Is 'till death do us part' in the Bible? Lagman, Marcoleta debate in plenary
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- Two of the fiercest debaters in the House of Representatives--Albay 1st district Rep. Edcel Lagman and SAGIP Party-list Rep. Rodante Marcoleta--found themselves arguing whether or not the phrase "till death do us part" can be found in the Bible.
This took place in plenary session Monday night, March 11 during the period of interpellation on the proposed Aboslute Divorce Act. Lagman sponsored the potentially landmark measure.
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Sana lahat ng member ng Congress e ganito ka sensible at gentleman. Sarap makita na seryoso sila sa pag interpellate, inacknowledge ang isat isa, nagkakamayan at ngumiti pagkatapos. I figured it was very professional.
Respect to both!
Interpellate po
No way in the Philippines!
Remember this folks, that The Divorce Law is an "Evil Seed" for our Constitution.
Why? Because it is a temptation of a strong desire to commit fornication that will lead to beget an offspring of an evil society (Very Dangerous).
To seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is a very difficult task, but there is no other choice for the seeker of Truth and Holiness.
Iesus est via, veritas et vita...
Yes, very unlikely pag nasa Senado, yong iba sa Senado, pag nagsalita parang hindi nag iisip. Ngawa lang ng ngawa.
Matthew 19:9
At sinasabi ko sa inyo: sinumang ihiwalay ang kanyang asawang babae, maliban sa pakikiapid ang dahilan, at mag-asawa ng iba, ay nagkakasala ng pangangalunya.[a] At ang mag-asawa sa babaing inihiwalay ay nagkakasala ng pangangalunya.”
This is a good debate,a debate of ideology and respect
dapat talaga tulad ni Rep Marculeta ibinobota natin.
All Praise Glories and Honour are Yours Almighty Father. You are in control of all Your creations. Your Words is a Double Edge Sword. God cannot be mocked. Grant swift intervention for justice mercy and peace we pray in the Name of our Lord Jesus 💖🙏🙏🙏
dapat Ang inyong pag usapan Kong pano makuha Ang tubig at kuryente para sa taong bayan seguro.matuwa pa kami sa inyo taxes ng taong bayan pira na taxpayer
@@ramonereno3450legislator yarn?
Omg! I now love them both, so much reapect to each other.. sana ganun dn ibang mambabatas
Iba talaga Ang iglesia ni manalo
Mali na naman a women when she become widow will not be married again
Sabi nga ni moses bawal pero pwede na dahil matitigas mga ulo natin😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@rizzaluzan5718eksakto si moses lang ang pumayag pero hindi ang dyos. Ligaw kasi ang mga kulto
Both of guys are so Good ❤Done Well ❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Amen
Mateo 19:5-6
[5]At siya rin ang nagsabi, ‘Dahil dito'y iiwan ng lalaki ang kanyang ama't ina, at magsasama sila ng kanyang asawa at sila'y magiging isa.’
[6]Hindi na sila dalawa kundi iisa, kaya't ang pinagsama ng Diyos ay huwag paghiwalayin ng sinuman.”
Tnx bro for sharing that verse to us. Matagal ko Ng alam Yan ukol sa aral Ng Bible sa batas Ng pag aasawa. Di ko lang maalala Ang verse. Tnx Ng marami.
Sana ma approve Yan Ang divorce law. Kase Marami Din nagkamali pagpili Ng mapapangasawa.. lumalabas lang Ang tunay na ugali Ng bawat Isa kapan kayo ay naikasal na at nagsama na.😂😂 Kaya go Yan Ang divorce approve speaker Lagman
@@rs-mol4391payag Naman po Ang diyos na maghiwalay qng talagang hindi magkasndo, subalit nadun parin Ang batas Ng diyos. "Kung hihiwalay Anya sa asawa manatili syang walang asawa, Kung Hindi Anya makatiis makipagkasundo sa asawa" ibig sabihin mamuhay ng walang asawa o karelasyong iba pa o sinuman. Qng humiwalay sa asawa tapos nakipag relasyon sa iba pa tapos na nasa ilalim na ng kamalian o pagkakasala Ang Sabi Ng diyos "datapuwa't Kung Ang asawa'y mamatay, ay kalag na ang tali ng kautusan" Ang sabi pa Ng diyos, " napopoo't ako sa diborsiyo"
ang layo silay magiging isa iyan ba ay hanggang kamatayan , paano kung may lihim na lalaki pala asawa mo marcoketa may talata sa bibliya lumayo ka sa masasama sinabi ba na hanggang kamatayan subrang pasikat kasi
pano ung kinasal samayor or s huwes? applicbale pa rin ba yan?!
