He was wrong.There is no way it jumps from 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds with launch control.It certainly has to be under 4 seconds,considering Car and Driver has recorded a time as fast as 3.7 seconds.
MOTORWEEK: Around 3:51 you state that the M5 has no dedicated park. In fact, it does, with all of the DCTs in the M cars, all you do is turn the ignition off while in drive and the car will put itself in park. You can sort of think of it like a manual transmission, except with these, the car operates the clutch for you. I work at a BMW dealership.
It’s great you work for BMW AS a LEVEL 1 Technician for 18 yrs you hear what customers are saying it appears you had no contact the customers as this has come up a lot and you totally missed the point yes we all know if you turn off the car it automatically goes into park what people are looking for on the M5 DCT the lever to have a park position, some people are not ready for that change or do they like the E-park button. As a representative of BMW YOU need to adjust to people and there preferences and show the positive not your negatives I would love to talk with your GM what Dealership your at again ?
@ Turbo S. I think William was just trying to help no need for your sarcastic and condescending comment! Maybe we need to contact your supervisor and tell him how cynical and condescending you are. What alley did you crawl out of?? What an A hole. Just what we need more of in this society.
There are a lot of variables to consider here, from the temperature and type of the asphalt, to the fact that this M5 may have been brand new and the brake pads and rotors may not have been fully broken in yet. The type and condition of the tyres also matters a lot.
Probably because they weighed a bit less than this one, and maybe the older M5s had brakes that were tuned for more initial bite vs track brakes where they dont overheat as much with repeated hard stops.
I am glad I bought a REAL ///M car. The E39 M5. All manufacturers cannot compete with design driveability and raw power as the Germans did with the E39 M5. You guys enjoy your newer fancy LED cars with touch screen this and info tainment that.
If you knew anything about cars, or certainly at least anything about the M5, you'd understand that the manual gearbox in this car is the same unit you got in an E60 545i and 550i 9 years ago. It's old, geared for economy not performance and never designed to be installed in this car. Therefore it's utterly unsuitable and a massive fly in the ointment. So you're not getting "the max" at all. Key words, "the past", this is not the 1990s anymore. BMW's DCT box is world class.
I own one @127k. Runs better than new. If you can keep up with regular maintenance including oil changes every three to five thousand miles the BMW engine is indestructible.
Lol, MT & C&D had both 0-60 in 3.7s, 1/4 mile in 11.8s, both also got the E60 0-60 in 4.1s & 12.3 in the 1/4, seems like motorweek's drivers aren't as good...
Gordon Liddy great value ! I just found one for $39000 USD last August. Only 17500 miles no accidents ! Car is mint and it out performs a ton of vehicles that you can buy new for that same price hands down . Plus even if you drive it to the ground , you won’t lose much more when you go to resell it !
You can't really be serious comparing the two (three) cars based on 10'ths slower in the 1/4 and ask what you're paying for??? I.e. SRT8 on Nurburgring ... 8:49 ... M5 : 7:54 ... that tell you what you pay for ... yes, if you like American styling, can't tell plastic from high-end leather interior (or don't like the look) and all you focus on is 0-60 ... M5 is not the car for you ... get the WRX ... cheaper and faster than SRT8 ...
Disappointed that there's no dedicated Park position on the shifter? Maybe you didn't notice that it isn't an automatic? :S And anyway, just man up and get the manual.
I won't listen to when i have talked to many mechanics and they said that no matter how good or bad the gearbox is, the manual is the best option. The auto is good just for city driving.
This isn't 2002 and nor is the "automatic" anything like the box you get in a pickup truck and has completely outclassed the manual relic that's an option for this car. You ought to try them out before commenting but I'm sure you have no interest in that because you want to look big and clever on a forum when you actually look ridiculous.
