[4:00] - Physical aggression study - research of juvenile delinquency research - Peaked at age 2/3 [8:50] - The problem with research and terminology [11:11] - Why was he surprised by the studies, and what assumptions did he have [14:20] - Similar to the findings of Thomas Hobbes and the idea of original sin [16:02] - Why does this resistance to this type of data manifest itself? [18:50] - Walkthrough how all children are not the same violent [22:00] - Risk factors, more likely to be male, mothers who didn't complete high school education [23:30] - Characterizing the mothers who have aggressive children, fail in school, emotional problems, problems with smoking, drugs, every problem you can mention, and multi-generational development [27:30] - Hierarchy of risk factors, no clear data where a nonoptimal birth increases proclivity for aggression or decreases the ability that the child would be able to control it [30:00] - Experimental interventions on helping (supporting during pregnancy after birth) young women with behavioral problems [32:45] - What needs do these women have? [33:00] - Is marital status a risk factor? Part of the problem is assortative mating [37:30] - The role of the father aggressive fathers; modelling the parents [38:50] - The ease of hitting and stealing vs the challenge to get a toy with negotiation [40:40] - The methods parents use for discipline (the disciplinary strategies that are implemented for the child, using words instead of physical expression) [42:24] - Back to experimental interventions. The interventions 20 years down the line, and the girls are acting much better. it's possible to change the life of the children [44:20] - What the interventions looked like, and what the mother would receive. Visits at home, and the nurse will console her in all her decisions in life [47:40] - Quality daycare [53:00] - The cost of daycare [55:30] - How you identify who is at risk [58:00] - Grouping study social children with anti-social children - How did you encourage people to make friendships? [1:03:00] - Relating his studies against the theories of tyrannical hierarchies [1:07:30] - How is his work being received among sociologists [1:12:20] - What are the weaknesses of what he is doing. and scientific funding; The philosophical opposition because of the anti-rousseauian nature of research and finding out information is different than what you expected [1:24:10] - The biology of aggressive behavior [1:39:30] - How he evaluates his career - is it what he wants, why, and who should consider doing this type of work? [1:42:10] - What got him interested in his research [1:45:10] - The compelling nature of doing research [1:49:00] - Sex different in aggressions - girl aggression - more indirect aggression vs. males physical; what is indirect aggression [1:59:00] - Jordan sums up the argument [2:05:00] - Preparation for people looking to get into research
@@therealbs2000 I found difficult to understand Dr. Trembly at times. It may have been that english is his second language. i came away somewhat more confused. I grew up in a dysfunctional family. My life although fairly successful, has been fraught with challenges. Learning disabled, gay, bi-polar disorder, depression, anxiety, addiction, alcoholism and mental/psychological and violent sexual abuse as a boy by a woman in a position of power and authority, are all in my history. I'm approaching my mid-seventies and am still unravelling that history like an onion. I find the video intriguing, but so much of it goes counter to so much I had previously thought? There was a time in my life where I thought I was going to explode with anger. It was terrifying. I had the urge to strike out. I've spent decades in support groups and therapy. I never want to go back to that. But at least I'm still alive. That has to count for something?
@@alanfournier3071 yes yess your life is the best gift go do what makes you happy what's in the past will stay in the past you own this moment and only the present moment go be happy be free and forget the past
I know we've seen a lot of podcasts lately. But let me say this: MORE! Yasssss! I'm being bloody spoiled and I love it. Thank you Doc for the epic work and the courage of being smart in the age of applauded stupidity.
@@janinemaldonado336 Yeah, and I gotta say.. Doc's got a good grip on the tech, on socials, great network. It's surprising to see that this guy had even a greater back of tricks up the sleeve
@rob91011 I already bought the book; enjoyed the shit out of it and I'd love to see another, maybe on relationships.. That would be epic. As for the pod; trust me, an ad takes 30 seconds. This is not an ad ;)
I must say, as a volunteer with several Scouting groups in my area for 17 years, I've had a singular, consistent opportunity to observe family groups enmass. What I observed in my interactions with the kids, their families and extended families reflect this interview completely. I've witnessed in real time; well, the studies and results that are discussed here. During the course of watching, memories of Instances were triggered and confirmation of my observations were established. How fascinating I was doing research in my head and these gentleman were able to sum up 17 years of my life, in an hour and a half. 🤯🤯🤯
I'm a brand new mom so I really really appreciate all of this information. I listen to all of Jordan Petersons work. He's absolutely one of the greats.
@@thehornswogglehumdinger9612 I do. His wife also gives good advice. I'm still at the beginnings of mothering bit him saying "don't let your children do things that make you not like them" is very good advice and I'll definitely keep it in my back pocket. Not that I am excited to discipline my son. But to know that you want him to be likable and that starts from a young age.
@@ethicent4888 that’s fascinating. I’ll be sure to remember that advice as well. I wish you too the best of luck and congratulations. Thank you for responding.
@Invictus thank you! I agree with all of this. Also (from your point above) I try to stay totally away from sugars unless they are natural. Stuff is so bad for us. And! Im terrified it'll make him not want to eat good food and I just can't cave to that because (again to your point above) short term fix... Long term problem.
Can I just say how thankful I am to Dr. Trembley for taking the effort to do this? It cannot be easy to expose your life's work to the scrutiny of the internet
As a father to a 5 month old boy here in South Africa, this has been a very important podcast for me. I'll certainly be delving deeper into this topic. I owe a real debt of gratitude to both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Tremblay for this conversation, so thank you to both. This podcast is definitely changing the world for better.
Hi Kagiso, if I can give you one piece of advice, please look into brain development in children. It's a major eye opener and should be taught to all parents. Much material available even on CZcams.
@@solaveritas2 I was telling my partner this exact thing this morning. How is that we insist children learn math that most of them will never have use for, yet never mention this subject. “Meh, just go have fun and procreate, you’ll figure it out.” It is utterly insane that this not taught, at least from a practical perspective, at the high school level.
@Tom DiVittis Math is like working out the logic muscles in your mind. But yeah some people need to spend time visualizing basic math instead of memorizing formulas for more complex math.
@@drugsorme2714 right. I don’t mean to say math is useless….but let’s be realistic. Balancing a checkbook (and knowing why) is way more important for most people than regression analysis (or whatever it was I learned my junior year in high school that was never useful for anything).
The nurses that deal with the high risk mothers during pregnancy - 2 years have my total and complete admiration. They are cleaning up the messes of previous tragedies head on, and I’m sure they are not well compensated for it. I’m grateful they are doing this crucial work, and working towards actually breaking the cycle. 👏
I'm a mother of 4. I have three boys and one girl. Early on I realized that while boys are still non-verbal they tend to have more of an aggressive nature. For me the most important intervention lies within the mother-child bond. Its incredibly important that kids know that mother's love is unconditional. Early on kids need to be held accountable for unacceptable aggression through compassion. I worked counseling women on breastfeeding and infant and child nutrition for almost nine years. However, my counseling always led back to bonding, co-sleeping, and breastfeeding. When we learn to listen to our mother's intuition and not so much to what society finds acceptable , we women do much better at bonding and kids are much more compassionate. This inevitably reduces aggression.
Some serious internalized misogyny here...the best lesson you can teach your sons is to respect women as equal humans instead of servants to men. Done and done.
The humility of JBP should be emulated by everyone. You can see he knows the research but respectfully allows his guest to say it in his own words. "Assume the person you are listening to knows something you don't"
@@larrysmith2123 Yes It’s common sense. It has to be common sense. But sadly thesedays there are many people who doesn’t try to listen to others and just keep saying they’re right only with what they belive to be true. That makes lots of unecessary problems we witness not only in person but also in many ways like media nowadays.
Pre school,children could be put in care of the elderly in care homes. This would stimulate both the elderly but also the young children would learn so much. Of course there would have to be some support with paid staff. This initiative would have lasting benefits on both sides and indeed to the public purse.
I understand your point about the benefits of kids and elderly relationships. Would be good idea if it wasnt for the tendency for kids to run into people and possibly knock them over and spread germs.
@@heidikindon5182 actually generally it was a very major thing for elderly to help take care of grandkids as well as guidance in the past that is period of 100 years ago to probably the start of homo sapiens. Probably wast majority of past, few people got to old age and that showed quite a bit of wisdom. People keep forgetting that the one and only evolutionary intended reason to feel positive emotion was the contribution to other people.
I'm a father of two boys (2 years apart) with very different temperaments. My youngest seemed upset about being here from birth. By 2, he was somewhat speech delayed and frustrated. Early intervention made a huge difference in his life. He's far better now at dealing with his frustration. We are so thankful for the wonderful woman that helped him at that age. Also both of my sons attended a Pre-k program and we think it was a very good experience for them both.
Hello Mr Jordan Peterson. I am very pleased to here you talk to anyone, but you have been making some outstanding choices lately, and thank you for that.
