Jane Doe COMPLETELY changed my life. When I first heard it, it was the most abrasive, chaotic, and unenjoyable mess I had ever heard. Now, after having listened to it countless times, it's one of my all time favorite records. God, it's so dense, noisy, but it's beautifully constructed. Another amazing video as always Oliver!!!
@@noilick i think It is the most replayable extreme metal/hardcore record ever made...'cause It has everything in between!!...It has the craziest tones,It has haunting tones Also beautiful melancholy when It reaches the final moments
Also check out proto-Car Bomb band from the late 90's NYHC scene, Neck. Vocalist AND guitarist of Car Bomb. A lot of it sounds like a more melodic car bomb. Its in the era of nu metal though...theres some parts you'll want to skip, AND some parts your jaw will drop about.
Love Dillinger so much. You listen to an album the first time and it's just so discordant and unpredictable, but the more you listen the more you recognise and it all starts to take shape. It's like solving a puzzle almost
Honestly dont really believe I just feel like searching "mathcore" one day having already known and listened to it for years and somehow find a video from someone under 70K subs with alot of thought put into it and the video was also posted a day earlier. This is truly fate. Life is incredible and music is eternal.
Worse Than Alone by The Number Twelve Looks Like You is the pinnacle of mathcore, for me. Unparalleled riffs and grooves. Punishingly heavy in some parts, while pulling off smooth latin jazz grooves in others. Odd-time meters run aplenty, but, unlike far too many mathcore / mathrock groups (and even this band's earlier records), they don't sound forced / awkward. On the contrary, their rhythmic complexities feel sophisticated and organic. Even when they play in simpler time signatures, the syncopations, polyrhythms, polymeters and countless subtle nuances make for a dizzy-but-delightful rollercoaster ride of a musical experience. maybe it's not a good INTRO to mathcore, but once one has an appreciation/ear for aspects & tendencies of the ~genre, this is a masterful 45 minutes of music to enjoy & (attempt to) analyze / pick apart. On another note... I always found Converge to be pretty boring.
1) Botch - We Are The Romans (1999) 2) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (1999) 3) Converge - Jane Doe (2001) 4) Car_Bomb - Centralia (2007) 5) The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza - Danza IIII: The Alpha - The Omega (2012)
1) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (also, Treasure) 2) Beach House - Teen Dream 3) Fishmans - Long Season 4) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out 5) The xx - xx
1) Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss 2) Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse 3) Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane 4) Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky 5) Ulver - Bergtatt
These albums are all incredible, I don’t think there’s a single better mathcore album than Our Puzzling Encounters Considered by Psyopus. Shit goes hard and fast and ive never heard anything like it
Awesome video, and you nailed the reasons for justifying putting 'Jane Doe' on the list, it's definitely their most abrasive and mathcore leaning album. I've never met a Converge fan that doesn't like Dillinger (or vice versa). If you were to add a 6 & 7 it has to be Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics Employed to Serve - Greyer Than You Remember
the chariot need some love! also, these '5 albums to get into' series are brill but how do you feel about a sort of '5 not so obvious albums' series. these starter kit videos serve their purpose but personally the unknown obscure gems are the reason I digest and flock to music channels
Norma Jean and the chariot are as main stream as you could get in the early 2000s. Josh scogin was the man! Although I fell out of love after the second album chariot released. Felt it lacked the inspiration and depth of his previous albums. Not heard anything from him since. Kinda like Unearth. 😂 Oh if you a big scogin fanboy check out luti-kriss! That's when he first came onto the metalcore/hardcore scene and that shit was amazing!!
The Chariot isn't really mathcore. It's chatoic and noisey but it's not written in the same deliberate way some of these records were. Adding feedback between riffs doesn't really make you mathcore.
@@waveemann8857 it changes time signature but it's from the chaotic side rather than technical side. The Chariot is more Mathcore than any other genre in the outcome of their music but they don't follow the same path to reach that conclusion.
I will never forget when I first discovered The Chariot. I saw their music video for Daggers on tv. It was exactly the kind of music I wanted to hear, especially Josh's vocals. Long Live The Chariot.
Look up a channel called Lie Like Music. It's not necessarily a guide to them, the person who runs the channel admitted to not knowing enough about them, but he does have an interesting video about the fans. As someone who does really like them, it was an interesting video.
Great list but It seems a bit weird to me that you left out Norma Jean's Bless the martyr and kiss the child. I understand that there might be a simmilar issue as with Converge, because that album is definitely very breakdowny and metalcore oriented but still I think that the album is one of the mathcore staples and one of the best and most influential in the genre. Dissonant, crazy yet very melancholic and moody.
Weird. I was just listening to that Car Bomb album while I was driving home, wondering whether I would consider them mathcore or not. Then this video happened to pop up in my recommended videos. New to the channel. Have a like and subscribe. Also, though, I think Coalesce deserves a mention here, as they are often credited as the pioneers of mathcore. Functioning On Impatience is a near-perfect album.
