Room tour: I'm into vinyl...but not for its sound!
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2018
- No, I'm not trolling y'all. And neither is this a generalisation about digital being superior to vinyl (or vice versa). My findings relate to very specific pieces of hardware, detailed as follows...
IKEA Kallax: www.ikea.com/de/de/catalog/ca...
The Glorious record box: www.thomann.de/gb/glorious_re...
Rega Planar 2: www.rega.co.uk/planar-2-2016.html
Chord DAVE:
chordelectronics.co.uk/produc...
PS Audio DirectStream DAC:
www.psaudio.com/directstream-...
My turntables:
Rega Planar 2: www.rega.co.uk/planar-2-2016.html
Technics SL-1200G w/ Zu Denon DL-103R MKII:
www.technics.com/us/products/...
www.zuaudio.com/turntable/zud...
Pro-Ject 6 PerspeX w/ Ortofon 2M Black:
www.project-audio.com/en/prod...
www.ortofon.com/ortofon-2m-bl...
Pioneer PLX-500 w/ Ortofon Concorde Nightclub MKII:
www.pioneerdj.com/de-de/produ...
www.ortofon.com/concorde-nigh...
Phono stages I use:
Wyred 4 Sound PH-1:
wyred4sound.com/products/pre-...
PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter:
www.psaudio.com/products/nuwa...
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Ouch! That was hard to swallow. Your honesty is appreciated.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. My father had an old Pioneer PL-550x turntable that he bought in the late 70's while stationed in Germany with the Air Force. He eventually upgraded to CD's and packed the turntable away and stored it in the basement. I am currently living in Australia, and every time we would visit my parents during Christmas, I would see that Pioneer box sitting in the basement. One year he asked me what I wanted to for Christmas and I told him that I would take that Pioneer turntable, as it had been sitting in the basement for twenty years and it needed a good home. Luckily, it was a multi-voltage version and I was able to use it in Australia without a transformer. For me, the turntable takes me back to a simpler time, although my first mainstream introduction to music media was cassette tapes (I have a tape deck, as well). Like you, I enjoy the cover art, the durability, the satisfaction of dropping the needle and hearing that faint hint of surface noise before the music kicks in. I'm hooked on it and find it very relaxing, even though I have to get up ever twenty minutes, or so, to flip the record. It is pure, simple joy in a complex world. Thanks for your channel. I find it very intuitive and your reviews are honest, without being overbearing.
thrilled to see LAMB LIES DOWN, in the glorious box. saw it live in the day, still listen to it (in vinyl & cd). keep the vids coming.
I love it too. For the exact same reason. But I must confess: I love the compact discs even more. Those are easier to store, the sound is better, they are cheaper in prize, and you don't have to clean them all the time. Because that's the worst thing with lp's: cleaning them. 🙈
Sound is better?? Depends on the mastering, no? Some CD better vinyl, often (more so) the contrary.
@@peterdixon3475 Definetely! Vinyl is so much warmer.
Both vinyl and digital are mixed bags.
With digital, often the same exact songs are available on an original release, a remaster, a re-remaster, greatest hits, best of, anthology, and any number of compilations, and they do not all have equal sound quality. Their sound quality can be anywhere from similar to wildly different -- and often none have outstanding sound quality. Good sound? Yes. Great sound? Occasionally.
Vinyl, too. No two pressings sound exactly the same. And most pressings suck. But if you devote enough time, effort, and $$ (due to re-purchasing the same title many times), you sometimes land an amazing sounding pressing.
And whether or not you dialed in every vector of your cartridge and tonearm will weight heavily on sound quality.
Lots of factors go in to getting the best sound from any recording. And the record companies are mostly responsible for this mess, because they are too incompetent to consistently release great sounding digital or vinyl. They are good at making nearly all purchases a roll of the sound quality dice.
What I tend to find is that some albums sound better on vinyl and others sound better digitally. My solution....buy and collect it all!!! :)
It's true, some recordings work better in digital, some in vinyl.
Such a complex art of engineering. It's a pleasure to indulge beyond polemics of this vs that.
No two albums sound exactly the same. Often, they can sound miles apart, in terms of sound quality.
Most vinyl is not good. It takes time, effort, and $$ (due to repeatedly purchasing the same album title) to eventually land one of the rare, amazing sounding gems.
To my ear, digital usually sounds better, because most vinyl sucks. But when your stylus hits the grooves of one of the hard to find, amazing sounding pressings, it beats anything digital.