You guys sound like high school kids I have 2014 M5 comp pkg. I’ve driven both manual and DCT the manual was fun at first but the DCT was just as fun but the better of the two you would know this if you ever owned one and if you actually owned one you would not be here acting like immature little boys
KEVIN MANSFIELD hey man what’s up, any issues with the car? I’m gonna look at 2015 competition package blue really nice this week, I don’t know much about bmw I always been a Lexus guy lol I owned high horse power cars I currently own an mkiv Toyota Supra 600hp i’m pretty knowledgeable with cars,but I always heard so many negative stuff about The m5 not performance wise just mechanically, like the previous V 10 one I really like the car, but on this v8 twin turbo engine I been researching I’m seeing very good reviews on it, any tips you could give me I would appreciate it thanks man
KEVIN MANSFIELD Exactly, if they owned one, they would not be here. If they like manuals, they wouldn't be watching a film about the M5, you're right. BMW no longer makes anything like purist drivers' cars bigger than the M2, they make everyday luxury and autobahn barges - hence the lack of a manual. For talented drivers who like to pootle to the track and have fun in performance toys, a Caterham, Nomad or Porsche is the best bet. Otherwise, enough grunt to get up to speed is all road users really need. Well said.
I seriously cannot stand how you guys talk all over the videos. Nobody in the world cares to hear you rattle off all those stats that they can read on their own. They watch video "with sound" to hear the car. That's what you can't get from a magazine or a blog. If you want to talk for six minutes straight just do it on a different video, it absolutely ruins the experience of watching a video of a CAR. Might as well put music over the video too.
I've driven a 1995 manual gearbox and it shifts just fine of course a 2013 manual would be great but i would give everything just not to have a semi-auto...Just man up.
You've just given the game away. Most mechanics will say manuals are better than semi autos because there's typically less to go wrong. But until double clutch boxes came along the semi autos in question (not full autos like you get in family cars and trucks for the 4th time) were MUCH worse in town. They were only in their element when going up and down gears at speed. I've worked in BMW aftersales since I was 17. You've just proven you don't know what you're talking about.
Why don't you read anything I post? The fact you've said all that shows you are completely clueless. Never judge cars on paper. It's not a question of manual vs semi auto, it's a question of what is the better box for each car. The manual box available on the M5 (only in USA) is an old relic from the E60 5 Series. The F10 M5 was designed from the ground up to use the DCT box which is light years ahead of any run of the mill auto in a family car or truck like you're referring to.
Gtr might be faster but it is not liveable as this does not got as much room and gtr cost as much just look it up once the taxes fuel guzzer add gtr can be as much you might be faster but I can load my kids there gear and go on vaction in comfort you not as much
No more faster than a electric American car, not to mention this car is plain, only thing i see that is fancy is the million way adjustable seats and some window shades. BMW's have always have the same boring interiors imo.
Since when has England been America? When you're in a hole, stop digging. 3 things are perfectly clear: You don't know anything about cars, you don't drive and you can't read. If the gearbox is bad it doesn't matter who or what changes gear. In the case of the M5 - the DCT box is the one. Driving proves this. The manual is a cheap fix afterthought lifted from a 9 year old E60 SE, not an M division model. My M3 is a manual but I don't go round bragging about it because I know how good DCT is.
It's the same story every time I challenge someone to a belief that they don't even understand. You get an idea and then just try and bullshit the rest to the death and trip over yourself. There's even a video of someone in an M5 somewhere telling you not to buy the manual because the gearbox is crap. The M5 was designed to use DCT. For some reason America demanded a manual version so they botched one together. BMW know it won't sell and don't market it anywhere else…because it's shite.
At the risk of repeating myself again I'll explain this 1 last time. You're just trying to show off and don't realise you're making a fool out of yourself over something you blatantly don't understand. It depends entirely on the quality of the box and the character of the car. In the case of the F10 M5 a manual is wrong. It's an old, badly geared relic from the E60 545i & 550i. It's not suitable for a performance car. It's an afterthought and a cheap fix for the US market. It spoils the car.