I agree, these last few have basically given us, his audience, wisdom that these guest have accumilated over decades. Im so grateful for it. It really helps my perspective and mental attitude
I’ve watched this twice and read much of the referred material. Absolutely wonderful information for a mother to learn. My kids’ lives (and their children’s children) will be better bc of this interview. Thank you!
How so specifically? I am a mother of 3 boys ages 7, 5 and almost 2, and two daughters, ages 4 and 1mo. This is a very interesting as well as his interview RE school shooters.
Actually JP seems to know more about it than Trembley. Moreover, he has frequently referred to or cited much of this research in various lectures etc over the last few years.
This is so ignorant. As a target of aggressive violent siblings,we know the doctor is only making cent$ in a monitery fashion promulgating lies evil and mischief.
Yet, even when you prove it, they will not believe it if it is something the are unwilling to accept, something that would force them to admit an uneasy truth.
Agreed, I really respect him and find him helpfull, but he makes me feel a little bit guilty and sinfully lazy quite often.. 🤭 Witch is a very good thing! But I wonder is that the thing why many people so passionately seem to hate him?
@@76blackwidow no, they are not. That’s why the only conclusion they come to is that he must be a racist and misogynist. I hate to sound like I’m just characterizing them in a silly/shallow way, but their own comments indicate this to be true.
As a father to 3 adopted siblings who were running headlong towards a path of chaos and disaster, it gives me a lot of hope to hear that something can be done to help their development and possibly change their future. It is DIFFICULT work and it's easy to lose sight of the big picture which is why I appreciate conversations like these. Thanks Dr Peterson! Keep giving us content like this and keep sharing how we can traverse through these trenches
Actually you can to an extent control what happens to you. Recognising your locus of control over your circumstances is important. You are not as smart as you wish to appear.
This includes so many good lessons that are apparently hidden behind the norms used in common language and in standardizing scientific study: 1. Make the earliest years of every child full of warmth and positive attention 2. Inclusion and leading by example can build the pro-social behaviours you want to see 3. Support mothers/care-givers in all stages because this has long-term benefits for those in their care 4. Embrace learning what experience will prove to you 5. Respect the authority of those who have allowed experience to teach them 6. Being kind does more good than science can measure (although, apparently they can prove its impact on the second generation, so that's a start).
So impressed and appreciate Jordan's questions that narrow the answers to be a more specific form that is helpful. He is simply gifted in this form of communication. Great information. Thank you. Gma Jo
I am a pediatric dentist and we also have a lot to add on our observations during challenging treatments. Specially when we don´t have access to sedation. It is a real endeavour to master all psychological understanting and manage behavioral. Thank you both for a wonderfull "walk" throught this beatifull universe of being. Great path Dr. Peterson. God bless.
Awesome, interesting and totally applicable! I'm halfway through my bachelor's in Psychology (Dr Peterson inspired me to get into it) at 41 years old. We are learning about this very topic at the moment. This video just motivated me even more. Thank you for everything, Dr Peterson! You helped me to change my life... and you continue to inspire me constantly!
Thank you again Dr. Peterson & Dr. Trembley. Yet another amazing talk. I appreciate you both so very much, and, if I may speak on behalf of the overwhelming majority of everyone listening, we all appreciate you, your minds, and this discussion! 💛
We are so blessed and spoiled to have these amazing and interesting conversations readily available here on CZcams!. I never thought I would so interested in listening to 1.5 -2 hour conversations about these kinds of topics. Thank you and God bless, Dr. Peterson!
Thank you for bringing the attention to this theme. This is so important! If you want a society with only a little bit of equal chances this is the most important thing you can do. A neglected or abused child is so much worse off in our ever more complicated society when he is an adult and really cannot compete with healthy individuals.
Both my daughters are day care teachers in Australia. These centres are privately owned by greedy people who fail to provide enough teachers to give quality care except on days when assessors appear. I am horrified by the stories of what happens in the baby rooms in child care centres. How parents can leave their tiny babies in a room with 9 other babies and a couple of young girls baffles me. We should be funding mothers to stay at home with support and take care of their own children until they are at least 3 years old.
I haven't heard of a single family in AU whose child has not been traumatized in day care. Complete failure, and the laws here don't seem protect the families in any way. Parents have said basically animals have more "protections" than kids between under 7.
Completely agree. High quality daycares are VERY expensive and hard to find (in the US). Most daycares have horrible conditions. I don’t think daycare is the holy grail solution. I agree that we should be encouraging mothers to stay home with their children with support at least during the first years of life so they can focus on nurturing and socializing them.
The funny thing is, women with 1 or 2 kids always lament how hard it is to care for them but they don’t question how some woman can look after 4 of them properly in a daycare. It makes no sense but they are sold the narrative that the socialisation is good for the kids and that it’s educational even for young babies (like in this video).
100% true!!! If daycare is so great, why isn't this last generation the most well adjusted of any generation!! If mom's are at home, then the kids that are at risk become more visible to the neighborhood, then mom's s can help the kids that are in trouble. Home is just better for our whole community.
Stress (i.e. from domestic violence/dysfunction) is one of the major problems during pregnancy as the increased presence of cortisol affects brain development negatively. I'm surprised they didn't mention this when it came up (around 30 minutes in)
This guy seems like hard work but Peterson is doing quite well prompting, coaxing along and even reminding him of what they’re supposed to be discussing.
Yeah was thinking the same, he has a really tough time coming up with specific examples when talking about what the difficulties and hurdles are with obtaining research money and such
Dr. Peterson, I don't know if you are reading these comments, but I would be very interested in a talk from you about Cannabis and its effects on the psyche. With kindest regards from CH
I live in Scotland and have spent my career between mental health and youth justice. Two great things being done which relates to the support of at risk families/children are 1. The Named Person - from pregnancy to leaving high school, the professionals are assessing and intervening throughout the childhood, ie midwife, teachers, community nurses. 2. Criminal Justice - specifically young people, using a Whole Systems Approach. Focus on the needs, learning deficits, problem solving, by professionals in health,social work, housing, police. And last point , a child in trouble cant be treated on their own, need to work with family too, that's a given. Brilliant show as always!!
This assumes that the intervening 'professionals' are acting in the best interests of the families and that they know what they are doing. I have heard people discussing whether children should be removed from families, but don't recall these people considering whether the proposed interventions are better or even good. It's all a bit one-sided, with the assumption that 'professionals' know what is best and have these peoples best interests at heart.
Yes I see your point. The named person is a new approach, born from extreme cases of neglect on the part of family, professionals and society whereby children died. The named person works within a system and an individual has no authority to make extreme decisions alone. It's designed to highlight concerns, which are followed up with other professionals and the family, through discussion, assessment and offering appropriate interventions, safety and need of the child are at the core. Discussion of removing children would only occur if there was an imminent danger to a child or in rare cases the child is expressing dangerous behaviour. In scotland, professionals may talk, vent frustration at parents behaviour, but parents have support of the law re their children and in my experience when there is talk about removing a child, I've agreed with it. But generally the consensus had been let's look at ways to help. All professionals working, in contact with children have statutory training on a yearly basis, to be aware of the harms to children, so as to be aware and act when necessary. Also, regular supervision and specific assessments. It's still in early stages,and as Jordan points out there so many factors in our society that humans need to learn. I believe ultimately children are not given the priorities they need. E.G It remains legal in the UK for parents to discipline children with violence, Scottish government created a bill to make hitting children illegal, and the UK government is trying to stop it. Many of us agreed that help came too late, hence an awareness of the content of this podcast. Thus much hope for the future in helping children.
Imagine the knowledge contained in this world bundled and curated by the great nations of this world as their transcendental duty to this planet that created this beauty!
I admire peterson for being willing to put himself out there & inevitably get so much vitriolic criticism as a result- especially considering everything he's been through. The things I've been through just make me withdraw from society & not want to expose myself to needless hardship or criticism. I work & have my few friends, but I basically hide myself away in my cave to avoid humanity as much as possible... This guy is very strong because he pushes himself, refuses to back down, and is talking about the things we need to talk about to keep our society liberated and self aware.
I really enjoy these kinds of talks.. JP knows quite a bit about the subject already and is both trying to help "us" understand as well as satisfy his own curiosity... I enjoy taking these intellectual trips with Jordan. I am college educated but I dropped out before I reached my bachelors because even as far back as the early 90's the woke bullshit had taken over english and sociology. I really enjoy JP's books because he alliterates amazingly well those thoughts that I have had back then and only now have started to put into my own writing. And Jordan if you ever read this. I am very happy that your health is rebounding. I saw your decline in your earlier videos and was concerned. PLEASE take care of yourself and I wish you and your family all the best.
