A 90's NES Clone With Two Cartridge Slots!
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- In this part of The Eric Experiment, we'll have a look at this Brazilian NES clone, or Famiclone, from the early 90's, a period where Brazil had heavy import restrictions for electronics.
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0:00 - Intro
0:36 - History
3:06 - Controller
3:21 - Insided Look
5:23 - Powering it up
6:33 - A/V
6:51 - The Games
7:28 - Super Mario Bros.
8:06 - Failures
8:45 - Solution
9:00 - Othelo
9:25 - Top Gun
9:35 - Super Mario Bros 3
10:12 - Baseball
10:33 - SEGA Controllers
11:36 - Outro
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As someone who grew up in Brazil during the 90’s, I was aware of the TurboGame from seeing it in printed ads, but the NES clone I owned as a kid was the “Phantom System” from Gradiente, a real Frankenstein’s monster of a console, as it had the insides of an NES, the body of an Atari 7200, controllers similar to a Genesis controller, a lightgun similar to a Master System Light Phaser, and it could play NES games, Famicom games (with an adaptor), the black Phantom System cartridges, as well as some “multi-game” cartridges. Those were the days.
bro got the ultimate console
The Turbo Game is an improved version of the Top Game… which was my first console (and which you showcased here). Famiclones dominated Brazil because the country made imports prohibitively expensive. So the national industry developed its own clones. And then Nintendo wasn’t in Brazil (and has come and gone several times since then).
Awesome video (still watching but decided to comment already).
Edit: not sure if you noticed (or even mentioned) but this console (and lots of clones) sounds different than an original NES. With higher pitched sounds.
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Well said. Looks like we are under prohibitive taxes again.
Verdade edu eu concordo com tudo que tu disse aí
Yeah people commented about the sound, I hadn't noticed it because I haven't spent much time with the NES throughout my life.
@@Vulto166 Yeah, we made the "L"...
Famiclones are actually perfectly legal in 2024. The main restrictions on their productions would be patent-related, and all of Nintendo’s hardware patents for their systems up to the N64 have by this point expired.
They are, like emulators, but that wouldn't stop Nintendo from trying something as they are known for being horrible in that front.
The challenge is to consider the country where the patent has expired, though. I wonder if they have any active patent in Brazil, disallowing the usage of such Famiclones.
Nintendo has never tried to take down a famiclone after the patents expired, they know they'd lose. @@TheEricExperiment
@@LoremasterFoxBuster No, they haven't. Famiclones are legal in Brazil too.
@@TheEricExperiment it's not that NES clones are legal in the same way emulators are (at least as far as Nintendo was concerned). Rather, NES clones are legal by virtue of the fact that their patents had expired. In other words, Nintendo cannot go after NES cloners any more than Disney can go after someone doing something with Steamboat Willie.
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This was pretty interesting. Most of the time you only really hear about what Japan was doing or the US. Every now and then people will occasionally talking about bootlegs but rarely something like this. So It's great you're taking the time and reminding everyone about this
Clone systems from back in the day are fascinating! Cool video!
Hi everyone from the USA As a Brazilian, I am very honored by this video for showing something Brazilian and a hug to Tee
Would you perchance know the Retropolis podcast? (This very video will be in it shortly)
This clone also has the incorrect sound with the reversed duty cycles, as most of the later NOAC clones had. This is interesting, as I always thought that this was a fault of the NOAC.
Addendum: The Sega controllers won’t work because Nintendo uses shift registers and a serial protocol for the controllers and Sega’s scheme is basically an extension of the way Atari and Commodore did, where each input had its own pin. The basic pin out for the directions and the first fire button is also identical, that’s why these controllers work on the 8 and 16 bit home computers and on the Amiga, there are even some games that support the extra buttons on a Sega controller. Turrican 2 and 3 at least do.
NoaCs were directly based on discrete clone chips, and almost if not all discrete clone chips from UMC suffer from the reverse duty cycle issue (even the micro genious branded ones). The ones labelled "TA-****" usually have correct duty cycles, but in my experience, they're rarer (in my region at least). The more modern noac consoles are actually less likely to have the reverse duty cycle bug
That explains all of those shift registers inside of the console.