And digital has issues, too. The same exact songs are often available on an original release, a remaster, a re-remaster, a greatest hits, best of, anthology, and any number of compilations, and they do not all have equal sound quality.
Quality control at record companies (vinyl and digital) is a mess.
that i found it very expensive but i´m almost the same, regards
And nearly all of them sound best on cd.
HEY!!! I was waiting for the full room tour!!!! lol. I'm a HUGE fan of vinyl. I am also a huge fan of cds and downloads (not to mention cassettes). What I have found over time is that different albums seem to sound better on different formats.
I love vinyl for the tangible aspect, for the art covers, to have something to hold while you get the chills when listening to that specific track. The sound to me is delicious and sublime, but as you commented I do not have expensive equipment to match audiophile levels of purity. However, for much less, I can get a nice DAC that pair with my existing speakers (which I love) and probably (sound wise) get much more sound for the buck.
I love it too, it forces me to listen and pay attention.
I love vinyl for reasons of collecting it, and I too appreciate the cover art, the tangible experience, and the records themselves as objects. Luckily, I also love the sound. I think that the right setup for either vinyl, digital discs, files, or streaming, will all yield amazing sound quality. It’s more a matter of taste.
I liked everything you said in this video. I feel the exact same way but also still like to play vinyl. TY. Oh - great vinyl choices in the glorious box!!!
This is a really entertaining channel. Glad I discovered it.
I really like the style of his videos. They're.... So calm... Lovely.
Great video. Growing up, I loved vinyl and cassette tapes. Because I love music. And those were the only media available for us to acquire music. My 20 year vinyl collection was stolen in the late 1990s, so I went all digital. I've recently introduced vinyl into my music collection, and I love it. I will never make the argument that vinyl sounds better; because it doesn't. And vinyl will never make up the majority of my collection (right now it is about 4:1 digital to vinyl). And I only buy old albums in the vinyl format. I have one album that was released in 1985, but it is a box set of live performances that were recorded in the 70s and early 80s, and I doubt that live performances were recorded digitally back then. Otherwise all of my (small) vinyl collection is from the 60s and 70s. But it's nice to have; the album jackets themselves are like pieces of art.
you are an honest person for admitting this and now i trust you even more. i only buy records if they were recorded and master in analog, CD for everything else. there are a few bands that still do it. Agalloch´s 2010 album Marrow of the spirit was recorded and mastered in a fully analog studio.
Soliton FPV Do you like the sound of a fully analog vinyl over CD or high quality stream?
I listen probably to equal parts both but on my favorite music it has to be vinyl.
Love your reality John & your cultural appreciation of manufacture above twee stances.
100% agree and thanks for the honesty.
Rare to see this kind of honesty. I have the Directstream as well (Snowmass), and a roughly twice as expensive vinyl front end. And guess which sounds better? The DAC. Playing music from my NAS across Ethernet. Never would have thought it. But like you, I buy vinyl for archival reasons and collectibility.
I like my vinyl, the reason may be tactile but its deeper I believe, one can play a CD sit back and listen, you may as well throw out the CD and have a streaming service you will get what your looking for and save a ton of room. I like taking out the record and putting it on a turntable, sitting back reading the jacket looking at the album art as the songs play, half way though I have to turn the record over, in some ways it gives me a connection to the artist and their art that I could never find with a CD. If I just want to listen to music as a background while doing something else a CD or streaming are my medium of choice. But, when I want that connection to the band and their music I prefer the Record.
what about the music quality in the recording, some sound so bad in cd, or never noticed?normally with a good system the cd always sound much worse, to hear music while driving it´s ok ,but at home?
I'm into vinyl for the sound that reminds me what was then.
Fun video---I love the Glorious record box! Looks like you're a PSB fan like me. ;)
Best audio channel ever.
I respect your opinion. I have a decent 2 channel audio system (All Rega) with some good sources and though I enjoy listening to my DAC and CD player, I find myself gravitating towards listening to vinyl far more often. I prefer the sound of vinyl and everything else that goes with vinyl records. Thanks for sharing.
You hit the nail bang on the head, everything about the vinyl thing takes a little bit of time and effort but just enough to make it enjoyable, likewise with any other format if it makes the listening enjoyable then that's great. As far as music goes, live and let live.
I like most cleaning the disc with the brush. Nothing better than a dustfree disc. After turning I check my needle and when there is no dust on it I am very happy.
I remember (in the 80s), coming home (upstairs) on the double decker bus, gatefold album in my lap. It was magical. The artwork, the lyrics. All there in glorious reality. A thing, a big wonderful thing to enjoy. Then I used to tape the record onto cassette for convenience and to go out and about with! I miss the experience, I cannot deny it. If I started buying vinyl (again), well I think I might be single (no pun) quite soon.
