Expressive E Touche - Sonic Lab Presentation

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  • We had a visit from Expressive E - they showed us their Touche controller, which allows you to transform physical expression into MIDI CC and four channels of CV control.
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Komentáře • 138

  • @simonhmackie
    @simonhmackie Před 7 lety +35

    I should not have watched this. Now I really want one.

  • @davidlewis1787
    @davidlewis1787 Před 7 lety +9

    I have a disability in my right hand. I have always wanted an expression controller on my right when soloing a sound. Fab!

  • @jamesvoos2432
    @jamesvoos2432 Před 5 lety +10

    Just got mine today! As a guitar player, this finally introduces the kind of expressivity I am used to with the guitar!

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 Před 5 měsíci

      I think i’d prefer this to an Osmose, even.

  • @aipsong
    @aipsong Před 7 lety +10

    I bought it, and it is fabulous for my modular - real sensitive contact with timbres

  • @ivikansostudio
    @ivikansostudio Před 6 lety +2

    the guy is a master of marketing, of music theory and he knows what is doing. one of the most cool presentation i ever seen. ps. the device is game changer and pretty useful. price of 400 usd is even correct for the age we're livin' in

  • @dcashley303
    @dcashley303 Před 7 lety +13

    This and a Moog Subsequent-37 and I doubt I'd ever leave the house. Amazing.

  • @SynthgodXXX
    @SynthgodXXX Před 7 lety +21

    I love new technology & this thing is going to create a whole new era of synthesizer expression!! Super exciting!!!!

    • @NyakzOTSD
      @NyakzOTSD Před 7 lety +1

      SynthgodXXX I get the feeling this is a glossy modulation pad with extras

    • @Gamez4eveR
      @Gamez4eveR Před 7 lety

      kinda difficult to call this new technology

  • @pheotus
    @pheotus Před 7 lety +14

    kid knows his stuff. Good job to ALL.

  • @thearrayprojectmusic
    @thearrayprojectmusic Před 7 lety +1

    Very impressive device, great presentation by a modest but very talented guy. That CV gate trick with the response curves is cool.

  • @maxmartinez6430
    @maxmartinez6430 Před 7 lety +9

    This makes all your synths into a Roli Seaboard

  • @RoboticusMusic
    @RoboticusMusic Před 7 lety +4

    Funny, I was just looking for an XY MIDI foot controller kind of like what the Zoom guitar multi-effect foot pedal has. I realized if I used an XY or even XYZ MIDI gyro controller Velcro'ed to my foot I could achieve the same effect sort of. Then this video showed up, literally uploaded a few hours after my brainstorm. I could probably adapt this to be a foot controller, but I think it would be great if they created an XYZ foot controller that was optimized for that purpose, as this looks like it's best for hands.

  • @Edwardball
    @Edwardball Před 7 lety +2

    I just get the feeling this is a game changer for expressively playing any synth. Amazing amount of customisation and I know there are people knocking that the software is Mac only but I'm sure they will develop out for other platforms. This is a massive undertaking to get everything sorted for things like this at launch, software synths, hardware synths and CV! They sound like they are still developing hard for it so that's good enough​ for me. I want one! Going to see what damage it can do on my Vostock and Erabus!

  • @chebtamer
    @chebtamer Před rokem

    This video will never be an old one for me!
    It’s full of awesomeness ❤

  • @LesterBrunt
    @LesterBrunt Před 4 lety +14

    After years of music production buying all sorts of gear I have found out that expressiveness is the most lacking in almost all electronic music compared to acoustic instruments. It doesn’t matter if you have a 3,000 dollar synth with 5,000 dollars worth of plugins if you only have note on note off articulations, maybe some lfo on the pitch or cutoff.
    That just doesn’t compare to for instance a violin. The amount of articulations there are for 1 note is massive. Short, scratchy, short and stratchy, very short, plucked by the left or right hand, thick, thin, tremolo, wide or narrow vibrato, warm, thin, soft, loud, short or long glide, no glide, legato, and lots more that I don’t even know. And a good player can switch between all these techniques between the notes and even during the notes.
    You can do all this with automation but to me that is such an unpractical and tedious way of making music. That is like 2 hours of drawing lines with a mouse to get the same thing you can do in 30 seconds on a real instrument. I can do a drum track on a real kits in 1 take and it will have incredible nuances in the loudness, the balance, how it progresses over time. Like when you are deep in the pocket you are making all kinds of lines with incredibly subtle ghost notes, subtle accents, locking with the bass, playing with micro timing, etc. To make a midi drum track and draw out all those velocities would take you days.
    Something like the touche really fills that gap. Wind controllers are also amazing. Even some crappy init patch will sound good with the right articulations. Articulations is where it is at.

  • @XMetalChefX
    @XMetalChefX Před 5 lety +3

    I'm a metal guitar player and my jaw dropped when I saw the video and for this and a violin

  • @janminor1172
    @janminor1172 Před 7 lety +1

    I am not a keyboard player and for sure won't be able to use this convincingly, but the thing is quite fascinating and I somehow like to have it anyway... I guess you have to practice some time to make really good use of it.