Five MORE albums to get you into mathcore: *Note; some of these aren't exactly "math" or don't fit in the 'mathcore' category much, but I'm sure you'll like them anyway 1.The Sawtooth Grin - Cuddlemonster, these guys are kind of like the Piglet of mathcore. It was a shortlived mathcore group, but my god did their songs slap, if you like Minakakis era Dillinger Escape Plan, you'll love this album. It is absurd, with descontextual and scathologic song titles, the guitars actually have single coils instead of humbucking pickups, which gives them a 'twangy' sound, something that really doesn't fit in a subgenre like mathcore but at the same time, it's kind of a signature for this band. 2.Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless, this is like Calculating Infinity except it's waaay more grindcore. Shrill, almost woman-like shrieks, gastrointestinal growls, insane blast beats, and entertaining guitar work. I said it's like Calculating Infinity because unlike previous releases from the band, sometimes the songs feel a bit odd, but not as fancy as maybe, We Are The Romans or Miss Machine. Again, if you like the stuff Dillinger did with Minakakis, this is like that except a notch up, at least in terms of sound. 3.Converge - Petitioning The Empty Sky, I never got into Jane Doe too much, never listened to it too much but at the same time never turned it down, however I always got hooked with this album, it just seems to be more thrashy than Jane Doe, this is the album that earned Converge the reputation of being 'mathcore Slayer' and it makes sense, they are fucking fast and loud here, which I think is a good thing. 4.Coalesce - 0:12 Revolution In Just Listening, This band is underrated man, they are really good and contemporary to all the other three bands I mentioned, except they're straight up mathcore, it has sections and odd time grooves instead of blast beats and high screams. I'm not sure if it could be considered a landmark in mathcore's history, but I think it's a good album. 5.Ed Gein - It's a Shame, I'm actually listening to this right now! I was thinking about putting Botch's An Anthology Of Dead Ends (which you should promptly check out if you haven't, it's a short EP but it's so good I consider it an album) but this blows me away, it's awesome, that's what I can say by now, it has samples from interviews, movies, and the usual odd time signature distinctive of mathcore.
See you next Tuesday, duckduckgoose, seeyouspacecowboy, daughters (first album), Ed gein, me and him call it us, destroyer destroyer, and heavy heavy low low (first ep), are awesome "modern" mathcore artists
Hey Oli, I would recommend this year's album Annihilated by the band Sectioned if you haven't listened to it already, some absolutely mind bending stuff ala Car Bomb
Really like most of these picks and the video overall. Great in depth explanations. I personally would've had Mongrel by The Number Twelve Looks Like You on here. Also, do you think you'd be open to doing 5 Albums To Get You Into Screamo/Skramz? It's one of my favorite genres and I feel it's sometimes a bit overlooked.
Danza really isn't JUST Mathcore the more you think about it. Danza 1 is very Mathcore/Grindcore and I like to believe all the rest of the Danza discography is simply a different take on this one. Danza 1 is such a perfect album to make a fun example of Mathcore. A good three of it's tracks cock tease you into thinking you are going to hear a jumpy Guns and Roses rip off song but swiftly cuts to a beauty at it's -core (get it?). The sounds of Danza 1 and III are much closer than what you might think. If you think about it, you're wasting time not listening to Danza, but the main drive of both albums really comes down to being a technically catchy, jumpy, blastbeat experiment. This album really hits its stride right from the get-go and each song can stand alone as a single if necessary. Like I said, it's more or less the essence or foundation of Danza and what they consult when looking for inspiration. Humble beginnings. Danza II is much like Danza 1. It also sparks the idea of a mathcore album verging on a concept album complete with skits. The skits are pretty hilarious. Everyone's giving this mentally unstable south-western guy trouble for More or less this album, albeit short, attempts to create a sarcastic and joking take on Danza 1 while also upping tempo from the former. Jessie drives home lyrics making fun of or recalling events and peoples in his and Danza members' lives which, when read, much like Danza 1, sounds dramatic and exaggerated, but hearing it, it is clear that you're listening to some of the least dramatically delivered Danza there is. Danza III Joshua Travis joins and brings SUB-Djent tuning lower than a submarine and Deathcore-izes the fuck out of Danza by integrating br00tal 5-20 second breakdowns next to the obligatory blast beats. Bass and Drums get a bit jazzy in tracks like There's A Time And A Place For Everything or Passenger 57. Jessie also pushes the most aggressive anti-establishment-government-conspiracy-theory-anxiety-lyrics I've ever heard to make a solid project. Together most of the songs range from anxious, ragey, technical as shit, _groovy,_ or "look at me mom, I can play at 300 BPM" but never all at the same time. The result is a slowed down tempo Danza that is almost a classic in my book. Danza IIII You can really start to hear a metalcore influence and ALMOST hear/imagine melody in tracks like This Cut Was The Deepest, This is Forever, and Hold The Line. It's not necessarily a bad thing but it does get kinda maybe sorta cheesy after the umpteenth listen. Even though The Alpha The Omega is one of my all time favorite Danza tracks it's very swung in the direction of Deathcore and in my listening, not quite Mathcore. Especially since that track features Phil Bozeman of Whitechapel and Alex Terrible, the Deathcore influence is very prominent. If I was to say those tracks were the only one-offs I'd be wrong, but given the amount of tracks and the fact it's a Danza album means that anything coming out from these guys is going to be blessed with a Midas touch. Nothing here is worth skipping even though it's not in reality "full blown on-set mathfuckingcore". The entirety of TDTE is impossible to ignore when talking about Mathcore or a single TDTE album like Danza IIII. The best part of Danza is how much they change every single album and what type of direction they go for. I love every single Danza album with a passion. It's truly some of the best technically heavy music out there along with projects like WhenKnivesGoSkyward which the guitarist Joshua Travis was in along with the band the vocalist from Knives's band Frontierer which is basically a cross between Danza 3, Knives, and calculating infinity by Dillinger.