This actually eases my soul somewhat. To this day I remember a girl in kindergarten. Looking back I think she liked me. She bugged me constantly. One day (I'm a boy.) I pushed her down and started hitting her and tried to pull one of her pigtails out. I guess the teacher broke it up but as a memory for an adult it was awful. I've always wondered if that was a sign there was something wrong with me. I haven't been aggressive much at all the rest of my life. In some part because I didn't have to be. Very large. Usually larger than kids a couple years older. And smarter than average (It always seemed some guys got aggressive because they couldn't combat verbally.) The knowledge that I was at my most violent THEN and younger goes a long way to ease my mind. Maybe it's a good thing that I remembered it and felt bad about it. Maybe a lot of kids would have forgotten. This knowledge is huge.
@@agardenapart9515 I guess you're saying I've been violent to women in my life. Is that it? I've never physically hurt or threatened a woman in my life. Except for that time when I was a child. When I said I haven't been aggressive "much" I meant with men. Is there something you're trying to work out? Am I a stand in for someone or something?
Thanks so much for this highly informative discussion! The results of the longitudinal studies were very helpful for us to understand and think about various factors that play in maternal role and human aggression. I truly hope that more children will be nurtured with necessary support so that our society can be filled with excitement, creativity, and integrity! Hooray to these researchers who genuinely want to understand human behavior and contribute suggestions to educational institutions and families! Thanks again!
I taught kindergarten for 32 years and I appreciate the confidence that we have an important part in predicting behaviors. We were not always respected. Thank you for that.
I'm 32 years old (so I was born the year you started your career haha) and I'm from another country but let me tell you one thing, I don't remember the faces of my kindergarten teachers but I remember their kindness. Thank you for these fond memories, I know that a lot of children who were under you care appreciate it.
@@Io-Io-Io I think being good is easy. It comes without social risk. Being conscientious and dependable is hard, but these are only aspects of whatever 'good' is.
@@Io-Io-Io In that I agree. But I don't think that what a lot of people call 'Good' is listening carefully to their conscience, but following the dictums of some social group or law. Needless to say, social groups are not always right, and nor are their laws. So I agree that following your conscience is hard, but that isn't what a lot of people call 'good'. And I agree that being dependable is hard. I said that above. Read it more carefully :)
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@@hollismallory2757 scripts are sequential information stored in your memory that inform your behaviour. They can become automatic (like driving a car or ordering food at your favourite restaurant). Aggressive scripts inform aggressive behaviour and people who act aggressively tend to have many aggressive scripts that they act out depending on the situation. This is usually a subconscious process. That’s a basic nutshell but I suppose it’s a bit more in-depth that that.
@@hollismallory2757 No worries :) Thanks for asking. I think if psychologists can measure and understand aggressive scripts it will improve the delivery if interventions and have a positive impact on crime and incarceration rates.
Very good subject. I feel that people with ADHD and Autism should get more help when they show aggression in school... I mean they should get help from schoolsystem in some way... Many people with these diagnosis often come from dysfuntional home... no father figure... nothing... Its more luck if these trouble kidds dont get to jail... I have been really aggressive and done misstake and i wish someone could have helped me or i get some type of help for aggression or managing emotions... Every child/adolecense deserve good start in life...
This was a fascinating piece of long hard and committed research by Richard Tremblay of which I can see could establish its purpose in our societies creating much needed hope and joy to many children and their families. Truly an inspiring piece of research to which I really hope gets the funding needed to implement for many trial runs leading to full implementation. Really very impressed with the compassion, patience and real want for this system to be included in children's lives by Richard. Well done sir, I was in love with what you are doing. All the very best wishes for it being seen as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow of which it is. Brilliant interview Jordan, Thanks for showing it. Laghlan
My grandparents knew all about this for sure. They always wanted to know if my friends, especially gf's, came from a good family. That had nothing to do with how much money the family had, but everything to do with real class, stability, integrity, hard work, service, etc...
I really want Jordan to do a podcast with James Lindsay. It seems James has really developed his understanding of what Jordan refers to as Postmodern Neomarxism and I think it would be really useful to have him on to help articulate what both of them are talking about so a more general audience can better understand it.
I've never interrupted a child skateboarding as I understand they must learn to fall and get back up, however; watching a child breaking the branches of a tree upsets me and it seems as though intervention is more important than interruption. I've always wondered what Jordan would make of this... Hopefully this interview answers my curiosity 🙂🙏
@Jonathan Spier I appreciate your comment although it appears you misunderstood it's context.What I was alluding to was observing a child breaking a branch from a tree out of menace and then walking away.Your suggestion is credible as I was quite similar in youth in my ability to explore and create, however; just a a person kills a rabbit to eat it and use the skin, others may kill it and leave the carcass there for no reason other than to be destructive.
@Jonathan Spier I think op is referring to people breaking stuff to break stuff for no purpose. Out of a sense of pure destruction. I think this is where it's important to explore why they are doing such behavior, and find if you can show them a non destructive perspective. Teach them to love nature.
@@attalan8732 Good point but I meant watching a neighbourhood kid being destructive for no reason and this particular rule you pointed out is referring to the parental relationship in childhood development.
Such a timely discussion on multiple fronts. Canada is currently grappling with our history of removing Indigenous children from their families and the transgenerational consequence of this trauma is apparent. Dr. Tremblay's work on potential strategies on righting some of this wrong should be thoughtfully considered - and it may be a very opportune time to do some research on that front as I am sure CIHR and the gov't would be more open to this approach if Dr. Tremblay is able to make collaborative connections with Indigenous community elders and leaders and sharing with them his learnings and discussing with them if there is something there that can help future generations thrive and reprogram some of the epigenetic signatures of trauma.
What an amazing and interesting podcast. So many things Mr.Tremblay said made a lot of sense. But I personally suggest to play it with 1.25 of the original speed.
aggression is a natural and essential part of survival IMO but it's when it becomes dysfunctional and extreme this kind of work is incredibly important
Growing up around men that were both physically and more so verbally aggressive, this shines a bit more light on it. Using "micro aggression" right out the gate really caught my attention and had me all settled to listen to this entire conversation in one sitting. Great material, thank you very much.
I'm 2 months late. Super informative. Jordan is a good interviewer and was able to engage Prof Tremblay. I learned sooo much. Thank you for making this free.
Jordan here compared with Jordan in the Russell Peters episode of Mikhaila's podcast (which was filmed a few months ago) is a complete transformation. So good to see.
Jordan for the love of god , please invite those people on the podcast: Elon Musk Richard Dawkins (hes 80 now , so this needs to happen) Thomas Sowell Geoffrey Miller(this would be veeery interesting) David goggins Robert Sapolsky Roy Baumeister Daniel Dennet Robert Plomin David Buss Joseph Ledoux As a big fan of you and Dawkins i would absolutely love if you can bring him on. A conversation about ´memes´ , religion and evolutionary biology between you and him would be a historical moment.
Some of the scholars you mention who do not pollute their talks with anti Political bias might not be interested in talking to JP who has so clearly an anti Left agenda on almost any topic. Not a good scientist.
He said he is trying to get Thomas Sowell. He is 90 I think, so I very much hope this will still happen, it would be such a loss. I'm still sad that he never got to talk to Ravi Zacharias.
Dr Peterson, I would just like to reach out to you because I am just finding out about you, and I have also just found out about your recovery from your deleterious health episode. I am from the left you could say, and I think that you have many things wrong. However, it seems to me that you obviously have a great many things right. Too often in this world people have a bad habit of throwing the baby out with the bath water. I would just like to say that I think the world is a better place with Jordan Peterson, and regardless of what side any particular subject that you address should fall on, your voice is relevant and needed. Please do not refrain or fall into the shadows. Thank you for all that you have brought to us.
As the mother of a young child who had examined daycare closely, I’m pretty skeptical at the assertion being made that “quality daycare” is as impactful as a good education and is some how hugely beneficial to all kids, even those from loving, stable homes. For starters, the ratios in daycares are never ideal due to the cost being prohibitive. Daycare employees are not usually well paid and turnover is also high.
Did he say that? JP asked the question twice and it felt like he didn't answer it directly at all. I really wanted to know what the evidence said. The fact that we have one or occasionally two babies at a time leads me to believe that grouping kids up like a litter of puppies is not ideal for development.
Great discussion. Very insightful. Thank you both. And glad to hear that your voice is getting stronger and looking better Dr. Peterson. Bless you and your family.
