2021 BMW 3 Series | The Transition is Here
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- We review the new BMW 330e, a product moving BMW into the next generation of style and economy. Will these new 4 cylinder hybrids make the cars more desirable? We talk about some of the engineerings and explain the price tag of almost $60,000. In this style of car would you choose the Acura TLX, G70, Lexus IS, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, or Audi A4?
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Index:
00:00 - 00:26 Intro
00:26 - 2:41 Interior Impressions
2:41 - 6:00 Mechanical Discussion
6:00 - 11:57 Driving Impressions
11:57 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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Patagonia needs to sponsor them at this point 😹
@@ascott2168 They should do a review on their jackets. It’d be as compelling as the Toto Bidet review.
@@ascott2168 I mentioned this on another review too. I mean Jack had a sweatshirt with a HUGE logo on in one of the recent videos. Match made in heaven for these midlife-crisis two driving gents. :)
@@richardnavratil9661 😹😹 Haaaa well said ! Those 48-52 years of life are hitting them hard, hence the need for constant tire shredding ! Gotta re-live the early 90s I guess 🤷🏽♂️
@@ascott2168 Lol I don't think they are that old.... they don't look that old anyway.
I don't believe that Jack realizes the benefits of having a PHEV. Even if your daily commute is 40 miles (so 80 mile roundtrip), that still means that you're effectively HALVING your daily gasoline consumption in something like this BMW with almost 40 miles of range. At ~20,000 miles per year, you're doing ~10,000 of that on electricity only. And even when the battery is depleted, going into hybrid mode will still net you some efficiency gains over a 330i. Range anxiety is also completely eliminated and most users won't even have to install a Level 2 EVSE in their homes and simply rely on the provided Level 1 EVSE since the battery is so small. More A to B commuters should be PHEVs.
I did some math, and found that with a 30 mile range, I'd cut my gasoline usage by 75%. I really would like a PHEV sports sedan.
Mark : how's your wife?
Jack : She has great architecture
2:48 I was worried that Patagonia had dropped you guys, good to see the sponsorship is still going strong.
I wondered if anybody else had noticed that lol. Seems like in every video, both of them are wearing Patagonia.
#pataguccigang
It’s the Midwest suburban well to do casual dress uniform.
@@mehdimohamed6291 It's more like upper middle class attire lol. I've got a couple patagonia sweaters, but honestly the only reason is because my wife used to work for a company in Thailand that made products for them and she got some defective ones for basically nothing.
It's dreary clothing though.
Subscribed thinking mark and jack were industry Patagonia models stayed for the fact I’m a Toyota Lexus fanboy
Mark’s expression throughout the entire video says it all.🤣🤣
This car exists because it lowers Emissions Tax in Europe.
Correct. Just ordered the X3 30e Plug-in Hybrid. Drops the tax bill per year from 1% to 0.5%, and for someone like me who drives BMWs costing around 80,000 Euros gross list price, that saves me thousands a year in taxes.
"emissions tax" lmao
@@robertw.1499 Still gets the same fuel economy as a modified 20 year old subie. Looks like a waste of technology if you ask me.
@@eivis13 It has zero emissions (~50km EV range) for an average driver if they can charge at home. No 20-year-old car can do that.
@@villLe unless you add some batteries and a few electric motors. Considering it gets only low 30 mpgs in hybrid mode it's a waste. It's not like it's an rx or a gs450h or etc.
Mark isn't stupid. He had to do something he didn't love the idea of, asking ppl to sub. So he turned it into a joke. Not only did fans not reject it, they embraced it and make their own memes in the comments. Which is the absolute best form of reminding ppl to sub.
What happened?
@I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS .. +1. agreed.
I think you're right. I recently mentioned on another one of his comment is I know he really needs it when you actually see him mentioning it. He's not like some other car reviewers (that I used to like lot more like The Straight Pipes) and it gets to a point it's like click-bait....
@@richardnavratil9661 god the straight pipes have gotten so bad lately. Have you seen their newest video? They literally recorded footage with a new car and blurred all of it out just to tell people to come back next week so see what it is.
@@fireballspark123 the straight pipes always gave me a sort of boyracer vibe...which is fine, but it really is a red flag to me when they make things overcomplicated just to get more views as you said.