Viny collecting is my hobby just love it to collect
For me too!
Excellent as always, the best reviewer on You Tube, such incredible honesty
If your findings relate to the hardware listed above then it’s very normal that you prefer digital over analog. Sorry but you can’t compare them if your digital stream dacs cost 6000$/12.500$ but your phono amps cost 1400$/1800$ especially your expensive cartridge costs only 750$ !!! Even if all parts were equal in terms of value, you must compare them with the same mastering of digital and vinyl versions. Plus, the record must be at least in near mint condition. I always hear the same things about vinyl from people; love the warm sound, cover art, nostalgia, romance, putting a record like a ritual but it doesn’t sound good as digital, noisy, etc. If your analog part of your system doesn’t sound transparent, detailed, punchy, rich and with big soundstage then something must be wrong with it. Get a good turntable, cartridge, phono amp and clean your records. Another important thing, most of the modern vinyl reissues of the analog-era cut from digital files so you’re basically buying a digital file on vinyl. An analog recording should be cut to vinyl from the original tapes not from a digital transfer. Buy the latest Pink Floyd Dark Side of The Moon reissue and compare it with an original, you’ll see what I mean. When it comes to digital recordings, for example Dire Straits’ Brothers in Arms, you’re welcome to bring any digital version available, the original vinyl version will not sound a bit less. So vinyl works perfectly in both recording options if you cut and master it properly. If you think that records are expensive and require too much work, cds and streaming is cheap and much more convenient that’s ok, but please stop saying that vinyl doesn’t sound as good as digital because it’s not true.
So true and love the honesty
Love that Julian Cope album you showed 1st. Like the 1 he did after it even better.
I am with you. Vinyl is awesome. But, not for the sound. Not that it is bad
Nothing beats the convenience of digital. DVD-A, Bluray Audio and especially SACD offer superior sound and convenience. Put on a disc sit back and relax. I'd rather be listening to music than cleaning it.
Nothing better then listening to vinyl while washing it. LoL
Cleaning vinyl is pleasure itself
Great videos John! Be great if you did one on your top music recommends. If seen some realty good non mainstream artists across various videos.
Love your choices of music John. But for some reason i can't get into the new Low album and i'm a big fan. I should revisit it.
Vinel cds streaming all sound good just different I don’t Care which format it is it’s the music that I love And above all the quality of this music and the sound I play Vinyl CDs mini discs And downloads.theres nothing more Pleasurable than sitting back and listening to your favourite music on a good system Which I fortunately own👍👍
Albums sound great.
There have been recent blogs proving vinyl does not sound any better than digital. There are romantic qualities to its packaging and it involves you more into the appreciation of the music with readable liner notes that are not printed in microtype. Also there is more music left unremastered for digital that is available only on vinyl. After years of lugging around records that had already been worn out I converted to digital because I could play the same song ten times in a row if I wanted without damaging the media. On Classical music digital is a revelation because its extreme dynamics can be reproduced without the limitations of compressing a lot of music onto a side of vinyl. I was able to find most of my favorite artists and music on CDs and audio DVDs. I have as many CDs, DVDs, Blurays and 4K discs as some people have in their vinyl collections (thousands). I do not miss the noise of vinyl or the wear or the expensive turntables and cartridges to play it properly. I cringe in disgust everytime I see some hipster idiot buy a Victrola, Boytone or Crosley or some other cheaply made heavy tonearmed crap saying "Vinyl has a warmer sound".
Amen to that. The physicality and the tactile are a big part of it. The fact that care has to be taken in transferring music onto the format to work around its weaknesses has maybe helped its resurgence. Anyway choice is good.
You are fired.
ahahaha
This guy will ALWAYS have my respect!!!
It’s funny, I’ve been starting my career as Sound engineer in Berlin and have worked at Hansa Studios an the old Deutsche Grammophone at the old Esplanade Hotel. If I take my old recording today, knowing the possibility’s we have had at that time and if I use modern computer technics of these days, I still can accomplish a lot of, what we were not being able to do then.
It takes at least again as long as the mix took by then, but it is worth it and vinyl can sound at least as good as actual recordings.
