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I don't think you picked up off on this but Senshi named the kelpie from earlier after the horse they had to eat, Anne. So that makes what went down with Anne the kelpie even more tragic
Also explains why he was so quick on his decision to start cutting her up for meat as a way of honoring her, since thats what they did to the original Anne.
Gotta contend your reasoning man Senshi did ate a Hippogriff, based on the fact Laios insinuated that the Griffin he killed was indeed originally a Hippogriff. He explained that the Griffin fought like a Hippogriff does by using its hind leg from last episode, plus the fact that from previous adventurer records this floor wasnt supposed to have Griffins
I think major reactors missed this detail, but when Marcille said "This is where we were originally headed!", is that the door was their original mission going deep into the dungeon. Before the anime begin, Laios party were supposed to investigate this particular door, and possibly map the area beyond it. The floor before the door area was thought to be the deepest part ever recorded. Red dragon happened and they never got to reach this place.
yup, i was like him when i read it the first time in the manga too but after I joined some discussions and talked about it with some ppl online and after reading some of ryoko kui adventurer's bible that explain various things that happens in the dungeon meshi world, I discover that I was wrong xD .. but you can't blame us .. they made it looks like 100% that is the case .. the anime even felt like it double down on that lol
Well sure. It seem to lead that way at first but after Laios's explaination in both anime and manga about griffin behavior. I think it's obviously clear that's not human meat.
If it adheres to old-school D&D Polymorph Any Object rules, it needs to pass a representative likeness test. While a true powergamer (in-universe an extremely creative and philosophical erratic wizard) could "define" things as like other things to justify the morph, or even daisy-chain a couple morphs in sequence to make it work, in general that representation rule is pretty ironclad. Of course, the Mad Wizard is very much that creative and philosophical erratic wizard, throwing around Polymorphs rather freely. He wouldn't have a problem using a changeling effect to turn Hippogriff into Human, especially on a small scale like one flank steak. So it is possible, I'd say, but not with the mindsets and powers they have on-hand.
THIS IS NOT A SPOILER. This is something thats in the manga but they took it out for this episode. But changelings can only turn living things to their closely related species. The gang are all humanoid species with the exception of izutsumi who is a beastman so she turned into a kobold. So that means it is impossible for a human to change into a griffin or vice versa.
Some folks thought putting Senshis Story with the Changeling story would be too tonally dissonant. but honestly I felt like it was a great lighthearted moment to have after!
However, enough features of theirs can be changed such that their relatives won’t recognize them/they’ll seem “off,” enough to incite conflict. In classic mythos (outside of this series), changelings are outright fae beings (still not ‘monsters,’ but certainly bastards) that replace babies and children as a dark “prank” on their victims.
1:50 They had _made_ a way in, so a way back definitely existed. The trouble was finding it, when Dungeon Cleaners (the little slimy worm-lookin’ things they made into edible dishes) exist purely to patch out breaks in the dungeon’s structure.
Halfling Marcille and Dwarf Laios are so cute. Senshi's backstory and his fear of finding out the truth will never cease to make me tear up. Props to the VA (both Japanese and German were great). Good reaction as always ❤
well i personally think that if senshi really ate human it will completely ruin the vibe of the story, the point is dwarf teammates never betrayed on each other plus the changelings can only change species into the one they're close to
13:56 I think Kensuke was supposed to belong with the armor of the "champion" or "chosen one" the kingdom ghosts heard from a prophesy of, and so the "chosen one" is supposed to be the only one to access this door with the sword. There might've been a reason for why the living armor had mullosks in the first place, for one that they may have been trained to be foot soldiers stationed at places for longer periods of time than for it to be possible with human soldiers. That's one seemingly technological use of the mullosks, and they prolly also applied another use of them to be used as a key to a locking mechanism for this specific door. It might've been the magic inside to make Kensuke to instinctively react to reach the door, but it could also be possibly be pheremones to attract them; perhaps maybe a combo of both. We have seen the kingdom was pretty innovative back then and still doing it to this day, they use monsters for farming and in turn they farm plenty of food (some of monster food like dyads) to reward them (altho it should be noted the ghost people no longer have to eat food). And within the castle they use deadly mechanical traps and made use of a huge olive tree garden to make hot oil traps. You can judge how prosperous a kingdom or city is by technology and they have (still to this day) the innovations to prove it. Its kind of like if Ancient Rome still exist to this day with their impressive sciences (altho their social structure would be remissed). Thanks for listening to my lil Ted-Talk 😅🤔
worth mentioning that one of the manga-only bonus comics about monster facts reveals that trolls aren't a real monster in the setting. troll is an old-fashioned half-foot language word for tall-man. in ancient history before the various races of the setting really interacted at all, half-foots thought tall-men were some kind of giant fucked up monsters. the belief faded over time when they realized "oh these are just regular people like us" but trolls as monsters are still used as a boogeyman to get half-foot kids to behave. (we see brief flashes of Chilchuck telling his kids to go to sleep or a troll will get them, to obey their parents or a troll will get them, and the reason their snacks have mysteriously gone missing is probably because a troll ate them all. definitely wasn't him, no sir.)
