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I don’t think Majin is really talking shit about the char. I think he’s just trying to say the character is good even tho people think he’s bad
Love Majin, one of my all time favorites but I never read too deep into his character opinions. He is EXTREMELY nice/optimistic so he will say almost every character is ridiculous.
It’s because of the way he sees the game. When he’s proficient with a character he plays them way different than others. The guy is an amazing tekken player.
Btw majin never intentionally broke any of these characters down. His chat just randomly asked for his opinion on different characters in the middle of a stream.
And my chat asked me to react to this so it appears we're at an impasse
@@K-Wiss You reviewed it ignoring that context... bitch move
@@SnakeInTheRain exactly. And his sassy response shows
Yes Hwoarang's B+2 in Tekken 6 launched, they nerf it in Tekken 7.
I was 9 back then 🤓
Yeah on counterhit only
@@K-Wiss Tag 2 as well. Was changed to ballerina spin in 7
yep, it was like a steve b1 but less range and worse on whiff but still a CH launch is a CH launch.
@@K-Wiss What the heck? How old are you? I didn't know you were that young. I was 13 or 14 when I played Tekken 4, and still, I don't feel like I look much older than you.
As someone who watches both Lil Majin and K-Wiss, I’d like to see the two of you play each other; that sounds like one hell of a match.
I got money on lil majin .
@@charliebandzino5111 facts I would agree
Wont happening in near future since majin lives in usa while kwis lives in uk
@@DooDee0608 G E O G R A P H Y
Majin vs k wiss fight death
I was in this stream. A beginner wanted to learn hwo so Majin was giving a little insight
What Majin is saying is, if King had Hwo’s moves, he would be unbeatable. Hwo does have good tracking, but if you as a player can’t figure out how to maximize the characters moves then you are the problem. Kwiss is amazing with hwo, but in no reinventing the wheel on the way he plays the character lol. Majin as a king player is a bit of a savant. So when watching this video you have to understand the motivation behind the things that he says. He is also the player that never says any player is trash, he finds the positives in everything, but it’s because there’s no quit in the way he understands the game.
"Hworang has good tracking" 11:53 👍
I didn't even clock that
Your mindset changes when you main/ play the CHAR vs. Not knowing the matchup
This includes strength and weaknesses
Tell Cato I said hi - zen
@@jonizadikal6390 huh ?
two guys having a conversation over a character in a video game, all chill. CZcams be like "K-wisS whY U BeIn SaltEE bRooO". I admire your patience to deal with this all the time
but he’s talking shit on phidx
I'm gonna need that sidestep compilation immediately.
Yoshi has the easiest launch punish for backlash with his unblockable sword sweep. No timing required.
This thumbnail got me rolling 😂😂😂
B1 into hunting hawk best mix up in the video game
could you further elaborate on hworang's damage problem like you mention at 19:10?
i don't know much about the character and honestly am thinking about learning the character just so i can form my own opinion on it, just hearing so many conflicting perspectives on hworang makes it hard to learn what the character is really about
cool video nice to see both perspectives, GL in TWT finals
I'll be honest I don't know what he means with damage problems, the character gets solid damage as long as you can preform the combos. Only bad combo damage wise i can think of is when you start a combo with d/b+4, f, 2, 4, b+4, into whatever and that still gives decent damage depending on ender and wall. Maybe u/f+3, 3 but that's really for certain situations and if u can you should be crouch canceling into b+3, or if your really about that Rang life JFSR or delayed hopkick on staggered lows. I will say in certain match ups his While standing punishment has bad range or just straight up doesn't work sometimes, can't remember against who but his WS+3 will get blocked on -14 vs certain characters when it shouldn't think its a bug or something. He's really fun though some of the most interesting characters combo with in the game (imho) and can really punish you for not knowing the match up or staying too still and playing him like a 2D fighter.
K-Wiss plays at tournament level where big launches don't happen all the time, so he probably wasn't talking about combo damage.
I agree with the idea to play Hwoarang to understand the character, imo teaches the matchup way better than just labbing.
