Picking Your First Mouthpiece Upgrade - Trombone, Bass Trombone & Euphonium
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Mitchell explains the differences between trombone, bass trombone, and euphonium mouthpieces and recommends what your first upgrade should be.
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In the 8th grade, my parents bought me a refurbished small bore tenor trombone with an f-attachment. My private lesson instructor upgraded me from a Bach 12C to a Schilke 51D. I loved it and even used it with the small bore baritone I played in HS. After my freshman year, I became a low brass specialist and switched between bass trombone, tuba, euphonium, and baritone (sometimes during the same concert!). I miss those days. I haven't picked up a brass instrument in over 10 years. I hope to get back into it some day.
Why wait? What’s stopping you from starting up again?
that's the mouthpiece I've been using ever since 7th grade! 😅👍🏻
@@optiTHOMAS might be time to upgrade
Is the Schilke 51D harder to play high registers than the 12c?
This was a wonderful video! I'm a little bit outside of the target demographic of it but I figured I'd tune in to see what the common insights are. The one thing that might have been worth adding on is a section for jazz trombone mouthpieces. Things like the Bach 5GS, 6-3/4C, 7C, or 7; Wick 7CS or 10CS. I find it's important to differentiate tone quality in jazz versus classical trombone playing to a pretty great extent, and that high school kids shouldn't feel forced to produce a 'jazz sound' on a 5G because that's what their director recommended for classical playing.
Awesome video!! This helped me so much deciding for my first mouthpiece upgrade as someone doubling with tenor and bass bone. Thank you!
@Milano Music - can I offer a suggestion? This video (like so many others on the same topic) makes the assumption that, if you're a learner, you must be a child. Reality is that many people take up playing an instrument when fully grown, middle aged - or in my case, I started playing baritone horn at the age of 68. So could you add in some advice for people whose faces aren't going to grow, and whose ability to blow will weaken rather than strengthen, as time goes on?
Thank you!
Hi Jack, that’s a very good point that I didn’t mention. My suggestion then would be something like a Bach 5GS, with the 5 rim size, but the tighter throat of a 6.5AL. With euphonium, I’m not a huge fan of anything much smaller than that. On bass trombone, a 2G is totally okay, and can offer more support than the really big stuff. On small bore tenor, players have been rocking with 11C’s for decades. Large tenor, that 5GS, a 6.5A (more open throat than standard 6.5AL), or one of the more specialty manufacturers with a comparable rim size, but either with a slightly tighter throat/backbore and/or shallower cup. Hope that helps!
Great video! I needed this advice
I never knew there were different types of mouthpieces
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I didn't watch this video before I bought my advance mouthpieces. After doing all the research, I can compare my experience with this video. This vid is extremely accurate and informative. A must watch for all! ❤
Ooo i recognized the background music it s from the STS trombone lineup performing elsas precession to the cathedral
very helpful and straight to the point much appreciated
Thank you very much for the invaluable information and for sharing. It helped me a lot !!! Many thanks.
Schilke 51 (25.63 mm) is a good compromise between the Bach 5G (25.50 mm) and Denis Wick 5AL (25.73 mm).
For those looking for new mouthpieces, it’s good to take advice and listen to different ideas but always remember that your sound is different than anyone else’s, so just check out a lot of different mouthpieces to know what fits you best
A bit hard for me. Pretty strapped for cash and no nearby stores to try out. I think I’ll do a safe and once, with money, buy myself a 51D or 4AL
I use a Bach 5GS on all my trombones, and euphonium. I think I'll try the Shilke 51D on euphonium, and see what I think. Thanks for the advice.
By the way, that's a fine arrangement of "Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral" playing in the background. Playing Lucien Cailliet's arrangement in concert band is one of my best memories from high school.