Damn, jack germany definitely got premium for this one
I'm not typically a BMW fan, but I have to compliment them here - the PHEV variant is only about $4k more than the non hybrid, and they didn't downsize the gas engine in the PHEV version. Given the PHEV tax credit erases the increased cost of the PHEV variant, it's a very strong option.
good comment
Mark looks extremely uninterested in this product. It balances out Jack's extreme interest in this product.
Good job, guys
Jack only has interest in cars that nobody should keep it long-term. 👎
What balances out Jack's ignorance on what PHEVs are intended for, the incorrect electric range he quoted, talking people with longer commutes out of buying a PHEV even though it would reduce their gas use, or only showing the fully loaded price of the vehicle and not mentioning the tax credit that brings the price thousands of dollars below the 330i?
@@updlate4756 true, to some extent. The savings on gas are realized only long term. The problem is that these products don't last long term. Therefore, no savings for anyone.
@@barrygoldwasser5449 They last just fine, no need to post silly lies.
@@updlate4756 you joking, right?
I'm in the car business. I restore them. But that's anecdotal. Look at the numbers. BMW, MB, Audi, Porsche. They're disposable products. How many old S class MB you see out there? How many old 7 series? Few to none. How many old Lexus LS you see all circulating? Listen, don't take my word for it. Look at statistics. Numbers don't lie.
As someone who owns this car I can say it works amazing for my needs (wasn't in the market for it but got $7,000 off MSRP for mishap at dealership with another vehicle.) I live in San Diego, charge at home, and have a 19 mile commute to work. I also have the ability to charge my vehicle for free at work when I arrive. In the 4 months of ownership I've gotten gas 2x and only because the range got below 50 miles after driving to LA for a bit. I totally think BMW should have given it the range of something similar to the RAV4 Prime, but it's a car that puts a smile on my face every time I drive it so I'm not complaining.
being able to charge for free at work is a huge benefit!
The most memorable aspect of this car review for Mark was when he discovered he sufferers from Narcolepsy.
Jack hasn’t bought a suit in a long time, he is still waiting for Patagonia to step up the suit game.
Jack will become significantly poorer if he discovers Arcteryx Veilances lineup.
When I subscribed to Savage Geese, I started seeing Life in Technicolor.
I started listening in Dolby Atmos.
I am having synesthesia ever since.
My heart has started running on RTX
Me too, I get technicolor on my iphone6 and Dolby Atmos app so I can experience it all.
Every time I enter someplace, the THX intro plays.
Mark seemed less than enthused. Sitting in the passenger seat, he looked like he was on his way to get a root canal.
I don't think I've ever seen Mark look so depressed. It's almost like he knows BMW as we enthusiasts knew it is dead and the fun is gone from most modern cars.
When he was under the car he looked like he wished it would just fall on him
@@bijan4697 haha, yes.
It is, they're just kind of sad now. Look at the new FWD based 2-series cars. They're just ass. Yes, I know they are x-drive, but the point is the engine is sideways and it's basically a FWD architecture. It's 100% poseur.
Its Excusesgeese at the end of every video though.
@@bobbowie9350 That's because he tries to speak to normal consumers and offer good buying advice, which is a weird approach in my opinion because most people that watch these videos on CZcams seem to be car enthusiasts. Either way, society has become more lame/gay/feminized and very few cool things exist anymore and modern cars are a reflection of that. Completely souless and bland.
The difference between savagegeese videos and other car review videos I watch is that I always go "Full Screen" on savagegeese videos. The rest I keep in their typical CZcams mode so I can do other things while they play.
Same here.
This is accurate.
Funny... same here!
Love that Mark and Jack still keep their own strong opinions! Keep staying honest, keep questioning and stay savage on this automotive evolution for yourselves and us. Looking forward to every video
Intro music sounds like a Mumford and Sons hit song of the 2000s
@@snail415 Hey there, Delilah
Mark during the drive part “Get me the Hell out of this car”
He looked so unimpressed and bored to the point of disdain shown in his face.
@@AnontheGOAT well its a shit engine/car. ever since they started downsizing, they killed the only good part about BMW, the proper engines. (that were not durable long-term, but it's luxury/BMW, so whatever. it was still fun, powerful, capable.)