Anyways I hope this is helpful, a quick tl;dr on what Hwoarang is about;
Gameplan:
1. Getting to range 1-2
2. Generating frame advantage, by hitting something, or by using his plus on block moves
3. Converting that frame advantage into a mixup
What happens when everything goes according to plan:
1. A single attack can be snowballed into a mixup, either to keep the offense going or for a low/mid hellsweep vs launcher.
2. Opponent mashing, ducking or using strings at the wrong time can be launched into huge combos, with his CH launchers, JFSR or Backlash
What difficulties you will find playing him:
1. Tracking issues, needs fundamentals to deal with
2. Defense issues, needs fundamentals to deal with
kinda hesitant to add this, since a lot of mixups have this same problem
1. Safer options aren't rewarding
2. Big mixups are pretty risky
The reason he is such a hot potato to talk about is because negative emotions stick with you stronger than positive ones,
Playing vs Hwoarang you remember the infinite flamingo strings, MASSIVE combo damage, backlash etc.
Playing as Hwoarang you remember getting kept-out, sidestepped, not hitting launches and all the mixups getting blocked etc.
Oh, and I guess also the fact that he can get away with a lot of bullshit which need strong movement and fundamentals to counter xd
@@ScifiDog thanks, will refer to this if i ever start learning the character, seems like an unbiased perspective on learning the character and i like the information you presented to me about the character, genuinely gave me more understanding
I'm fairly certain he was meme-ing
his damage is really good, KWiss was joking I think
Hwoarang has to play riskier in high level play and he takes more effort to do what is easy for others in the cast but that doesn't make him bad. Everyone wants to play low risk, high defensive play styles with EVER character in the game but it doesn't work like that. Hwoarang is an advanced character.....
The best Hwoarang in the world is the safest Hwoarang player though.
Yeonarang.
Hwoarang is top tier, always has been, always will be lol. He takes an insane amount of skill to use at high level but still an excellent character who I feel hasn't been fully realized just yet. Obviously K wiss is God like with him but we need more HWO players to truly reach a peak with HWO both defensively and offensively
The point I try to always make with Hwoarang is he's not as good as the people who hate him make out to be and he's not as bad as the downplayers make him out to be. He's a very good character in this game but certainly not top tier with the other characters we have in this game. Again, not saying he is bad, just compared to a Feng, Julia, Akuma and so on he is not top tier in this game. Also he was genuinely a bad character in Season 1
@@K-Wiss he's definitely weaker at very high level like you say. There's definitely a lot of hate towards the character because of how difficult he can be to lab and fight against at low level to around ruler-fujin level. I've played tekken since tekken 1 but never competitively, Tekken 7 is the first time I ever labbed characters at all outside of just learning to do combos. The main issue I have with Hwo is that he just has so many different kicks that aren't visually different enough for me to learn to play against and so he just becomes frustrating. And all the advice is "that mid kick is -12 (which one?!)" "just step at this very specific moment" but its hard as a mighty ruler tier player to comfortably visually recognize those things. It feels like you need to seriously learn him to play against him and if you don't have goals of being a TGO or a tournament player he'll just forever be a nuisance to play against. Even his stances dont feel visually distinct like steve for example as another character with a bunch of stances. So yeah, it just all blends together and I think that's why he's generally disliked by mid level players like me, not because of his actual competitive balance.
None of this stops me enjoying watching you play the character or cheering for you in tournaments!
Hwoarang has never been top tier, not in any Tekken game, T7 is the strongest he's been and he's still not top tier, he only became a good character after they lowered the d34 pushback.
@@K-Wiss hwo is a balance character, with range, his even better than Jin and kazuya without all of the brute strength, I say his like rock lee with genuine skill sets
Its always so interesting as a lei main to here people complain about hwoarang as the two characters are the real duality of stance based characters.
where one character is a high pressure machine with multiple safe mid launchers and power crushes and options that not only check your opponents knowledge but usually give decent frame advantage on block but lacks defensive "panic" buttons that they can reliably throw out when under pressure themselves.
when where the other relies on wonky animations to confuse the opponent on how bad the actual frames are for said move, typically never plus, shit range on anything thats under 17-18 frames, but has one of the best run away tools in haha step and evasiveness built into alot of his key moves and stances.