Masarap makinig sa mga taong nagtatagisan ng talino walang halong poitika respect to both of you..
Luke 16:18
Ang bawat humihiwalay sa kanyang asawang babae at nag-asawa ng iba ay nagkakasala ng pangangalunya, at ang nag-aasawa sa babaing hiniwalayan ng kanyang asawa ay nagkakasala ng pangangalunya.
Talino ? Si Markolekta matalino ?
Pag isali d2 sina quibuloy at villanueva mag iiba na usapan😅😅
KUNG NABUBUHAY SI SORIANO LALABAS LAHAT NG KATOTOHANAN
Hindi pwede si Robin sa ganyan🤣
Iba tlga mga oldies but intelligent congressmen. Masarap pang makinig pag ganito ang debate. May talino at respeto sa isa't isa. Unlike sa senado puro mga pa grand standing. Naninigaw at wlng mga modo.. kairita makinig 😊😊😂
Half ata ng senators hindi nakatapos. Pano ka magkakaron ng magandang debate sa ganong environment? 😅
Lagman puro kontra yan.
Magagaling na mga abogado masarap pakinggan walang sigawan pero matatalim at malaman na mga salita binibitawan kudos sa inyong dalawa
Idle left😂😅😊
Mas magaling si Tulfo😂
Larry Gadon left the chat
@@commentator9730 Tama po kayo
MY DIOS NA PLA SA KONGRESO SANA PG PALAIN KAU MGA ALAGAD AT ILAYO KAU SA MGA TUKSO NG MGA KORAPSYON ALILUAAH ..AMEN AMEN..
No way in the Philippines!
Remember this folks, that The Divorce Law is an "Evil Seed" for our Constitution.
Why? Because it is a temptation of a strong desire to commit fornication that will lead to beget an offspring of an evil society (Very Dangerous).
To seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is a very difficult task, but there is no other choice for the seeker of Truth and Holiness.
Iesus est via, veritas et vita...
DIOS ANG NAGLAGAY SA CONGRESO BATA MAG ARAL KA KASI SA BIBLIA
Saan mababasa ang congreso sa bible???
SI MARTIN ROMUALDEZ LANG NMAN ANG DEMONYO JAN SA CONGRESS AT MARAMI SYANG NAKOMBINSING MGA KASAMA NYA 😂😂😂
D katulad sa senado pro criminal yata karamihan doon?
Mas prinoprotektahan pa ung rapist kesa biktima😢
Wow! Biblical Man!!!
This is what we referred to as genuine mambabatas. Well-informed and mutually respectful.❤
Matthew 19:6
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Matthew 5:31-32 “It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
- all because of •”SIN”• that the beautiful design for marriage can be messed up.
What had God joined together......?
Sobrang tagal na po hiwalay as husband and wife dahil sa mapang abusong asawa. How they keep let together? Are you let yourself to die from the hands of your husband? Of course not you need to make a way to get out and not coming back anymore that is why some people begging to have divorce because if we all have beautiful marriage no one want Divorce,
@@asianjoyphilippines panahon nang ating Panginoon Pwedi mag divorce pero hindi pwedi magpakasal muli maliban kung may isa sa inyo patay na pero rason mo lang mag divorce kasi magpakasal sa iba its a big no a sin is a sin once nag kasal na kayo sa altar you became one flesh
Marcoleta is just an ahole 😅
Sana ganito katalino mga senador😂
Agree!!!😂😅😊
Wag ka NG mangarap😂😂😂, it's majority wish😂
hindi matalino si marcoletta, nakikisakay lang yan, corrupt din yan, si lagman pwede pa,
Si Marcoleta ba yung matalino? 😂😂
@@iangee5664 kung nakakaintindi ka OO, kung hate mo siya cguradu di siya matalino para sayo😊
I agree with you Atty Marcoleta. God’s standards stand. God does not change. Only people change!
Hindi till death do us part but what God hath join together let no man put asunder.
5 and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." (Matthew 19:5, ESV)
Matthew 5:31-32 “It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
… dahil parin po sa “Sin” kaya masisira ang maganda sanang design ng marriage.
@@Gargeler agree. ang iba kasi selective sila.
@@Gargeler
isama mo na rin ang 33.
"Again, you have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, 'You shall not swear falsely, but carry out the vows that you have made to the Lord."
You can file devorce if your wife commits adultery, but then again, you cannot remarry bcoz, otherwise you committed an adultery. Both couple made their vows in front of the Lord, so breaking your vows is a sin.
@@GoodManners143 so your are implying lahat nang nag divorce is going to hell?