I was relieved to finally hear you both discuss dysregulated/insecure early attachment relationships, which (based on what was discussed today) I would speculate is the primary mechanism for enduring aggression after toddlerhood. There is evidence that disordered attachment may trigger epigenetic change regarding the functioning of oxytocin and serotonin receptors, which can then be transmitted inter-generationally. There is also some evidence to suggest that altered oxytocin receptor functioning has implications for mothers in particular - their ability to identify and discriminate between infant behavioral cues and cries, as well as their ability to calm states of heightened physiological arousal by providing a safe base from which the child can explore the world. As far as I know, fathers are implicated in the regulation of aggression in children, which corresponds to the exploration function of attachment, versus the mother’s general function of safe-harboring. For those particularly interested in this topic, I would highly recommend a publication by Dr. Allan Schore called “Affective Dysregulation and Disorders of the Self.” I would also like to point out that in the US at least, there is a promising, research-backed, early intervention strategy called “The Circle of Security” which focuses on peer support as well as in teaching emotionally dysregulated and insecurely attached mothers how to interpret and respond to their infants behavioral cues in more constructive ways. Thus far, these interventions have been shown to be efficacious, although potentially difficult to facilitate without advanced education, specialized training AND Experience being a securely attached and/or earned- secure parent.
Thank you for this! I personally believe that all types of aggression (and there are many forms of it) is the reason for MANY problems we have at our society. Im not talking just of the extreme physical froms like "domestic violence". But also from social aggression like that we can find in extreme political positions and/or ideologies. And my personal opinion is also, that anxiety and aggression is interconnected like two sides of one coin. I think you also said this at some point in your discussion. Again Thanks for you contribution!
Luckily I learned to channel my aggression fairly well. I paired it with a load of unresolved childhood needs and high conscientiousness and I simply work ridiculously hard.
I don’t know how people can do this. I’ll be listening to this with my eye closed and then something really interesting will come up and I’ll grab the phone and stare at them talking lol
The Great Seeker leaves his guest in the dust of amazement at his relentless seeking into the depths of man’s darkness. This episode came the closest yet to a discussion of Nobel prize. This is the inevitable prize which Dr Peterson will receive, hopefully while he is still alive. He has contributed massively to the improvement of the human condition, by his articulation of scientific concepts in a way which the common man and woman can understand, letting us all better understand ourselves. Reply to this comment and tell what you think of my proposal to have Canada’s Prime Minister nominate Dr Peterson for the Nobel prize.
@@ericr2617 I'm not really anti aggression. Aggression is important. I have competed in combat sports all my life and aggression is a key feature I also have a family and children and if I needed to defend them against an act of violence then I would need to tap into that aggression, if I had to rescue my children from a crashed car or burning building I would need to use aggression to fight my way in and out. I'm an aggressive man by nature and sometimes I don't control it at the best at times but i don't plan on "getting rid" of my aggression but rather to better control it, when to let it out the cage and when to push it back in.
Dear Dr Peterson I'm not sure if you read the comments. ... I was reading your book 12 rules for life as I was laying in a hospital bed after suffering three epileptic seizures. I can say it was very comforting and eye opening. I was reading how we are morally obliged to take care of ourselves and if it wasn't for my hero, my thirteen year old daughter (Gabriella) I wouldn't be here. I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for those kind and harsh words at that dark moment. Yours faithfully Mikaila Bambi
Me who’s 32 and had a mom who drank and smoke and I’ve come to have ADD, physical aggression (love to competitively fight), deal with addiction, but I will say I did begin lexapro and it literally made me feel “normal” and actually function in the society which I live.
The early day care experience is not good or normal for babies and toddlers. They should be protected by their parents who then model proper behavior..
The mania for daycare is concerning. Support for families looking after their own is lacking, the so called experts would like the state to raise all children.
Yep, the few hours a day at daycare aren't as important as the home environment and the family relationships. Mandatory and rigorous courses on how to be good parents would be one of the best things we could require of society. Much better than learning to code or a second language. It'd also empower parents to decide how they want their kids to turn out, rather than the collective.
I had a stay-at-home mom. The few occasions I had to stay at a daycare were very disturbing to me. The daycare workers didn't have a personal connection, they mispronounced my name, they did not catch a kid bullying my little sister and did not take it that seriously when I reported it. It was impersonal kid-herding and I always pitied the kids who had to spend most of their time there. There were a couple of childcare places we did some minimal time in and both were kid-herding centers.
@@Susq15 day care is never as good as the one to one contac a mom or dad can give their infant or toddler.There is more of a consistency of care and follow through too!
I completely agree (and generally so do the longitudinal studies) that daycare should be a last resort option. Daycare before the age of 3 has major risks and is associated with behavioral problems in adolescence. So I was surprised during this talk. However that correlation basically disappears when the daycare in question is of very high quality, and when the kids are over 3. What I take away from this podcast basically is that in the particular context where the home environment is unhealthy (parental fighting, abuse, substance abuse, etc) THEN daycare, specifically high quality daycare, along with visits and interventions from social workers etc, can help with damage control. It doesn’t mean that in general daycare or even high quality daycare is preferable to a child being raised with at least one stay at home parent (ideally mom if possible) for the first few years of life when forming a proper attachment style with the parent is so important. I’m pregnant with my first and no daycare for her for sure!
Interesting. I am located in British Columbia. I have 5 children 7 and under. It was offered since the birth of my first for a nurse to make a home visit and/or follow up with phone calls. New mother's are asked if we have a history of mental health/drugs/alcohol/smoking. I never needed to take advantage of this program but it's interesting to know why this program is offered and makes me appreciate its existence for those mother's that really need it.
i bet a lot of people where relieved when mr peterson disapeared, some where concerned. now he is back, with a vengance. this podcast format is a new quality of an antidote of misinformation and misbelieves that seemingly spread without resistance
[4:00] - Physical aggression study - research of juvenile delinquency research - Peaked at age 2/3
[8:50] - The problem with research and terminology
[11:11] - Why was he surprised by the studies, and what assumptions did he have
[14:20] - Similar to the findings of Thomas Hobbes and the idea of original sin
[16:02] - Why does this resistance to this type of data manifest itself?
[18:50] - Walkthrough how all children are not the same violent
[22:00] - Risk factors, more likely to be male, mothers who didn't complete high school education
[23:30] - Characterizing the mothers who have aggressive children, fail in school, emotional problems, problems with smoking, drugs, every problem you can mention, and multi-generational development
[27:30] - Hierarchy of risk factors, no clear data where a nonoptimal birth increases proclivity for aggression or decreases the ability that the child would be able to control it
[30:00] - Experimental interventions on helping (supporting during pregnancy after birth) young women with behavioral problems
[32:45] - What needs do these women have?
[33:00] - Is marital status a risk factor? Part of the problem is assortative mating
[37:30] - The role of the father aggressive fathers; modelling the parents
[38:50] - The ease of hitting and stealing vs the challenge to get a toy with negotiation
[40:40] - The methods parents use for discipline (the disciplinary strategies that are implemented for the child, using words instead of physical expression)
[42:24] - Back to experimental interventions. The interventions 20 years down the line, and the girls are acting much better. it's possible to change the life of the children
[44:20] - What the interventions looked like, and what the mother would receive. Visits at home, and the nurse will console her in all her decisions in life
[47:40] - Quality daycare
[53:00] - The cost of daycare
[55:30] - How you identify who is at risk
[58:00] - Grouping study social children with anti-social children - How did you encourage people to make friendships?
[1:03:00] - Relating his studies against the theories of tyrannical hierarchies
[1:07:30] - How is his work being received among sociologists
[1:12:20] - What are the weaknesses of what he is doing. and scientific funding; The philosophical opposition because of the anti-rousseauian nature of research and finding out information is different than what you expected
[1:24:10] - The biology of aggressive behavior
[1:39:30] - How he evaluates his career - is it what he wants, why, and who should consider doing this type of work?
[1:42:10] - What got him interested in his research
[1:45:10] - The compelling nature of doing research
[1:49:00] - Sex different in aggressions - girl aggression - more indirect aggression vs. males physical; what is indirect aggression
[1:59:00] - Jordan sums up the argument
[2:05:00] - Preparation for people looking to get into research
Thank you and God bless you, Dr. Peterson.
14:20 "thomas hobbes"
1:12:20 perhaps edit "anti-russian" to "anti-rousseauian"?
@@therealbs2000 I found difficult to understand Dr. Trembly at times. It may have been that english is his second language. i came away somewhat more confused. I grew up in a dysfunctional family. My life although fairly successful, has been fraught with challenges. Learning disabled, gay, bi-polar disorder, depression, anxiety, addiction, alcoholism and mental/psychological and violent sexual abuse as a boy by a woman in a position of power and authority, are all in my history. I'm approaching my mid-seventies and am still unravelling that history like an onion. I find the video intriguing, but so much of it goes counter to so much I had previously thought? There was a time in my life where I thought I was going to explode with anger. It was terrifying. I had the urge to strike out. I've spent decades in support groups and therapy. I never want to go back to that. But at least I'm still alive. That has to count for something?
@@alanfournier3071 thank you for sharing
@@alanfournier3071 yes yess your life is the best gift go do what makes you happy what's in the past will stay in the past you own this moment and only the present moment go be happy be free and forget the past
I know we've seen a lot of podcasts lately. But let me say this: MORE! Yasssss! I'm being bloody spoiled and I love it. Thank you Doc for the epic work and the courage of being smart in the age of applauded stupidity.