6:48 absolutely right xdd i showed to my best friend the album, he never heard nothing about something called "mathcore" (me neither) so when he listened he hated the voice, and he not understood the music, 1 year later he is fan of DEP and mathcore and math rock genres (he presented to me "Don caballero" what a project dude, brilliant)
Mate, seems like I have to check out that Tony Danze record! Enjoyed the video very much, your vocabulary never seizes to amaze me. Would you think about doing a 5 Albums to Get You Into SLUDGE METAL video? I would love to see your perspective on that genre, or if you have listened to any of it before!
7:03 That's How Tripods Work by Oktober Skyline is another mathcore album with a fucking relentlessly brutal intro. Awesome album, awesome band, worth checking out if you like mathcore.
Thank you for this video! I was aware of all of these bands besides Car Bomb, however, I had never done a deep dive on most of them. After watching this video I spent my work shift listening to all 5 albums and it was absolutely crushing. Thank you!
So never heard of car bomb?!? Can't wait to give them a listen!! I agree with the rest of the lineup. Never cared Converge but can respect the role the be played in the metalcore scene. But hey quick question I always considered (The End "Elementary) and (The Human Abstract "Midheaven) mathcore... But now you have me doubting it. Where would you place them?!? I've looked for similar bands countless times to no avail. Quite problematic when you have a particular music itch that needs to be scratched.
Jane Doe is one of the most intense metal albums I have ever heard in my life. I have never heard a scream so ear piercingly loud, yet emotional and pained. Never have I heard a simple drum kit become the instrument to which the soundtrack to the apocalypse would be kept in time with. Never have I heard a guitar so fast and technical, yet so effortlessly played. Never have I heard a bass guitar that rivals the guitar in terms of how intense it is. And never have I heard a record so pummeling, emotional, and at times, horrifying, yet so badass, fun, and at times very catchy.
I watched this video during the pandemic, within the last 3 years and then I started digging deeper into Mathcore. Well, November 17, 2023 I saw Botch, Converge and Cave In at Roadrunner in Boston and it was an incredible night for music. I'd see Botch again if given the chance and that was my third time seeing Converge and Cave In. Wish I got into this scene earlier on but it's great to discover now.
well in a world where if someone said mathcore people would starting yelling periphery or some shit, it doesn't hurt to pull out the juggernauts of days past haha
If you want some deeper cuts, check out Germany's War From A Harlots Mouth. While their discography is getting darker and less jazzy as time progressed due to a vocalist change, their debut LP Transmetropolitan is hard-hitting mathcore with insane drumming. I might prefer their sophomore release In Shoals for the pressing atmosphere, but Transmet and their demo EP are wayyyyy more demented and full of great rhythms and untriggered live drums.
Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics Ion Dissonance - Cast the First Stone Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum Lye By Mistake - Fea Jur Septa - Destroyer Facing The Swarm Thought - Bridges Frontierer - Unloved Tears Before - Reversal The End - Elementary
Holy shit guy, I found the tony Danza tapdance extravaganza when I was like 11 years old and have never fucking forgotten about them, they had a massive impact upon me. crazy to see them actually being recognised, I thought they where suuuper obscure
Just found your channel. Its excellent. My old band opened for These Arms Are Snakes at the Southampton Joiners way back. Meeting Brian Cook is the most starstruck I've ever been.
still waiting on 5 albums to get you into canterbury scene, lol. calculating infinity was THE album that got me into fast metal before that i only had heard doom stuff. ill never be able to replicate that feeling of having my mind being blown almost like a shotgun blast to my head the first time i heard the first couple tracks off of it. i also feel like ill never be able to replicate that feeling of pure unadulterated intensity that I felt at first
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (feat. Mike Patton); Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance; Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics; YOG - Half The Sky; Ion Dissonance - Solace; Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum; Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion; Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends
I discovered Mathcore through a friend of mine, who showed me Car Bomb probably about two months ago, and even though I didn't really know what i was listening to, I was absorbed with it. Thanks for assembling this list! Now I have a much more varied pallet for this style of music, and I've found that this is the culmination of what was started with the punk movement in the 70s. It challenges everything that I thought music needed, and sticks the landing
Fantastic video, I have always wanted to get into Mathcore and this is a great jumping off point. I think an awesome guide video would be a guide to The Mountain Goats. With such an expansive and varied back catalogue of music from the absurd mind John Darnielle, I think it would be an incredible watch.
i get why people say converge are more metalcore but they are definitely also mathcore, especially since they were one of the earliest hardcore bands to start putting in that more technical and dissonant sound into their music
Who the hell would disagree with putting Converge on the mathcore bands list? Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan and Botch are mathcore's holy trinity.
mathcore and math have 2 same things:
1 math
2 brutal
i see Calculating Infinity in the thumbnail, i click
Franken Crisp great fucking record
Dillinger fans unite!