One thing I remember from 90s Poland was a famiclone that also had two ports, one for the Famicom games and the other for PAL NES games. Those things were rare, expensive, and ultimately useless since the most popular were ordinary famiclones with just "famicom" slots and it wasn't really easy to get your hands on a NES cartridge, famicom carts (especially bootlegs and multicarts) were much more common to find.
//edit: I also must say that this definitely isn't the one I saw in Poland, because that specific board had a completely different design, the Fami and NES ports were perpendicular to each other.
8:45 I love that there's a scan of the manual out there, to me it's another form of video game preservation.
Nice job spreading Brazilian videogame history to the world!
P.S.: props for the 5:53 reference!
Cool and interesting video about a region I have no idea about in terms of video games. Great humor and nice production values on the video!
Got randomly recommended here now I'm going to watch more videos good stuff my man
Eu saquei que tu era brasileiro só pelo sotaque enquanto falava inglês, hahahaha
Boa sacada fazer vídeos em inglês, mano! Assim você pode alcançar um público ainda maior. Valeu pelo vídeo, curti muito seu trabalho! Mais um inscrito!
também percebi pelo sotaque que ele é brasileiro! 😂😂😂
e nao
@@kuranakarixx Eu estava me achando o fluente pq eu tava entendendo tudo na amior facilidade, mas veio o choque de realidade quando ele explicou a sigla CCE com sotque carioca
Super interesting video. I like your personality too. Subbed!
I still have both CCE clones, one compatible with the Atari 2600 and the other compatible with the NES. Both are complete and still in the box. I made a video of each of them.
Welcome back brother.
Thanks CZcams for presenting this channel for me.
I'm 43 years old and I had one of that console and I was very happy with it at that time.
I'm glad the algorithm served me your video, this kind of content is similar to what I do on my own channel, so obviously I'm into it. I show my own Top Game there in a couple of videos, I even modded it to support the Famicom expansion audio. You may also have noticed the audio difference as this console has swapped duty cycles. The SEGA controllers don't work here because they work in a complete different manner, the SEGA controllers are simpler inside (I also have a video about that in my channel, LOL)
CCE Turbo Game was my first video game, I was 10 years old. If it weren't for CCE making this wonderful console, I wouldn't have any contact with NES/Famicom games. At that time it was very difficult to buy original products, especially international items. Thanks for the video
I'm 38 years old, and this was my first console, I played it a lot, and I got games from a friend who had the original Nintendo and most of them worked. I am from Brazil
that was very interesting. Thanks for the video!
Woah good channel find!
5:18 "Honey, I think the neighbor is testing old hardware again!" "Ugh, again? Fiiiiiiiiine, I'll call the fire department..."
Hahhahaha
Welcome back Eric! :)
Small correction: as stated in 1:56, the CCE Supergame VG-2800 is actually a almost direct clone from the Coleco Gemini, not the Sega SG-1000. The Turbo Game is one of the most cool brazillian clones from back in the day... mine is fully modded: audio expansion for japanese cartridges, video mod to remove jailbars and interference (which the Turbo Game is specially bad), new caps, LED on the power button... you can even make it NTSC and swap CPU and PPU for the original NES/FC chips.
Both were releaseds the same year 1983 so I have no clue which one inspired the other and which one is actually a copy of the other
@@jordananderson8299 Coleco Gemini was released in the US in 1982. The VG-2800 was released in July of 1984 in Brazil. And both don't look like the SG-1000 at all, so...yeah.
You mean a clone or the design?