@@CitarNosis317 ya got no qualms from me on that. I like your name btw 😉
Strange he looked so disappointed on the drive, yet said how competent the car was at the end.
BMW left me behind...
I disagree with the comment that the plug-in hybrid doesn't add anything. I have a G20 330e and on an extended highway trip (Canberra to Sydney and return) at 110kmh the battery helps reduce the fuel economy to as little as 3.5l/100km (66mpg (US) or 79mpg (UK)) whilst still giving that extra 100+HP for overtaking, etc. If you have a shorter trip, say 60 mile (100km) then most of it is on electric which means your fuel economy can be almost eliminated. In the last 10,000km my car is telling me that about half has been on electric only and half on petrol/electric combined with an average fuel economy over that distance of 3.4l/100km. It's also more fun to drive than the normal 330i.
I drove one from NY to DC, man this machine is fast, elegant and well crafted.
My life wasn't worth subscribing to, then I found the power of these savage geese.
I subscribed to savagegeese and my wife now rides an E30 BMW M3 and wakes me up every sunday with the words: TRACKDAY BRO!
You’re a lucky man indeed
@@basithph8958 I am a woman, bro.
@@smeegain3657 oh sorry
@@basithph8958 No Problem :)
I can’t believe I’m even writing this comment, both Savage Geese journalists missed the plot on this 330e variant. Most people don’t bury their foot down to the firewall and accelerate like Jack did, even if its a 330i. This car is capable of much greater overall efficiency using the whole power train and I was disappointed that this was not examined carefully in that aspect. I’m requesting a future revisit of this product from Savage Geese, because this is on my short list for a trade-in this year.
I live downtown chicago, I’d drive maybe 40 miles a week. This seems like a great car that checks all the boxes.
This is such a great channel. I love and appreciate your no-nonsense opinion on vehicles you review. It's very refreshing. Great job guys!
The time of ingnorance before knowing of Savagegeese is known as BS. We all should live in After Subscribing to Savagegeese or ASS
Since my car knowledge has been going up since watching SGs videos, whenever I can apply that info in a conversation I am talking out of my ASS.
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As a huge fan of PHEVs, I think I've gotten dumber for having watched this review. Jack misquoted the EV range of the vehicle. He only shared the fully loaded price of the car instead of the base price. Didn't mention the $5800 tax credit that makes this car $2600 cheaper than the 330i. (Before state EV tax credits that would reduce the price further) He for some reason attempted to talk people with longer commutes out of buying this car, even though it would significantly reduce their gas use, fuel costs, gas station trips, maintenance trips and costs... etc. lol... I mean... it's like this was the first PHEV he's ever driven, and he doesn't have a clear understanding of how they work or how they benefit the owner. Maybe he should buy a PHEV and live with it for a year to catch him up to speed on the benefits of these vehicles.
Savagegeese sold me on the underbody sealant and window etching and I've never been happier with my decision.
@6:41 Mark’s face expression of disdain 🤣 He ‘s like “Not worthy of my time. I’d rather take my blow up doll on a shot gun joy ride in my Atom”
You noticed it too? hahaha... someone needs to freeze his expression with "hello darkness my friend" playing....
That raised corner of his lip screams contempt lol, these new BMW's are SO boring.
He really didn’t wanna be there 😂
Analogue gauges >>> Digital gauges
I guess it's gonna go like with digital clocks.
All the rage in the 80s and 90s, but nowadays the most expensive and prestigious cars have analogue clocks.
I like how Jack developed his own style and dropped mimicking Mark. Watching him now is a lot more pleasant than before, when he sounded like mr geese's twin brother.
This is the only page I subricribed to. Only cause they need more followers. Truly amazing channel. Keep it up Geese.
Spend $60K to drive 20 miles a day? MARK is so unimpressed. Me too.
Well yeah 60k if you take every useless options there is, it could've been sub 50k before tax credits + gas savings.
PHEV only works if you live in the city and also work in the vicinity. Might not make sense in USA where the suburbs alone are 21 miles for some reason. But in Europe where things are a lot tighter packed, it makes a lot of sense. And besides that, some countries offer subsidies/Tax breaks for PHEVs as well.