Lagman! Very sensible.
Salute to u sir, Congressman Lagman.
huh? hahahaha mga boploks
mga boplaks !! magsama kayo nila lagman !! ingat kayo sa Diyos masama syang magalit !!
Dapat ang ginamit ni Cong. Marcoleta ay Mateo 19:5-6 at Malakias 2:16 saling BSP
But Marcoleta was more sensible, articulate and factual.
Best of the Brightest!
The gentlemen lawmakers and lawyers are both truly brilliant and articulate in emphasizing their point of view on the subject matter: " till death do us part". But who will judge who is correct or not except the owner of the word being quoted and that is the Almighty Father in heaven. That is why, judgement will be upon us all in the future. In this particular case we need the help of the Seer as appointed by Him in the true Church of GOD which is written in the verses of the Bible 11 times.
I strongly suggest to all gentlemen and respectable lawmakers and lawyers to view that part where the late Brother Eli Soriano explained this matter in one of his Bible Exposition. Thank you and God bless us all.
Ganito sana yung mga personalidad sa senado may sense kung mag debate di gaya ng iba na kailangan pang gumawa ng tula
❤😂😂😂 daming walang alam sa senado
meron nga nag SUSUKLAY ng BIGOTE ang lag ng SAHOD
Hindi po Senator itong debate na ito. Philippine Assembly (‘House of Representatives’) po.
Nandyan lahat ang paliwanag tungkol sa mag asawa at solo, 1Cor.7:1-40
Ganun sna mga lawmakers when debating in d plenary very cordial and respectful after all you ought to show reverence before d public saludo kami sa nyong dlawa..till death do us part""sna maging priest kyong dlawa dhil well explain nyo about divorce law,hope n pray God's law n precepts must be sustained...Amen!!
Sana ganitong klase ng Politko.meroon sa Pilipinas
Been there, done that. Got an annulment, but was too difficult and expensive just to get it. Without divorce, I prefer to live now in cohabitation.
They need to make annulment less costly or even subsidize it for cases of abuse.
...then u r n violation of Divine Law
@@rolandocustodio6995 Divine law? What happened to separation of church and state? If you want divine law you should live in Saudi where sharia law reigns...
galing, gusto ko talaga debate ng HOR kaysa sa senado.
Wala e makata Yung mga nasa senado
Sa senado hindi sila gumagawa ng batas bagaman trabaho nilang gumawa ng batas halos nilalabag nila ang batas, magaling sila mag contempt kung magsabi sila ng totoo ano ng nangyari sa pharmally, sa drughole, sa lotto, smni, philhealth, quiboloy nakakulong nsba? O puro lang ysbang at kasinungalingan ni virus
ly, sa drug hole investigation, lotto,
Marami kasing mangmang sa Senado. Naboto dahil popular silang actor o pulis o mayor.
Itong dalawang nagdedebate e parehong may pinagaralan at parehong abogado. Kaya ang mga salita at arte nila ay parang nasa korte sila. Kaya parehong kagalanggalang na lalaki.
kung wala man sa bible ang mag asawa ay sumumpa sa harap ng altar o sa harap ng DIYOs at kung ano man ang tinangap ng tao ay tinatagap ng ating Diyos.
Matthew 19:6-9 speaks about marriage,divorce, and the intention of marriage in the beginning.
This is very good debate nkakabilib sa a ganito sa senado .buhay n buhay ang respect.
Takutan yung sa senado.😂
I think this is a high time to discuss and discourse this subject "divorce". Maging logical/rational, biblical man sa usaping ito sana pag usapan na ng masinsinan
The Gentleman Congressman Lagman, hahahaha! Bugoy gyud...
Kanang "Divorce Law, padulong na' sa Uwag-uwag!" hahaha! Hastang Yawa-a!
No way in the Philippines!
Remember this folks, that The Divorce Law is an "Evil Seed" for our Constitution.
Why? Because it is a temptation of a strong desire to commit fornication that will lead to beget an offspring of an evil society (Very Dangerous).
To seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is a very difficult task, but there is no other choice for the seeker of Truth and Holiness.
Iesus est via, veritas et vita.
dapat nakasalig parin Tayo sa biblia Kasi Ang DIOS ANG NAG MAMAY ARI LAHAT ANUMAN ANG BAGAY SA MUMDO
Read the Bible, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Ang pinagsama ng dyos ay hindi pwedeng paghiwalayin. Pero hindi lahat ay pinagsama ng diyos.
Then who decides if one's marriage is not blessed by God?
Ito ang magandang debate hendi nag sisigawan, nakangiti bawat isa
CORRECT
Matatalino at mabubuting tao talaga to si Marcoleta at Lagman.