But it takes it’s time and effort.
same addiction as my friend. Grtz Phil
This is an honest assessment of his preferences, so I can't fault John for preferring digital. That said, as someone who owned that Rega Planar 2 with the Carbon cartridge setup, I can't overstate how inadequate that table and more specifically the Carbon is for judging vinyl's merits. The Carbon is an underwhelming budget cartridge on what I'd say is a quite decent beginner turntable in the Planar 2. Rega makes wonderful, well thought out products and this was my first setup. But the Carbon is included to keep down costs, and it's a good idea to replace it as soon as possible.
When I upgraded to the Planar 6 with the Ania moving coil cartridge I was in disbelief at first, the jump in quality was simply staggering. I'm on the very skeptical side with hifi, and the actual increase in quality relative to increased price but even the 6, really only a low midlevel turntable, is truly magical to listen to. Clarity, soundstage, separation, dynamics, precision and rich punchy bass, even on monitors without a sub. In a recent video I noticed Jon stepped up to a Planar 8 and at the end of the speaker review he mentioned he got better bass from his vinyl than from streaming and I said, "ah, he finally understands." Of course, good quality digital is amazing as well but I firmly believe there is something special about vinyl and I highly recommend crossing the $1,500-2000 threshold and hearing it for yourself.
I buy vinyl because I like artwork and supporting musicians
Hi, do you have a clip of the best way to clean music CDs? Thanks
Sound wise both vinyl and CD have their merits. I collect both for that reason. I have re mastered vinyl albums that knock the socks off the so called remastered CD version and vice versa. Streaming is ok for convenience of course but i am not over whelmed by its sound quality.
Does anybody care or talk about LAST record treatment anymore? There was a time I would hardly play a record without it. To me the reduction in high frequency distortion post-treatment was obvious. I don't know that it could make me favor the extra work involved in the whole vinyl playback experience. But when vinyl was the only practical high fidelity format, for me LAST was a must. It was like upgrading your cartridge or preamp.
I just discovered LAST abour 2 years ago. I like the products and I'm purchasing the products in slight abundance because I don't know how long the proprietor/ inventor will....last.
Anyway, many people swear by his products.
I listen to both vinyl and CD. I'm 56 and got my first 7" at the age of 12 . I'm still buying vinyl both new and used but also CD's. To me vinyl sounds differen, not beter or worse than CD's. Just different. Good example is Jeff Wayn's War of the Worlds. The original LP sounds still great after all those years but so does the CD and even the remastered version. I like both. What also matters IMO is the equipment and speakers. I have several speaker sets,all vintage 1969 - 1984, and 6 amps. When Iplay jazz over JBL S119 's the bass an cymbals sound great. When I play punk/pop or rock, it sucks. No matter if it's on CD of vinyl. On a TEQ V5 speaker set everything sounds great. Keith Jarrett is right next to you.
Isn't it all in all just a matter of personal taste?? For me it's the music that counts, not the format. Enjoy!! BTW great post!!!
there are lp´s that were killed by the cd format not even digital made it, but the cd ,stole the live feeling when hearing to music it seems a good cassette recorded on the cheapest deck, regards
lmao i was dead at the end, well done. The 50 euro cd player from 96 that i boughtt make better sound that my 350 euro Vinyl+phono pre-amp turntable. As a young guy who loves music more than gears my choice wa done. I keep buying Vinyl but it is mostly to support my favourite artists.
I buy only second hand vinyl released by "unknown" bands of 70's and I must admit that I have found some diamonds. +1 by me due to "Blue Valentine" LP!!!!
It does make sense he is not listening to vinyl for it's sound. He doesn't listen to classical or much jazz, as far as I could tell. Most of his music seems to be "digital friendly". Try playing a good recording of Keith Jarrett solo piano from ECM records, digital and analog, side by side, and you'll notice the bidimensionality of the Redbook CD as opposed to the lush, rich, resonant sound of the piano on vinyl. Specially if you are a pianist yourself.
Why would this only apply to classical and jazz?
Tactility has always been a soft target for digital naysayers. It's easy to criticize tactile pleasure as superficial or ancillary--or even a romanticized fetish for flaws. But, really specifically, tactility requires contact. Contact is where one's commitment to analog, I think, really takes hold. With analog, each part of the process (from making to listening) involves one thing touching another. If there were no contact, there would be no sound. Even if it's simply air moving a membrane, contact is the heart of it all and analog (cassettes, eight-track, and open-reel are of this ilk too), is a literal way to connect, or hook up. The way a CD vanishes behind a door and is supplanted by a "display" of illuminated numbers was the first place I felt like music was slipping away. I navigate menus of digital files like nearly everyone else and it's fine, but certainly less satisfying because of the dearth of contact.