Amen!! best thing that's happened in 2020-2021Thank you God..
@@janinemaldonado336 Yeah, and I gotta say.. Doc's got a good grip on the tech, on socials, great network. It's surprising to see that this guy had even a greater back of tricks up the sleeve
@rob91011 I already bought the book; enjoyed the shit out of it and I'd love to see another, maybe on relationships.. That would be epic. As for the pod; trust me, an ad takes 30 seconds. This is not an ad ;)
@@kdemetter Been a lobsta-junkie since 2018, and rehab is a no-go ;) Can't wait for another hit :D Haha
Lmao, well put, I've never heard it said that way before. This is definitely the era of 'applauded stupidity' as you said
I must say, as a volunteer with several Scouting groups in my area for 17 years, I've had a singular, consistent opportunity to observe family groups enmass. What I observed in my interactions with the kids, their families and extended families reflect this interview completely. I've witnessed in real time; well, the studies and results that are discussed here. During the course of watching, memories of Instances were triggered and confirmation of my observations were established. How fascinating I was doing research in my head and these gentleman were able to sum up 17 years of my life, in an hour and a half. 🤯🤯🤯
I'm a brand new mom so I really really appreciate all of this information. I listen to all of Jordan Petersons work. He's absolutely one of the greats.
Have you found Jordan Peterson’s work to be practical in motherhood?
@@thehornswogglehumdinger9612 I do. His wife also gives good advice. I'm still at the beginnings of mothering bit him saying "don't let your children do things that make you not like them" is very good advice and I'll definitely keep it in my back pocket. Not that I am excited to discipline my son. But to know that you want him to be likable and that starts from a young age.
@@ethicent4888 that’s fascinating. I’ll be sure to remember that advice as well. I wish you too the best of luck and congratulations. Thank you for responding.
@Invictus thank you! I agree with all of this. Also (from your point above) I try to stay totally away from sugars unless they are natural. Stuff is so bad for us. And! Im terrified it'll make him not want to eat good food and I just can't cave to that because (again to your point above) short term fix... Long term problem.
All the best Ethel :)
Can I just say how thankful I am to Dr. Trembley for taking the effort to do this? It cannot be easy to expose your life's work to the scrutiny of the internet
As a father to a 5 month old boy here in South Africa, this has been a very important podcast for me. I'll certainly be delving deeper into this topic. I owe a real debt of gratitude to both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Tremblay for this conversation, so thank you to both. This podcast is definitely changing the world for better.
Hi Kagiso, if I can give you one piece of advice, please look into brain development in children. It's a major eye opener and should be taught to all parents. Much material available even on CZcams.
@@solaveritas2 I was telling my partner this exact thing this morning. How is that we insist children learn math that most of them will never have use for, yet never mention this subject.
“Meh, just go have fun and procreate, you’ll figure it out.” It is utterly insane that this not taught, at least from a practical perspective, at the high school level.
@Tom DiVittis
Math is like working out the logic muscles in your mind. But yeah some people need to spend time visualizing basic math instead of memorizing formulas for more complex math.
@@drugsorme2714 right. I don’t mean to say math is useless….but let’s be realistic. Balancing a checkbook (and knowing why) is way more important for most people than regression analysis (or whatever it was I learned my junior year in high school that was never useful for anything).
The nurses that deal with the high risk mothers during pregnancy - 2 years have my total and complete admiration. They are cleaning up the messes of previous tragedies head on, and I’m sure they are not well compensated for it. I’m grateful they are doing this crucial work, and working towards actually breaking the cycle. 👏
I'm a mother of 4. I have three boys and one girl. Early on I realized that while boys are still non-verbal they tend to have more of an aggressive nature. For me the most important intervention lies within the mother-child bond. Its incredibly important that kids know that mother's love is unconditional. Early on kids need to be held accountable for unacceptable aggression through compassion. I worked counseling women on breastfeeding and infant and child nutrition for almost nine years. However, my counseling always led back to bonding, co-sleeping, and breastfeeding. When we learn to listen to our mother's intuition and not so much to what society finds acceptable , we women do much better at bonding and kids are much more compassionate. This inevitably reduces aggression.
My little boy is a god damned caveman.
What about the father's role? Why just the mother's?
Some serious internalized misogyny here...the best lesson you can teach your sons is to respect women as equal humans instead of servants to men. Done and done.
@@tickledpink9201 because men are perfect according to misogynist channels like this one.
@@tickledpink9201 raising children is selfless, unpaid work that's why it doesn't appeal to the patriarchy.
The humility of JBP should be emulated by everyone. You can see he knows the research but respectfully allows his guest to say it in his own words. "Assume the person you are listening to knows something you don't"
Hence why so many of us have so much respect for JBP. 🙏🙏
Common sense
@@larrysmith2123 common sense is very uncommon these days...
@@Kratos3084-u4s Not really, pehaps your social circle is like that.
@@larrysmith2123 Yes It’s common sense. It has to be common sense. But sadly thesedays there are many people who doesn’t try to listen to others and just keep saying they’re right only with what they belive to be true. That makes lots of unecessary problems we witness not only in person but also in many ways like media nowadays.
Pre school,children could be put in care of the elderly in care homes. This would stimulate both the elderly but also the young children would learn so much. Of course there would have to be some support with paid staff. This initiative would have lasting benefits on both sides and indeed to the public purse.
Excellent idea!!
I understand your point about the benefits of kids and elderly relationships. Would be good idea if it wasnt for the tendency for kids to run into people and possibly knock them over and spread germs.
Or we could just start caring for our elderly parents again as we raise our own children.
@@drugsorme2714 kids spreading germs actually protect old people, as long as the old people are not initially removed from the general population.
@@heidikindon5182 actually generally it was a very major thing for elderly to help take care of grandkids as well as guidance in the past that is period of 100 years ago to probably the start of homo sapiens. Probably wast majority of past, few people got to old age and that showed quite a bit of wisdom.
People keep forgetting that the one and only evolutionary intended reason to feel positive emotion was the contribution to other people.
I'm a father of two boys (2 years apart) with very different temperaments. My youngest seemed upset about being here from birth. By 2, he was somewhat speech delayed and frustrated. Early intervention made a huge difference in his life. He's far better now at dealing with his frustration. We are so thankful for the wonderful woman that helped him at that age. Also both of my sons attended a Pre-k program and we think it was a very good experience for them both.
Early intervention is key. Glad it helped your kids.
Hello Mr Jordan Peterson. I am very pleased to here you talk to anyone, but you have been making some outstanding choices lately, and thank you for that.
The upcoming interviews on islam is going to be awesome
I agree, these last few have basically given us, his audience, wisdom that these guest have accumilated over decades. Im so grateful for it. It really helps my perspective and mental attitude
I’ve watched this twice and read much of the referred material. Absolutely wonderful information for a mother to learn. My kids’ lives (and their children’s children) will be better bc of this interview. Thank you!
How so specifically?
I am a mother of 3 boys ages 7, 5 and almost 2, and two daughters, ages 4 and 1mo. This is a very interesting as well as his interview RE school shooters.
You can tell Peterson already knows this mans material. He is just leading us through it.
...asking the questions we don't know to ask.......
Actually JP seems to know more about it than Trembley. Moreover, he has frequently referred to or cited much of this research in various lectures etc over the last few years.
This is so ignorant. As a target of aggressive violent siblings,we know the doctor is only making cent$ in a monitery fashion promulgating lies evil and mischief.
Let me not jest.i will wave a hand and persish the people.
@@dblack8141 Wtf are you even trying to say?
My vacation just started - I’m so excited to spend my time productively and growing intellectually 🙏 thanks Doc!
We are looking forward to your intellectual growth🙏
@@melvinalex473 peaky blinders
it seems to be an art form to devote your life to proving obvious things that people don't want to believe because it's so convenient to them
Yet, even when you prove it, they will not believe it if it is something the are unwilling to accept, something that would force them to admit an uneasy truth.
Agreed, I really respect him and find him helpfull, but he makes me feel a little bit guilty and sinfully lazy quite often.. 🤭 Witch is a very good thing! But I wonder is that the thing why many people so passionately seem to hate him?
@@76blackwidow no, they hate him because he destroys their simplistic, ideologically based worldview with science. (A bit ironic, it seems to me.)
Tom DiVittis
He does, but sometimes I wonder are they even smart enough to understand it.. 😉
@@76blackwidow no, they are not. That’s why the only conclusion they come to is that he must be a racist and misogynist.
I hate to sound like I’m just characterizing them in a silly/shallow way, but their own comments indicate this to be true.
So wholesome at the very end when he tells Jordan he hasn't lost his passion. Dude has so much heart!