Lagman - yes.
Kung pinaiiral ang Word of God sa pagsusulong ng mga batas ng bansa, tiyak na tayo'y pagpapalain.
Kudos to both congressmen. They showed much respect in deliberating the issue.
simple lang, if you're a believer, then don't have divorce. but let those who are not believers have that choice. kung kristyano ka, edi wag ka makipagdivorce pero wag mo tanggalan ng choice ang ibang tao.
Tama
Tama po ipasa nyo na po Ang divorce para maging maayos na Ang mga taong matagal na gusto mamuhay Ng maayos at may peace of mind.makalaya na sa nakatali na kasal sobrang tagal Ng hiwalay
I agree po.
How should we define "death"? Literal death? Death of the relationship? A lot of things can die in a relationship; respect, love, trust etc.
basic lang interpretation ng death jan. pag nawalan ng hininga death yun. no need to interpret the bible out of context
Haha nililigaw nya na😂😂
😂😂😂
@@TheCourtRoomScenes true!!
Kaya ang pag aasawa dapat pinag iisipan munang mabuti at pag aralan ang mga katangian ng mapapangasawa 🎉 hindi lng yung bugso ng dmdamin 😅 ang basehan
The phrase "till death do us part" is not directly found in the Bible. However, a similar sentiment is expressed in various verses, such as in Romans 7:2-3 (NIV): "For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man." This verse illustrates the lifelong commitment of marriage until death separates the spouses.
No to divorce kaya huwag basta2 na lang magpakasal coz it's a lifelong commitment... That's the essence...
they're enjoying their rhetorical match, this is for the divorce bill sponsored by congressman lagman. may the legislative group cast their votes what's closer to the truth.
Lagman does truly make sense. The other cong has a different interpretation of the bible verse.
Romans 7:2-3 NLT
For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
The Gentleman Congressman Lagman, hahahaha! Bugoy gyud...
Kanang "Divorce Law, padulong na' sa Uwag-uwag!" hahaha! Hastang Yawa-a!
No way in the Philippines!
Remember this folks, that The Divorce Law is an "Evil Seed" for our Constitution.
Why? Because it is a temptation of a strong desire to commit fornication that will lead to beget an offspring of an evil society (Very Dangerous).
To seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is a very difficult task, but there is no other choice for the seeker of Truth and Holiness.
Iesus est via, veritas et vita.
Read the following verses, and you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable, and no law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion (Article II, Section 6 of the Constitution).
Read the following verses, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
That's very good advice honorable Marcoleta
The most volatile reference for argument against divorce are not biblical. More on social.
💯 agree Ako Jan na ipaliwanag Kona Jan sa comment ko. Iyan Ang points ko Jan.
tama
can the separation of state and the church be applied to this matter?
Yes and its always separate even in marriage. That is why even you are annulled by the court you must still apply for church annulment as it is not automatic.
No, because all of their statement was based on their individual principle not for the entire country. If the congressman is a Muslim, he will also give a statement based on Muslim principle.
The Gentleman Congressman Lagman, hahahaha! Bugoy gyud...
Kanang "Divorce Law, padulong na' sa Uwag-uwag!" hahaha! Hastang Yawa-a!
No way in the Philippines!
Remember this folks, that The Divorce Law is an "Evil Seed" for our Constitution.
Why? Because it is a temptation of a strong desire to commit fornication that will lead to beget an offspring of an evil society (Very Dangerous).
To seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is a very difficult task, but there is no other choice for the seeker of Truth and Holiness.
Iesus est via, veritas et vita.
@@trojanhorse9338 does it mean that the belief of a muslim congressman applies to the state as well?
@@pinoyrep9182 yes if they want to join discussion but at the end of debate still all congress will vote.
Tama po. dpo Pde mag asawa kung buhay pa ang asawa ng bawat Isa. Kasalanan po sa mata ng Diyos. Pero ndi po Yun words na Yun ang nkasaulat if am not mistaken.
Yes to divorce law.
Bkit para makahanap ka uli ng bagong partner at pagka hindi mo na nman nakasundo divorce uli gagawin mo
Suma total bawal ang divorce sa paningin or batas ng dios
Hindi po, nasa Biblia po na pwede po and divorce dahil sa “Kasalanan”. Matthew 5:31-32.
@@Gargeleranong bible yan source mo? Trust me bro? O sadyang mababaw lang pag kakaintindi mo sa verse na yan?
@@hollygrand2211 “It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Matt 5:31-32
Dahil parin po yan sa “SIN” kaya sira ang design ng marriage para sa tao.