Bee Eater Johnson unity
Jane Doe COMPLETELY changed my life. When I first heard it, it was the most abrasive, chaotic, and unenjoyable mess I had ever heard. Now, after having listened to it countless times, it's one of my all time favorite records. God, it's so dense, noisy, but it's beautifully constructed. Another amazing video as always Oliver!!!
Dylan McMahon 🙌
couldnt agree more, i listen to it almost everyday and ive never gotten tired of it, definitely my favorite album of all time
hey guys idk if this is mathcore but check out mage hand
I can't relate more I still put Jane Doe in full blast in my home.
@@noilick i think It is the most replayable extreme metal/hardcore record ever made...'cause It has everything in between!!...It has the craziest tones,It has haunting tones Also beautiful melancholy when It reaches the final moments
Calculating Infinity is one of the best albums ever
KILLERR Jane Doe too
I always favored Dimitri on vocals than Greg.
Greg has the more characteristic voice. It is what defines the band now and I think his voice is absolutely spectacular.
Can't stand Greg's voice. They sound so poppy now.
dxfxct Now? They broke up lol
thank you for including car bomb. their most recent album is perfection.
Everything they've done is perfection.
Oh snap, I didn't know they made a comeback. Amazing.
I can’t get into them. It sounds like a bunch of disparate interesting ideas taped together. I guess I don’t get it, is what I’m saying.
Also check out proto-Car Bomb band from the late 90's NYHC scene, Neck.
Vocalist AND guitarist of Car Bomb. A lot of it sounds like a more melodic car bomb. Its in the era of nu metal though...theres some parts you'll want to skip, AND some parts your jaw will drop about.
Centralia is the first mathcore piece I picked up, really hard to listen to until much later. Newest album is absolutely superb 👌
Bless your heart for crediting Botch. They don't get enough love. Frequency Ass Bandit is an essential mathcore/metalcore track.
Agreed. So sad they just took them off Spotify
@@pedros7341 they’re finally back on Spotify, and potentially back as a band.
my Spotify profile has been called "the frequency ass bandit" for 3 years lol
@@tpags7398 okumay spotted
my list:
Calculating Infinity (1999)
Miss Machine (2004)
Ire Works (2007)
Option Paralysis (2010)
One of Us Is the Killer (2013)
Dissociation (2016)
Lmao. That's my list too.
All except One of Us. Weakest album they made
@Cooper Chew I totally disagree, but to each their own.
I'd go for
1. Ire Works
2. Miss Machine
3. Calculating Infinity
4. Dissociation
5. Option Paralysis
Love Dillinger so much. You listen to an album the first time and it's just so discordant and unpredictable, but the more you listen the more you recognise and it all starts to take shape. It's like solving a puzzle almost
This channel seriously has the best quality content. Always looking forward to what your next video will be about
Honestly dont really believe I just feel like searching "mathcore" one day having already known and listened to it for years and somehow find a video from someone under 70K subs with alot of thought put into it and the video was also posted a day earlier. This is truly fate. Life is incredible and music is eternal.
Everyone should also check out Frontierer
George Endress Frontierer is awesome. Thank you.
@Tony Kubetz was the heaviest album ever ....until Car bomb release Mordial ..Holy fuck
agreed
One of my favorite new mathcore acts!
They're good but the albums start sounding samey after a while
Album: *Lost Isles*
By: *Oceans Ate Alaska*
Year: *2015*
It's my favorite mathcore album i've ever heard
We Are the Romans is one of the best records ever made
I love their more post-hardcore influenced mathcore sound, but the vocals kinda suck...
And for that, for me that album is just unlistenable.
@@Anarchidi that's exactly how I feel about it, if it had harsher and all around better vocals I'd probably appreciate a lot more
@@Anarchidi vocals are completely fine you're nit picking
Jack Smith American Nervoso is better
@@chrisryan2107 it's great but I prefer We Are the Romans
Worse Than Alone by The Number Twelve Looks Like You is the pinnacle of mathcore, for me. Unparalleled riffs and grooves. Punishingly heavy in some parts, while pulling off smooth latin jazz grooves in others. Odd-time meters run aplenty, but, unlike far too many mathcore / mathrock groups (and even this band's earlier records), they don't sound forced / awkward. On the contrary, their rhythmic complexities feel sophisticated and organic. Even when they play in simpler time signatures, the syncopations, polyrhythms, polymeters and countless subtle nuances make for a dizzy-but-delightful rollercoaster ride of a musical experience.
maybe it's not a good INTRO to mathcore, but once one has an appreciation/ear for aspects & tendencies of the ~genre, this is a masterful 45 minutes of music to enjoy & (attempt to) analyze / pick apart.
On another note... I always found Converge to be pretty boring.
AGREED
YESS !!
i wish people talked more about this album i love it so much
Nuclear.sad.nuclear was a better album in my opinion
that's an interesting album. Put on your rosy Red Glasses is my favorite of the old TNTLLY
It might be because I like the weirdness, but I cant get enough of mongrel.
Looking fresh Oliver. Thank you so much for all the videos you’ve made and all the music you’ve gotten me into.
Got an ad for brilliant.org and in the start they asked "are you interested in math?"
5 albums to get you into avant-garde metal.