These discussions are invaluable.
Absolutely
This one especially.
I love being a fly on the wall with these conversations. So enlightening and encouraging!!
As a father to 3 adopted siblings who were running headlong towards a path of chaos and disaster, it gives me a lot of hope to hear that something can be done to help their development and possibly change their future. It is DIFFICULT work and it's easy to lose sight of the big picture which is why I appreciate conversations like these. Thanks Dr Peterson! Keep giving us content like this and keep sharing how we can traverse through these trenches
*You can NOT control what happens to you, you can only control how you respond to them.*
There is power in your response. 🔥
@@RalphieTheCat olum why so mean
Actually you can to an extent control what happens to you. Recognising your locus of control over your circumstances is important. You are not as smart as you wish to appear.
This includes so many good lessons that are apparently hidden behind the norms used in common language and in standardizing scientific study:
1. Make the earliest years of every child full of warmth and positive attention
2. Inclusion and leading by example can build the pro-social behaviours you want to see
3. Support mothers/care-givers in all stages because this has long-term benefits for those in their care
4. Embrace learning what experience will prove to you
5. Respect the authority of those who have allowed experience to teach them
6. Being kind does more good than science can measure (although, apparently they can prove its impact on the second generation, so that's a start).
So impressed and appreciate Jordan's questions that narrow the answers to be a more specific form that is helpful. He is simply gifted in this form of communication. Great information. Thank you. Gma Jo
I am a pediatric dentist and we also have a lot to add on our observations during challenging treatments. Specially when we don´t have access to sedation. It is a real endeavour to master all psychological understanting and manage behavioral. Thank you both for a wonderfull "walk" throught this beatifull universe of being. Great path Dr. Peterson. God bless.
Awesome, interesting and totally applicable! I'm halfway through my bachelor's in Psychology (Dr Peterson inspired me to get into it) at 41 years old. We are learning about this very topic at the moment. This video just motivated me even more. Thank you for everything, Dr Peterson! You helped me to change my life... and you continue to inspire me constantly!
Great to see Peterson interviewing the people who he references in his lectures
Thank you again Dr. Peterson & Dr. Trembley. Yet another amazing talk. I appreciate you both so very much, and, if I may speak on behalf of the overwhelming majority of everyone listening, we all appreciate
you, your minds, and this discussion! 💛
We are so blessed and spoiled to have these amazing and interesting conversations readily available here on CZcams!. I never thought I would so interested in listening to 1.5 -2 hour conversations about these kinds of topics. Thank you and God bless, Dr. Peterson!
Jordan, you're looking healthier every day. I pray for you regularly. Thank you from the bottom of my soul for the work you do.
Only Jordan Peterson to bring this kind of knowledge on this platform. Thank you Jordan for the great podcast and thank you Richard for your research.
I've been looking forward to this ever since you mentioned Dr Tremblay
Thank you for bringing the attention to this theme. This is so important! If you want a society with only a little bit of equal chances this is the most important thing you can do. A neglected or abused child is so much worse off in our ever more complicated society when he is an adult and really cannot compete with healthy individuals.
Both my daughters are day care teachers in Australia. These centres are privately owned by greedy people who fail to provide enough teachers to give quality care except on days when assessors appear. I am horrified by the stories of what happens in the baby rooms in child care centres. How parents can leave their tiny babies in a room with 9 other babies and a couple of young girls baffles me. We should be funding mothers to stay at home with support and take care of their own children until they are at least 3 years old.
I haven't heard of a single family in AU whose child has not been traumatized in day care. Complete failure, and the laws here don't seem protect the families in any way. Parents have said basically animals have more "protections" than kids between under 7.
Completely agree. High quality daycares are VERY expensive and hard to find (in the US). Most daycares have horrible conditions. I don’t think daycare is the holy grail solution. I agree that we should be encouraging mothers to stay home with their children with support at least during the first years of life so they can focus on nurturing and socializing them.
I’m so grateful to be at home with my baby. No way in hell would I put her in daycare.
The funny thing is, women with 1 or 2 kids always lament how hard it is to care for them but they don’t question how some woman can look after 4 of them properly in a daycare. It makes no sense but they are sold the narrative that the socialisation is good for the kids and that it’s educational even for young babies (like in this video).
100% true!!! If daycare is so great, why isn't this last generation the most well adjusted of any generation!! If mom's are at home, then the kids that are at risk become more visible to the neighborhood, then mom's s can help the kids that are in trouble. Home is just better for our whole community.
The complexity of human beings is endless and fascinating. Thank you for posting this conversation.
Stress (i.e. from domestic violence/dysfunction) is one of the major problems during pregnancy as the increased presence of cortisol affects brain development negatively. I'm surprised they didn't mention this when it came up (around 30 minutes in)
This guy seems like hard work but Peterson is doing quite well prompting, coaxing along and even reminding him of what they’re supposed to be discussing.
Yeah was thinking the same, he has a really tough time coming up with specific examples when talking about what the difficulties and hurdles are with obtaining research money and such
Dr. Peterson, I don't know if you are reading these comments, but I would be very interested in a talk from you about Cannabis and its effects on the psyche. With kindest regards from CH
Would be interesting
And I would love him to invite Dr James Tour for a chat. Ive been asking for a while. I hope you get your wish because it’s a great subject.
well one thing, if you have an underlying weakness it can make people psychotic.
@@jeanetteb2347 *in large quantities or in conjunction with serious psychological issues 🙂
@@scrappydoo7887 *increases the risk under those circumstances. It can still happen to just about anyone.
I live in Scotland and have spent my career between mental health and youth justice. Two great things being done which relates to the support of at risk families/children are 1. The Named Person - from pregnancy to leaving high school, the professionals are assessing and intervening throughout the childhood, ie midwife, teachers, community nurses. 2. Criminal Justice - specifically young people, using a Whole Systems Approach. Focus on the needs, learning deficits, problem solving, by professionals in health,social work, housing, police. And last point , a child in trouble cant be treated on their own, need to work with family too, that's a given. Brilliant show as always!!
This assumes that the intervening 'professionals' are acting in the best interests of the families and that they know what they are doing. I have heard people discussing whether children should be removed from families, but don't recall these people considering whether the proposed interventions are better or even good. It's all a bit one-sided, with the assumption that 'professionals' know what is best and have these peoples best interests at heart.
Yes I see your point. The named person is a new approach, born from extreme cases of neglect on the part of family, professionals and society whereby children died. The named person works within a system and an individual has no authority to make extreme decisions alone. It's designed to highlight concerns, which are followed up with other professionals and the family, through discussion, assessment and offering appropriate interventions, safety and need of the child are at the core. Discussion of removing children would only occur if there was an imminent danger to a child or in rare cases the child is expressing dangerous behaviour. In scotland, professionals may talk, vent frustration at parents behaviour, but parents have support of the law re their children and in my experience when there is talk about removing a child, I've agreed with it. But generally the consensus had been let's look at ways to help. All professionals working, in contact with children have statutory training on a yearly basis, to be aware of the harms to children, so as to be aware and act when necessary. Also, regular supervision and specific assessments. It's still in early stages,and as Jordan points out there so many factors in our society that humans need to learn. I believe ultimately children are not given the priorities they need. E.G It remains legal in the UK for parents to discipline children with violence, Scottish government created a bill to make hitting children illegal, and the UK government is trying to stop it. Many of us agreed that help came too late, hence an awareness of the content of this podcast. Thus much hope for the future in helping children.
Imagine the knowledge contained in this world bundled and curated by the great nations of this world as their transcendental duty to this planet that created this beauty!
I admire peterson for being willing to put himself out there & inevitably get so much vitriolic criticism as a result- especially considering everything he's been through.
The things I've been through just make me withdraw from society & not want to expose myself to needless hardship or criticism. I work & have my few friends, but I basically hide myself away in my cave to avoid humanity as much as possible...
This guy is very strong because he pushes himself, refuses to back down, and is talking about the things we need to talk about to keep our society liberated and self aware.
Let's Watch!
I love seeing the progression of Dr Peterson’s audio equipment.
Great discussion. I am passing onto all my daycare friends. Very important.
YES!! so glad you're healthy again Dr. JBP!
Jordan Peterson you rock brother! 🌹🌊✨🙏🏻
I really enjoy these kinds of talks.. JP knows quite a bit about the subject already and is both trying to help "us" understand as well as satisfy his own curiosity...
I enjoy taking these intellectual trips with Jordan.
I am college educated but I dropped out before I reached my bachelors because even as far back as the early 90's the woke bullshit had taken over english and sociology. I really enjoy JP's books because he alliterates amazingly well those thoughts that I have had back then and only now have started to put into my own writing.
And Jordan if you ever read this. I am very happy that your health is rebounding. I saw your decline in your earlier videos and was concerned.
PLEASE take care of yourself and I wish you and your family all the best.