Automatic on every car is shit and more for women manual is the gearbox that is gonna let your BMW or every car in the world go as fast as it can. You know that the automatic is more unstable and with the manual you are supported very well even if the manual on the M5 is very good. Your just a lazy old guy. Man up and ride a good ride :D
Dude you sound like an idiot and an utter asshole!!! Yes a manual can be more fun in CERTAIN cars. However to say the manual Is the fastest way is JUST PLAIN WRONG!!! Autos and DCT's are MUCH faster these days. Even faster than the BEST drivers in the world. Try to change gear in less than a hundredth of a second. You CAN'T!!! So get over yourself troll.....
I understand that preaching the gospel of the manual gearbox on the internet makes you feel like a superstar but the manual gearbox fitted to this is junk and not worthy of any performance car. You should get out more.
At the risk of repeating myself again I'll explain this 1 last time. No matter the gearbox, the manual is the better choice of all. Ask anyone in Europe. Let me tell it like this - your food in the US is shit and not real, but you still enjoy it. Just shut up. I'm not making a fool of myself, i'm just telling the truth and you are arguing about nothing :)
OMG How can you stand listening to that over commercialized voice??? Swallowed some vomit within 2 min. Awsm car though, never had a chance to try the new M5 out, and I´d prolly prefer the RS6 or even M550d really. In the hunt for a performance ride it´s not it anyway. Porsche 991 - yes, M3/M4 - probably, M5 - bit to heavy and autobahn, and in that context it lacks both storage, AWD and comfort compared to the rest of the pack. Non the less, awesome car. And prolly a lot more fun than the alternatives I listed (but still not fun enough, haha).
American... You know nothing about cars. How would you like to get the max of the engine on the M5 ???? With the manual of course. The automatic is stupid and i know because my family has run through alot of auto cars in the past and nothing pleases them as the manual and semi-manual :)
Yet another great no BS review, John. Been a fan of yours and MW for the better part of 20 years.
I still own my beautiful M5 F10 with just 33500 miles run since 2013 and I love it forever
Has it been reliable and no engine/turbo issues?
One of the slowest posted times for this car. Generally close to 3.6 0-60 and 11.7 @123mph.
This guy's got the perfect voice for this kind of show.
John Davis has a perfect voice for a car host
It's 2022 and John Davis is still at it and looks the same. Beginning to think that he's a vampire.
He was wrong.There is no way it jumps from 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds with launch control.It certainly has to be under 4 seconds,considering Car and Driver has recorded a time as fast as 3.7 seconds.
MOTORWEEK:
Around 3:51 you state that the M5 has no dedicated park. In fact, it does, with all of the DCTs in the M cars, all you do is turn the ignition off while in drive and the car will put itself in park. You can sort of think of it like a manual transmission, except with these, the car operates the clutch for you. I work at a BMW dealership.
It’s great you work for BMW AS a LEVEL 1 Technician for 18 yrs you hear what customers are saying it appears you had no contact the customers as this has come up a lot and you totally missed the point yes we all know if you turn off the car it automatically goes into park what people are looking for on the M5 DCT the lever to have a park position, some people are not ready for that change or do they like the E-park button. As a representative of BMW YOU need to adjust to people and there preferences and show the positive not your negatives I would love to talk with your GM what Dealership your at again ?
I call bullshit
William Bartlett Well said sir,
what the fuck are you talking about?
@ Turbo S. I think William was just trying to help no need for your sarcastic and condescending comment! Maybe we need to contact your supervisor and tell him how cynical and condescending you are. What alley did you crawl out of?? What an A hole. Just what we need more of in this society.
Interestilgly the 1994 840i and the 2000 E39 M5 both had better brakes from 60mph to 0, 98 feet and 95 feet respectively.
There are a lot of variables to consider here, from the temperature and type of the asphalt, to the fact that this M5 may have been brand new and the brake pads and rotors may not have been fully broken in yet. The type and condition of the tyres also matters a lot.