He would have been happy if mushrooms could turn humans into monsters. I couldn't do that. Therefore, no mistake has occurred. 🦅🐎↔️🦅🦁 In fact, he prioritizes research and deduction over eating. For the love of monsters and friends
2:50 dwarven trope is they are super traditionalist and want to maintain those views. This includes making sure the next generation survives to pass on those teachings even if means sacrificing their own lives. Dwarves inherent fear is their culture will go extinct which urges them to make grand structures, be paranoid who fo meet and teach non dwarves, get super defensive or assumed ppl will go after them (hence warhammer fantasy meme “it’s going in the $&@?ing book!” Which is book of grudges they have.), but become open is willing to learn their culture and history, share inventions and of course join for festivities.
Changelings in dungeon meshi are a species of mushrooms closely related to oyster mushrooms that form mushroom rings, while edible their spores are pathogenic meaning they cause illness in the form of high fevers and of course transmutation. Changelings form mushrooms rings which function like magic circles being able to transmute objects that step or is placed inside of them into other similarly related things, being able to completely change the physical characteristics of organisms and certain object such as food items into other similar things. Humanoids in dungeon meshi are all closely related to one another differing in only a few aspects such as lifespan, magic affinity, size etc. but these minute differences are enough for the Changelings to transmute one race into the other. the changelings transmute potential hosts as a way of getting the host's species to chastise and abandon them which often ends up leading to the host dying alone or even being killed by their own species, or they eventually succumb to the pathogenic spores, this allows the mushrooms to proliferate and form new mushroom rings elsewhere. The cure for transmutation is ridiculously simple though it takes time, all one would need to do is to thoroughly clean off any spores that remain on your body, you can also make a potion from the mushroom gills but that requires other ingredients. According to side information, Old folk remedies for changelings practically tortured the poor children affected by them until they realized all they needed was a thorough bath. Killing or even cooking the host or the spores does not revert the transmutation, this means changeling mushroom rings can be exploited to transmute things such as grains, you can convert barley into an equivalent ratio of rice since they are both closely related, be advised as to which ingredient you may want to transmute because they might turn into poisonous relatives.
If you paid really attention you can deduce Senshi's age, this story happened 9 years ago (three years before the dungeon was officially found by the town above) Senshi is around 36 years old in this story, which makes him around 44 to 45. And Dwarfs live around 250 years and age roughly 2.5x slower than humans, this means he is roughly 20 to 21 in human age. If not a bit younger. The oldest among them is funny enough Chillchuck. 29, and halflings live up to 50.
Alot of years passed since Senshi's story and when the king came to the surface, the mangaka gives Senshi's age in The Adventurer's Bible. I guess when he said that he started research in the dungeon 10 years ago he must have been trying to lie and slipped up, or spent a really long time in captivity with the orcs or that was just a plot hole.
@@khrndr Maybe just lost his sense of time for spending too much time in the Dungeon. He believes he only spent 10 years, but it in truth it was a lot longer than that.
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In the manga ( I THINK it's the manga? That or some supplemental side material by the artist) there's a diagram showing every main character in every race, and Senshi is made to be conventionally attractive for that specific race in each one of them. The audience thinking Senshi's hot isn't just fans thirsting for him, he's canonically attractive no matter what, according to the author.
Senshi not eat human meat. Changeling effect can only turn 1 specie into relatble one by random. So it's canot turn human into griffin. don't make it even more darker
OK, no source knowledge, just cooked theories. 2:00 she's in the OP => important character. Mane of hair, blonde close to gold. She the lion? Rethorical question, no actual answers pls.