20 miles if you only drive in electric but if you only want to drive in electric then just buy a full EV and not a PHEV. I feel like many people don't understand why PHEV exists
@@CyAn-S I don't get this argument. It still provides significant gas savings even if you are making long trips. Even if you had an 80 mile commute, you'd only begin to use gas on the second half of your commute. The gas mileage is still good after that, so you still stay ahead.
@@AW-gj4ji so buy a luxury car but don’t have luxury features yup that makes sense... it’s a luxury car just don’t buy a luxury car
Thank goodness we got the right Geese doing this review.
Duck duck duck GOOSE
Love jack
I prefer Mark. To me, jack just seems like a cookie cutter CZcams car reviewer
This is actually a really good purchase proposition for somebody that can charge up overnight and do their entire daily trip on EV mode. It keeps range anxiety at bay on longer trips.
Definitely looking forward to the engineering you 'll get into with the upcoming BMW's, this was great! time for a suit Jack!!
So hyped for the M3 Video!
That intro track gave me and my gay Patagonia wearing boyfriend goosebumps.
Ikr. Me and my gay boyfriend (I’m gay) were joking about it and touching each other’s buttholes
I cannot wait for you guys to review the new Z and 86 twins, I want hour long tech segments
Thank you very much. You guys make the best car review on youtube. You diserve to have millions of subscribers !
"But I appreciate you for watching." No, I appreciate you for making a legit car review channel that's creating better car content than what Top Gear/Grand Tour, let alone ANY car "television" is doing nowadays.
Honestly my wife would love this. She just got a 2018 330i xDrive (they only sell xDrive in Canada), and she loves it. It's an isolation machine, and it's really quiet and solid feeling compared to the lightweight sports cars I like. Adding a small electric range would be perfect for her daily commute of 20 miles round trip.
I subbed and my antibodies count is way up!
The Savagegeese channel is so good I subscribed twice.
SavageGeese, the only channel I watch the commercials to support.
My life was not worth living until I subscribed to savagegeese. True story.
Don't let the damn youtube influencers over take you man. Your life is worth living. But damn, savagegeese is pretty jesus.
Why did I read "My wife" at first?
savagegeeses life was not worth living until lots of people subs...WAIT...that is so not true...savagegeese always had lives that are THE DREAM! And we are lucky, no, privileged that they let us participate in them. We are so unworthy. Thank you savagegeese!
@@smeegain3657 gods be praised 🙏🏼
This "trend" is already getting old.
I subscribed to Savagegeese and I can finally work behind a standing desk.
Great interior summary by Jack
Man ive been waiting for a review from savageese on this car
I have had my 330e since May. My combined MPG is 56.1, not terrible! It definitely is a transitional/gateway product like Mark said. I find myself looking to upgrade to an i4 or iX next!
They are saying this hybrid package works for a city resident, but how many people in the city have access to plug-in power? I'd say the real best use case would be a suburbanite who doesn't drive much. Drop the kids off at soccer practice, hit up Costco for a 200 pack of Kirkland toilet paper, (that trunk is huge) and hardly ever fill the tank. Yet you can still road trip with it.
Was not sure if the suburbanite's or the hybrid's trunk was huge.
Love the Colter Wall on the infotainment screen at the beginning interior shot...great music.
I'm curious, would it be technically possible to fit a 6 cylinder in the engine bay? Given the additional hybrid system taking up space?
BMW: Ultimate Leasing Machine (tm)
Although I have no interest in this the 39 miles will cover most people's commutes, especially if they can charge at work.
It came into perspective when an aunt said that in the 6 months of owning a PHEV Mitsi Outlander she'd filled the gas tank once. And they have half that range.
Great review for this beautiful car👍❤
I LOVE Mark's candor!
Evidently they drove the cars for a short term and hard to get those fuel economy numbers. I have owned both the regular and hybrid new generation 3 series and had them for months and got way better numbers. I was most impressed by the regular 330i where I was getting around 34mpg and with the 330e I was hovering around 42-45mpg and drove them spiritedly. Those are great numbers taking in consideration these cars handle wonderfully and are great performance daily drivers, much better than any of the other cars in the segment. I was not able to charge at home daily, only at work. If you can charge both at home and at work with the 330e you can easily go over 60mpg and only need gas every couple of weeks! About the price, easy get one on a lease with close to %15off with incentives or buy a 1-2yr old Certified.