I think lei is a bit worse than hwoarang but i think i could understand from a king players perspective who can has his entire offense nullified/interrupted at any given time with a simple button press.
doesn't help that just to get good king damage of combos you need to painstakingly master ff1 combos but for hwoarang his combos are dead fucking easy. I was performing max hwoa combos day one but for king i still have issues getting jab jab ff1 combos down which costs alot of games.
We need k wiss vs Lil Majin now
K Swiss doesn't appreciate how amazing of a player Majin is, especially for how he does a review so quickly on the character and gives a great review on any character honestly. He made valid points about the character, I think the community has too much of a problem with complaining and picking apart way too many things. Too many cry babies on tekken, it's a great game it's as balanced as it can possibly be.
When Majin says good tracking im sure it's because he plays King and AK so much. These characters have awful sidestep, that's also why he mentioned "when I backdash his d3,4" meaning he doesn't attempt to step it because hes playing King all the time.
they can step Hwoa with no problems. Even Fahkuram can step this guy np
@@NARUTOS25 You'll get clipped and launched all the time against good players so it's too risky to attempt with fat characters.
k wiss reacting to majin lets go
How do you counter him? I’m having trouble 😂 only been playing for about two weeks
Watch speedkicks’ video on countering hwo. Mainly, don’t let him get into stance from moves that he’s not supposed to. E.g. if he does jab jab into stance you can either interrupt or ssl.
The other thing is side step left a lot and keep track of what stance he’s in ( like if he swaps what foot he has forward, back lash is almost sure to come out)
As for d4,3, imo it’s not worth trying to interrupt (but this is debatable, some peeps say dick jab), and you should block standing 80% of the time and block low 20%. Try to keep a distance from hwo unless you’re enforcing your own mixup so hwo can’t hit you with d3,4. And if he whiffs the first move duck and launch after the high comes out.
my honest opinion about hwo after playing him for quite some time is that yes, he can be oppressive and can be a total noob destroyer, but if you are up against someone who has the slightest idea how to challenge his options, his offense options becomes a gamble that is not against his favor. I always say that the only time he gets a real 50-50 is after hitting d3,4 but even then, some characters can challenge it if you opt for b3 for example
sadly no one want to learn the match up so they just say he needs a nerf he not the most broken character in the game
Well he always can cancel to mid jab to play safe
The problem with Hworang’s b1 and b2 regardless of how good it is or not is why does a hardcore rush down character have super evasive tools that can get to your back when he is the one getting pressured?
Also hworang being massively streamlined to the point that you only need a couple tools to start your offense also makes people pissed, he was greatly respected in tekken 6 and tag 2. Backlash was still a good move in those games but didn’t have the armor, but was harder to react because there was no homing trail or a shout. D 3,4 was not a natural string and b3 had far less range. He did have a safe mid launcher from flamingo in df 4 which maddogjin was a master at placing. Power crushes and rage arts do hurt hworang in tekken 7 because people could do either to interrupt his tornado of offense so they had to dumb him down, giving him massive plus frames so people can’t just power through his mixups aka d 3,4
people who consistently duck and launch [d3,4] [rff3,4] and [LF3,4] will tell you hwo isnt as good as lil majin thinks. i've fought people who almost wont even let me use flamingo until i chip them enough with 1,2,f3 for pressing too much (which people dont mind eating because its tiny dmg vs getting mixed by d3,4). theres definitely ways to limit hwo's bs if you can out play him. and for b1 and b2 theyre punishable and pretty predictable.