@@GabrielFreezers Also, gnomes are the second most magical species after elves, to the point that the two races have competing magic systems. Marcille would have been okay casting fireball as a gnome, plus she's a hybrid caster who was raised by an elven mage (her mom) but went to GNOME magic school.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Gnomes are number 2 when it comes to magic because they let the spirits to do it themselves when they want to use magic and their Mana is seen to be used to feed the spirits, while Elf compel the spirit to generate magic. That way, it means Gnomes really have a high mana efficiency. And just go compare Mr. Tance and Chilchuck ears in episode 9, you will see that Gnomes ears are *slightly* pointed like Marcille with a blunt tip, not completely rounded like Chillchuck.
I obviously missed where they said Changelings only change similar species. My bad. Thanks for the correction ❤
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I don't think you picked up off on this but Senshi named the kelpie from earlier after the horse they had to eat, Anne. So that makes what went down with Anne the kelpie even more tragic
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Also explains why he was so quick on his decision to start cutting her up for meat as a way of honoring her, since thats what they did to the original Anne.
He had to kill his own horse twice
Gotta contend your reasoning man Senshi did ate a Hippogriff, based on the fact Laios insinuated that the Griffin he killed was indeed originally a Hippogriff.
He explained that the Griffin fought like a Hippogriff does by using its hind leg from last episode, plus the fact that from previous adventurer records this floor wasnt supposed to have Griffins
Also i guess they implied Hippogriff arent carnivores while Griffins are, since Senshi wasnt imediatly killed and eaten
I think major reactors missed this detail, but when Marcille said "This is where we were originally headed!", is that the door was their original mission going deep into the dungeon.
Before the anime begin, Laios party were supposed to investigate this particular door, and possibly map the area beyond it. The floor before the door area was thought to be the deepest part ever recorded. Red dragon happened and they never got to reach this place.
I've read the whole manga and didn't pick up on it 😂
@@justinpehala2740It was in episode 20, 3 weeks ago.
@@justinpehala2740yeah, me too when first read it. Only knew after seeing other people's comments and reread older chapters
Good thing switching races kept their proportionate age if that makes sense. If not Laios would be a little kid and Marcille would be super old/dead
Marcille would be dead she is 80, half foots live 50 years
@@Vatsu03She's actually only 50
Marcille became like kid
1 thing need to point out tho
Changeling effect can only turn 1 specie into relatble one. So it's canot turn human into griffin.
yup, i was like him when i read it the first time in the manga too but after I joined some discussions and talked about it with some ppl online and after reading some of ryoko kui adventurer's bible that explain various things that happens in the dungeon meshi world, I discover that I was wrong xD .. but you can't blame us .. they made it looks like 100% that is the case .. the anime even felt like it double down on that lol
Well sure. It seem to lead that way at first but after Laios's explaination in both anime and manga about griffin behavior. I think it's obviously clear that's not human meat.
If it adheres to old-school D&D Polymorph Any Object rules, it needs to pass a representative likeness test. While a true powergamer (in-universe an extremely creative and philosophical erratic wizard) could "define" things as like other things to justify the morph, or even daisy-chain a couple morphs in sequence to make it work, in general that representation rule is pretty ironclad.
Of course, the Mad Wizard is very much that creative and philosophical erratic wizard, throwing around Polymorphs rather freely. He wouldn't have a problem using a changeling effect to turn Hippogriff into Human, especially on a small scale like one flank steak. So it is possible, I'd say, but not with the mindsets and powers they have on-hand.
Made in abyss vibe until Laios open his mouth
Literally!!! It's made in abyss eating our own till laois turns the anime into one piece
I said it is Made in Abyss but good after episode 1 aired.
@@lightningjadejavierLaois wanted to save Senshi from the nightmares in his… own ways.
THIS IS NOT A SPOILER. This is something thats in the manga but they took it out for this episode. But changelings can only turn living things to their closely related species. The gang are all humanoid species with the exception of izutsumi who is a beastman so she turned into a kobold. So that means it is impossible for a human to change into a griffin or vice versa.
And it is also impossible for a piece of meat which is a cooking ingredient to be turned into a human beings.
Some folks thought putting Senshis Story with the Changeling story would be too tonally dissonant. but honestly I felt like it was a great lighthearted moment to have after!
Half-foot Marcille is too adorable, I can't. 😭
Human can't turn into monster by changering.
However, enough features of theirs can be changed such that their relatives won’t recognize them/they’ll seem “off,” enough to incite conflict.
In classic mythos (outside of this series), changelings are outright fae beings (still not ‘monsters,’ but certainly bastards) that replace babies and children as a dark “prank” on their victims.
