My Top Students (what they do)
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Here are the top traits and characteristics that I notice in my students when they are making rapid progress on the cello. To be clear, when I say "top students," I don't simply mean my most advanced students. I'm talking about the periods of time in my students' journeys when they suddenly shift gears and start making even faster progress.
My goal with this video is to provide you with a launching point for analyzing your own approach to your cello journey. For adult learners, developing the right attitude and mental approach is just as important as acquiring the actual knowledge of cello technique.
All of these traits are trainable, and needed, you change your approach to practice and learning today!
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Billy Tobenkin is a Los Angeles-based cellist who specializes in teaching adult learners. As a professional cellist who started playing the cello from scratch at 25, he is in a unique position to help others, like him, who found the cello later in life. He has developed strategies from his own musical journey to accelerate the learning process, and he is here to share them with you.
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00:00 Intro
2:13 #1 Focused practice
5:20 #2 Flexible goals
7:35 #3 Flexibility with principles
9:34 #4 "Don't care..."
12:57 #5 Music theory
Appreciate this! I would like to add, some of this advice is good for teachers as well. As students, we don’t know what we don’t know when we are starting out. We assume the teacher is telling us everything we need to know. But now we learn we should video the lesson. Teachers should suggest these things, and even show what a useful practice session looks like / observe us showing how we practice and give tips to improve our time at home. Early on you come home, and it is “the blind leading the blind”. You just flail. One hour a week, then flailing. Another hour, then flailing. Congrats to you Billy for breaking the mold. It needs breaking.
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 and want to take up cello. Thank you
@@sexymanicou3403 Left handed people do not play the cello differently than right handed people. Both hands are very involved so there is no benefit and many drawbacks to trying to play “left handed”. You say you “can’t” play the regular way, but no one can starting out. You have to work on using the hands, fingers, arms differently than with anything else you do. It is awkward for everyone. Right handed people need to learn dexterity with the left fingers, which you already have. I would just work at it rather than look for (sorry) reasons why not.
@@mellocello187 I intend to continue with my perspective but have none to try hence me asking if you the favor if you can put it on you right should and assessing if your right hand( now note fingering hand ) touch the peg (i.e. -1(or 1st) position on the C string), for me to make necessary preparation. I have overwhelming of your reply I am/ was a grade 8 (ABRSM?) violinist but I choose to stop. I regularly to cello pieces and I am convinced I must start back. If you have can find the time to assist me in this voluntary I will be very thank full.
@@sexymanicou3403If you were going to play the cello opposite of normal, you would need to have the cello set up as a mirror image. You would not be playing a normal cello just on the other side of your body, right hand fingering and left hand bowing. The rare people who insist on trying it “left handed” get their cello modified, and it is not a small thing. The strings are opposite, the bridge is opposite, the soundpost and bass bar are opposite.
@@mellocello187 I did the research and compared to an altered cello or lefthanded cello, I decided that a cello (tradition one) play on the right shoulder is the method I prefer I just wanted to ask if you place it on your right shoulder with right hand as fingering hand : if the right hand would touch the peg when playing (especially in 1st position or -1st position) that is my next stage there is no violin/string shop or marker or seller when I am I will have to place and order and hope for the best. I you can assist me with said knowledge it would have me on my second decision before ordering. Hence me asking your cello was placed on your right shoulder would the r-hand touch while play in 1st/-1st position.
You really brought the concepts to ground level, for me. I’m so grateful. Keep cello fun and experimental to learn quickly, in a relaxed but dedicated manner.
Thanks Billy, Very helpful information. I’m 7 years into my cello journey and I started at 60. My teacher is excellent, but we can always need a little more help!!!
I am 7 months into my cello journey. I'm an adult learner (72) with no music background, I love trying this beautiful instrument. What's funny is when trying vibrato, I move my left hand, my bow also stops and starts. is there a drill to make my brain separate my two hands?
I love your channel.
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 and want to take up cello. Thank you
Hahaha just started music theory 2 weeks ago after having learned the cello for 2 years and played the piano for 20+ years. I’m embarrassed for not knowing as much theory as I probably should, but I’m also happy to be finally starting on it after so many years of playing the piano pretty much ‘blindly’. Testing out triads and 7th chords on both instruments is my new entertainment :)
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 and want to take up cello. Thank you
This is the perfect instruction for me right now. All of these points are exactly what I need. Awesome video!