Sleepytime Gorrilla Museum discography
definitely bath by motw. it's THE avant-metal album
Leaving your body map is almost as good
1)MESHUGGAH
@MrMarioDuck i agree, patton is god
Dream pop 5 album essentials
1) Botch - We Are The Romans (1999)
2) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (1999)
3) Converge - Jane Doe (2001)
4) Car_Bomb - Centralia (2007)
5) The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza - Danza IIII: The Alpha - The Omega (2012)
Brutus Records shitty list lmao no cocteau twins lmao
OH YES !
Fair enough, I was basing it off what I like it. Might not be 'essentials' but still dope af
1) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (also, Treasure)
2) Beach House - Teen Dream
3) Fishmans - Long Season
4) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
5) The xx - xx
Thank you so much for including number 5. This is a band that shouldn't be forgotten.
The list feels incomplete without Coalesce.
YES! I would put Bloodlet and the first Norma Jean album on this list as well. Even Harvey Milk's earlier material fits here as well.
Definitely
WE ARE THE ROMAAAANNNSSS
Was REALLY not expecting Danza to show up in this vid but good work, they need more recognition.
I've always considered Jane Doe to be both Metalcore and Mathcore, while most of Converge's other music tends to just lean towards Metalcore.
I'd go further and say Converge is more on the hardcore side tbh
@@SinnedNogara most mathcore is on the hardcore side lol
@@fugue6943 Converge isn't that mathy but thank's for acknowledging that it isn't metal.
Fuck I'd never day they were Metalcore. It's like doing them a diservice by calling them that!
I've heard the album called post hardcore too.
Nice to see Danza get some love!
HOW ABOUT 5 ALBUMS TO GET INTO NICKRLBACK
5 albums to listen to before i kill my self.
@Draevon May You dare insult Nickelback?!
LOOK AT THIS GRAPH
Just have a dude jizz in your ear and blast a confetti popper point blank range. Similar experience. 🤘😂
Replace Converge with Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops (1999) I don’t see Converge as a mathcore band.
Botch perfected it.
Wow, thank you so much for introducing me to Car Bomb! What a mind-blowing album!
Rolo Tomassi are my personal favourite. Their first EP and the first 2 albums. Absolute ART!
black metal essentials!
trve kvlt kid:
burzum
burzum
burzum
burzum
burzum
1) Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
2) Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
3) Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
4) Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
5) Ulver - Bergtatt
1. Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
2. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal
3. Akitsa - Sang Nordique
4. Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters
5. Mgła - With Hearts Toward None
Too vanilla I like when he gets into really weird shit.
mechalpuco I love bergtatt but every time I try to listen to nattens madrigal I lose my hearing for 80 years due to all the treble frequencies
Car Bomb = best mathcore band that is still going
ikr.. im here cuz i am seachin fo bands like em but im kinda disapointed
This video makes me so happy, i love mathcore. Not enough people talk about it. This is a great starter list!
yessss Botch. i have that album on cd and it always sounds fresh.
The Trees Are Dead and Dried Out by Sikth and Fall of Troy's debut are bloody classic too
These albums are all incredible, I don’t think there’s a single better mathcore album than Our Puzzling Encounters Considered by Psyopus. Shit goes hard and fast and ive never heard anything like it
Really love Converge and DEP. Great list.
I would say your missing Coalesce - Revolution in Just Listening and Breather Resist- Charmer.
The fact that Dillinger did an EP with Mike Fucking Patton means I can die happy
Awesome video, and you nailed the reasons for justifying putting 'Jane Doe' on the list, it's definitely their most abrasive and mathcore leaning album. I've never met a Converge fan that doesn't like Dillinger (or vice versa).
If you were to add a 6 & 7 it has to be
Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics
Employed to Serve - Greyer Than You Remember
Updated the rym list!: rateyourmusic.com/list/expand/deep-cuts-5-albums-to-get-you-into-lists/1/
excellent selections there, but i feel like "The Fall Of Troy" missed out here.
Rockstar nailbomb and ex creations are amazing examples
the chariot need some love! also, these '5 albums to get into' series are brill but how do you feel about a sort of '5 not so obvious albums' series. these starter kit videos serve their purpose but personally the unknown obscure gems are the reason I digest and flock to music channels
Norma Jean and the chariot are as main stream as you could get in the early 2000s. Josh scogin was the man! Although I fell out of love after the second album chariot released. Felt it lacked the inspiration and depth of his previous albums. Not heard anything from him since. Kinda like Unearth. 😂
Oh if you a big scogin fanboy check out luti-kriss! That's when he first came onto the metalcore/hardcore scene and that shit was amazing!!
The Chariot isn't really mathcore. It's chatoic and noisey but it's not written in the same deliberate way some of these records were. Adding feedback between riffs doesn't really make you mathcore.
@@waveemann8857 it changes time signature but it's from the chaotic side rather than technical side. The Chariot is more Mathcore than any other genre in the outcome of their music but they don't follow the same path to reach that conclusion.
i always just called The Chariot chaotic hardcore.
I will never forget when I first discovered The Chariot. I saw their music video for Daggers on tv. It was exactly the kind of music I wanted to hear, especially Josh's vocals.
Long Live The Chariot.