Probably because they weighed a bit less than this one, and maybe the older M5s had brakes that were tuned for more initial bite vs track brakes where they dont overheat as much with repeated hard stops.
@@theodor12well the 90s rubber was no doubt shit. But the other stuff is possible
John Davis has a trademark voice !
Beautiful vehicle!
You're here for 2:50
No; I'm actually here for 6:05.
I am glad I bought a REAL ///M car. The E39 M5. All manufacturers cannot compete with design driveability and raw power as the Germans did with the E39 M5. You guys enjoy your newer fancy LED cars with touch screen this and info tainment that.
4.1 seconds to 60 is what the manual f10 m5 does. the DCT is 3.7 sec.
If you knew anything about cars, or certainly at least anything about the M5, you'd understand that the manual gearbox in this car is the same unit you got in an E60 545i and 550i 9 years ago. It's old, geared for economy not performance and never designed to be installed in this car. Therefore it's utterly unsuitable and a massive fly in the ointment. So you're not getting "the max" at all.
Key words, "the past", this is not the 1990s anymore. BMW's DCT box is world class.
I like how you showed a rc model car in the trunk.
Just got one of these at the dealership I work at. Upgraded turbos and exhaust and the thing rips!
"most powerful M5 yet" like its surprising
E39's still the best one though
is it true the v10 was a trouble box and would basically self destruct after 100k? that's according to Hoovies
Yeah, the E60 was really unreliable. This F10 is better though.
wrong
I own one @127k. Runs better than new. If you can keep up with regular maintenance including oil changes every three to five thousand miles the BMW engine is indestructible.
Lol, MT & C&D had both 0-60 in 3.7s, 1/4 mile in 11.8s, both also got the E60 0-60 in 4.1s & 12.3 in the 1/4, seems like motorweek's drivers aren't as good...
7 years, yet the m5 f10 still is the best in the world
its crazy how these cars are only in the $50k range now
Gordon Liddy massive depreciation goes for the AMG and RS divisions of Mercedes and Audi as well
Gordon Liddy great value ! I just found one for $39000 USD last August. Only 17500 miles no accidents ! Car is mint and it out performs a ton of vehicles that you can buy new for that same price hands down . Plus even if you drive it to the ground , you won’t lose much more when you go to resell it !
@@matthewdorosti5018 put aside $20k for repairs
Andy Lee 2 years later , perfectly running love it .
Not even 50k I’ve seen a couple of these bad boys on the market for 28k
The most beautifll, elegant, monster looking M ever made, but the most old school engine! where thr V10??!!
I live my f10 m5, manual transmission included!
You can't really be serious comparing the two (three) cars based on 10'ths slower in the 1/4 and ask what you're paying for???
I.e. SRT8 on Nurburgring ... 8:49 ... M5 : 7:54 ... that tell you what you pay for ... yes, if you like American styling, can't tell plastic from high-end leather interior (or don't like the look) and all you focus on is 0-60 ... M5 is not the car for you ... get the WRX ... cheaper and faster than SRT8 ...
John why is your son wearing a helmet and your cameraman isn't? Great review John as per usual.
Disappointed that there's no dedicated Park position on the shifter? Maybe you didn't notice that it isn't an automatic? :S
And anyway, just man up and get the manual.
Do You Have The Retro Review For The BMW E34 M5 ?
I won't listen to when i have talked to many mechanics and they said that no matter how good or bad the gearbox is, the manual is the best option. The auto is good just for city driving.
let me guees, you want it to have a big quad wing and flames on the side?
This isn't 2002 and nor is the "automatic" anything like the box you get in a pickup truck and has completely outclassed the manual relic that's an option for this car. You ought to try them out before commenting but I'm sure you have no interest in that because you want to look big and clever on a forum when you actually look ridiculous.