True, vinyl is more of an audio fetish than digital. The media is larger. The packaging has always been great. It was always fun to open up a new record and read all about the music witout havingto get a microscope. It can sound very good with the best equipment. If only it did not involve as much care, and wear out because of the friction and heat of its playback. The surface noise, scatches and pops always bothered me.
My feelings exactly. If nothing else, music is all about the emotional experience and the tactile and fragile nature of vinyl makes you feel like you have an interaction with it beyond just listening.
I'm not fussy about formats, hell I'll listen to music on CZcams through my mobile phone, but there's something therapeutic about watching a turntable do it's thing while the music is playing.... well except that one occasion where the needle popped out of the groove and skated across my record! 😃😐😎
I'm into it for the sound! It's a unique combination of superior sound quality, and imperfections! Nothing digital can touch it (in my opinion), of course I'm talking strictly about audio information(resolution), not bandwidth and signal to noise ratio , whereas digital has that on lock down!
Hi ive seen your video review of the meze emphyrian and i can see were using the same amp with stock phonostage, im trying to plunge in buying a nagaoka mp110 just same as the one your using, i just want to add extra dynamics to my exixting OM scratch dj cart, hows the matching of the nag mp110 w/ the stock phono preamp of the jotunheim?, ive heard an mp200H paired w/ vista audio phono2 preamp it bested my hand crafted DAC by sierra audio in terms of detail and dynamics, i play 80s recording thru my sl1200 mk5 and my digital reference thru my dac. Hope the 110 nagaoka w/ jotunheim phonopreamp matches well, more info the nagaoka mp200 set at 40 db gain has better separation compared to the 50db gain in my friends preamp thank you
I listen mostly to digital for convenience, via JRiver's Media Center. Every song is at my fingertips, and the playlists, smartlists, sorting and filtering of your library makes it a pleasure.
But when I want my stereo to sound its best, nothing beats my best sounding, cherry picked vinyl.
I say "cherry picked", because most vinyl sucks.
It is an ordeal getting vinyl to sound really good. Once accomplished, and you listen, and then switch back to digital, you can hear the technology aspect of digital. Not that it sounds bad. It just doesn't get the music entirely right. Neither does vinyl. But with cherry picked vinyl pressings, it gets virtually everything right.
Cheers!
lol! I'm a bit older than you. And I agree, I'm not into it for the sound either. Actually, I find it a "novelty" these days with my old ass turntables and their vintage Shure cartridges, OMG! Shure? I play some vinyl every few weeks so that I won't forget what a spinning record on a table looks like! A warm reminder of my youth when everything was vinyl, more or less. Of course, there were reel-to-reel tapes and that's how you made your mix tapes! Now, my daughter buys vinyl. It's the thing to do for college students! So I gave her one of my Shure cart tables and showed her a few things concerning this antique hobby. Then there's my new neighbor. An opera buff with 50,000 recordings in his garage, THE GARAGE-really? You'd think someone with a collection like that would have at least a middling table, but no. He plays his records on cheapo tables with $11-$25 cartridges (and that's the price of new cartridges). Oh, and the 78s, he loves 78s on an Innovative Technologies table with that $11 ceramic cart. with a stylus that is three times smaller than it should be for a 78? I'm no vinyl jockey, but even I can't bear to watch this. I might just loan him one of my not so great but far better than what he has turntables? And buy him a proper 78 stylus and cartridge!
Yeah, the album, the art, the jacket, the ritual. That was the draw back in the day, and still is today. Then, there are the "analog" boys and girls who love the sound. Prefer it. I've heard multi-thousand tables and systems and I still don't "hear" it! Oh well! To each his/her own!
Comparing a $13.000+ dac (Chord Dave) to a $300 turntable (entry level Rega). Makes sense, right?
I do this because we are constantly told that 'nothing beats the sound of vinyl'. Not true, as said here, one of the world's best DACs knocks the pants off an entry level TT.
@@DarkoAudio Almost everything beats the sound of vinyl... that is, unless you devote the time, effort, and $$ to reap the benefits from vinyl.
Most pressings have between suck and mediocre sound quality. Only 15% or so have very good sound quality. And only 1% or 2% have fantastic sound quality (and usually only for one of the two sides -- you have to keep hunting for a white hot sounding other side). Some albums have poor sound quality for 100% of the pressings (Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell is one example).
You have to professionally dial in the effective length of the tone-arm, cartridge's weight, vertical tracking alignment, anti-skating, overhang, offset, zenith angle, and azimuth, and pair it up with a high-end phono-amp, AND you have to isolate the turntable from feedback.