May mga iba pa po na verse tongkol sa divorce, pero ang subject parin po ng Bible ay ang marriage ay example lang po yan, na design ang marriage dahil sa “Church at si Jesus”, end times, kung saan mag iisa sila. Example at reminder lang po sa tao ang marriage, kase parehas parin po na makasalanan ang tao.
@@Gargelerhindi mo nagets comment mo jusko... Search mo sa tagalog baka magrts mo 😂
@@hollygrand2211di nya gets comment nya tol 😂
True i also read that too
Certainly! The phrase "till death do us part" is a commonly used vow in modern wedding ceremonies to express the idea of a lifelong commitment between partners. While this specific wording may not be explicitly found in the Bible, the concept of marriage as a sacred and permanent union is reflected throughout biblical teachings.
Kung yan ang susundin bakit may Disolution of marriage? Bakit, nagkaroon ng annulment kung yan ang basihan? So dapat, di ipinasa ang annulment? Kung yan ang susundin.
Annulment means marriage is invalid...by context no marriage happens.
just to clarify lang din po ang meaning kasi ng annulment of marriage is that it is a declaration na walang nangyaring "true" marriage sa mata ng batas (ng tao at ng Diyos) from the very beginning kahit pa may nangyaring ritual. Ito'y sa kadahilanang merong kahit isa sa mga requirements ng valid marriage na Hindi nasunod. halimbawa na nito ay ang "total freedom of consent" sa pagpapakasal. yung mga napilitan lang sa maraming kadahilanan at mapatunayan nila ito sa civil court at sa ecclesiastical court maaaring ma annul ang kanilang kasal na ang ibig sabihin walang tunay na kasal na nagyari simula't simula pa lang. Ito ang dahilan kung bakit hindi salungat sa Salita ng Diyos ang Annulment.
Annulment ibig sabihin from the start hindi valid yung kasal. Example: hindi inamin ng isa na may hidden agenda's sya or may mga secrets na malalim which never told to other party and have been discovered after marriage. Ang divorce kasi kahit valid yung kasal ipapawalang bisa mo vs. annulment na yes kinasal nga pero may reason to invalidate yung kasal and yung reason nung invalidation ng kasal ay before marriage not after marriage.
and of course when you file annulment it doesn't mean maiinvalidate na agad yung kasal. may process yun and ang judge ang magdidistinguish base sa evidence.
Just to share my experience. Annulled sa pilipinas at divorce abroad. Kaya ko nasav na same. All the process specially in ph. Family lawyer, ground of disulorion of marriage is a lot, the famois is psychologucal incapacitated. It's means, sa ibang tao kaya mobg i prove ung pagiging asawa kaso pag sa asawa mo is hindi mo kaya. So it's not mula umpisa is null and void ang kasal niu. Pag na grant ang annullement niu, dun pa lang magiging null and void. At same yan and ibig sabin nila ay pag hiwalayin ang 2 kasal na tao sa mata ng dios o batas. Same lang annulment at divorce. Kasi na experience ko yan 2 yan. Kau na experience ba yan? O sa youtube lang.
Ruth 1:17 " till death do us part" it is on relation of Naomi and Ruth, as a mother in-law of Ruth. How much more on Marriage!
Sana magkaroon nang debate na di lang Bibliya kundi ano na talaga ang nangyayari sa ibang bansa na dala nang diborsyo.
Maraming kabataan ang nababaliw at nawawala sa landas.
😊❤
Laban ng matatalino.debate..
Kung sa korte yan, sasabihin ng judge- approach the bench para pokpokin ang ulo ng swetik. Di ko na sasabihin kung sino ang swetik sa dalawa, dahil alam mo naman din unless swetik ka din.
It is not a battle of wise people. One qouted the bible already, but the other one is blind and refuses to believe in the bible.
its ridiculous to win argument against a smartassidiot
as its stupid enough to start with
just as you don't discuss Christianity to godless pro-Communists
@@filipinocaress-xi5pq now that I re-watched the video, I think this is not an argument of Christian and an atheist. It is an argument of two people who doesn't read the bible often.
The "christian" who cited the bible verse, opposes divorce law.
While the "atheists" (in your words "godless") , is the one whos inclined to divorce law.
Infact, it was the "christian" who is wrong, because he believe ONLY after the death of either spouse can the other remarry, as it was said in the bible.
However, the bible also make exceptions. Jesus did PERMIT divorce, on grounds of sexual immorality(Mathew 5:31-33).
@@lizCon3304 just preposterous and funny for a pro-communist citing or looking for a bible verse
We are not a religious entity naman
True. Front lang ang "religious" but we are not.