Thank you.
im fine with v8 tt in m5 but they should leave the v10 5L for m6
BMW always has good mpg
6 piston clappers???
love bmws
Flames
i get 24-26 highway and 12 city
at this age and time you cant upload hd videos.
"ZOOM ZOOM" -- Camera-man
You guys sound like high school kids I have 2014 M5 comp pkg. I’ve driven both manual and DCT the manual was fun at first but the DCT was just as fun but the better of the two you would know this if you ever owned one and if you actually owned one you would not be here acting like immature little boys
KEVIN MANSFIELD hey man what’s up, any issues with the car? I’m gonna look at 2015 competition package blue really nice this week, I don’t know much about bmw I always been a Lexus guy lol I owned high horse power cars I currently own an mkiv Toyota Supra 600hp i’m pretty knowledgeable with cars,but I always heard so many negative stuff about The m5 not performance wise just mechanically, like the previous V 10 one I really like the car, but on this v8 twin turbo engine I been researching I’m seeing very good reviews on it, any tips you could give me I would appreciate it thanks man
KEVIN MANSFIELD Exactly, if they owned one, they would not be here. If they like manuals, they wouldn't be watching a film about the M5, you're right. BMW no longer makes anything like purist drivers' cars bigger than the M2, they make everyday luxury and autobahn barges - hence the lack of a manual. For talented drivers who like to pootle to the track and have fun in performance toys, a Caterham, Nomad or Porsche is the best bet. Otherwise, enough grunt to get up to speed is all road users really need. Well said.
I seriously cannot stand how you guys talk all over the videos. Nobody in the world cares to hear you rattle off all those stats that they can read on their own. They watch video "with sound" to hear the car. That's what you can't get from a magazine or a blog. If you want to talk for six minutes straight just do it on a different video, it absolutely ruins the experience of watching a video of a CAR. Might as well put music over the video too.
This guys voice is ridiculous. He sounds like a Wheel of Fortune MC - tell us what's behind curtain #2 Vanna.
I know you are talking about semi auto, jerk but i wanted to tell you that the manual is better than both.
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from the pavement up the car needs a complete make over inside and out.
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LIC circa 1968
GTR - best bang for buck
yeah, their numbers are always worst
ive seen the 2013 m5 get 0 to 60 times of 3.7 sec which is much faster than these guys are claiming
it has been the same for 20 years.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
Every single V8 since 2002 has had valve-guide failures, causing lots of burning oil. They all smoke.
BMW M5 vs Tesla Model S, please!
Sorry about my grammar :D
M5 the best
Would’ve been much smarter to put that $92k into the S&P in 2013.
I've driven a 1995 manual gearbox and it shifts just fine of course a 2013 manual would be great but i would give everything just not to have a semi-auto...Just man up.
You've just given the game away. Most mechanics will say manuals are better than semi autos because there's typically less to go wrong. But until double clutch boxes came along the semi autos in question (not full autos like you get in family cars and trucks for the 4th time) were MUCH worse in town. They were only in their element when going up and down gears at speed. I've worked in BMW aftersales since I was 17.
You've just proven you don't know what you're talking about.
Wrong transmission
DIFFERENT CAR.... S8 = B7, not M5
Why don't you read anything I post? The fact you've said all that shows you are completely clueless. Never judge cars on paper. It's not a question of manual vs semi auto, it's a question of what is the better box for each car. The manual box available on the M5 (only in USA) is an old relic from the E60 5 Series. The F10 M5 was designed from the ground up to use the DCT box which is light years ahead of any run of the mill auto in a family car or truck like you're referring to.
Gtr might be faster but it is not liveable as this does not got as much room and gtr cost as much just look it up once the taxes fuel guzzer add gtr can be as much you might be faster but I can load my kids there gear and go on vaction in comfort you not as much
The manual is a manual no matter of the other stuff. Also the manual is x132418561616546854151854865416 times better that the shit auto manual !!!
