Why Shredding Trees is the New Norm in California
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Most of the nuts, citrus, and grapes you eat come from California's Central Valley-some of the most fertile land in America.
But what happens when trees get old? Or what if a farmer wants to replace almonds with limes?
Enter McCahill Bulldozer Services! Their crews rip the trees from the earth, pile them up, and shred them into chips. Once shredded, they use enormous bulldozers to mix the chips into the soil to prepare for the next crop.
It's incredible work to watch!
If you want to see more of McCahill's daily adventures, check out their Instagram, linked below.
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My Dad purchased the first Vermeer tub grinder in the late 1990's. It's serial number was 0001. That was an awesome machine! I spent a couple of years working with it and a Komatsu PC200 clearing land and grinding wood waste.
Wow, that's super cool. I work there and see them built along with our more popular horizontal grinders every day. Any idea what model tub it was called?
A burning ban may seem silly but California’s Central Valley, especially the San Joaquin is subject to very stagnant air, especially in winter that produces “radiation fogs.”
After a winter storm passes through, the clear air and damp ground encourages an overnight ground fog which is slow to burn off, and just gets thicker night after night and is known as a “Tule Fog” with 1/10 mile visibility, that will persist until the next winter storm passes through, clears the air and re-starts the cycle. Add smoke form any source, and it just gets worse.
The Wasatch Front at Salt Lake City has the same problem, with freezing temperatures creating “ice fogs.”
I assumed it was just California trying to destroy civilization as usual, thank you for the explanation.
There is a german company, Jenz, who also makes large shredders for bio-material. They make the BA 1016 with over 800 hp, a very impressive machine as well. They also make self-propelled models which are mounted on truck chassis, with a loading crane for feeding the shredder and a turning cabin which can be facing forward for driving or to the rear for working. They are in Farming Simulator as well.
This machine has 2,000Hp big difference.
@@robbybachmann8061 Aaron mentioned that it's powered by a Cat C32, which is listed as having a maximum output of 1350hp.
@@robbybachmann8061 Now, i am not sure how Scrap-board-production is messured, but if it is roughly equal to the german unit Schüttraummeter, then this machine performs worse than the Jenz. The Peterson only manages 499 m³, while the Jenz manages 540 m³. And with a smaller engine, the Jenz probably also uses less fuel.
I ran a Morbark and a Peterson whole tree chippers in the woods making clean chips for paper mills. It was the hardest job I’ve ever had to learn. For months after I started I’d literally have nightmares about it and wake my wife up talking in my sleep about “vines”, “dull knives”, or “the debarker”. 😂
I wish these videos were 45mins of this action. Please make longer vids!!!
You only have one video over 45 minutes. Why aren't you doing the same?
That operator literally can say "Okay, back to the grind!" 😂😁🤟
I've seen the acres of dead trees in the Valley, sometimes pulled and piled up. This completes the picture.
Yup. "most fertile" valley in the US, but surely not fertile for long at this rate.
You read my mind with this video, been taking an interest in tub grinders lately
Similar to how we do it in new Zealand but once on the low bed we turn around and put the bucket on the ground for stabilty
I used to haul one of those grinders back and forth between 2 jobsites twice a month, the old guys in the yard could never figure em out & had to call me so it became my run 😆 Fun times!
Company here in Northern BC, Excel Transportation is using a fleet of these Hog Grinders to take logging slash and make hog for our energy plants.
The 6710 eats EVERYTHING. Its not uncommon to replace those teeth on the mill daily, depending on your feed stock.
Used to operate one of these and the massive stumps and shit we put through it we would check the teeth on the rotor at smoko and end of shift, replace or rotate and tighten
You need to do more stuff with the wood recycling industry and grinders.
The reason you load over the back isn’t because it’s faster than a normal low bed, it’s because this model trailer absolutely sucks to break down the neck. And good luck getting it back on on uneven ground like some construction sites without a ton of experience
Those trailers are built for that the neck is quick and easy to get off you can load them off level and when it's raining just have to plan for it
Man that grinder is awesome all of the equipment is cool I like that cat Dozer d10 was cool
I was camping near North Rim Grand Canyon and saw a Barko 937B going around on forest service land shredding trees. This went on for weeks. Much smaller machine than this (I'm seeing 300hp or so) and very different setup too, but I'm curious as to the reasons for doing it there. They were thinning, not fully clearing.
what you saw is likely forestry mastication, used to reduce (small diameter) tree density in forest stands that have not experienced the frequent, low intensity fires that they evolved with. Before mastication these stands probably had a high density of smaller trees from the lack of fire, which leads to increased danger for extreme fire events, as well as a general decrease in the health of the ecosystem.
