the same people nonstop but also itâs not broken or need a nerf lot other sets thatâs way broken then that
When I'm in open world and have trouble killing a tanky player I can't kill, i find someone i can kill. Or do wat the zergs do and jump them or 4v1 them lol. If you run into some1 who's running a meta dk or nightblade with stacked thresholds of dmg and resistance with scavenging or whatever then rip đ đȘŠ. Still you have a point abt rallying cry. I run 26k physical and 29k spell resist on plar with rallying cry and it forsure Carries.
SPOT ON! Day 1 pvp player here. I have 16 end game pvp toons, at least 2 of each class & every patch i update them. So far this patch iâve updated 10 toons to this meta & 8 of them run rallying cry bb. I have at least 16 pieces of golded out jewelry of rallying cry! I know itâs going to get nerfed but this patch is the longest of the year so i went all in. Itâs only weakness is if youâre on your front bar too long & forget to buff it or get stunned too long your get smacked easily cause your crit resistances didnât get rebuffed. Iâve wanted to move away from this set but it just works too good, even on a nightblade
Can you send me some gold sounds like you have enough for awhile
@@OnTheRiver14 i have a lot of gold cause i don't give any of it away! lol
I agree shhhh find something else to bitch about and I did give you a like because you just validated my use of the set
Make it to where itâs not up 100% of the time
It would make it useless then cause your crit resistances would be so low youâd be squish
Forget nerfs they need to buff the forgotten sets to keep up with the current meta. They nerf things too much in my opinion and it's driving players away. I've been playing since Nov 23rd 2013 and have witnessed it myself and it's never ending. Ever hear of the Elegant set ? Of course not it was nerfed until it was no longer good at anything.
They really need to lower critical rate and damage in pvp
I could see that too
Rally is the problem? đ€š So the mara's balm what is??
Anyone saying that rallying cry is not op is definitely being carried by it and they dont want a nerf/reality check lol pair it with maras balm for ultra-aids training wheel meta humping!
Everyone running solo or duo have my blessing to run it. As people here donât run RC because they are grouped and enjoy the benefits of their mates healing their asses, I donât see why RC is an issue.
Waaa waaa waah. Since when did impregnable+300 damage become op. So with a 2x crit modifier at 0 crit resist, rally will allow players to take 17500 damage from a spec bow vs 20,000. So much wow. It's a 14.3% reduction in crit damage and with a nb running 50% crit rate in a vacuum you can achieve the same ttk vs someone running 4500 resists. Crit damage is easier than ever to achieve. Stop baiting with these vids. The only carry is NB..your class.
Donât think itâs stronger than maras balm even after the nerf.
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I think dark conv and pb broke the game, rally cry not even close to how busted those sets are and they still released them. đ€Š
Lol what did i hear? Of course, they do everything to make Noobblade OP.
Did u ever compare abilities or passive trees of all classes in eso?
I am playing dk. 1 normal ability of noob blade has much more and much stronger effects then all 3 passive class trees of dk together. Its like warden. They do everything to make this strong. So nooby op.
And you are wrong. They should Buff up rallying cry up to 3000 crit resistance, to have a little counterpart to stealthing skillless noobblades garantued crit cloak.
Il give u a reference and I know alot of ppl running this set up, my warden is running
Magma incarnate, rally cry (back bar), maras barm, markyn ring.
I've 37k resists, 4.6k crit resist, 15k pen, 6.5k weapon damage.
DOES THIS SEEM BALANCED TO YOU GUYS ????????
Because you stack every set you find, it doesnât make 1 set overtuned.
@canisinumbra your missing the point, these 2 sets where release together as well as markyn ring, these sets where highlighted to be overpowered before the patch even dropped, so everyone is running it and the damage they negate kills 90% of the sets in the game I'm a day one player and these sets that they are releasing is killing the game, look at the game pop now its dead most of the time in pvp, boring af if everyone is built like a tank
Add in all the cp negation 10% damage from aoe, 10% direct damage, 20% reduction with negative affects, then there's minor and major protection AND stage 3 vamp 30% reduction at low heath, you used to have to sacrifice damage for tankiness now u can get it way to easy from a few skills slotted, passives and sets stacked and still keep damage, so now that's where we are, and it's boring af
@@mikehaffenden154 markyn is a so so mythic
@@canisinumbra đđ you just don't get it do ya lol
I mean, my personal opinion (unpopular trigger warning for some people lmao) the game went way downhill when Balorgh and Mythics were added, like i have never seen items like those alter the overall playstyle of pvp in an MMO in my life, like the second Balorgh dropped, you gave people access to massive damage and pen, while still running a tank set or even 2 more, becoming immortal but with a fat ulti burst. You didnt need to decide "hmm do i need to be tankier or deal more damage? Maybe i need some recov??" Nah you could get it all, and Mythics only worsened that mindset of having everything in a build at once, rallying cry is just another addition to it.
lol I was enjoy watching you kill the Augustie kid through out the video
What you do flip a coin to come up with 94% đ
Yes sirrrr
Same story for the last 20 yrs feel like