In what world is d 3,4 gonna be launched on block? Anything slower than i13 is a nearly frame perfect punish unless you have a high crushing launcher from crouch. Even if d 3,4 is launch punishable it’s still A NATURAL HIT STRING. Most people side walk to launch anyways. B2 is completely safe so idk what you mean by that. B1 is used as an option select for a lot of annoying mixups and the threat of it forces people to respect his minus frames at the end of a round. Backlash is unlaunchable for multiple characters Heihachi, Asuka, Steve, Kazumi etc. Tekken 6, Tag 2 hworang is a much more respected character because of how difficult his game plan was and didn’t have any easy mode offense starters or whiff punishers. He is super all round now with greatly buffed punishment, d 3,4 doesn’t have any pushback on hit anymore. Flamingo b3 is still only -10 and he now has a demon paw for tekken 7 because why not?
@@dechuggs9129 i said "duck and launch" even the the save scumming law player did it to kwiss a few times, and if you want to fish out B1 just stop mashing, its a panic move.
Do you even hear yourself? Unless you have a high crushing launcher it’s literally impossible to launch punish d3,4 if you duck the second hit. Law is literally one of the few characters that can launch it with d 2,3. czcams.com/video/docNn7i7UOU/video.html kwiss says it himself in this video that very few characters can launch it if you duck the second hit.
@@dechuggs9129 are you talking about launching on block or something? because i literally just went in practice and launched it with asuka and then with kazuya as well lol it isnt hard at all
Hwoarang always felt like a jack of all trades character. He's got everything but he's not the best at it, which not a lot of character's have. Even in the hyper-power creeped state of Tekken 7, each character still has a semblance of an identity and the specialization that comes with it.
He has the best blender.
With Those Two Characters Right there if I was CHALLENGED In my My Local to ONLY play these two against the cast of MASTER PLAYERS - WITH HEIHACHI AND HWOARANG ID WAX'EM ALL IN 3 WEEKS PRACTICE !!!!
Nobody can put you in a blender like Hwoarang. Period. Doesnt matter what character he's facing, they will all get caught in the blender and have to guess multiple times. Forget individual moves...nobody has a blender like Hwoarang.
This, btw, is why he is disliked as a “cheap” character,,,that Blender problem
I think Lei does it better.
Yeah Hworang's only good if you play hella cheap with him. That damn blender has smacked me around too many times.
@@ArnisGoldberg idk. He's got fundamental tools but they take alot of work.
Zafina puts you in a blender in neutral. Hwoarang needs to get in to blend.
The problem with competitive players like you is always the same. I respect you a lot, i wish to have your skills at the game, with that being said tho you only take in consideration the competitive side of the game. You guys never think about the whole picture of players of this game.
You mentioned a complete throw game being not a strenght cause u can just break throws, do you know how hard it is for the average or even high level player to break throws on reaction between 1 2 and 1+2? Started in 2020, got max Ryujin with Bryan, and honestly i still cant break all the throws on reaction looking at the arms. You need real talent for that shit man, ive practiced against Paul many hours and i still cant do it.
Not everyone is a pro player not everyone is equally talented. Not everyone can predict a d3,4 and step or block. The move being +14 low natural combo that force you to decide between 12 different options where if you guess wrong u die is abnoxious. Not everyone can react to backlash, and even when i do recovery is too fast and i cant properly launch punish a fucking armor homing launcher plus on block. The move is abnoxious. Such a high damage on a char that kills you for guessing wrong is abnoxious. A spammable df2 for keepout on a rushdown char that stress you so much as soon as he get close is abnoxious.
You didnt bring any valid point that covers the experience of 95% of the player base imo, and facing Hwoarang is just not fun even when ur kinda confident about the match up cause in the end its always a guessing game constantly. Homing powercrushes from stances that ur supposed to counter with movement is abnoxious. Until u reach god level at the game, which 95% of the playerbase wont reach either for lack of talent or lack of time to practice the whole roster, Hwoarang is a S tier character and just really abnoxious to fight against.
I dont think he is the most bullshit char in the game, but he is not a char that u should feel struggle so fucking much to win with, at least not if you arent a pro level player. If you wander around green ranks and tekken king imo hwoarang is fucking strong and really difficult to handle, he puts all the pressure on you and your talent as a defensive tekken player, while once u learn his stances its really easy to bombard the opponent with relentless pressure.