Ang pinag isa nang Diyos ay hindi pwedeng paghiwalayin nang tao.matatagpuan yan sa aklat nang Genesis.kaya ang buong sanlibutan ngayun ay "in the system of error".masyadong degraded na ang pinapairal na batas ngayun.
@@salacnibdagupion2760 Marriage does not necessarily mean the marriage is blessed. Kung ganun, edi sana walang problema ang pilipinas dahil super blssed ito. But no.
@@salacnibdagupion2760hahaha 😂😂😂😂 please don't mix your bloody rubbish to our legal system. Religion shouldn't be our basis to govern our country
Allowed po ang divorce mismong pinahintulotan eto ng bible.
" Till death do us part " is only applied if both husband and wife love and respect each other if not..... the answer is No
Pero diba dapat hiwalay ang church sa states.
no
Governments are set up by God, only man separated it.
❤lagmam
Puntahan po din Ang 1 Cor.7:27
Genesis 2:24, which states, "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."
Read the following verses, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Yes to divorce law
Yes ka sa divorce kc para makapag asawa ka uli ng bago..
Hindi naman dahil nakikipag divorce ang babae eh gusto ng magasawa ng iba? Di ba pwedeng ayaw mo na magpasakop sa asawa mo na nambbugbog, batugan, dika nirerespeto. Ano tiiisin na lang gang mamatay?
may annulment naman.. pwede naman siya aalis nang di na kailangan ng divorce....
ang problema nito if ipilit natin ang divorce, aabusuhin yan ng karamihan lalo na ng mga lalaki... may divorce naman pwede ako makakatikim ng maraming babae at pwede lang pabayaan pagkatapos kasi may divorce..mawawala ang sanctity ng Marriage
Baka nakalimutan mo Ng kinasal ka.na kamatayan lang ang mag hihiwalay sa mag Asawa Yan Ang binangit ni Father😂😂😂😂
May batas po para sa mga abusive husband, so divorce is not an answer. Divorce is clearly only for married husband and wife who's falling out of love, and falling in love with someone else. It's negative effect ay mapupunta at mararanasan nang mga anak nang couple. "Divorce is also for my kids and not just for myself". Really? So you think magiging masaya ang mga anak mo na malalaman nilang divorce na ang mama't papa nila? Oo pwede sila maging masaya sa piling lalo na kung ang rason nang divorce is abusive ang papa nila. But may batas na po para sa ganun. May VAWC po tayo. Pero kung ang dahilan is dahil hindi mo na mahal asawa mo at may mahal ka nang iba, gago ka, mas iisipin mo sarili mong kaligayahan kesa sa mga anak mo? Alam mo ba ganu kasakit para sa isang anak na dalhin ang burden na ganun? na hiwalay papa't mama niya? ang sakit sa bata para maranasan niya ang isang broken family, example na lang yan sa US, daming batang nag rerebelde, nagiging abusive paglaki, because of having a broken family.
@@justinopasaring3232 so what do you suggest in exchange?
May alimony sa divorce pag american format ang ginaya natin.
Alimony is the money na nakuha galing sa asawa na mas malaķi sweldo.
Every month hahatiin ang sweldo.
Example: sikat na artista female artist, dahil malako sweldo, pera nya ang hahatiin
Gagamitin cympre ang alimony na yan ng mister kada buwan. Pwedeng gamitin yung pera ni girl pambayad sa lawyers lalo na pag custody ng anak.
Di po ganun ka simple ang divorce kung american system ang gagayahin natin dahil hahatiin ang pera.
Ayaw ko nyan. Pag sweldo ko sweldo ko
Kaya nga totoo ang kasabihan , ang pag aasawa ay hindi parang kanin isusubo na pag napaso ay iluluwa mo n lng
Yes to divorce bill! Hindi po ito against sa Bible
Natawa ako sa homily.
Dapat ang kasal parang LTOPF na every 10 years mag-expire, at e-renew na lang nila kung gusto pang magpatuloy.
Matthew 19:4-6
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Wow!! Very nice debate..both were very respectful kaya smile ang ending..😂😂😂 Pareho magagaling, but kay Cong. Marcoleta ako.
are we a theocracy?
Christ believer po ako ewan ko Lang po sainyo
I'm against Divorce not because we are a catholic or because we are the last catholic country other than the Vatican to do so (F$@# Catholicism or Islam or any religion... it's not about religion)
I'm against Divorce because it over simplifies breaking up the family structure.
And it also overlook the way marriage teaches the other generations the importance of family planning
Lack of sense of community and failing mental health sa west is a result of lacking of stable family structure sa kanila, we don't have to follow what is failing.