Hello Billy i just want to give thanks for your channel and for taking the time to teach that beautiful instrument i have been watching your channel for a few weeks and i really like it the funny story is that i fell in love with this instrument after playing the guitar by ear for years i don't even have the cello lol but i will soon and i know for sure i can learn plenty with you also thanks for explaining everything so clearly it truly hells i don't know how much time it's going to take me to learn lol but i will go for it thanks again
My big problem is that " I Care"....a lot and too much :( as I´ve been judged for years in my life, i just can ´t relax. It´s an excercise for the whole life for me.
Love all your videos! Quick question, how old are you now? And how many hours did you practice in your first 5 years?
I have a cello it's kinda hard to dedicate time to play because I have a 4 year old. But I really want to :/
Hi! Great appreciation, since I myself is an adult cello learner starting at age of 50! Crazy right? It has been 2.5 yrs and now I start to suffer a right thumb pain from time to time, because of bowing. It would be great if you have some kind of lesson for this problem or how to correct bowing technique before it gets worth. Thank you!
Hi Billy, I am a flute player but I have just recently been given a cello to borrow. I know nothing about strings or finger positions etc but have been learning a lot through watching your tutorials. I really need to start from scratch but I'm having trouble knowing what order to listen to your tutorials in as a lot of them are too advanced for me. Can you give me a list to go through from the beginning sequentially? love what I've learnt so far. Thank you, Lorene
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 and want to take up cello. Thank you
1:09 What I'm interested in there is how you old are today. How long did it take you to be a professional cellist? I started playing the cello 6 months ago and I guess for 6 months I'm already pretty good but I made music since I was six years old Still, intonation was new to me on the cello.
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 and want to take up cello. Thank you
@@sexymanicou3403 You can try the cellos out yourself in a violin shop anyway. It doesn't is my suspicion. I'm not in front of my cello at the moment, but I'll try it out when I've got my cello in front of me the next time and can confirm my answer I've given right now. And it's even better for your head, because the first peg isn't as close as it would be if you'd play with your right hand and holding the cello on your left shoulder. So that's a small advantage. Even though you could build it another way from the start when it's supposed to be a right handed cello.
@@sexymanicou3403 I hope that answers your question?
@@cartersessal4551 I am very thankful that you take the time to read my comment and consideration to try it when you are near your cello. Where I am there is no music store/ violin shop, or class/school, all you can do a bit of reading online order and item and hope for the best; if something every goes wrong or needs fixing, that it. I intend to play the cello on my right shoulder and bow with the left hand so I came to 'youtube' to ask in the comment section. If playing on the right shoulder ( with right hand as note fingering hand ) can the right hand touch the peg ( especially in 1st or -1st position on the C string). as from said reply I will know how to go about it.
I learn cello since October 2020 . But slow progress. I even can't draw my bow well and still feel painful and tired during bowing. I don't know why. I replace my cello from 4/4 size to 7/8 size. Much more comfortable but still can't managed it. I am plus size women with 156cm height. I don't know how to improve and even I don't know my cello position is the right place or not. My teacher ask me to put it higher but I can't see A string. Oh, I am 40 years old . I can play piano ( just a little bit which about grade 6 ABRSM). I can read music notes. Should I give up or change my cello size to the small one?
hello, i’m not a professional but wouldn’t recommend changing it to a smaller size. i’m almost same high as you (158cm) and play full-sized cello. i think we are not really supposed to see strings/1st position that much. the pain is definitely an issue, i hope the teacher will help if you address them. please don’t give up if you’re enjoying it and love cello:,)
and tiredness is definitely okay, especially at the start. i’m always taking little breaks and put my hands down and straight for the blood flow/rest
@@k.grushka thank you for your reply. I wrote these comments probably when I feel down because I can't see any improvement. oh yes, I don't think so that I will give up. Because I don't know what to do besides practice cello and piano seems I am introvert person. Yeah, size 7/8 is much better to me. And, seem a bit improvement that my teacher can hear some melody from my bowing and so me too. Not so clean yet, but I can play based on my voice head . Anyway, thank you for encourage me.
Re: "don't care"
Another way of saying, relax and enjoy the journey. Don't get caught up on "should"
Hello, I need your help , can I ask you a favor ( as a left-hander)can you play your cello on your right shoulder with your with hand in minus 1st position on the C string and tell me if it touches the pegs please. I cannot play the tradition way and want to know before I purchase. I stop violin ( traditional) at grade 6 ad want to take up cello. Thank you