No one else (that I watch) on CZcams, purposely and conveniently times out transitions of their video to be at the same time ads pop up. I don't care if you like his content or not, subscribe to him just to say thanks for trying to make ads slightly less annoying.
Wow, you made this look like work!
I subscribed to savage geese and now I can see out of my left eye
Great review but why is the full electric mode of this car completely ignored in this review and in almost all other Savagegeese reviews of plug-in hybrids? Ideally, most people who buy plug-in hybrids will drive 90% of the time in full electric mode... Give us some technical details and a driving impression of this pure electric mode.
Is this sponsored by Patagonia (again 😆)? Nice video 👍. I love the 3 👍
Great Review! Did you have a chance to test the audio system?
Saw your review, like this thing so much so ordered one yesterday.
Did you get it? I’m considering it.
@@InternetDude Couldn't, the model was cancelled for my region. I was offered the 340i so just told them to forget it. Took a drive one afternoon popped in to a beautiful Lexus dealership. I ended up picking up a Lexus UX, the UX has been amazing since its just the wife and I. Smooth and truly luxurious.
@@TheJacobGZuma oh wow I have a Lexus now but am thinking of switching just for something different. Hmm….
@@TheJacobGZuma I had a UX hybrid as a loaner, great car, I liked the hybrid system.
@@InternetDude Then probably the Bimmer will be an interesting one for you, just be prepared to go crazy on options but you will have some great trips.
I shaved my head, only wear Patagonia hoodies, walk around the NW suburbs with my Asian friends, and hope to get noticed.
Thats a winning formula
The Patagonia swag is strong in this video
savagegeese makes up for 79 percent of clothing related planet saving efforts - worldwide
That looks like a very comfy bedsheet you’re wearing mark👍🥱😴
I'd be really interested to watch the same video but for a base 330i without the M package... the proposition is completely different compared to this 330e M-Sport so I wonder what your Final Thoughts would be...
Now I'm confused, big grill, small grill. Are they going half-n-half on ugly?
I had the same reaction
Like someone said these work best in Europe. Purchase price is lower due to the emissions tax and the plug-in makes it a good option for many company car buyers and others that used to buy diesels or have an access to a charging point at home. One relative went from a diesel GLC to a plug-in petrol when he retired. 20tkm average fuel economy is about 6L/100km or ca. 40mpg. Pretty good for a 2,5 ton SUV and about the same that he had with a diesel.
You guys doing a G80 or G82 soon?
Love to see you guys review the GR Yaris if it comes to the states.
The 3 series is probably the best all around entry level luxury car in existence. The new hybrid tech makes sense as well.
Only if you don't drive its competitors. And only if you lease it and don't experience BMWs legendary reliability.
@@bassandtrebleclef the A4 and C 300 just aren’t as good. I’m not a bimmer guy at all but these are fantastic. Forever will not understand reliability concerns when buying new, especially if leasing.
Had to move on from bmw pricing, but my old e60 did ride extremely well. I like the more conservative look inside, something that will age better than an ipad slapped on my dash.
Good job guys.
Do you plan on doing the 4 series or m440i?
The seats might not break down, but the cars do!
Whats the point of the 5er now?
Todays 5 is for older 7 series owners.
From my knowledge, the 330e actually has a detuned engine for some weird reason. So it's essentially the same engine you find in the 330i. No clue how you can bump it back up to 255, but oh well.
It is an 320i (184hp in europe) plus electric motor
Since I subscribed, regular edition geese get a high five every time
I mean, it is a nice badge.
I do like that the UI is not going full touch control so that's great
The 330i xDrive leases well. I stacked multiple incentives , which combined with an eager dealer and a decent money factor make it not much more than a Honda Accord . And much better dynamics with all wheel drive. Leave it on eco and the G20 will easily do 38 MPG on the highway. Most of aren’t looking to break any world records, just have a bit fun while driving.
x-drive or the RWD model? I could not get mine x-drive F30 over 22.3mpg, it was like it was stuck there forever. City/highway didn't matter.