When you do all of the above (and clean the cherry-picked 1%-ter pressings, too), then nothing digital can compete (although some MQA content, played on a DAC that is certified to do both core decoding and rendering will come close).
Bang for the buck, digital wins (and that is not saying much, because most digital sucks -- and not because of the DACs, but because of the lousy mastering of the digital files). But in a price-no-object contest, vinyl wins (when done right).
So "nothing beats the sound of vinyl" in its ultimate form.
Personally I don't buy new pressings anymore, I did and I was not happy with the sound quality. It really is true that if your using a digital master then pressing a record from that, its pointless, it will sound like a cd at best. I only buy used records pre 1982ish. However your system needs to be quite revealing to hear what I am talking about. I kinda get you like the ritual of playing vinyl, but the real magic is a pure analog sound from the recording studio to play back in your house. Spinning records for me really connects me to my music and anything of value requires some effort. I am not anti digital at all and love streaming on tidal, but when I have some free time I will clean some records while listening to vinyl. Nothing connects you more to your collection then washing your music. LoL
I get that a big factor with vintage audio is the vibe, rather than the sound quality, however not listening to it for the sound (at least a bit) - as vinyl has quite warmer and different sound... yeah, no.
Again, obviously, there's a big vibe-factor in it, but most of the times when I hear "audiophiles" say that "I like vinyl, but not for the sound", they come off to me as arrogant. In their reviews they don't show you the good/budget/more easier to afford headphones, dacs, etc...only show you the the expenysive ones. And not because the would be better, but just because they are expensive. And when you want to find something cheaper, as you want to only start this hobby, they tell you that "you're not a real audiophile, as you don't have don't the expensive stuff!"As is of course, than expensve hobby, but it doesn't have to be, nor do we have to be so aroogant about those who want cheaper gear - look at Dankpods for example, he buys more expensive stuff, but he's not at all arrogant about it, nor will he judge you for cheaper setup.
I've got a very old but lovingly maintained low-end (Basik tonearm, MM cartridge) LP12 going into my Mytek BB/power amp, which is also the endpoint for my Roon server. I buy vinyl for all of the same reasons as you, but in my setup, the analog and digital sources are equal, they have slightly different characteristics, but are just as musical and revealing as each other. A lot of vinyl pressings are versions of bad digital masters and to be avoided, but some really shine, like the Abbey Road half-speed masters which are vinyl only.
Digital isnt better than vinyl, just different. I enjoy both and the only negative thing about vinyl is to get it to sound far superior is that you have to make a nice investment. I stream, cd, cassette decks and vinyl and I find that depending on the recordings each one except cassettes can sound better than the other.
im in it for enjoyment of music im not into cd verses vinyl i have both i started colecting tapes and built my first stereo with a deck and a real amp then i traded up to turntable its the journey of sound over the years . used to check vinyl and albums out and say one day u be mine lol merry christmas to u and thanks for ur videos happy new year to u and good health
if you dont buy them for the sound... try replacing you rega carbon white with somethin better :) then you'll like them for their sound as well :) that's my advice. own rega carbon, it's not a good cartridge at all
Per the video description box, I've more than just the Rega turntable and cartridge.
But I agree with you, the out of box experience - as heard by the majority of Planar 2 buyers - is hamstrung by the factory-fitted Carbon cart.
John, what are you filming with now? I know the X100 was not a good fit for you (my fault).
Not sure - the camera isn't mine but Olaf's: instagram.com/p/BtN7rcpAWS2/
I have to agree with you. I have spent far more on the analog side (both stereo and mono setups). The digital side just sounds better. Yes I have fallen down the rabbit hole of DSD, but they sound awesome. The reason I buy vinyl is for availability. There are a ton titles that are not available digitally. So I have to spend (a lot) more to get sound quality close to digital. And don't get me started on the price of media. The most expensive DSD I have ever purchased was $50. That damn 10" Jutta Hipp on Blue Note...
Was the same. So i m into cd now. Better sound, but still having something to handle.
Vinyl is a format that one either you love it or hate it.
Yeah...I had a couple hundred LPs from my younger days and decided recently to upgrade my system to listen to them again...Rega P6, Musical Fidelity MX-VYNL preamp and an Okki-Nokki to clean the collection. It could well be I'm doing something wrong but I've been underwhelmed with the sound. One thing Covid-19 has caused is a recalibration of priorities. Maybe I should just give up on the vinyl world...cut my losses.