Not worth $100,000 plus! Id buy a gtr a smoke the shit out of the thing
thisa was the year they fFKD UP
No more faster than a electric American car, not to mention this car is plain, only thing i see that is fancy is the million way adjustable seats and some window shades. BMW's have always have the same boring interiors imo.
This is auto.
Needs AWD.
nope...lighter better.
Huh, my F10 M5 gets 11.5@121mph, stock.
Since when has England been America? When you're in a hole, stop digging.
3 things are perfectly clear: You don't know anything about cars, you don't drive and you can't read. If the gearbox is bad it doesn't matter who or what changes gear. In the case of the M5 - the DCT box is the one. Driving proves this. The manual is a cheap fix afterthought lifted from a 9 year old E60 SE, not an M division model.
My M3 is a manual but I don't go round bragging about it because I know how good DCT is.
StuRaz tell us how ya really feel
That's because BMW is German
hsv gts faster 3.8 seconds in 2013
the e60 has way more soul
It's the same story every time I challenge someone to a belief that they don't even understand. You get an idea and then just try and bullshit the rest to the death and trip over yourself. There's even a video of someone in an M5 somewhere telling you not to buy the manual because the gearbox is crap. The M5 was designed to use DCT. For some reason America demanded a manual version so they botched one together. BMW know it won't sell and don't market it anywhere else…because it's shite.
At the risk of repeating myself again I'll explain this 1 last time. You're just trying to show off and don't realise you're making a fool out of yourself over something you blatantly don't understand.
It depends entirely on the quality of the box and the character of the car. In the case of the F10 M5 a manual is wrong. It's an old, badly geared relic from the E60 545i & 550i. It's not suitable for a performance car. It's an afterthought and a cheap fix for the US market. It spoils the car.
Oh great...another "i'de buy a Gtr" comment~
Automatic on every car is shit and more for women manual is the gearbox that is gonna let your BMW or every car in the world go as fast as it can. You know that the automatic is more unstable and with the manual you are supported very well even if the manual on the M5 is very good. Your just a lazy old guy. Man up and ride a good ride :D
Dude you sound like an idiot and an utter asshole!!! Yes a manual can be more fun in CERTAIN cars. However to say the manual Is the fastest way is JUST PLAIN WRONG!!! Autos and DCT's are MUCH faster these days. Even faster than the BEST drivers in the world. Try to change gear in less than a hundredth of a second. You CAN'T!!! So get over yourself troll.....
The car is bland looking inside and out and needs a total redesign inside and out from the pavement up.
LoL this dude got some funny commentary
I understand that preaching the gospel of the manual gearbox on the internet makes you feel like a superstar but the manual gearbox fitted to this is junk and not worthy of any performance car. You should get out more.
That voice is getting annoying...
300 SRT8 or CTS-V any day over this boring looking car.
At the risk of repeating myself again I'll explain this 1 last time. No matter the gearbox, the manual is the better choice of all. Ask anyone in Europe. Let me tell it like this - your food in the US is shit and not real, but you still enjoy it. Just shut up. I'm not making a fool of myself, i'm just telling the truth and you are arguing about nothing :)
OMG
How can you stand listening to that over commercialized voice??? Swallowed some vomit within 2 min.
Awsm car though, never had a chance to try the new M5 out, and I´d prolly prefer the RS6 or even M550d really. In the hunt for a performance ride it´s not it anyway. Porsche 991 - yes, M3/M4 - probably, M5 - bit to heavy and autobahn, and in that context it lacks both storage, AWD and comfort compared to the rest of the pack.
Non the less, awesome car. And prolly a lot more fun than the alternatives I listed (but still not fun enough, haha).
Because i have spoken to mechanics i can't drive ?!?! You are drunk go home.
American... You know nothing about cars. How would you like to get the max of the engine on the M5 ???? With the manual of course. The automatic is stupid and i know because my family has run through alot of auto cars in the past and nothing pleases them as the manual and semi-manual :)