Native Americans burned 10 million acres annually in california
I've operated a bandit , vermeer table grinders, plus are a dobstat processor.
5:55 try that in the winter with a feller buncher or D8. Fun stuff
We also load like that up here in Northern Ontario
Love your videos and your channel good sir.
Btw, you put that on there like a boss.
You guys need a bandit!!! they grind hard wood.. ALL day.. in the Australian Heat.. 40-50degrees C all day.
Very cool. Sure it costs more than burning, but it's way better for the soil to return the old trees to it
Not as much smoke as the old days. Now the whole valley just gets valley fever from the dust. Lol.
A couple of companies have been do this in california for over 30 years i worked for one
Which one, live in California as well and know a few
This is what the reclaimed hollerfill needs where I live…I watched em fill and slope it in the 80s and now trees are 24” 90’ tall but all junk wood and mainly autumn olive bushes size of trees…man mulch it into the soil or fall it all after cuttin the underbrush where it lays to rot and make a layer of better soil for our good trees like white oak,hickory, and maple to take back…big contrast on the edge where the reclaimed hillside is vs natural timber….i hike and hunt alot…
Great video. That looks pretty expensive. Does the state help with some of the costs?
How deep is the rip? How deep is the hard pan? How thick is the hard pan?
That Fendt sounds AMAZING
That's the thing. New Fendts don't sound like that.
@@Lexion95probably deleted
@@ethan12313 They still don't sound like that even when deleted.
@@ethan12313 You stand a better chance of being educated than that machine does being "deleted".
What’s up there being more time between videos dropping and the videos keep getting shorter?
I worked on one of those grinders last week
Nice video Aaron keep up the good stuff ! Can u confirm you locked the machine up before walking in his mouth !!? I know u may not be familiar with this idk but u could/must have ur padlock at ur seatbelt ready to lock stuff to walk in hot area !
One thing you didn't mention here is, how often do they do this?
can be several decades depending on crop
Depends on the crop but the usual cycle is 15-20 years
Depends on the tree but an orchard out there will normally go 25-30 years before they have to rip it out and start over. Once you replant then you have a 5-10 year wait for tree nuts before the orchard is productive again.
Almonds 15yrs+
Walnuts 30+ (market is weak, a lot are coming out)
Grapes (???)
Citrus 30+
Stone fruit 30+
Pistachios 50+
Your way behind the times! Been doing this for 20 plus years in Washington Oregon and California
Almond and Walnut prices are at the lowest point in decades. They are doing a lot of removal of old orchards, but are also removing a lot of good producing almonds because they are not turning a profit due to the market. In 2008-2010 farmers began planting almonds like crazy as the market was projected to boom - but new trees don't produce for 3-4 years. By 2014 the market hit it's peak and with all the new acres of almonds beginning to produce and be injected into the market, the price began to decrease - 2008 we had about 800,000 acres of almonds in CA - in 2021 there were over 1,650,000 acres - that number is now decreasing, being replaced by other more profitable crops.
We grind in BC🇨🇦also. Orchard tree burn piles are no more. 👍🍁🤙
⚓️ Thanks Aaron 😎 almond orchards??? Do almond undergo the same process? 🎶 GPS on the tractors? 🇺🇸
Yes almond orchards are the same process, gps was probably only on the Fendt
Along with asphalt milling machines these things make the ground shake and are loud
What is the idea behind loading that way? Just quicker than removing the neck?
Disconnecting the neck takes me about 2 minutes total so that’s not where I see the benefit. When you are picking equipment up off-road, the trailer tends to sink into the mud when loading unless you put blocking down, which can make it difficult to hook the trailer back up.
Also helps where there is limited access, you would need room for machine to get around truck or trailer to load so backing right up to machine is helpful.
Lastly, you should use mats or plywood when tracking over asphalt so this could limit the need for that considerably.
@@Treehandler thank you 👍
Takes less yard space for loading.
3:25 would hate to be downwind of that. Full of spores.
Call me skeptical but how could burning those trees put more pollutants in the air than the entire process of shredding, spreading and ripping it into the soil...