There's a lot going on in this post and rather than type out a comment that people will purposely take out of context and put words in my mouth, I'll probably address this in an upcoming video because there's a lot to dive into here.
@@K-Wiss appreciate your reply, again i want to say i am not talking about the level u play at cause there i guess everyone have the godlike defence to counter hwoarang even tho sometimes he will put you in a dangerous 50\50 situation no matter what.
I respect the skills of a pro tekken player cause i love this game and i wish i had the time or the talent to be that good aswell. I am only talking about intermediate and high ranks like blue and early gods before the tekken god rank and i want to believe that i talk for the majority of those players when i say that fighting Hwo even when u spent time to learn the match up on some degree its stressfull and hard.
Looking forward to your video on the matter if you do.
@@davideguernieri5115 watch him slither his way out in the response video
k-wiss thrives in an echo chamber
?
he also thrives in the competitive scene so there's that
@@zachmac3824 So does majin?
@@zachmac3824 so does majin and jdcr and both of them clown on hworang and his bs, jdcr released a video trashing on howrang just the other day actually, so you know...
@@zachmac3824 arguable
I suppose the point is that Hwoarang is good, but some people (especially those who play the character sub-optimally/predictably) complain that he isn't perfect and that's a problem.
Hwoarang has almost all the tools you could ever need but doesn't necessarily have the best versions of those tools, and some are locked behind stances. He's a versatile character that can be played in a number of ways. That's part of why people act negatively whenever Hwoarang players point out any of his flaws. But which character doesn't have weaknesses? Even the top tiers aren't entirely perfect. Every character deserves flaws that players should aim to play around, it keeps the game interesting.
I suppose as well Majin's saying all this from his perspective as a King main. King wishes he had some of Hwoarang's "bad" moves.
I think that first sentence is a very good way of putting it. Something like his RFF b4 is a very good example of that, great high crush tool but locked behind a stance. Also "which character doesn't have weaknesses" *Stares at Feng intensely*
@@K-Wiss That character is stupid , same with paul
as long the character has a mid fast homing move, you can say he has good tracking, thats why Majin showing hwoa tracking moves..
For other characters like Leo whos only homing move is df3, which is super slow.. the rest of his move is linear.. verryy liner compared to Hwoarang. Thats considered bad tracking compared to hwoarang.
I agree to Majin on majority of hwoarang players uses him the same. Offense mixup hwoarang. Always on the offensive.
I saw knee using hwoarang alongtime ago on his streams, his hwoarang only using few moves in the open and doesn't rely on mixups.
Hwo needs an EWGF.
And it should be mid
@@K-Wiss make jfsr +5
7:26 Lil Majin isn't contradicting himself here because he's saying this is what others say/think. Not himself.
He's just giving you the mindset of the majority. He's not attributing that mindset to himself.
But that talking about moves in a vacuum thing.....yeah that's ridiculous and needs to stop😂💯
Why is his orbital not that good? It's decent in speed for an orbital has ok range and crushes lows faster than average.
Also hunting hawk crushes lows just like most hopkicks on frame 9 so what do you mean by it not crushing lows very well. His uf3+4 crushes lows also on frame 9 btw.
probably he got an arguement with speedkicks.
Majin refuses to talk bad about any character lol
bruh hwo literally did a full 180 kick after i side step behind him. his tracking is decent.
Interesting video
This is a 21 minute video and it just went live 2 minutes ago
😂😂😂
@@K-Wiss Will you upload to youtube reaction to new JDCR Hwoarang video?
@K-Wiss yeah just saying its interesting that Lil Majin was going into details about howrang
Lil Magin was saying fact tbh 👌
3:39 in TT2 used to launch
b2 CH used to launch in TEKKEN 6
The character can't be bad if is played consistently by different people on tournament level.
Agreed, you have KWiss, Rest, Speedkicks and Yenorang(?) to name a few.
I feel a "I didn't say he was bad/good (chaotic neutral) I said he was not as bad Hwoarang players say he is!!". 🤔
Regarding backlash having quick recovery frames.
