Comparison of High ISO RAW Images From the Nikon D700 and Z8
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- In a previous video I compared high ISO JPEG images right out of the camera between the Nikon D700 and the Z8. Some viewers of that video suggested I compare RAW images. I do that in this video.
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Thanks Jules, I was eagerly waiting for this comparison video. Its amazing to know a 16 year old camera can still compete with today's top end cameras. Would love to see full review of D700 . Please try to include in your upcoming review the different picture controls of D700 e.g D2X-1 D2X-2 and etc. Thanks in advance.
Thank you. It is an amazing camera.
Great comparison and fantastic results.
I really love my d700 because of image quality and small raw image size .
It really is amazing that a camera that’s 15 years old can produce such beautiful images. Especially for under $500.00.
Great comparison - this really points out the importance of starting with the RAW images. Perhaps the most important takeaway is the sensors are not as important as the ability of the user and/or RAW conversion software to produce a good image. I use ON1 as the initial processor to Tiff as I really like the De-Noise capability, I then pull it into Lightroom for the rest of the process, at least for now. Cheers!
Thank you. Shooting RAW really does make a difference.
Nice comparison. I think some people may want the convenience of having a good high ISO jpeg out of the camera, but I'm used to doing some processing after shooting. I started out shooting Raw + JPG and eventually dropped jpeg because it just wasn't worth it. I don't tend to do a lot of processing after the fact, but if I shoot raw it helps clear up my mistakes (ha!) or helps me when I was simply shooting in really poor light.
I really don't think of ISO much at all when shooting my D700 as the noise that is there doesn't bother me often and if it is bad, I can always run it through Topaz or something else to clean things up (e.g., if I had to get a shot and just knew the light was terrible)
Like you, I mostly shoot RAW except when using studio type lighting. Thanks for watching.
Jules Vuotto !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Video and Commentary, albeit a little hard on yourself. Seems the D700 Fan boys got a bit miffed?
Easy there Community, D700 owner here!
I have always loved my D700, and will always keep it. D pad works only part of the time, and is almost useless now, and not worth fixing, so I keep a grip on it, and use the ‘joystick’ to navigate with. I cannot understand why they put the joystick on the grip, but not on the body?
Matsushita based Sensor produces great colors and fidelity. I wish they still mass produced Sensors and used them in other cameras, including the S1 and S5 models.
Stay safe and Happy Shooting
Thank you George. Although the high ISO noise of the D700 is close to the Z8, I much prefer the Z8 in every other way.
@@julesvuottosphotofocus4696 You're Welcome and Thanks for reply. I have not been fortunate enough to have handled or used a Z8. I have been scared to rent one, as then I might be tempted to buy it! LOL. I am sure it is light years ahead of the 700. But I hold to the premise those years and cameras D300/700/ D3/ D3s were some of Nikon’s best and they have not really ever recovered fully from the Earthquakes and Tsunamis that occurred in Japan, but they seem to be making great strides with the Z9/Z8, and now the upcoming Z6III. Technology marches on, whether a Company, or Consumer is prepared!
I think that was a good test. I did not download the images, but what I could see they was'nt a dime worth of differences between these images. I think both cameras performed well. Its had to beat Nikon cameras. Im sure they are differences, but for the most part i Couldnt tell. I thought in your previous videos that you were favoring your mirrorless cameras a little more than your dslr counterpart. I appreciate your videos, and very informative material. Keep up the good work. Thanks david
The jpegs from the Z8 were better than the jpegs from the D700. Things pretty much evened out when converting from RAW. Thanks for watching and your comments.
Jules, Interesting follow-up comparison. I guess there is no replacement for Raw and this comparison is proof of that. Thanks for putting this together, your comparison hopefully will bring new life to the D700 that can be purchased now for “a song and a dance”! Thanks again, my friend.
Thank you Leo
I wouldn’t have expected such a difference, either. But RAW for the win on D700 or Z8. I appreciate that you did this.
Thank you
My D700 always surprises me with it's image quality and performance. It just gets on with the job, I was gonna say quietly but we know that one thing it is not is quiet.
Matsushita based Sensor, love them colors!
I have 3 D700s and absolutely love them and still prefer DSLRs for photography over mirrorless cameras...the metallic prints I have output at A1 look fantastic with excellent dynamic range and detail and find Capture NX2 to be the best raw converter to use with these files.
Great to hear. I like NX2 but find it very slow on a 2 year old MAC. For me, Lightroom is much faster. Thank you for watching and your comments.
What matters for low light performance is sensor efficiency and electronic noise. The Nikon 45MP sensors don't have particularly high efficiency by modern standards, and the D700 was good for its day. The Z8 is about a stop better for read noise, but you really only see this in the deep shadows, and if the black level is set hig (as it seems to be in your processed shots) then that noise gets masked. It's good to see someone make the important point about shooting raw - you can keep up to date with processing methods and get much better results from the files as they improve. BTW, you are studiously saying 'eye-ess-oh' - according to the International Organization for Standardization, whose name it is, it's correctly a pronounceable word 'eye-soh'.