Comparing cheap rega (20gbp) cartridge with ps audio streamer is not fair comparison xD what different carts do you have ? I'm just curious. Regards
Everything is detailed in the video description box above.
GAS, the field, Morphology, Thomas Fehlmann, plastikman..was that Plaid - Peel sessions? Good music. Uhm vinyl sounds incredible on a proper setup by the way.
Yup - Peel Sessions. ;) Are the Rega Planar 2, the Pro-Ject Perspex w/ Ortofon 2M Black and the Technics SL-1200G w/ Zu not proper setups? Jeez.
Nice! Only have the CD. I had no knowledge of your setup, sorry. Just saw the RP2 in the video.. Surely the SL1200G with 2MBlack and that tonearm should get you some pretty sweet sound. What phonostage/preamp do you use with that? Thanks for the vids.
One of the problems with comparing digital to analog (CDs to vinyl) is that most people today listen to their music either on a low quality single speaker radio like device or on cheap headphones. Vinyl listeners tend to invest more in actual stereo systems (which actually still exist). If you’re looking for pure convenience and ambient sound which you don’t plan on actually listening much to then digital played on a basic computer or port is enough. Vinyl and audiophile equipment isn’t for everyone, obviously. Cds played on a good system can sound excellent and in some cases better than vinyl from my experience. The early CDs had a lit to be desired but they improved.
Streaming music or the vinyl has the best quality of sound?
I loved vinyl, but..,. I,ve posted a link on 03rd April 2020 from Roger Sanders - who knows waaay more than me :)
Have you ever been to Beno’s in Croydon Surrey ?
I came up with a small Ikea vinyl storage hack a bit back.
Buy the Nesna bedside table but don’t install the glass top. It cost me £9 at the time 😛
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Nope. Not going hack to cds after reconverting to vinyl the last 10 years or so
Hello im 52 and sold all my vinyl in the late eighties the usual story cds the future blah blah .Started collecting again 9 years ago for one reason only and that is the sleeve and physicality of vinyl .I bought a turntable and phonostage etc etc nothing to high e recently bought a brand new Rega P3 and the main thing that it highlights is the difference in sound quality between pressings and recording processes used .Recent example is the reissue of Music for airports on double 180 grm 45 rpm(WHY) my god thats hiss on the tape right there .
New subscriber here. Great channel.
If you have the space, fair enough !
I’m in it for both. However, I’m going to be brutally honest here, vinyl is not better than HiFi streaming. I just love the uniqueness and character the record makes as the stylus moves around the grooves.
So John is it true that vinyl degrades over a period of time?
AND IF SO DOES THE CARTRIDGE QUALITY PLAY A PART IN THE LONGEVITY OF THE ALBUM?
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2:06 Genesis!
A good dusty find at your local thrift store is akin to time travel. Vintage vinyl's are time capsules.
Which Kallax is that?? is it real plywood?
Despite being painfully honest it is true anybody with a substantial experience in vinyl will know deep down that John is right. It's just that most still hooked audiophiles do not have the courege to admit it. Personally admitting It freed me and let me enjoy my sbstantial 1500+ record collection more since I have stopped worrying and spending my way trying to make them play as good as my digital files (ok some do but these are very few and mostly super expensive or rare records). Finally whoever buys modern cut records with the delusion that they are listening to analog sound are almost totally deluted. Sorry guys 95% of modern vinyl output of records comes from those files you stream on Tidal...
Isn’t Hifi a very love and hate relationship. I totally agree with you Vinyl... it’s the best format it’s physicality and experience is way beyond any other format but I agree the sound isn’t best, it can be great but the surface noise and pops and crackles to me become annoying after a couple of albums. Buying records pre 80’s is really hard as most records have been played to death and deservedly so apart from the odd Shaking Stevens record LOL
You get a like for referencing Shakin' Stevens.
Haha
I just listened to your vinyl podcast. I would agree about sub £1000 decks v digital. Certainly a better cartridge and a good phono stage and you might prefer vinyl for sound. Not heard digital that bests my Orbe/SME. Of course it could just be that superior mastering is applied to vinyl manufacture?
I have spent roughly the same amount of cash on both my setups, planar 3 with ania and neo power supply, Sutherland insight , vs directstream Jr., I preferred the sound of my analogue until snowmass was released last week, and it was a bittersweet moment because I love my vinyl, but the love is still strong for all the reasons you mentioned.
Completely agree, it's the ritual more than the sound quality. I still use a 30-year-old reel-to-reel for the same reason...it's simply fun to load and play.