That's what makes the move useful and gives utility tbh, otherwise why would anyone use a move equivalent to snake edge and also stance gated.
Also if someone punishes it properly, that feels impressive as well.
Bro Majin said he’d smack you up and called you out by name and that your dad is a punk also
Hold on how does he see the dislikes???
should put majin's vid link in description
B2 launched in Tekken 6
About backdash... Its generaly harder to react on it than on snake edges and some unique even faster moves with sparks. Snake edges have preety distinguishable animation when model goes low profile very fast, so you can identify and react to it faster. Same goes for moves like alisa boot 1+2 where you can react both on visual and audio clues, both unique to that move in this stance. With hwo it a bit harder, coz he dont have realy strong key pose to identify backlash as fast as said snake edge. And audio que is not that unique eather.
Of course im not telling about super obvious players that manualy stance switch into backlash...
Imo tekken is kinda mess in case of key poses. Actualy human reaction time is much faster than 26 frames. On avarage it goes down to 15 frames. Just in case of tekken you have to add time to recognise a move among all others that looks almost same at startup. On some other fighting games, for example, mostly full 2d, moves considered reactable on much faster startup. And only thanks to strong key poses.
valid argument, but the same can be said for a lot of other moves in the game like zafina's snake edge that catches even the best tournament players if talking about audio and visual queues
Its locked in a single stance, just look out for backlash when is right foot is in front of him
@@NARUTOS25 too bad he has dosens of other options in right foot forward. I havent said its unreactable. Read again harder. In context of response to a video part
Lil Majin's a cool dude, but he seems strangely off-base with this one. I still don't like fighting Hwoarang but I've come to learn that he's good, but faaaaar from broken. Hwoarang kind of has to be in your face trying to mix because he really can't play at range well and he's got, like, three pokes. JFSR seems to be his best mid-range tool, since Plasma Blade's really unsafe and Backlash is duckable. Hwoarang's whiff punishment is great, but his regular punishment is simply okay. He's one of those "I *need* my stance mix-up" characters.
I knew b+1 was going to get mentioned for being "good" and that K-Wiss was going to die a little inside when it did.
I think I agree with him in the end, just not his reasoning. I don't think he's saying Hwoarang is broken and I think this is more a response to Hwoarang downplayers more than anything. I think he's just saying Hwoarang is strong he just can't explain why
I completely disagree with your stance on U3+4. That thing is disjointed like Bryan’s to an extent I use that to call out shallow FF,2 from Jin and D.Jin.
Yeah Hwoarang orbital from Tekken 6 was really weird compared to 7. I've been using this move quite a lot in this game
Buff Hwo 😏 Kwiss 👑🙌
Buff Hwoa till the day I die 🤓
lol I get ducked and punished when I try to backlash the computer so often I don't even bother to use it in treasure match anymore, my sky rocket get stepped often as well or easily whiff cause I'm just bad.
one thing can be true tho: Hunting hawk is OP against the computer, it eats it 24/7 XD
Jin has one save mid launcher, guess he’s not that good🤷🏾♂️
They nerfed it on t7 from t6 and tt2 I believe.
I love Majin and he's infinitely better than me at the game, but he did the same thing with Bryan recently.
Interesting first 7 mins of the video
Now react to how Paul is good? He really only is in isolation
This is like if I made a video about King
I don't know shit about king, I just know he is strong and he annoys me
Thats why I don't go talking about stuff I don't fully understand lmao
I respect Hwoarang players because he is hella hard to learn, I've tried. The other side is he's almost impossible to lab because of his complexity. If you invest the time then he will carry you in ranks.
I love Majin, and I know that his video was kinda made on the spot, but I still think it's not a good idea to make such a video on a character you don't know that well, especially when you have quite a big audience like him. Now people probably think Hunting Hawk is good 💀
When i hear people talk about Hwoarang, it's usually complaints about his pressure. Always spamming rfs f3 4 from something. I'm thinking, nobody plays like this.