@@TheEricExperiment They're pretty much both Atari 2600 clones, so you can say the Gemini was already a clone and the VG 2800 is the clone of a clone ahuhaha (but yeah, i was refering mostly to the design of the VG being almost identical to the Gemini)((the Gemini even went above and beyond modifying the TIA chip of the atari to avoid legal problems...but you can swap a working TIA with a little modification on a non working Gemini, check the Veim dos Game channel, he did a video about it some weeks ago))
My cousin had a cce turbo game, back in 1994, we played, and I had the nes just like this one, just parallel, greetings from Brazil
My first exposure to video games was the Dynavision 4, another famiclone with a similar two slot setup, which was hilariously marketed as "The most compatible of the Nintendos", right in the front of the box. That would never fly today.
Amazing to see this! I also have one and I still play it every now and then. Brings great memories of my childhood. I also had one Super Game but I took it apart for a science project. Anyway, super nostagic! Amazing content!
Duuuuuuuude I been gaming since atari 2600 and I have NEVER EVER seen ANY of this!!! Very awesome love the channel. ❤😍
Oooohh, I had one of these! The dual cartridge slots worked like a charm, as well as the two upside-down Genesis controllers - both with turbo buttons, BTW.
Great memory! ❤
Ha, our very famous (here) NES clone featured on a non brazilian channel! This is so cool :)
It is a Brazilian channel hahaha.
I live in Australia but I'm from Rio.
First video I've seen of yours. Saw the intro hit subscribe.
This console is actually pretty cool, it suffers from the same sound chip issues as most clone NES consoles do but the fact it can play any region without issues is awesome.
This video was very cool!
well done and researched!
Very nice video fellow american here from the USA, I am glad this popped up on my feed. I love Brazil and always wanted to learn more about the culture, people & technology. Since the country's language is Portuguese, I can understand some of it being from a latin background the form of talk and some words are the same but I can't speak it, one day I hope to. I really liked that mini computer you have there and the old school tube tv thats always great to see. I am interested in checking it out. Look forward to seeing more of your content.
This was my second console (first one was a Dactar) and I love it. Mine came bundled with Gun Smoke.
I love the controllers, they are comfortable to use and has very soft, not-clicky buttons. And yes, they still work.
Wow, I thought you were Brazilian and I was correct! Could tell from the accent ☺️ love the video, keep up the great work! 💕
perfect RJ accent!
We Brazilians love your channel !😊
Good video. Subbed. You could do a whole series on cloned consoles.
I have a few more and I'll do videos about them eventually. But I don't have enough to do a whole series. Getting these things from Brazil is kinda hard unless I visit or someone comes visit
Turbo Game was my first contact ever with Nintendo and I'm very grateful it exists
My first video game was a Top Game 8000... just loved it!
Hi! Awesome video. Would it be possible to get a link to the DB9 NES Clone to NES controller adapter?
I have been searching for quite a while. Thanks.
The CCE Turbogame was known here in Uruguay, also the "Phantom System" by Gradiente.
Nice video! There are some small modifications we make to the hardware of this console that reduce interferences and improve the video a little. The controls aren't very good either, but overall it's very loved by Brazilian retrogamers.
Danm your videos are pretty poggers brother
Canal e video incríveis. Me increvi pra acompanhar. Sucesso!
“I have no idea what’s going on here”… I felt that
I had this back in the day! I currently own another clone, called Phantom System, but Turbogame was still so much better!
Some officially released Famicom games (usually third party such as Nuts & Milk,) used tin or solder covered contacts which I can scratch off using the cardboard paper stick from a cotton swab, instead of the properly "hard gold plated" contacts of first party famicom games and international official NES games.
The tin or lead contacts scratch off onto the cartridge slot, then smear from the slot's pins onto whatever cartridge is connected next.
I'd suggest using a toothbrush with isopropyl alcohol (between 70% and 99%) on the cart slot and a cotton swab on the cartridges themselves, since I've gotten games listed as "broken / not working" which needed nothing more than a good cleaning.
Um CCE Turbo Game.... um dos melhores clones brasileiros de NES ou Nintendo Famicom. Eu tinha um quando eu criança nos anos 1990. Bons tempos! Saudações vindas do Rio de Janeiro.