I always had my trombone and euphonium students start on a Bach 12C. As they advanced, I would recommend the Bach 7C for trombone and the Bach 6.5AL for euphonium. As for those going to bass trombone, I would always suggest they start with a Bach 3G (I didn't want them to fall into the dark hole of "all low range" before developing their complete range). After that, it becomes (I feel) a mostly personal preference. BTW, in all my years of "professional" all-around playing, I used a Bach 1.5G for bass trombone, a Bach 7C for tenor trombone, and a Bach 6.5AL for euphonium.
I double bass trombone in my high school jazz band while playing tuba in concert. I was thinking of buying a Bach 1G but I’m not sure if it’ll be too big. What’s your opinion?
@@djhaynes136 Mouthpieces that are around the size of the Bach 1G (and bigger) are sought after by many symphony bass trombonists these days. But jazz band is not a symphony orchestra. Tenor trombones in jazz are not as huge in bore size and usually use smaller mouthpieces than their symphony brothers and sisters. With this in mind, although the bass trombone bore size is about the same for jazz and symphonic players, the bass trombone in jazz is called upon to spend more time above the staff. The larger the mouthpiece, the more effort to play higher notes and to stay up there for a gig. What size mouthpiece are you using right now for bass trombone?
With you being a tuba player, a 1G may be OK...at least you're used to a bigger mouthpiece. I had a tuba playing friend that played jazz bass trombone with a Schilke 59 (a little bigger than a Bach 1G) he was happy with it. I wouldn't go any smaller than a 1.5G.
Started with a 6.5, spent most of my time on a 5G, now I play both tenor and bass on a 1.5G
Very helpful video. Thank you.
I'm using a Bach 5G mouthpiece on my Bass Trombone, and I am trying to find one that makes it easier to switch from pedal tones to non-pedal tones.
Hey, please reply I’m a euphonium player and I like the 51d you recommended but i kinda want one with a deeper cup for a reasonable price
Ive been playing the 6 1/2 G for five years, is it time to switch?
I am switching from a medium-bore french horn and hope to obtain a Conn 88HNV trombone (large bore). Most of the music I will be playing will be in the jazz/swing and concert band genres. What would be the best style of mouthpiece to research, eg funnel-shaped with a narrow rim (similar to the french horn) or cup-shaped with a wider rim? I am in my early 70s and played french horn for about 30 years.
Elsa’s procession to the cathedral in the background music?
Good video. What is the horn with the copper bell on wall behind you on the left side of the screen?
What’s very confusing is the lack of standardized nomenclature.
hi, how about Brian Bowman BB1BT? should i choose that or the SM3
where does the 12c bach come in at
It is slightly smaller than the 11C and is also a standard size for beginning trombonists/euph players.
This is particularly wrong/bad advice if your goals in music are jazz! If North Texas University, or The Berklee School of Music are on your radar, the advice in this video will ruin your chops before you start. Professional trombonist, 66 years including 25 years in US Army Bands. Paying gigs, the ones available locally wherever you intend to live are overwhelmingly jazz, pop, rock oriented. Small bore horns. Bill Watrous played a 7½ C Bach, Carl Fontana, 11C Bach, Urbie Green, 11C, then a Jetone about the same size. Time for a joke! “A new mouthpiece solves all my playing problems for 6 months. That’s why I buy a new one every five.” If you want to be a school band director, it doesn’t matter what horn or mouthpiece you play, but it is an honorable way to make a living. Best of luck.
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I thought Bill Watrous played something in the 11C sorta realm?
Wow! You are so knowledgeable you should make a video about mouthpieces
I play tuba, but for Jazz band i’m starting on valve trombone. Do you have any recommendations for a mouthpiece if I’m used to a large rim?
Denis Wick 4BS
Is a big mouthpiece
Do you think getting a denis wick heritage is a good upgrade
00AL is the rating
Nvm it’s 5al
There is no upgrade. Only adjusting exists. Mouthpieces have no faults. Only player does have.
as helpful as this video is.....it has confused the crap out of me!!! maybe i should just forget it and stick with what i have!