Respect the spouse getting them new happiness and life goals
Why divorce? Do not marry if u r not sure and if u see divorce from d beginning.
Grabe tanda na nito lito pa rin sa laman ng bibliya.
Ikaw alam mo ba ang lahat ng Bible
lito? where?
parralel debate will be endless should be dismissed. waste of time Bible belong to church not in Senate.
Word of God belongs to each and everyone and even in senate. Goverment was establish by God not by human so what's the reason to excluded the word of Him on this debate?
@@jaytrinidad8819absolutely👌
I agree with Mr Lagman.
Word of God is truth and wisdom😊
1 Cor. 7:39-40 till death us part
Read the following verses, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Palusot ,,, Yung mga makipag hiwalay Hindi pinayagan Yun na mag asawa ulit na katulad Ng itinutulak sa divorce law
Sana binasa yong "napopoot Ang Diyos sa Deborsyo"
Matt 19:9 ESV And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
By the word 'except' itself meaning there is divorce
@@catherinebeltran7206 yes
Karamihan kasi sa senado nakaupo dahil sa name recall or sikat sila. Kaya ayun majority sa senate mga ewan!
binasa ni marcoleta, sa ibang newsfeed, maigsi lang kasi tong video na to, may video sila mahigit 30 minutes... kabuuan ng kanilang debate .
God bless you both Leader Marcoleta and Lagman ❤❤❤❤
Dapat pagpapasok sa politika ganito katalino, nag aral talaga ng batas hindi yung artista lang naman tas wala namang alam
No to Divorce.. What has God united, no man can separate.
Divorce still is suggested in the bible all because of “SIN” , disrupting the design of marriage. Matthew 5:31-32. Lets not forget that “Sin” has caused much sorrow in this world and separately lets not forget that “marriage” is ultimately designed for the Church and Christ and in the topic of the end times where they are united. Marriage between man and woman is just an example, this is why it is not permanent.
kpag nanloko ang isa walang divorce haahaha
Kaya nga bago ka magpakasal siguruhin mo muna kung tamang tao pakakasalan mo. Di yung tira dito tira duon tapos pag narealize na mali divorce agad.@@alainepistola5878
They qouted bible verses but cut down to the important parts.
Read the following verses, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
It's till death do us part the explanation of 1 cor 7:39-40...
Romans 7:2-3 NLT
For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
@@cedrickjomero48231 chorinthians 7:15👉 but if the unbelieving depart let hem depart a brother or a sister is not under bondages in sus cases: bot God galh called us to peace.
@@cedrickjomero4823Mateo 19:9 basahin mo
@@escanorlionsin2689 Basahin mo kasi mula mateo 19: 3-9.
10Datapuwa't sa mga may asawa ay aking ipinaguutos, Nguni't hindi ako, kundi ang Panginoon, na ang babae ay huwag humiwalay sa kaniyang asawa.
11(Datapuwa't kung siya'y humiwalay, ay manatiling walang asawa, o kaya'y makipagkasundo sa kaniyang asawa); at huwag hiwalayan ng lalake ang kaniyang asawa.
12Datapuwa't sa iba, ay ako ang nagsasabi, hindi ang Panginoon: Kung ang sinomang kapatid na lalake ay may asawang hindi sumasampalataya, at kung kalooban niyang makipamahay sa kaniya, ay huwag niyang hiwalayan.
13At ang babaing may asawang hindi sumasampalataya, at kalooban niyang makipamahay sa kaniya, ay huwag niyang hiwalayan ang kaniyang asawa.
14Sapagka't ang lalaking hindi sumasampalataya ay nagiging banal sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang asawa, at ang babaing hindi sumasampalataya ay nagiging banal sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang asawa: sa ibang paraa'y ang inyong mga anak ay nangagkaroon ng kapintasan; nguni't ngayo'y mga banal.
15Gayon ma'y kung humiwalay ang hindi sumasampalataya, ay bayaan siyang humiwalay: ang kapatid na lalake o kapatid na babae ay hindi natatali sa mga ganitong bagay: kundi sa kapayapaan kayo tinawag ng Dios.
Wow very good debaters.
Bakit hindi tayo magdala ng mga biblical scholars and hermeneutic experts?
I gree to divorce Bill
1cor 7:39-40
Tama, yong context Dyan pinag uusapan ang bond sa kasal. Pero mayron Sa Bible na pwede mag divorce kung ang reason ay fornication at adultery ay pwede mag divorce. Pero Sabi sa Bible ay once nag divorce na ang mag asawa hindi na dapat mag asawa ang bawat Isa. Ibig sabihin panatilihin pagiging single Nila. Kasi kung mag asawa siya NG iba nag commit den siya NG kasalanan. Matthew 19.