They can, just not in case of our party
I feel bad for the changling children who got burned to death by their parents that were hoping to get back their children by killing the "fakes".😢
1:50 They had _made_ a way in, so a way back definitely existed. The trouble was finding it, when Dungeon Cleaners (the little slimy worm-lookin’ things they made into edible dishes) exist purely to patch out breaks in the dungeon’s structure.
Basically the dungeon is alive and responds to people’s desires. I liked the detail of the gold fading away to stone.
Halfling Marcille and Dwarf Laios are so cute.
Senshi's backstory and his fear of finding out the truth will never cease to make me tear up. Props to the VA (both Japanese and German were great). Good reaction as always ❤
well i personally think that if senshi really ate human it will completely ruin the vibe of the story, the point is dwarf teammates never betrayed on each other plus the changelings can only change species into the one they're close to
It’s always the nicest character that has the tragic backstory
13:56 I think Kensuke was supposed to belong with the armor of the "champion" or "chosen one" the kingdom ghosts heard from a prophesy of, and so the "chosen one" is supposed to be the only one to access this door with the sword. There might've been a reason for why the living armor had mullosks in the first place, for one that they may have been trained to be foot soldiers stationed at places for longer periods of time than for it to be possible with human soldiers. That's one seemingly technological use of the mullosks, and they prolly also applied another use of them to be used as a key to a locking mechanism for this specific door.
It might've been the magic inside to make Kensuke to instinctively react to reach the door, but it could also be possibly be pheremones to attract them; perhaps maybe a combo of both. We have seen the kingdom was pretty innovative back then and still doing it to this day, they use monsters for farming and in turn they farm plenty of food (some of monster food like dyads) to reward them (altho it should be noted the ghost people no longer have to eat food). And within the castle they use deadly mechanical traps and made use of a huge olive tree garden to make hot oil traps. You can judge how prosperous a kingdom or city is by technology and they have (still to this day) the innovations to prove it. Its kind of like if Ancient Rome still exist to this day with their impressive sciences (altho their social structure would be remissed). Thanks for listening to my lil Ted-Talk 😅🤔
worth mentioning that one of the manga-only bonus comics about monster facts reveals that trolls aren't a real monster in the setting. troll is an old-fashioned half-foot language word for tall-man. in ancient history before the various races of the setting really interacted at all, half-foots thought tall-men were some kind of giant fucked up monsters. the belief faded over time when they realized "oh these are just regular people like us" but trolls as monsters are still used as a boogeyman to get half-foot kids to behave. (we see brief flashes of Chilchuck telling his kids to go to sleep or a troll will get them, to obey their parents or a troll will get them, and the reason their snacks have mysteriously gone missing is probably because a troll ate them all. definitely wasn't him, no sir.)
😊❤😊
You can only change into closely related species with the changelings. So the griffin couldn't possibly be a changed human.
did u notice, senshi name the from ep 7 same as the horse in this ep🥲
He would have been happy if mushrooms could turn humans into monsters.
I couldn't do that. Therefore, no mistake has occurred. 🦅🐎↔️🦅🦁
In fact, he prioritizes research and deduction over eating. For the love of monsters and friends
You thought it would be a high fantasy anime, about knights, elves and cooking monsters, BUT IT WAS ME, BERSERK!
2:50 dwarven trope is they are super traditionalist and want to maintain those views. This includes making sure the next generation survives to pass on those teachings even if means sacrificing their own lives.
Dwarves inherent fear is their culture will go extinct which urges them to make grand structures, be paranoid who fo meet and teach non dwarves, get super defensive or assumed ppl will go after them (hence warhammer fantasy meme “it’s going in the $&@?ing book!” Which is book of grudges they have.), but become open is willing to learn their culture and history, share inventions and of course join for festivities.
There's a detail here: elf Senshi's ear is different from Marcille's. It's a very important foreshadowing.
Yes, different from Fionil ears too.
Well, well, well... Tame Impala once said: THE LESS I KNOW, THE BETTER.