I love majin but he says 90% of the cast are busted lmao
Every character can’t be S+ in all categories. Hwoarang has every tool that every Tekken characters would want. Damage, wall travel, throw mixup, 50/50s, safe launchers, evasiveness, like 5 power crushes that track. Majin sounds right to me
damage problem? i dont think so. his damage output is good.
Air gear is my favorite manga of all time
backdash is 100% reactable, but for some reason the animation is so hard to react and when I do I can even launch punish cos it recovers so effing fast, but the plus 4 part is just stupid.
The terms high crush and low crush always annoyed me, the correct terms are tech crouch and tech jump, the only crush in the game is power crush
no one will ever use those terms
Come on K-Wiss, you know Hwoaring is strong. He has some weaknesses (I admit, he only has 1 decent tracking move to keep people honest) but his strengths are super strong. You know as well as I do he is an "undercover" top 10 character, the only reason most people ignore him in that top 10 is that they don't know him well enough and most people play him like crap when we face a Hwoarang.
HWOARANG HAS NO MIDS
He's buffed to the backballz. He's hands down the most abusable character with d3,4 into his strings. Move over Nina:) Nothing personal K-wiss your the best UK player and❤your content
Hwoarang is good really , maybe not top5 , but maybe top 10 in my opinion
Every night every whorang player. Says whorang is shit, right before thay go to sleep. Then thay knock out... 🌔🌕🌖
Kwiss is a little biased I feel he just reacting 😝 he loves some rang
Hwoarangs tracking is terrible xD I step him constantly! Like i get them right behind the back too
What is this video, it took you so long to understand majin's point. You try to call out majin over really nothing. Of course majin not going to go in a total deep dive with the character, he just showing out what would be considered in a vacuum "good moves" to show people that the character not bad and giving his opinion. Why are you being so contentious for no reason.
I do believe if he had a good while rising launcher hed be top 10
Do you mean if he had like a i15 ws launch or something? Because even then it doesn't change much
@@K-Wiss it would change quite allot thats something hes lacking badly
@@Hi_itsRaph At the end of the day it would only impact a few match ups (mostly depending on input) and doesn't fix any of the problems
@@K-Wiss what would u say are his problems apart from the piss tracking? i think him having a 15 while rising launcher would pretty much complete him being a character who has everything
@@Hi_itsRaph mid-long range control
Yes allow people to punish backlash if you do react It’s not my fault for punishing a normal whiff and getting launched for it because oops it’s backlash.
yea, just like what JDCR said in his video - The very weak character returns, Hwoa only has fee safe mid the rest are weak
Right that’s it, FT10 GRUDGE MATCH between kwiss & majin… if majin wins hwaorang is the best character in the game, If kwiss wins he’s bottom tier.
SS a hunting hawk is extremely easy
Majin:”Has good tracking.” *proceeds to do hwo’s arguably best 2 moves DF/4 and BackLash which are both homing*
Kwiss:”Good tracking? Good tracking? Good tracking?”
Down 44 crush high moves
If we're relying on d4,4 as our high crush we really are in the trenches
Man when i was 12 I thought d4, 4 was op, good times
American hwo players are pretty lol. There is an entire cadre of them in Seattle that main him and think he's garbage. It's funny to watch.
I love Lil Majin so much, but this analysis was all over the place. Wish he was prepared for this. I think his opinion would be different if he knew the character better
Mehn shut up
This [character name] is bad because I'm bad at the character. This [character name] is good because I'm bad at fighting this character.
90% of character discourse. :D
Example: Hwoarang is good (cause I suck at dealing with his pressure or with heavy pressure in general) and Anna is bad (cause I picked up too many bad habits in teal-green ranks and now I'm suffering in yellow-orange).
That last part is what I argue with people. When someone mentions a character that they don't like needs a nerf, even though the character isn't top tier, I'm like, " k, but what would you change?" And they give the most ridiculous answer that would undoubtedly kill said character. I had the dumbest answer to my question and I had to stop responding to messages like that cause it hurt my brain so much. Just admit you don't know the match-up and move on. Granted, this is through the eyes of mediocre players. I wouldn't say that to high level players. I'm nowhere good to play at a high level and the same can be said about my opponents. So when I hear complaints about the characters I play, I just don't take it seriously anymore.