The CCE Mario Cartridge title isn't an error, rather, it's an unlicensed variation on Mario with the title screen edited to try and deflect Nintendo. There's also a version of Mario which goes by many titles, but it's an SMB1 cartridge with the opposite mirroring of how the game usually is, and you basically see non-solid versions of stage components ahead of you early on one half of the screen. It's still fully playable, but depending on the player it can be harder. If you have an ordinary SMB1 cartridge, you can wire a toggle switch to switch between SMB1 or the mirroring glitch version.
Nice video! had a Master System II of TecToy! in Argentina they had the licenses of all products of Sega (i thinks).
(no supe que eras de Brasil hasta que pronunciaste "Comercio de Componentes Electrónicos" así que saludos hermano!)
That was my childhood console. I donated it in a Christmas because it was in bad shape, but I need to buy another one just for the nostalgia.
Oh, and a small correction, most brazilian cities use 220V/60Hz, 110 is used only in some capitals that had older power planta from US that used this voltage. Nowadays it is all 220V, converted to 110 for those cities.
that's the reason we don't have 110V anymore, but 127V instead.
Just clarifying. Was completely fine to plug Turbogame in the 220v, most of the electronic equipament from Brazil, even on the 80's and 90's can actually work also in 50Hz, besides all brazilian grid be 60Hz with some regions having 127v and other 240v. Besides the looking of the transformer, it works pretty fine with 240v, even in older equipament.
Love those brazilian clones from the 80s - I used to have TK90 and TK95 ZX Spectrum clones which are some of the best clones with high integration, with PAL-M/N specific modifications.
I have a tk-90 and a tk-90x, I'll make videos about them eventually.
did u already cover the dynavision family another nes brazilian clone with 2 cartridge slots ?
i had a dynavision 3 back in the day
Dude, I have the same small 14" Philips TV. I love it
I'm brazilian, and I got a Dynavision Xtreme from Dynacom, a Nes clone. Phantom System, Turbo Game, Top Game and Polystation are famous nes clones.
with hdmi vga and composite inputs that monitor is so versatile!
Gradiente(in 93 begins to publisher Nintendo oficial games and console on Brasil), Dynavision and CCE they are companies make Famiclones on Brasil!
Hello there, you have a very good youtube channel here, subscribed! As a fellow compatriot, I would love to know where did you buy this adaptor shown in the video (to use NES controllers on Top Game). I have a Dynavision 3 in home, and I think I can use the same adaptor... Thanks by the way!
I got it on Mercado Livre, sent it to my parents and they brought it to Australia when they visited.
My childhood console was a Dynavision 3, a famiclone, pretty much like turbo game, with 2 cart slots.
Have you tried cleaning the Saint Seiya cartridge or using a 60 to 72 pin adapter in the NES slot?
I have tried cleaning it, I don't have that adaptor.
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk eu tava meio na duvida se vc era brasileiro ou não, até que ouvi "Comércio de Componentexxx Eletrônicoxxx'.... LIKE no vídeo
That VG-2800 Atari clone actually looks more like it was inspired by the Coleco Gemini VCS clone than the Sega SG series. Really, even the controller ports are in the same positions, and has the same switch style. The only major difference is the difficulty switch placement being on the top instead of the front between the controllers and the Gemini having a slanted top panel. Considering the Gemini was the first licensed VCS clone, I think that tracks more. (For those not in the know, the Gemini was basically the guts of the ColecoVision VCS expansion module modified to be standalone.)
When it comes to the Genesis gamepad, it actually uses a different config in the pins vs an actual DB9 connection uses. I saw a video on 8-bit Guy's channel once that said something about possibly can short out if you plug it in a DB9 connection or something. I can't remember which video he talked about that in though.
That's good to know!
Do you have a copy of Mega Man 3 around? Because if you have can you test something? I had this same console and by some kind of error Hard Man was vivid orange not black from my memory and I dont know if it was the television or the cartigde or it was because the PPU so if you can test it that would be nice. Thanks! :)
I don't have it, but if I come across one I'll give it a try.
love myself some famiclones!