A guide to the cure would be very nice
definitely
Look up a channel called Lie Like Music. It's not necessarily a guide to them, the person who runs the channel admitted to not knowing enough about them, but he does have an interesting video about the fans. As someone who does really like them, it was an interesting video.
i wasn't much a fan of that video, I wanted to hear more about the band itself
I don't know if im the only one that only likes D.E.P pre 2004 material
Great list but It seems a bit weird to me that you left out Norma Jean's Bless the martyr and kiss the child. I understand that there might be a simmilar issue as with Converge, because that album is definitely very breakdowny and metalcore oriented but still I think that the album is one of the mathcore staples and one of the best and most influential in the genre. Dissonant, crazy yet very melancholic and moody.
I was about to say the same thing!!!!! Awesome album. Takes me back.........
Opened for Norma Jean, probably the last time I heard that name
YES ! I've been looking forward to this list ever since you announced it in "Deep Cuts Needs Your Help". :D
Most likely my favourite genre, glad you're drawing some attention to it and helping people get into it!
Fear Before the March of Flames LOVE IT !!!
Weird. I was just listening to that Car Bomb album while I was driving home, wondering whether I would consider them mathcore or not. Then this video happened to pop up in my recommended videos. New to the channel. Have a like and subscribe.
Also, though, I think Coalesce deserves a mention here, as they are often credited as the pioneers of mathcore. Functioning On Impatience is a near-perfect album.
Five MORE albums to get you into mathcore:
*Note; some of these aren't exactly "math" or don't fit in the 'mathcore' category much, but I'm sure you'll like them anyway
1.The Sawtooth Grin - Cuddlemonster, these guys are kind of like the Piglet of mathcore. It was a shortlived mathcore group, but my god did their songs slap, if you like Minakakis era Dillinger Escape Plan, you'll love this album. It is absurd, with descontextual and scathologic song titles, the guitars actually have single coils instead of humbucking pickups, which gives them a 'twangy' sound, something that really doesn't fit in a subgenre like mathcore but at the same time, it's kind of a signature for this band.
2.Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless, this is like Calculating Infinity except it's waaay more grindcore. Shrill, almost woman-like shrieks, gastrointestinal growls, insane blast beats, and entertaining guitar work. I said it's like Calculating Infinity because unlike previous releases from the band, sometimes the songs feel a bit odd, but not as fancy as maybe, We Are The Romans or Miss Machine. Again, if you like the stuff Dillinger did with Minakakis, this is like that except a notch up, at least in terms of sound.
3.Converge - Petitioning The Empty Sky, I never got into Jane Doe too much, never listened to it too much but at the same time never turned it down, however I always got hooked with this album, it just seems to be more thrashy than Jane Doe, this is the album that earned Converge the reputation of being 'mathcore Slayer' and it makes sense, they are fucking fast and loud here, which I think is a good thing.
4.Coalesce - 0:12 Revolution In Just Listening, This band is underrated man, they are really good and contemporary to all the other three bands I mentioned, except they're straight up mathcore, it has sections and odd time grooves instead of blast beats and high screams. I'm not sure if it could be considered a landmark in mathcore's history, but I think it's a good album.
5.Ed Gein - It's a Shame, I'm actually listening to this right now! I was thinking about putting Botch's An Anthology Of Dead Ends (which you should promptly check out if you haven't, it's a short EP but it's so good I consider it an album) but this blows me away, it's awesome, that's what I can say by now, it has samples from interviews, movies, and the usual odd time signature distinctive of mathcore.
Thank you for mentioning Ed Gein!
cuddlemonster is literally a masterpiece
Danza’s first album is the greatest!
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See you next Tuesday, duckduckgoose, seeyouspacecowboy, daughters (first album), Ed gein, me and him call it us, destroyer destroyer, and heavy heavy low low (first ep), are awesome "modern" mathcore artists
jeormes dream
Torrential Downpour
dont forget As The Sun Sets (pre-daughters mathcore band)
Now this is the good shit Oli
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marsvoltian :yeethink:
Hey Oli, I would recommend this year's album Annihilated by the band Sectioned if you haven't listened to it already, some absolutely mind bending stuff ala Car Bomb
YESS! sectioned-annhilated is amazing
Calculating Infinity blew my fucking mind when I heard it. Still a fucking beast now.
Really like most of these picks and the video overall. Great in depth explanations. I personally would've had Mongrel by The Number Twelve Looks Like You on here. Also, do you think you'd be open to doing 5 Albums To Get You Into Screamo/Skramz? It's one of my favorite genres and I feel it's sometimes a bit overlooked.
car bomb the only band still keeping mathcore alive
Aye! Tony Danza!
Went for the recommendation of Tony Danza straight away without watching the video. I am abso-fucking-lutely not disappointed.
Really cool stuff from those guys, no doubt.
I was so into em in the MySpace days. Never expected them to pop up anymore lmao
First heard of them in college where they were from. They blew me away. Hate they split up. Such a brutal band.
Danza really isn't JUST Mathcore the more you think about it.
Danza 1 is very Mathcore/Grindcore and I like to believe all the rest of the Danza discography is simply a different take on this one. Danza 1 is such a perfect album to make a fun example of Mathcore. A good three of it's tracks cock tease you into thinking you are going to hear a jumpy Guns and Roses rip off song but swiftly cuts to a beauty at it's -core (get it?). The sounds of Danza 1 and III are much closer than what you might think. If you think about it, you're wasting time not listening to Danza, but the main drive of both albums really comes down to being a technically catchy, jumpy, blastbeat experiment. This album really hits its stride right from the get-go and each song can stand alone as a single if necessary. Like I said, it's more or less the essence or foundation of Danza and what they consult when looking for inspiration. Humble beginnings.