This actually eases my soul somewhat. To this day I remember a girl in kindergarten. Looking back I think she liked me. She bugged me constantly. One day (I'm a boy.) I pushed her down and started hitting her and tried to pull one of her pigtails out. I guess the teacher broke it up but as a memory for an adult it was awful. I've always wondered if that was a sign there was something wrong with me. I haven't been aggressive much at all the rest of my life. In some part because I didn't have to be. Very large. Usually larger than kids a couple years older. And smarter than average (It always seemed some guys got aggressive because they couldn't combat verbally.) The knowledge that I was at my most violent THEN and younger goes a long way to ease my mind. Maybe it's a good thing that I remembered it and felt bad about it. Maybe a lot of kids would have forgotten. This knowledge is huge.
"I haven't been aggressive much"? Oh dear...sounds like apologist misogyny.
@@agardenapart9515 Apologist Misogyny! That's a new one. Good for you. I don't know what it means but pointless insults rule the day.
@@thanksfernuthin You should know the meaning. That's exactly the problem.
@@agardenapart9515 I guess you're saying I've been violent to women in my life. Is that it? I've never physically hurt or threatened a woman in my life. Except for that time when I was a child. When I said I haven't been aggressive "much" I meant with men. Is there something you're trying to work out? Am I a stand in for someone or something?
@@thanksfernuthin it's a common statement used by abusive men to minimize their culpability.
Thanks so much for this highly informative discussion! The results of the longitudinal studies were very helpful for us to understand and think about various factors that play in maternal role and human aggression. I truly hope that more children will be nurtured with necessary support so that our society can be filled with excitement, creativity, and integrity! Hooray to these researchers who genuinely want to understand human behavior and contribute suggestions to educational institutions and families! Thanks again!
Looking really good in this one Jordan. Noticeably sharper and smoother. You sound like you are back at your peak!
I taught kindergarten for 32 years and I appreciate the confidence that we have an important part in predicting behaviors. We were not always respected. Thank you for that.
I'm 32 years old (so I was born the year you started your career haha) and I'm from another country but let me tell you one thing, I don't remember the faces of my kindergarten teachers but I remember their kindness. Thank you for these fond memories, I know that a lot of children who were under you care appreciate it.
Put it on rumble first.
When I wake up in the morning and see a new podcast from Dr. Peterson, I know it’s going to be a good start to the day!
Why? He's a woman hater.
It's way Harder to be the "Good Guy" that's why a lot of people these days take the easier route.
@@Io-Io-Io I think being good is easy. It comes without social risk. Being conscientious and dependable is hard, but these are only aspects of whatever 'good' is.
@@Io-Io-Io In that I agree. But I don't think that what a lot of people call 'Good' is listening carefully to their conscience, but following the dictums of some social group or law. Needless to say, social groups are not always right, and nor are their laws. So I agree that following your conscience is hard, but that isn't what a lot of people call 'good'. And I agree that being dependable is hard. I said that above. Read it more carefully :)
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I’ve been waiting for this since JP mentioned it in another podcast. I’m currently completing a thesis on aggressive scripts. Cant wait.
What are aggressive scripts?
@@hollismallory2757 scripts are sequential information stored in your memory that inform your behaviour. They can become automatic (like driving a car or ordering food at your favourite restaurant). Aggressive scripts inform aggressive behaviour and people who act aggressively tend to have many aggressive scripts that they act out depending on the situation. This is usually a subconscious process. That’s a basic nutshell but I suppose it’s a bit more in-depth that that.
@@MelodyeW300 thank you. That is very cool
@@hollismallory2757 No worries :) Thanks for asking. I think if psychologists can measure and understand aggressive scripts it will improve the delivery if interventions and have a positive impact on crime and incarceration rates.
It's stunning that too many of us don't see or appreciate the sacrosanct creativity and massive importance of excellent mothering.
Very good subject. I feel that people with ADHD and Autism should get more help when they show aggression in school... I mean they should get help from schoolsystem in some way... Many people with these diagnosis often come from dysfuntional home... no father figure... nothing... Its more luck if these trouble kidds dont get to jail... I have been really aggressive and done misstake and i wish someone could have helped me or i get some type of help for aggression or managing emotions... Every child/adolecense deserve good start in life...
It should be obvious that using violence is wrong or maybe it isn't?
@@dj4monie if violence is what gets you what you want or protects what you have, it isn't immediately obvious that it is a detriment.
God can't do nothing that I have lost...the past. He can only bless what I have left :)
This was a fascinating piece of long hard and committed research by Richard Tremblay of which I can see could establish its purpose in our societies creating much needed hope and joy to many children and their families. Truly an inspiring piece of research to which I really hope gets the funding needed to implement for many trial runs leading to full implementation.
Really very impressed with the compassion, patience and real want for this system to be included in children's lives by Richard. Well done sir, I was in love with what you are doing.
All the very best wishes for it being seen as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow of which it is.
Brilliant interview Jordan,
Thanks for showing it.
Laghlan
My grandparents knew all about this for sure. They always wanted to know if my friends, especially gf's, came from a good family. That had nothing to do with how much money the family had, but everything to do with real class, stability, integrity, hard work, service, etc...
I really want Jordan to do a podcast with James Lindsay. It seems James has really developed his understanding of what Jordan refers to as Postmodern Neomarxism and I think it would be really useful to have him on to help articulate what both of them are talking about so a more general audience can better understand it.
I've never interrupted a child skateboarding as I understand they must learn to fall and get back up, however; watching a child breaking the branches of a tree upsets me and it seems as though intervention is more important than interruption. I've always wondered what Jordan would make of this... Hopefully this interview answers my curiosity 🙂🙏
Depends on why are they breaking the branches.
That would fall under: "Don't let your children do something that annoys you"
@Jonathan Spier I appreciate your comment although it appears you misunderstood it's context.What I was alluding to was observing a child breaking a branch from a tree out of menace and then walking away.Your suggestion is credible as I was quite similar in youth in my ability to explore and create, however; just a a person kills a rabbit to eat it and use the skin, others may kill it and leave the carcass there for no reason other than to be destructive.
@Jonathan Spier I think op is referring to people breaking stuff to break stuff for no purpose. Out of a sense of pure destruction. I think this is where it's important to explore why they are doing such behavior, and find if you can show them a non destructive perspective. Teach them to love nature.
@@attalan8732 Good point but I meant watching a neighbourhood kid being destructive for no reason and this particular rule you pointed out is referring to the parental relationship in childhood development.
Such a timely discussion on multiple fronts. Canada is currently grappling with our history of removing Indigenous children from their families and the transgenerational consequence of this trauma is apparent. Dr. Tremblay's work on potential strategies on righting some of this wrong should be thoughtfully considered - and it may be a very opportune time to do some research on that front as I am sure CIHR and the gov't would be more open to this approach if Dr. Tremblay is able to make collaborative connections with Indigenous community elders and leaders and sharing with them his learnings and discussing with them if there is something there that can help future generations thrive and reprogram some of the epigenetic signatures of trauma.
Looking forward to this...and thank you for revising the ad at the beginning. This is perfect now.
What an amazing and interesting podcast. So many things Mr.Tremblay said made a lot of sense. But I personally suggest to play it with 1.25 of the original speed.
That’s a good idea, it’d be cool if he edited it to do that and left his own speed normal
aggression is a natural and essential part of survival IMO but it's when it becomes dysfunctional and extreme this kind of work is incredibly important
Growing up around men that were both physically and more so verbally aggressive, this shines a bit more light on it. Using "micro aggression" right out the gate really caught my attention and had me all settled to listen to this entire conversation in one sitting.
Great material, thank you very much.
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I'm 2 months late. Super informative. Jordan is a good interviewer and was able to engage Prof Tremblay. I learned sooo much. Thank you for making this free.
Jordan here compared with Jordan in the Russell Peters episode of Mikhaila's podcast (which was filmed a few months ago) is a complete transformation. So good to see.
What an intellectual journey you're taking us on. Thank you Dr Peterson.
Jordan for the love of god , please invite those people on the podcast:
Elon Musk
Richard Dawkins (hes 80 now , so this needs to happen)
Thomas Sowell
Geoffrey Miller(this would be veeery interesting)
David goggins
Robert Sapolsky
Roy Baumeister
Daniel Dennet
Robert Plomin
David Buss
Joseph Ledoux
As a big fan of you and Dawkins i would absolutely love if you can bring him on. A conversation about ´memes´ , religion and evolutionary biology between you and him would be a historical moment.
I believe an Elon one is already scheduled.
@@juliantn i hope but he needs to get dawkins on the podcast
Some of the scholars you mention who do not pollute their talks with anti Political bias might not be interested in talking to JP who has so clearly an anti Left agenda on almost any topic. Not a good scientist.