He wasn't contradicting himself. He was saying the character isn't weak it's just that the players who use them are weak because they play a certain way and if its beaten they don't adjust. I can sya this is the same for ling players. However, this mostly applied to mid tier or low high tier players. If you are a pro, it's a totally different story. I think Majin was pertaining to most casual players rather than pros.
Rare Lil Majin L
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What’s the L here ? Huh just shut up man rare L whattt?
@@kingboms2691 1) Idk you so chill with your reckless talking
2) It’s a rare L because Majin has very linear way of looking at Hwoarang and this video very clearly depicted that. I like Majin a lot but this ain’t it
Lol man please dont say damage problems with hworang every character has some problems but hworang s deffinetly not damage
conclusion : hwoarang is the worst character in the game
just nerf backlash. That shit is mad cheap
It can get launched.. just gotta be ready for it.. it is locked behind a stance.. that can be used to your advantage
I love you wiss, but you just get too salty when someone talks about your char. just looking at him like he saying only stupid stuff when he didn't it isn't that effective.🤣
You're right I did just look at him like he was only saying stupid stuff which is why the first comment I made in response to what Majin was saying was agreeing with his point on Hwoarang downplayers
@@K-Wiss one comment despite an entire video bruh. Is like saying (I'm not racist but...)
@@badgrandpa8506 That's a terrible analogy but I only use that example because it's literally the first one in the video and anyone that noticed the video should have noticed it because of that (many people leave comments without watching 10% of a video video so I don't bother referencing past like the first 5 minutes in the first place)
@@K-Wiss you are just taking my comment too seriously. like I know that you really didn't think that everything that majin said was stupid, but just that sometimes you get too salty, exaggerating concepts. but is the same that majin said basically, saying that hwo is perfect(not true). the truth in my opinion is in the middle. 🤪
I commented on that video and said you were to blame for the Hwo downplay lmao.
It's funny cause he is downplaying King.
When has he downplayed King? He's admitted that King is strong in multiple videos, especially with his mixups when you're on the ground.
Majin thinks that king is top tier whereas most people place him at mid tier at best. Though I guess when King is played by Lil Majin calling him top tier is fair enough.
"It's funny cause he is downplaying king"
And here we have a case of chronic "idk wtf I'm talking bout" syndrome
I think we can agree hwo is the worst character in the game and kwiss still winning twt
Kings lows - alley kicks 50/50 strings, ff2, df4 that looks like another jump kick on start of animation (and only Leroy can punish this well), 2 ARMOR jumps that can be use into combo and wall pressure, and cd low launcher.
Hwo's lows - d3 (no ch) with guaranted 4 for flamingo stance, db3 like fastest low poke that have no ch launch that have 12 damage and mush slowly than many lows of a strong characters.
Looks like Hwo is OP.
Sry but i dont wont to look this video more. I thinked that Lil good guy.. But its like TMM (kaz main with very strong 50/50 from normal) talked about scary 50/50 of Hwo. Sometimes i think that all that ppls are cheaters or just want to trolling. Idk how can really strong players with 10k hours of tekken said that sh*t.
Ofcose Hwo can beat many characters, like any other characters. But its a character from T3. How can it be UNDERRATED, if anybody know him?
This man said hwoarang has damage problems 😂😂😂 must be trolling
This man is the king of the kings ,Top 3 EVO 2018 and he’s been playing tekken more then ur entire existence kido, the question is who the FK r you?
They asked me to watch a quarter way through a @k-wiss video . I’d rather die
Good to know
Just don’t watch it then?
You don’t have to be here and watch this go watch something else if you wanna. We do not care.
(Sad seal gif) He was forced to watch a K-Wiss video.
Nobody asked you to do a goddamn thing, you chose to waste your own time. Take your dramatic ass somewhere else then.