That would be a good question for the people that run California
Imagine if the machine fell over while loading with the door open , he’d look like the people in the titan sub
He was seat belted in
Longer vids please
Nice Fendt tractor
So all that diesel exhaust is better for the environment than wood smoke?
Much less exhaust then wood smoke, and air quality is the goal, not necessarily the environment
I used to run the next size down from that grinder the 5710 and a 330 on pipeline. we always side loaded both it takes about 20 seconds for the 330 and about 40 for the grinder. and for the sideload haters our trailers would get sideloaded 20 times a day with no issues.
Isn't it also much safer mixing the stuff into the soil vs setting things on fire?
only in california.
@@THEmadmikeismad california and the rest of the developed world
meanwhile the rest of america follow india, china and africa in the way they do things
@@vincentgrinn2665 And instead of doing it the cheaper way you get to pay for this $1mil machine, fuel, labor etc in the price of your produce, I hope the better air quality in the middle of nowhere is worth it.
@@jaycweingardt11God you're ignorant
@@jaycweingardt11 the cost to healthcare that crop burning causes is far more than the cost of the machines, 18,000 people die from crop burning smog in america every year, and it isnt just the middle of nowhere, that smog moves hundreds of miles
and its severe too, like you cant go outside without a mask otherwise youll choke kind of bad
You Have a way Cooler Job Than I Do 😂 My Days are Very very hard Muddy , Wet , Hot , Cold etc and the Fact that I have to work that job untill I'm a Old man in my Grave in order to Survive Blows My Mind sometimes .
While I understand the desire to keep smoke to a minimum…..and I do like the option of putting the carbon content back into the soil…..gotta wonder how restricting a relatively short lived fire compares to the diesel exhaust and dust (wood and dirt) kicked up by those massive machines. 🤔
I'm sure you did a hell of a good job because I never liked those things either I hated those Western floats I would sooner take the gooseneck off
Nah
Here we go again with CAT!
Aaron, we've been doing this in Alberta for at least 50 years, nothing new here.
Fresno County, California in 2023 produced more AG Income than 23 other States did. According to the US Department of Agriculture .
I’m guessing with all the dust from digging and moving all that material a few times plus all the diesel emissions, there probably isn’t a big air quality benefit compared to burning
Beautiful grinder but it seems kinda overkill for that little pile of brush.
They need it for the bigger walnut trees, these tree were citrus so not as big
Hey Aaron, my two-year-old son and I are big fans of your dirt world videos - they've really sparked our interest in heavy equipment. As a software engineer, I'm curious about your insights on AI applications in this industry. What do you see as the top AI (ChatGPT) use cases for the dirt world?
you can put a bunch of chicks in it and make them gay
So instead of smoke now they make dust and alot of it! Haha gotta love California.
What is a peecan?
Welcome to my neck of the woods
Can’t wait for the east coast Midwest clown’s comments on loading the trailer over the rear.
You must be the clown to ASSUME anything. LOL 😂
I'm a tad biased but the rotochoper b66 is a far superior machine
I always though that if you tilled chips it would kill soil life. Soil bacteria that thrive off carbon would decompose the chips, multiplying exponentially and saturating the soil with affixed carbon instead of nutrients. Best to leave the chips on top where they can retain moisture. But hey, I'm not the one getting the gov subsidies.
It kinda depends of the depth, quantity and quality I think. If it's high C/N wood, from trunks and old branches, tilling it in further than 4 inches leads to anaerobic conditions, the wood doesn't decompose at all, turns hard and grey, etc... Especially in low humidity conditions. And nitrogen hunger on top of it as you mentioned, that can go on for a looong time. Not a fan of this method either.
I'm surprised california doesn't have a power plant that can burn stuff like that.
We have loads of that, and burn wood from home demolitions. However the wood chips are great for the soil.
I used to take my urban wood to a local power plant for free. Now they charge $25 a ton and have a lot of restrictions. There is so much free wood being generated from the 100 million dead trees in the forest that there is way more than the power plants can burn. Plus even if they could it is cheaper to burn natural gas to generate energy than run a wood burning operation.
nice work. could you guys come to trinidad and tobago and show these llllooooooers in office how it's done.thank you.🙏
it would be cool if you could make the bckround music a bit louder so one can understand the someone talking better
Agreed, preferably loud enough to blow my speakers.
I’m here for the background music honestly
Ok keep the biomass onsite, seems sensible. Thanks
So… a cleaner solution that yeilds a better product. 🤷♂️
Another episode from the buildwitt Gang
That is stupid expensive
Good thing they’re not introducing any particulates into the atmosphere. Oh wait!