He said he is trying to get Thomas Sowell. He is 90 I think, so I very much hope this will still happen, it would be such a loss. I'm still sad that he never got to talk to Ravi Zacharias.
I can’t even compute the amount of amazing information. As a Mother information about children’s behavior is joy to my mind 👌🏾
Dr. Jordan : You made me a proud man ! Thanks 4 believing in me and others.
Dr Peterson, I would just like to reach out to you because I am just finding out about you, and I have also just found out about your recovery from your deleterious health episode. I am from the left you could say, and I think that you have many things wrong. However, it seems to me that you obviously have a great many things right. Too often in this world people have a bad habit of throwing the baby out with the bath water. I would just like to say that I think the world is a better place with Jordan Peterson, and regardless of what side any particular subject that you address should fall on, your voice is relevant and needed. Please do not refrain or fall into the shadows. Thank you for all that you have brought to us.
Thank God, traffic is sucking and I need knowledge! 🙏
Thank God for playback speed control, amazing conversation ❤️
As the mother of a young child who had examined daycare closely, I’m pretty skeptical at the assertion being made that “quality daycare” is as impactful as a good education and is some how hugely beneficial to all kids, even those from loving, stable homes.
For starters, the ratios in daycares are never ideal due to the cost being prohibitive. Daycare employees are not usually well paid and turnover is also high.
Did he say that? JP asked the question twice and it felt like he didn't answer it directly at all. I really wanted to know what the evidence said.
The fact that we have one or occasionally two babies at a time leads me to believe that grouping kids up like a litter of puppies is not ideal for development.
Both parents should provide equal care for children. That is the ideal.
Great discussion. Very insightful. Thank you both. And glad to hear that your voice is getting stronger and looking better Dr. Peterson. Bless you and your family.
This is why we speak about the “terrible 2s”.
Which we should definitely rename.
idk man, i was utterly preparing for the terrible 2s, but my son is just great lol
@@fabianbravo6008 Same here, my son is now 5 and none of his "years" were terrible.
@@leedsdrumacademy lucky 30% lol
@@leedsdrumacademy my guess is im terrible so i dont notice lol
I was relieved to finally hear you both discuss dysregulated/insecure early attachment relationships, which (based on what was discussed today) I would speculate is the primary mechanism for enduring aggression after toddlerhood. There is evidence that disordered attachment may trigger epigenetic change regarding the functioning of oxytocin and serotonin receptors, which can then be transmitted inter-generationally. There is also some evidence to suggest that altered oxytocin receptor functioning has implications for mothers in particular - their ability to identify and discriminate between infant behavioral cues and cries, as well as their ability to calm states of heightened physiological arousal by providing a safe base from which the child can explore the world. As far as I know, fathers are implicated in the regulation of aggression in children, which corresponds to the exploration function of attachment, versus the mother’s general function of safe-harboring.
For those particularly interested in this topic, I would highly recommend a publication by Dr. Allan Schore called “Affective Dysregulation and Disorders of the Self.” I would also like to point out that in the US at least, there is a promising, research-backed, early intervention strategy called “The Circle of Security” which focuses on peer support as well as in teaching emotionally dysregulated and insecurely attached mothers how to interpret and respond to their infants behavioral cues in more constructive ways. Thus far, these interventions have been shown to be efficacious, although potentially difficult to facilitate without advanced education, specialized training AND Experience being a securely attached and/or earned- secure parent.
Thank you very much Jordan 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Thank you for this! I personally believe that all types of aggression (and there are many forms of it) is the reason for MANY problems we have at our society. Im not talking just of the extreme physical froms like "domestic violence". But also from social aggression like that we can find in extreme political positions and/or ideologies. And my personal opinion is also, that anxiety and aggression is interconnected like two sides of one coin. I think you also said this at some point in your discussion. Again Thanks for you contribution!
Luckily I learned to channel my aggression fairly well. I paired it with a load of unresolved childhood needs and high conscientiousness and I simply work ridiculously hard.
Idle hands and all that jazz
so good you do.
I need to do the same been listening to Dr Peterson since 2019
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wonderful conversation, prof. tremblay is extremely thoughtful and humane
The children that were helped with this early intervention are the beneficiaries in a way they will have no clue how lucky they are.
We need you and your passion about humanity! Thank you Dr. Jordan B Peterson!
Now i can sleep in peace.. Listening to the magical Conversation;
I don’t know how people can do this. I’ll be listening to this with my eye closed and then something really interesting will come up and I’ll grab the phone and stare at them talking lol
The Great Seeker leaves his guest in the dust of amazement at his relentless seeking into the depths of man’s darkness. This episode came the closest yet to a discussion of Nobel prize. This is the inevitable prize which Dr Peterson will receive, hopefully while he is still alive. He has contributed massively to the improvement of the human condition, by his articulation of scientific concepts in a way which the common man and woman can understand, letting us all better understand ourselves. Reply to this comment and tell what you think of my proposal to have Canada’s Prime Minister nominate Dr Peterson for the Nobel prize.
The person that dislikes this is exactly the person this video is for
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Ironic that a person with a profile picture of Odin would support anti-aggression. Because Odin certainly was in favor of it.
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@@ericr2617 I'm not really anti aggression. Aggression is important. I have competed in combat sports all my life and aggression is a key feature I also have a family and children and if I needed to defend them against an act of violence then I would need to tap into that aggression, if I had to rescue my children from a crashed car or burning building I would need to use aggression to fight my way in and out. I'm an aggressive man by nature and sometimes I don't control it at the best at times but i don't plan on "getting rid" of my aggression but rather to better control it, when to let it out the cage and when to push it back in.
@@hauntedhose clicking a button certainly means something
Great discussion. I think if we could up the play speed to 1.5x during Richard's parts it would be perfect.
Love your work
Dear Dr Peterson
I'm not sure if you read the comments. ...
I was reading your book 12 rules for life as I was laying in a hospital bed after suffering three epileptic seizures. I can say it was very comforting and eye opening.
I was reading how we are morally obliged to take care of ourselves and if it wasn't for my hero, my thirteen year old daughter (Gabriella) I wouldn't be here.
I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for those kind and harsh words at that dark moment.
Yours faithfully
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Old guys and their lack of understanding about video lighting always makes me feel warm inside.
Love being apart of the less than 1% that have the ability to watch and learn about these amazing perspectives ❤️
Can’t wait to listen to this 🔥🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Me who’s 32 and had a mom who drank and smoke and I’ve come to have ADD, physical aggression (love to competitively fight), deal with addiction, but I will say I did begin lexapro and it literally made me feel “normal” and actually function in the society which I live.
The early day care experience is not good or normal for babies and toddlers. They should be protected by their parents who then model proper behavior..
The mania for daycare is concerning. Support for families looking after their own is lacking, the so called experts would like the state to raise all children.
Yep, the few hours a day at daycare aren't as important as the home environment and the family relationships. Mandatory and rigorous courses on how to be good parents would be one of the best things we could require of society. Much better than learning to code or a second language. It'd also empower parents to decide how they want their kids to turn out, rather than the collective.
I had a stay-at-home mom. The few occasions I had to stay at a daycare were very disturbing to me. The daycare workers didn't have a personal connection, they mispronounced my name, they did not catch a kid bullying my little sister and did not take it that seriously when I reported it. It was impersonal kid-herding and I always pitied the kids who had to spend most of their time there. There were a couple of childcare places we did some minimal time in and both were kid-herding centers.
@@Susq15 day care is never as good as the one to one contac a mom or dad can give their infant or toddler.There is more of a consistency of care and follow through too!
I completely agree (and generally so do the longitudinal studies) that daycare should be a last resort option. Daycare before the age of 3 has major risks and is associated with behavioral problems in adolescence. So I was surprised during this talk. However that correlation basically disappears when the daycare in question is of very high quality, and when the kids are over 3. What I take away from this podcast basically is that in the particular context where the home environment is unhealthy (parental fighting, abuse, substance abuse, etc) THEN daycare, specifically high quality daycare, along with visits and interventions from social workers etc, can help with damage control. It doesn’t mean that in general daycare or even high quality daycare is preferable to a child being raised with at least one stay at home parent (ideally mom if possible) for the first few years of life when forming a proper attachment style with the parent is so important. I’m pregnant with my first and no daycare for her for sure!
Interesting. I am located in British Columbia. I have 5 children 7 and under. It was offered since the birth of my first for a nurse to make a home visit and/or follow up with phone calls. New mother's are asked if we have a history of mental health/drugs/alcohol/smoking. I never needed to take advantage of this program but it's interesting to know why this program is offered and makes me appreciate its existence for those mother's that really need it.
And another one! He’s killin’ it again!
i bet a lot of people where relieved when mr peterson disapeared, some where concerned.
now he is back, with a vengance. this podcast format is a new quality of an antidote of misinformation and misbelieves that seemingly spread without resistance