All of my CD's have been ripped to a hard drive and most of the actual discs have been sold or traded off. I do keep the discs from my favourite musicians and bands but it's probably 1/10 of the music I own. Having said that I get no more pleasure listening a CD disc than I do listening to a copy of it's wave file. Playing LP's as well as being a physical experience there is also a visual component to it. I think we identify with the raw mechanical aspect more than the sound.
It's all about nostalgia.
Wow!!!you just de fremered me!!!I'm sure he just sent out a hitman!!!m fremer is to say the least analog friendly to the point of being sadly acidic towards anything else. Almost bigoted!! Such a great concept to be digitally positive. Thanks so much for a different attitude!
Len Ward Fremer is hilarious. He picked a digitally remastered vinyl over an original pressing. I knew he was a fake from that moment forward. It's amazing how much he and others love his 💩. He reminds me of the early Anton Ego from Ratatouille.
„ Been wasting most their time glorifying days long gone behind“
Wonder, St., Songs In The Key Of Life, Detroit, 1976
Great Music, artwork, textbook. Required my monthly allowance.
Zenith of analog recording.
Contemporary: William Parker, Voices Fall From The Sky, AumFidelity, Park West Studios, Brooklyn, New York, 2018. Epitome of excellence in recording. (Only the first CD is easy to digest imo) I listened to a vbr Streaming file. Digital or analog? I don’t waste my time anymore with this question.
I'm with John on this one! Love a good turntable - things of engineering beauty, however: sanderssoundsystems.com/technical-white-papers/265-digital-recording-white-paper
A controversial but welcome forthright viewpoint. LPs can indeed sound amazing, but in my personal experience the record decks I heard were easily matched or bettered by CD players 25% of the cost of the former. Retro being fashionable equals a resurgence in popularity in LPs which is great. I'm glad there seems to be more interest in real HiFi. However it is tiresome to be constantly hear their "Analogue" is better than our/my digital. Pompous egotism.
Pity that listening 👂 to vinyl doesn’t do it for you John. Though the quality of the recording makes a big difference to my enjoyment of the medium.
Take that piece of junk off the end of your tonearm and replace it with a Nagaoka 110 or 150.
You will be amazed at the improvement in performance and it won't break the bank.
Which one should I try first?
@@DarkoAudio MP-150 is a great all-rounder and sounds 'right' the minute the stylus hits the groove.
It you want to pay a little more, I recommend a Goldring 1042. I've used one, on and off, for over twenty years and keep coming back to it, even after trying a few expensive MC cartridges.
Both the above are rich, musical sounding cartridges. I hate the weedy, thin sounding rubbish that some of the media insist on promoting.
Your Rega deck and arm are very capable pieces. They will sing with a better cartridge, I promise you.
well said m8 when i got my p3 my buddy pointed out for the major issue i just got and when i replaced the issue whit a mp200 i was totally amazed with the results then i tired the 2m black as well but my hart was pulled back to the mp200
haha it always irks me when I see it in his videos. Super audio man running a rebranded $11 cartridge. He owns a 2m black according to the description, dont know why you would keep the rega carbon mounted when you own one of those.
I have to be able to troll my audience somehow. ;) Actually, I use the Rega in videos because it's relatively new to me and it's more photogenic than the Technics SL-1200G.
You need to upgrade your phono stage , turntable and cart then. Been into audio since 1978. Bought many many CD players and dads - between $300 to $5,000 for digital side and the sound quality differs very little BUT the analog side gets better the more I spend ! $
$300 CD player kills a $300 turntable but my $1500 Rega turntable kills my $2500 and $5000 CD players !
Might I kindly ask you to watch the video again and also read the description box.
You have nice stuff but what I have found you get bigger improvement in sound as you spend more money in analog than digital. $300 CD players gets you 90% of what a $3000 CD/Dac , Analog $300 vs $3000 is night and day different if you are playing an all analog recording with high end speakers or earphones.
Would love to hear your Technics setup
The PS Wave ( does PS still convert analog to digital ? )
Try Rega 6 or greater with the Rega Aria phono stage ( all analog stage )
note: spent I lot of money on digital over the yours and think you made a great choice with the PS audio for digital ( PS audio makes digital fuller and smother )
Again starting mid price analog system or higher my jaw drops when I hear an all analog vinyl record. Only time that happens in digital format ( have over 1000 DAD/SACD/DVD-a ) been when with small independent new recording at 96/24 or audiophile tape recording.
Same here
I agree humans are tactile creatures we need to touch feel smell what we own be it Books / Vinyl these fall into that category you just cannot get off with a digital file you see nothing for your money too