Yan ang context Dyan. Sa ibang bansa dahil may batas sila na divorce ay pwede na sila mag asawa kahit nga mga kristiyano doon sa America, asawa panga ng pastor pinag sabihan ko den dito sa you tube kasi pwede na daw mag asawa. Ang totoo Talaga pagsinunod mo ang sinabi ng Bible, kahit may batas pa ang gobyerno na divorce at pwede mag asawa pero Sabi ng Bible panatilihin mopa den na wala Kang asawa. Maraming kristiyano ang palusot ang divorce Para makapag asawa ulit. 😢
Kasi ang Isa pang palusot ng mga kristiyano Dyan ay ang book of Romans13 na submit sa government, ang tanong sa mga kristiyano, sino ang tinangap sa Langit na bond sa kasal kung dalawang beses sya nga pakasal dito sa Mundo, pwede ba bawiin ng Dios ang unang vow Nila sa kasal tapos sasabihin ng Dios ay sige na kasi divorce kana ay ang pangalawang kasal mona ang tangap sa Langit, ganun6ba yon ang Dios natin? Hindi naman.
Honorable, Gentleman.. ❤❤❤
PARA SA AKIN HAPPY FAMILY AY DAPAT TALAGA SANA WALA DIVORCE
PERO SANA NAKITA DIN NG IBA KABABAYAN NATIN NA HINDI PO LAHAT BABAE O LALAKI AY HAPPY FAMILY, PAANO NAMAN PO ANG MGA TAO NA DUSA SA KANILA MGA PARNTNER AT MGA MATAGAL NA NAGHIWALAY ?...IS IT FAIR PARA IPAG KAIT SA KANILA MAGING MALAYA AT MAKAWLA SA TAONG MALING ITINADHANA?
Read the following verses, you'll know there is an EXCEPTION. Jesus permits divorce.
Here is Matthew 19:6-9 from the New International Version of the Bible:
"6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Good job, Cong Marcoleta! Very sensible argument.
Hindi porket ginagawa na ng buong mundo ay eto na ang tama o kaya eto ang makatwiran.
Magiging batas na yan, dont worry.
Kaya nga yan ginawa ng buong mundo dahil yan ang tama. Simple lng namn yan, kung ayaw mo makipag divorce edi wag pero dapat merong choice yung ibang mag asawa na mag divorce lalo na yung may pang aabuso.
Bopols ikaw kaya bugbugin ko
divorce is not for all,. pag di applicable sayo o d good, paano ung mga taong may kailangan?
@@cielstormbourne6394 sablay ang argumento mo...kung ano ang sinasabi ng biblia yun ang tama....
walang exact words na ganon sa bible.....😂😂😂😂
Romans 7:2-3 NLT
For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
Yun ang problema sa mga tao. Gusto letra por letra. Kaya nasisira ang pamilya dahil konting problema gusto hiwalay. Ganyan ang tao kapag walang Diyos sa kanyang puso
Tama...kagaya ng bible. Hindi din mababasa ang exact word na bible...but we believe that it is the Holy Scriptures..
Ang galing nila pareho matalino kahit magka salungat ng opinyon may respeto sa isa't isa
NOTHING CAN EVER SEPARATES US TO GOD'S UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR US IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD,TRUTH ,RIGHT, AMEN ❤️💯 ROMANS 8:38-39, MARRIAGE IS SACRED AND HOLY IT COMES FROM GOD WHO BIND WITH LOVE GOD LOVE IS THE GREATEST GIFT OF GOD TO MAN
Salute Congressman Lagman 💪👏
1 Corinthians 7:39-40
para kanino ba yung talata na yan. yan muna ang dapat linawin.
Comparatively, masyadong mabilis ang proseso sa divorce unlike sa proseso sa annulment, legal separation, etc. Di masyadong kikita ang government. Hence, to my mind, hindi pa rin pahihintulutan ang divorce law. Just my cup of tea!
Why merong annulment but walang divorce?
The Bible interprets the Bible
Mark 10:7-9
New International Version
7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[a] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[b] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Romans 7:2-3 NLT
For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
In every rule there is always an exemption. Matthew.5:32
Lagman is talking about the words of that sentence..he is not taking the bible words for the meaning in exact way..he wants that sentence (til death do us part)..
Both of them are civil and smart! i hope Marcoleta will side for what is right!
cong. marcoleta is right. hope that mr lagman will side for what is right.