Z8 was better IMO. I did some tests with my old D810 after getting the Z9 and there WAS an image quality difference. The quality of the Z9 photos was at least 15% better, IMO. In particularly with colour and gradations. I knew the video would be better, but was surprised to see the photo's were better too, regardless of how DXO rates them the sensors. Admire, though, people focusing on the pictures, and not the gear. Something noble in that.
I haven’t compared quality on the Z8 to my D810. But I’m not surprised at your findings. Thanks for watching.
Yea, even in this video it's clear that Z8 retains much more detail, can be seen especially in the wig of the mannequin. People focus too much on the noise and forget to look for the detail retention it seems.
@@fotografalexandernikolis No question there is more detail with the Z8. That is to be expected because we are comparing a 45 megapixel sensor to a 12. Thanks for watching and your comments.
@@julesvuottosphotofocus4696 Yes, and the true metric of ISO performance that a lot of people are missing is that it's the sum of noise and detail, not just the noise. If two cameras have similar noise at a given ISO, but one has significantly better detail retention, then all in all it is a better performer. So people here who say there's no progress after D700 are wrong, because they're just looking at the noise without factoring in detail retention.
I also had a D700 and it was great for its time, but things have progressed a lot.
D 700 is amazing camera it did great at the raw files. Noise reduction was off so that is impressive for this old camera.👍👍
Yes it it. Thanks for watching
For me as a Nikon sensor shooter and Sony sensor shooter - which is what this is really about - I know the noise is probably handled better in the more modern Sony sensor, but, there are a lot of looks that only the Nikon sensor can deliver, albeit it being a dated sensor!
If you use Capture One, the raws from the D700 do appear to clean up very good now - which was NOT the case a few iterations back for the same software. I rarely use Pure Raw 4 on D700 files, preferring the look C1 delivers all on its own.
As an interesting aside, I shot some monochrome red filter jpegs yesterday, which I tried to replicate in C1 using the raw files, and couldn't. So, as much as I like raw, sometimes I need to keep a jpeg along side to ensure I don't miss out on a particular feel. This particular anomaly does not happen with my Sony sensor cameras.
The choice of RAW converter definitely makes a difference. Thanks for watching.
a bunch of the "older" nikon sensors were made by sony (also toshiba), OEM thing...
The D700 is truly a legend of a camera. This is why the D700 have been given the name, the legend.
It could be interesting to see the same comparison with the Z8 to the D4 or D800/D810?
I have an 810, so I will do that. Thanks for the suggestion.
Great video Jules! Here’s a request for you to consider. Any chance you could take your Z8 outside along with your sons D700 and shoot something that you yourself like thats under sunlight with both cameras? I would be curious what you yourself think of “the look” you can get out of the D700 images vs that out of your Z8 after editing both raw files as you see fit!!! To elaborate more… i am sure its a given that the Z8 can achieve a much higher “keeper” rate then the D700 under challenging conditions. But for most people the D700 is more then good enough for most all shots. So comparing them on a technical level makes little sense. However what would be more interesting is given ideal shooting conditions for both cameras… and given the needed time to edit each file… what would the outcome be? As a D700 owner and lover myself… there is just something about the images that this camera produces that is magical. I can’t afford a Z8 and don’t have access to one either. So I would be curious / grateful if you could take a picture of something you like with both cameras and edit both of them as best you can to make each camera shine as best as you can and show us what you got!!! Many thanks again Jules!!!
the d3s has clean images at 25600.
Wow, that’s great. I knew the d3S had great high ISO , I didn’t realize it was that good. Thanks for watching.
The conclusion from this test is that sensor technology has not really improved in the last 15 years! Also, megapixels does not mean very much. Even now, 24MP is all that we photographers will ever need, and the D700 proves it conclusively.
I think sensor technology has improved that’s why a 45 megapixel sensor can have similar noise as a 12 megapixel sensor. I agree that 24 MP is enough for most situations, however it’s really nice to have 45 which allows for considerable cropping. Thanks for watching and your comments.
Great video. Sensor technology has only improved a little over the last 10 years and older cameras can still deliver great pictures.
If you can borrow one, the D3S is noticeably better than a D700 at high ISOs and would make a great follow up test. It has a similar sensor to the 700 and is really good in the dark.
I remember when the D3S was introduced, it was said the high ISO was better than the D3 and D700. Thanks for watching.
@@julesvuottosphotofocus4696 It is. Noise is better than my D750, which is from 7 years later. Those huge pixels and a base ISO of 200 make a difference. It is not so good at focusing in the dark though.
By adding the adapter to the z8 would that effect the outcome?
No. The adapter is just a hollow tube, it has no optics. Thanks for watching.
I only shoot jpegs
Whatever works for you. Thanks for watching.
D 700 is amazing camera it did great at the raw files. Noise reduction was off so that is impressive for this old camera.👍👍