Changelings in dungeon meshi are a species of mushrooms closely related to oyster mushrooms that form mushroom rings, while edible their spores are pathogenic meaning they cause illness in the form of high fevers and of course transmutation. Changelings form mushrooms rings which function like magic circles being able to transmute objects that step or is placed inside of them into other similarly related things, being able to completely change the physical characteristics of organisms and certain object such as food items into other similar things. Humanoids in dungeon meshi are all closely related to one another differing in only a few aspects such as lifespan, magic affinity, size etc. but these minute differences are enough for the Changelings to transmute one race into the other. the changelings transmute potential hosts as a way of getting the host's species to chastise and abandon them which often ends up leading to the host dying alone or even being killed by their own species, or they eventually succumb to the pathogenic spores, this allows the mushrooms to proliferate and form new mushroom rings elsewhere. The cure for transmutation is ridiculously simple though it takes time, all one would need to do is to thoroughly clean off any spores that remain on your body, you can also make a potion from the mushroom gills but that requires other ingredients. According to side information, Old folk remedies for changelings practically tortured the poor children affected by them until they realized all they needed was a thorough bath. Killing or even cooking the host or the spores does not revert the transmutation, this means changeling mushroom rings can be exploited to transmute things such as grains, you can convert barley into an equivalent ratio of rice since they are both closely related, be advised as to which ingredient you may want to transmute because they might turn into poisonous relatives.
I'm not usually a fan of race-swaps, but this I can get behind! lol!!!
If you think about it... Izuzumi has only gone from one bad situation to another since she joined the crew... poor thing! 😂🤣😂
He really wanted Senshi to be a cannibal for some reason. XD
If you paid really attention you can deduce Senshi's age, this story happened 9 years ago (three years before the dungeon was officially found by the town above) Senshi is around 36 years old in this story, which makes him around 44 to 45. And Dwarfs live around 250 years and age roughly 2.5x slower than humans, this means he is roughly 20 to 21 in human age. If not a bit younger. The oldest among them is funny enough Chillchuck. 29, and halflings live up to 50.
nah senshi is 112, he spent a long time way before the dungeon was found
So did they found the dungeon way, way before it was discovered by the town?
yep that's why he didn't know much about half-foot, back to the days he's still on the surface there was no half-foot around
Alot of years passed since Senshi's story and when the king came to the surface, the mangaka gives Senshi's age in The Adventurer's Bible. I guess when he said that he started research in the dungeon 10 years ago he must have been trying to lie and slipped up, or spent a really long time in captivity with the orcs or that was just a plot hole.
@@khrndr Maybe just lost his sense of time for spending too much time in the Dungeon. He believes he only spent 10 years, but it in truth it was a lot longer than that.
they yassified Senshi
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姫様拷問のお時間ですもおすすめです！
応援してます！日本アニメを見てくれてありがとう！
also the name of the horse are the same as the name of senshi's kelpie
Senshi's backstory hit harder in the manga, the anime didn't make me cry.
Or probably cuz you already cry in the manga?
I personnaly cried to both lol
Speak for urself I'm an anime only & cried my eyes out
I found both very moving tbh. I did not cry with the manga but the anime made me very emotional.
Probably because
A. You already know what happened since you read the Manga.
B. Pacing is different between the Anime and Manga.
In the manga ( I THINK it's the manga? That or some supplemental side material by the artist) there's a diagram showing every main character in every race, and Senshi is made to be conventionally attractive for that specific race in each one of them. The audience thinking Senshi's hot isn't just fans thirsting for him, he's canonically attractive no matter what, according to the author.
Maybe from DayDream Hour?
I didn't find it in the manga or the Adventure Bible.
Anne....
Senshi not eat human meat. Changeling effect can only turn 1 specie into relatble one by random. So it's canot turn human into griffin. don't make it even more darker
OK, no source knowledge, just cooked theories. 2:00 she's in the OP => important character. Mane of hair, blonde close to gold. She the lion?
Rethorical question, no actual answers pls.
Succubus
When is she in the OP?
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huh wasn't marcille a gnome? must have misremembered
Gnomes have slightly pointed ears and they are not big.
@@GabrielFreezers Also, gnomes are the second most magical species after elves, to the point that the two races have competing magic systems. Marcille would have been okay casting fireball as a gnome, plus she's a hybrid caster who was raised by an elven mage (her mom) but went to GNOME magic school.
@@GabrielFreezers Not pointed. The ears are just located at the top of the head like in cats and dogs.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Gnomes are number 2 when it comes to magic because they let the spirits to do it themselves when they want to use magic and their Mana is seen to be used to feed the spirits, while Elf compel the spirit to generate magic.
That way, it means Gnomes really have a high mana efficiency.
And just go compare Mr. Tance and Chilchuck ears in episode 9, you will see that Gnomes ears are *slightly* pointed like Marcille with a blunt tip, not completely rounded like Chillchuck.
just letting you know, the playlist is messed up and needs fixing.
thanks for the heads up. I fixed it.