How much emissions are generated burning? And how much emissions are generated with all the diesel engines running around there?
That is the hardest thing on lowbeds there is and very unsafe because when you put steel aganist steel there are chanse of sliding off too the side with no control and a very good chance of damaging both lowbed and machine even hurting the operator a drop front lowbed is a lot safer than this operation !
Seems like they knew what they were doing. I’m assuming you’re not running millions of dollars worth of equipment. If it was bad they wouldn’t be doing it. It’s also what the trailer is designed for
I would think that California would require that your grinder be solar powered
I believe you would get a much better product if it was a down cut horizontal
What is a JEW-BRO-KNEE?
I didn’t know west coast had a style, wait till ocha here about this style big fat fraction and then the whole world has to pay for it,
Hi bro
This is what they call “Bio Fuel”
Mh. Bare soils, wind erosion, heavy tillage, heavy machinery, treeless drought-ridden soils on huge surfaces, into intensive monoculture. A recipe for success for the Californian soils.
Why people hate Sacramento. Instead of burning the trees and plowing the carbon and potash under for the next crop, you have to pay someone to grind them up. That is ONE additional cost. The SECOND additional cost is importing potash fertilizer that you used to get from the ash of your burn pile. There is no way to replace the benefit of the charcoal that you could plow in as well. This grinding may be good for "air quality" but given the diesel going into the air for grinding, transporting the potash, and the carbon from the charcoal being buried, it may not be green.
Little over kill running 6710 in that stuff dunno why owner would wanna burn that extra fuel for zero gain then running smaller grinder
Yeah you definitely know better than they do.
@@maxmyers1554 been running wood grinders for 10 years so yeah prob do
The wood chips are excellent for the soil. They soften heavy clay and also support mycorrhizal growth. It's not zero gain when you're growing trees for decades vs corn/soy/wheat for months.
wtf was that pronunciation of almond at 1:15
Biochar anyone???
More regulation that puts more cost on farmer who makes less and/or passes on cost to consumer. Also still uses fossil fuels to run the chipper and spreader.
yes, the goberment are idiots.
without the regulations against crop burning the cost would be higher and for everyone in the form of increased healthcare cost, burning crops causes significantly more issue than the diesel used to run the machines and also damages the soil
its pretty clear youve never had to deal with the air conditions that mass burning crops can spread into towns and cities. its the kind of conditions where you just dont leave the house for weeks, and if you have to leave then wearing a mask is mandatory otherwise youll end up choking
@@vincentgrinn2665govern me harder daddy 🐑
It’s pretty clear you have no clue who I am. Don’t assume. Kinda a pretty straight forward thing. Your gonna tell me burning debris is tied to healthcare cost? Wth are you talking about. That has nothing to do with healthcare cost. Healthcare cost are due to red tape around drug r&d, cost around drug r&d, Medicaid and medicare billed/charge rates , red tape for providers and provider entities, liability for said entities, rules and regulation, compliance with thousands of rules, regulations and mandates enacted by the government, overhead to comply with all of this. I could go on and on with this but I’m the one in this industry and you are not. Keep thinking its because we are burning tree waste while we mine rare earth minerals and shipping it all over the world to make your electric car or increasing power plant output to charge your EV or better yet regulate all the water in California so farmers can’t use it but complain about high food cost. It’s all full circle and comes back to over regulation passes on increased cost to consumers. Period.
@@PirateNation2005 youre angry and delusional, no point trying to explain things to you anymore
Air Quality my ass. the dust alone is worst than the smoke
RSK
Its a Mulcher
sad part... they take down perfect, healthy trees pass some years because they dont yield as much as they would for the matter of need to be trimmed and they grow taller....
Almond trees are naturally short lived, they are not perfectly healthy when taken down. The trees are routinely trimmed to keep them healthy and keep yields high.
It’s all about making money, why farm an older block of trees and barely break even. For farmers it’s about the best yield and coming off with a profit
One thing for you Yanks you don’t Fuk about, good to see.👍
So you cant burn it but you can burn tons of diesel fuel, co2 into the atmosphere is most likely more grinding and spreading.
ROFL, how is running a massive diesel engine for a few days better than burning??
Now in terms of carbon - with fossil fuels you take carbon from underground and move it to the air. Trees take carbon from the air and wood is mostly carbon. Burying that carbon back in the soil sends it back where it came from.