Danza II is much like Danza 1. It also sparks the idea of a mathcore album verging on a concept album complete with skits. The skits are pretty hilarious. Everyone's giving this mentally unstable south-western guy trouble for More or less this album, albeit short, attempts to create a sarcastic and joking take on Danza 1 while also upping tempo from the former. Jessie drives home lyrics making fun of or recalling events and peoples in his and Danza members' lives which, when read, much like Danza 1, sounds dramatic and exaggerated, but hearing it, it is clear that you're listening to some of the least dramatically delivered Danza there is.
Danza III Joshua Travis joins and brings SUB-Djent tuning lower than a submarine and Deathcore-izes the fuck out of Danza by integrating br00tal 5-20 second breakdowns next to the obligatory blast beats. Bass and Drums get a bit jazzy in tracks like There's A Time And A Place For Everything or Passenger 57. Jessie also pushes the most aggressive anti-establishment-government-conspiracy-theory-anxiety-lyrics I've ever heard to make a solid project. Together most of the songs range from anxious, ragey, technical as shit, _groovy,_ or "look at me mom, I can play at 300 BPM" but never all at the same time. The result is a slowed down tempo Danza that is almost a classic in my book.
Danza IIII You can really start to hear a metalcore influence and ALMOST hear/imagine melody in tracks like This Cut Was The Deepest, This is Forever, and Hold The Line. It's not necessarily a bad thing but it does get kinda maybe sorta cheesy after the umpteenth listen. Even though The Alpha The Omega is one of my all time favorite Danza tracks it's very swung in the direction of Deathcore and in my listening, not quite Mathcore. Especially since that track features Phil Bozeman of Whitechapel and Alex Terrible, the Deathcore influence is very prominent. If I was to say those tracks were the only one-offs I'd be wrong, but given the amount of tracks and the fact it's a Danza album means that anything coming out from these guys is going to be blessed with a Midas touch. Nothing here is worth skipping even though it's not in reality "full blown on-set mathfuckingcore".
The entirety of TDTE is impossible to ignore when talking about Mathcore or a single TDTE album like Danza IIII. The best part of Danza is how much they change every single album and what type of direction they go for. I love every single Danza album with a passion. It's truly some of the best technically heavy music out there along with projects like WhenKnivesGoSkyward which the guitarist Joshua Travis was in along with the band the vocalist from Knives's band Frontierer which is basically a cross between Danza 3, Knives, and calculating infinity by Dillinger.
Great video! I bit sad you didn´t mention American Nervoso though.
6:48 absolutely right xdd i showed to my best friend the album, he never heard nothing about something called "mathcore" (me neither) so when he listened he hated the voice, and he not understood the music, 1 year later he is fan of DEP and mathcore and math rock genres (he presented to me "Don caballero" what a project dude, brilliant)
Mate, seems like I have to check out that Tony Danze record! Enjoyed the video very much, your vocabulary never seizes to amaze me. Would you think about doing a 5 Albums to Get You Into SLUDGE METAL video? I would love to see your perspective on that genre, or if you have listened to any of it before!
Fantano has already done a similar video, so it would be a little unnecessary. Its better to cover another new genre
palm boy69 Hence why I asked for Oliver’s perspective! I disagreed with some of the points in Anthony’s video.
albert same most of the bands he did were post metal and not sludge
@@somebodyoncetoldme9978 Post metal is just more atmospheric sludge metal.
@SinnedNogara that what I'm saying it's just to different to be for a sludge starter pack
7:03 That's How Tripods Work by Oktober Skyline is another mathcore album with a fucking relentlessly brutal intro.
Awesome album, awesome band, worth checking out if you like mathcore.
Thank you for this video! I was aware of all of these bands besides Car Bomb, however, I had never done a deep dive on most of them. After watching this video I spent my work shift listening to all 5 albums and it was absolutely crushing. Thank you!
So never heard of car bomb?!? Can't wait to give them a listen!! I agree with the rest of the lineup. Never cared Converge but can respect the role the be played in the metalcore scene. But hey quick question I always considered (The End "Elementary) and (The Human Abstract "Midheaven) mathcore... But now you have me doubting it. Where would you place them?!? I've looked for similar bands countless times to no avail. Quite problematic when you have a particular music itch that needs to be scratched.
ALSO Car Bomb wasnt influence by converge/dillinger/botch, they were A PART of the movement. they formed in 2000, not 2007
Correct, originally were formed from 2 bands. Neck and someone else
Tony Danza is one of the most underrated bands ever, if you guys want more Joshua Travis work listen to the newest Emmure album.
I like your channel because it exposes me to new albums I may not have otherwise heard of. Thanks!
No love for Psyopus, eh?
And or Ion Dissonance... Thank you for pointing out Psyopus though. Much love there.
Car Bomb released 2 more albums, and they are perfection
HELL YEAH DEEP CUTS WELL DONE
Jane Doe is one of the most intense metal albums I have ever heard in my life.