Nice video and what an odd piece of hardware.
When playing PAL games, what does the console actually output? Is it pure PAL (probably not?) or some weird format like NTSC-50? Or does it stay at NTSC and the games are running faster?
It's always PAL-M, which runs at 60hz.
@@TheEricExperiment Ah, right, you had the best of both worlds back in the analogue days.
60 Hz (FPS) and the better PAL color encoding 😊
Another Brazilian company, called "Dynacom", released the "Dynavision 3", an NES clone that also had two slots for NES and FAMICOM cartridges.
Says the SMB cart seems to be working fine, can hear the reversed sound channel glitch...
Have you tried to use its own controller (without breaking it)? So, I had this one and I also had the adapters for US -> JP and JP -> US just in case for slot malfunction. Had a lot of fun with it. The main problems were: it breaks a lot, overheat easily, and breaks a lot. Have you tried the Phantom System?
No, I nerd to get one.
I had one of those, with the inverted moon controller.
It was my first video game, I miss it so much.
Yes, the 6516 is a 16KB static RAM chip. in the NES, each CPU had one to work with.
I still have a Phantom System, the best 72 pins clone, and a dual slot named Dynavision 3 with both 60 and 72 pins.
Does it play PAL games at 50Hz, or at 60Hz, and thus faster than they played on a PAL console (which was slower for games that weren't speed compensated)? Is that monitor an LCD or CRT? I assume the former.
Yeah, it's an LCD, I showed how I built it in the Tiny 486 video.
Great video. Just a small correction, the 425w inverter is "up to" 425watts capable. Which means it doesn't _need_ that power, it's just the max power it can handle. The 12V power supply can be lower than 425w or higher than 425 and it may work ok for that console.
But the real issue would be efficiency of the inverter. To be able to provide energy, older inverters were not efficient enough, needing way more power from the 12v input. So imagine the inverter during operation, imagine it is supplying max power (425w) its pretty common to see it eating up to 850watts of power from the 12V power supply. Which, it may or may bot be 80plus certified, but that's another story...
Yeah, the stuff I use on it consume very little power and it this is a new inverter so it shouldn't be a problem.
Adoro onturbo game, fez parte da minha vida!!! Hoje tenho 2 turbo games
This was my first console. Good times.
I've never had a Turbo Game but my two Dynavision 3 consoles (which also have dual slots) still work well after all this time. The Brazilian "fauna" of clones in the 1980s and 1990s is fascinating. What I consider the most curious is the Onyx Junior, an Atari 2600 clone with pause button.
Ah, CCE... a brand with a reputation so terrible that every brazilian who had a CCE product would joke about the CCE acronym having different meanings (such as, "Comprei Coisa Errada", "Cemitério de Componentes Eletrônicos", "Conserta Conserta Estraga", "Conjuntos de Componentes Estragados", "Central das Cagadas dos Engenheiros", and so on)
Among those I only knew Conserta, Conserta, Estraga! Lol there’s also Cliente Comprou Errado!
@@tropicalretro "Começou comprando errado", hehehe
Os Microsystems eram terriveis. Em 20 anos Meu pai teve meia dúzia.
Comecei Comprando Errado.
I've had one of these. My first videogame since Atari 2600
I had a CCE’s SuperGame Atari clone. I think it had a good design, and the joysticks were more ergonomic than Atari’s. But in the other side the console had hardware quality issues. I remember my family had to send it more than one time to the technical assistance to get it functioning… just to go broke some time again.
Something funny about the controller is that it wouldn't even need a shift register because of the fact that it uses DB9. So theoretically it could just be a board with contacts and a few wires. Kinda funny
Man, was that apple ii clone in an Atari 1200 case?? More info?
nice video. I know Brazil was the wild west when it came to clones.
So this will play NTSC games but output them to PAL?
Is the speed of the games correct in this case?
The console is PAL-M, which runs at 60hz like NTSC, so theoretically PAL games will run faster.