It's also not a few days, it's a few hours. The wood chips do wonders for the soil and that has made California the state with the most agriculture output.
You said a brand new Aztec grinder must be owned by a Mexican😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can’t burn wood but you can run few extra huge diesels engines a few hundred house to take care of what a fire could in 48 hours.
If you think a fire could do more than a 1000 horse power grinder and could do it cleaner your new
It's CA, where do they plug these machines into?
Can’t burn to conserve air quality, then the grinder is kicking out that 3:26 😂😂
It’s just convoluting a process to extort money
The difference is that the dirt and chip particles are heavier so they will eventually fall back to earth; smoke is much lighter so it just stays airborne.
@@Duvstep910 several million dollars in equipment to clear land, only in commifornia.
I agree, but they are using the chips as compost, it's better for the soil in the long run.
I misunderstood your comment, dirt particles are heavy and sink to the ground, so while the immediate area is affected, smog isn't a factor here.
@@godsdozerdon’t forget the contractors who were forced to upgrade and replace their millions of dollars in equipment to the new engines to meet the commies CC Agenda of carbon emissions reduction which has destroyed the horse power and ROI of their construction equipment. Many contractors left the state or just folded their family owned companies and retired.
It's good not to take for granted the effort that goes into providing abundant food for the world. There's a lot of both genius and risk of capital that goes into it.
This is no way to treat the land, that is not a farm, it is a factory!!
Is it really more eco friendly to run all those huge machines with massive diesel engines to grind and spread the old trees compared to burning them?
The wood chips do wonders for the heavy clay soil as they decompose they soften it up and promote mycorrhizal growth.
"Is it really more eco friendly "
Perhaps you've never breathed in wood fire smoke?
this is less about being eco friendly and more about being health friendly as the guy in the video said. This area is a valley so any smoke produced tends to just sit there for a long time causing respiratory problems for lots of people
@@alexanderSydneyOz I grew up in a home that burned wood and coal. I will take wood over coal soot anyday.
I still think it's better to Burn coming from a farming past but the equipment is cool.. lut luts spend thousands of Gallons of diesel to chip it when you can just burn it for about $30 and get the same results just saying
Ohhh, in California,, and it's not electric...
So correct me if I'm wrong.
But you can't burn because of particulates that go in the air but you can burn 1000's of gallons of diesel running the machines that mulch the waste? 🤷
Wood chips are great for the soil and a big part of what made California the agriculture capital of the US. Those diesel engines don't run long enough to burn thousands of gallons, they get it done fast.
@@aminy23 Fuel Consumption of the C32 engine. The engine that's in the chipper. This is not including the other plant on site.
100% load with fan - L/hr (gal/hr) 262.7 (69.4) 262.7 (69.4) 238.6 (63.0) 217.9 (57.6)
75% load with fan - L/hr (gal/hr) 195.9 (51.7) 195.9 (51.7) 179.2 (47.3) 164.8 (43.5)
50% load with fan - L/hr (gal/hr) 135.9 (35.9) 135.9 (35.9) 125.8 (33.2) 117.2 (31.0)
25% load with fan - L/hr (gal/hr) 80.8 (21.3) 80.8 (21.3) 75.9 (20.0) 71.4 (18.9)
So yeah it does use 1000s of gallons of diesel if used at 100% over an 8 hour day. Which it will be inorder to chomp through the trees they were feeding it.
Even at 25% it uses 21.3 gallons of fuel per hour!!
So you might wanna check some facts before commenting.
I'm not disagreeing that chippings aren't good for the soil.
I was just struggling to get my head around the can't burn the timber because of the particulates it would put in the air but the Californian gov are happy for a massive diesel guzzling engine to put particulates in the air.
Wood burns damn cleaner than diesel that's for sure.
It’s hard to call something West Coast style when only one state on the West Coast in the lower 48 does it that way. We don’t do it that way in Washington we don’t do it that way in Oregon they don’t do it that way in BC. Stop calling it West Coast style and start calling it California style that’s what it is
a pitty your videos is getting shorter and shorter.
They have always been about 10 min
They used to be 15
Not everybody wants to watch 45 minute CZcams vids. I feel like CZcams vids are getting way too long
then dont watch the whole thing. some of us have lots of time to watch@@keithturgeon5448
@@keithturgeon5448 Absolutely. They just feel too short, they barely start before they are over and seem like a wasted opertunity.