I have never heard a scream so ear piercingly loud, yet emotional and pained. Never have I heard a simple drum kit become the instrument to which the soundtrack to the apocalypse would be kept in time with. Never have I heard a guitar so fast and technical, yet so effortlessly played. Never have I heard a bass guitar that rivals the guitar in terms of how intense it is. And never have I heard a record so pummeling, emotional, and at times, horrifying, yet so badass, fun, and at times very catchy.
Also, no love for Norma Jean?
I watched this video during the pandemic, within the last 3 years and then I started digging deeper into Mathcore. Well, November 17, 2023 I saw Botch, Converge and Cave In at Roadrunner in Boston and it was an incredible night for music. I'd see Botch again if given the chance and that was my third time seeing Converge and Cave In. Wish I got into this scene earlier on but it's great to discover now.
Converge can "Get You into Mathcore", so it qualifies.
Rock and Roll Killing Machine (2000, Revelation) by Drowningman
drowning man were sick
HOLY FUCK YOU TALKED ABOUT CENTRALIA????? It's literally my FAVORITE album, thank you SO MUCH. As soon as I heard Centralia, I was hooked.
A guide to Miles Davis please!
sun ra tho
Charlie Mingus
>deep cuts
>1st, 3rd, and 4th highest rated mathcore albums on rym
kidding, love you
Ben LeVasseur u right tho
well in a world where if someone said mathcore people would starting yelling periphery or some shit, it doesn't hurt to pull out the juggernauts of days past haha
If you want some deeper cuts, check out Germany's War From A Harlots Mouth. While their discography is getting darker and less jazzy as time progressed due to a vocalist change, their debut LP Transmetropolitan is hard-hitting mathcore with insane drumming. I might prefer their sophomore release In Shoals for the pressing atmosphere, but Transmet and their demo EP are wayyyyy more demented and full of great rhythms and untriggered live drums.
Jane doe rules, I think Axe to Fall is ultimately my fav Converge. Ah but You Fail Me too. It's all so good
Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics
Ion Dissonance - Cast the First Stone
Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion
Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance
Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum
Lye By Mistake - Fea Jur
Septa - Destroyer
Facing The Swarm Thought - Bridges
Frontierer - Unloved
Tears Before - Reversal
The End - Elementary
Holy shit guy, I found the tony Danza tapdance extravaganza when I was like 11 years old and have never fucking forgotten about them, they had a massive impact upon me. crazy to see them actually being recognised, I thought they where suuuper obscure
Everyone knows how much I love Car Bomb.
Car Bomb
Just found your channel. Its excellent.
My old band opened for These Arms Are Snakes at the Southampton Joiners way back. Meeting Brian Cook is the most starstruck I've ever been.
Hey Oli, what's your favorite Dillinger album? Or second if calculating infinity in #1
he put ire works in his 10 favourite records video so...
Calculating infinity is such a brutal record.
Also, Dave Knudsen is amazing, his work on Minus the bear is neat too.
Great video man.. such a wealth of information on some great bands and albums.. thank you
still waiting on 5 albums to get you into canterbury scene, lol. calculating infinity was THE album that got me into fast metal before that i only had heard doom stuff. ill never be able to replicate that feeling of having my mind being blown almost like a shotgun blast to my head the first time i heard the first couple tracks off of it. i also feel like ill never be able to replicate that feeling of pure unadulterated intensity that I felt at first
Your outro is so badass man. Also, nice as hell list, I gotta check out Botch asap.
Yo I just found your channel. Love how eloquent and passionately you describe music
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (feat. Mike Patton); Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance; Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics; YOG - Half The Sky; Ion Dissonance - Solace; Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum; Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion; Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends
I would recommend number 12 looks like you over a couple of these, but this is a pretty good variety.
Great list but I have to add my personal favorite: The Locust and their album Plauge Soundscapes. Math core is beautiful ❤
Amazing video man. The only thing I would argue is that I think Danza 3 is much more deserving than 4
I discovered Mathcore through a friend of mine, who showed me Car Bomb probably about two months ago, and even though I didn't really know what i was listening to, I was absorbed with it. Thanks for assembling this list! Now I have a much more varied pallet for this style of music, and I've found that this is the culmination of what was started with the punk movement in the 70s. It challenges everything that I thought music needed, and sticks the landing
abe the cop and the mullet burden back in 98/99 blew my mind...been a fun ride
Coalesce
YOU CANT KILL US ALL!!!
great video and very nice picks. personally i would have put skullgrid by behold the arctopus in there
1. DEADGUY
2. COALESCE
3. BOTCH
4. CONVERGE
5. THE D.E.P.
Fantastic video, I have always wanted to get into Mathcore and this is a great jumping off point. I think an awesome guide video would be a guide to The Mountain Goats. With such an expansive and varied back catalogue of music from the absurd mind John Darnielle, I think it would be an incredible watch.
i get why people say converge are more metalcore but they are definitely also mathcore, especially since they were one of the earliest hardcore bands to start putting in that more technical and dissonant sound into their music
Who the hell would disagree with putting Converge on the mathcore bands list? Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan and Botch are mathcore's holy trinity.
I'd throw in Today is the Day's Temple of the Morning Star which is just as powerful as Jane Doe...
All of TITD's records fucking kill.
One of my favorite albums in the genre is Gaza's "I Don't Care Where I Go When I Die"...One of the most angry albums I've ever listened to.