@@bb5242 xDrive. The good fuel economy surprised me. At highway speeds the car will coast at idle RPM until power is needed. I did not expect the all wheel drive to be more efficient than an Accord 2.0T but it is.
The “base” model has real analog gauges with navigation between the speedometer and odometer. My only options are xDrive, driving assistance, heated seats and steering wheel.
adding this comment for the algorithm, its literally the very least I can do. also, you guys deserve a huge audience for the insane amount of work you put into every video. Loved the last live stream too.
I've gone Hybrid for 2 years now and don't think ill be going back to a all motor setup. You get great power and mpg is great
So minus the hybrid, is this 3 series too expensive or is it a good value because it’s as big as e60 5 series 🤔
2:10
Can't believe Jack shrank a few inches in a few years.
What an interesting angle. Here in Finland, the base model 3-series is priced pretty much identically to the base model Camry (we don't get the Accord or the Sonata here anymore). The difference comes down to the fact that the Camry is a lot more spacious, and Toyota charges a lot less for optional extras
Our "base" models in the US arent necessarily the same as europe when it comes to german cars.
@@gerbel01 That's very true, for us the base model is a 318i with 150hp and cloth seats
@@magnusbuinevits9535 yeah we haven't been able to buy a 318 since maybe the e36?
Yeah and the tax is a bigger item, so those smaller engines are also helping BMW and those 2.5’s are penalised.
@@JJVernig Tax is a thing yes, but the Toyota is actually subject to less tax than the BMW because of its lower emissions
What do you think the X3E vs Rav4 Prime? Worth the 7K - to 10K price difference?
That BMW 3 Series has one of the nicest sounding 4 cylinder turbo charged engines of any car I've seen and heard reviewed on your channel. The ZF gearbox also sounds very quick and smooth when you floor it from a dead stop up to speed. It's a nice clean luxury appliance that will keep its value for a very long time with great driving performance. I think BMW knows this and charges the premium price for it. it always looks good, like a good suit in your discussion, and that's why you buy a BMW today. Great review. Enjoyed a lot.
The ZF is very good. Not sure it needs 8 forward gears, though. The ratios are pretty indistinguishable. Not sure if the engine noise is real or not.
Wait - you guys have an OFFICE?
I can imagine what will Mark say about the new M3 :D:D:D:D
Did you commission an acoustic version of Disfigure-Blank?
Are there any Patagonia products the two of you don't own ?
After the last SG livestream ended, my doorbell rang. It was pro surfer/twerker Anastasia Ashley holding two large Arby's bags and offering to give me some surfing lessons in the waterbed I've owned since 1987. Thank you Mark and Jack! Dreams do come true for SG viewers!
what about reliability ? at Least Lexus has a ton of experience with the HYbrid set up. I am worried that I now have to contend with 2 systems - regular engine maintenance and now extra worry about batteries and their degradation and replacement. I love the 3 series but I am not sure I want to trust my pocket book to BMW and their batteries when they start to wear down and then all the usual upkeep with a regular combustion engine. If its a lease for 3 years - maybe I might consider . I can walk away - but I am really skeptical about 2 systems to worry about.
I have a 2020 Bmw 330i Msport 2WD with a 100% loaded spec it's a fine car for my wife to use around town. She enjoys the compliance, dynamics and exterior/interior styling. White/Cognac/Open pore wood, she uses none of the driving tech but enjoys the wireless carplay. She had a 2018 Landcruiser Prado previously, she much prefers the G20 as a daily.
Can we get the new is350 review?
The more complicated the 3 gets. The less i like it.
Exactly, 3 series was always loved for its simplicity, its was like the mx5 of sedans.
e46 was the last least complicated. the e90 is where it really went downhill
@@JDMHaze imo e90 was the last old school 3 series, e90 330i and 328i were as simple as cars get. They had a very reliable NA i6, and they were the perfect size.
@@insayn7995 I have a e90 328i and it’s so complicated with their computer system for the engine I hate it. You don’t get a coolant gauge, you have no idea what the oil is doing, and worst of all no oil dip stick.
The bigger the 3 series gets, the less I like it. I had an e36 coupe. Perfect size for me. Now I'm in a 128i, which is the same size as the e36. This current 3 series is nearly the size of an earlier 7 series. Too darn big.