@@TheEricExperiment Cool, thanks. Learned something new! Really odd this combination of 60Hz and PAL color. Makes me wonder why Brazil is regularly listed under PAL countries.
Always check the compatibility of controllers with systems. Even if they have the same plug, you could damage the components of the controllers or console/computer, also I strongly recommend you do not switch them while the machine is on. Could have the same result.
Very nice famiclone, never seen it before, thanks for making a video on it.
Nintendo cant complain too much, since their cpu is basically a 6502 clone, that's one reason why "Famiclones" are so easy to produce.
Theres lots of nes clones with dual cartridge slots. Dendy, Pegasus etc.
One of best I have (at moment broken/needs fix) is pegasus with both 60 and 72 pin slot :)
1:50 The design of those CCE products have nothing to do with the SG-1000 but the Coleco Gemini / Columbia Home Arcade. The Dynavision 3 also had dual slots.
I still have mine today, working perfectly, my late father gave it to me.
I'd probably mod it to flip the NES contacts backwards so you can see the NES label from the front while playing!
That'd be tough, the cartridge is probably like that because they couldn't route the traces on the motherboard to face the opposite way.
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Dude, I'm Brazilian and this is just the tip of the iceberg. =)
Some observations.
That is a NTSC based clone. The NTSC NES runs at 1.79 Mhz, and the PAL NES runs at 1.66 Mhz, a 17% difference. When you run PAL games, they will run and the music will play 1.7x faster than they would if using PAL hardware. If it was a PAL based clone, NTSC games would run 1.7x slower than they should.
When in 1987 the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer UMC made the first clone chips of the Ricoh 2A03 CPU and 2C02 PPU they called "UA6527" and "UA6528", human error crept in. These copy chips do not correctly produce valid YUV color values, do not run all CPU cycles correctly and the pulse wave duty cycles for the square waves that make up the lead instruments in NES music have their duty cycles reversed. This is very notable in Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3 when coins are collected, the pitch is wrong.
Unfrotunetely, since the world of bootlegs have no quality control, nearly every clone of the Famicom hardware right to this day carries the same mistakes UMC made in 1987. Hop on aliexpress and unless you buy an FPGA or else emulation based clone, you'll get modern clones with the very same flaws this and every other Famiclone have had since 1987.
The good news is that that clones of this age use motherboards that are 1:1 compatible with the real Ricoh chips. You could desolder and discard those UMC clones and replace them with the CPU and PPU from a real NES, turning that clone into effectively a real NES without any of the errors.
It might be worth thinking about, especially if you can find a cosmetically damaged or otherwise non-working NES.
This console, being Brazilian, is PAL-M, which runs at 60hz.
PAL-M is a bit weird and it's exclusive to some South American countries I think, mainly Brazil.
@@TheEricExperiment I understand what you are saying. Although this clone may be designated PAL, what I'm telling you is those clone CPU and PPU were made in Taiwan by UMC and are very much NTSC, not PAL at all. That clone has an NTSC CPU and NTSC PPU. The only thing PAL about that clone is the power supply to fit the market it was sold in. It's still an NTSC clone.
Also, the reason Master System, Megadrive, Atari etc controllers will not work this or any other NES clone is due to the difference in controller protocol. The DB-9 standard came from one pin being an input, like up, down, and fire. But the NES works off a 4021 shift register that pulses the signals like a matrix, the same way a keyboard works. This is true for clones too. They went with DB-9 connectors simply because they were far cheaper than the specific shaped connectors the real NES hardware used. In other words, although the plugs are shaped like DB-9 connectors, they are not. Any controllers designed for standard DB-9 will never work. Also Megadrive/Genesis controllers use a multiplexer circuit. Depending on the input, you could be applying +5v across a pin that wasn't ever intended and burn it out. Its highly advisable you don't attempt such a thing with these clones.
@@SatoshiMatrix1It's not about the power supply. Brazil uses 60hz. The Brazilian PAL-M system is basically NTSC using the PAL color carrier frequency, so what the console actually most likely does is just convert the generated NTSC signal to PAL-M.