  • @beefdlo
    @beefdlo Před 7 lety +4

    I might get one after they've implemented all the stuff that he says they're working on...

  • @analog_
    @analog_ Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing! Bought on sight! 🔥

  • @dennisristow2102
    @dennisristow2102 Před 7 lety +3

    I think I've found my newest Christmas wish item. I love my Seaboard Rise 49, and pairing that with this, would just be perfect. Coming from a violin background, I can really imagine the expressive control over an orchestra patch on a synth. Overblown brass, screeching violin stings to soft smooth sweeps and choppy string bouncing. I've heard some great sample library string and brass sounds and expressive examples but thought they would be difficult to perform. This really looks like the missing link to physically controlling the sound timbre above and beyond a piano keyboard. Sure expression pedals and mod wheels are great, but it's all about the physical feedback a controller gives you. You could open a filter with a pedal while adding a mod wheel vibrato, sure. But that's 2 limbs and for anyone who's played drums can tell you, limb independence takes time and practice. You can control pressure, X and Y movements with just one hand. I'm also really impressed with the level of personal resistance adjustment you can make by taking the top off the controller.

  • @thestinkyweasel6297
    @thestinkyweasel6297 Před 7 lety +1

    I can't like this enough. Wow, bravo!

  • @MiguelBatalha
    @MiguelBatalha Před 6 lety +14

    I'm going to play this with my foot.

    • @pellewaldemarson
      @pellewaldemarson Před 4 lety +1

      How's it working out playing with the foot? Thinking of buying it, and that's really the way I wanna use it aswell.

    • @mmhcreates
      @mmhcreates Před 4 lety

      That's what i thought to

    • @roccoharris
      @roccoharris Před 3 lety +1

      but can one play it with one's miiiiyeeend...?!?

    • @mmhcreates
      @mmhcreates Před 3 lety +1

      @@roccoharris yes the Mind controls the bodeeeeey..

  • @hakonsoreide
    @hakonsoreide Před 2 lety

    I've been using a Linnstrument over the last few years, which is great, but there are aspects of how this works that makes me think a Touché would suit my style better, together with a normal MIDI keyboard. An Osmose would have been ideal, but that's definitely out of my budget range.

  • @kcdakrt
    @kcdakrt Před 7 lety +3

    Sonicstate always reppin that minilogue :)

  • @Kolinu2
    @Kolinu2 Před 7 lety

    Great piece of gear. Very impressive.

  • @blackasthesky
    @blackasthesky Před měsícem

    Very cool!

  • @synriser6742
    @synriser6742 Před 7 lety +3

    This is an amazing and complex technology! Great device. I think this will change live performance. I Love when people invent new instruments that really make a difference.

  • @japolloproductions1
    @japolloproductions1 Před 6 lety

    This is very informative, and a game changer. Thank you

  • @martennilsson7166
    @martennilsson7166 Před 7 lety +3

    I hope you soon will be releasing the app for windows, then I really would consider buying it.

    • @kamesanj0
      @kamesanj0 Před 7 lety +1

      Same here. Can't add this to my Christmas list yet lol.

  • @aipsong
    @aipsong Před 7 lety

    incredibly informative - thanks so much

  • @Massimo898
    @Massimo898 Před rokem +1

    hey guys, can now the pedal receiv Program change messages? thanks

  •  Před 7 lety

    Can't wait too get mine 🙂

  • @mCKENIC
    @mCKENIC Před 7 lety +2

    Been jonesing for this since the NAMM announcement. Hoping to use it for Eurorack, standalone HW and AU plugins. Please, please, please make the software work with 10.8 (or even Windows 10). I'd really like to try Lié too. I'd already be playing with one by now if it did! Thanks Nick & thanks Arthur!

  • @wildaudiosociety
    @wildaudiosociety Před 6 lety +1

    you didn't touch ;-) on the max for live plugin?!? oh well, I'm sold. Just order one in a open box sale :-) I could see myself getting a second one.

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 Před 7 lety +11

    Edit: The software is now available for Windows 10 :)
    Original: macOS only for the required Lié software. Seems pretty arbitrary given that it is available in VST format, can only host VSTi, and was demonstrated in a cross-platform DAW. Bummer. I was seriously considering getting one. (I found out it was Mac-only when I went to the order page on the Touché site.)
    One more strike against hardware that requires software to fully function.

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 7 lety +4

      Hmm, sorry i didnt ask that particular question. My bad.

    • @northerntao
      @northerntao Před 7 lety +3

      That is very disappointing.

    • @roy_funk
      @roy_funk Před 7 lety +1

      Same here

    • @CrazyAboutVinylRecords
      @CrazyAboutVinylRecords Před 6 lety

      Mac only is a deal breaker for me.

    • @brunzmeflugen
      @brunzmeflugen Před 6 lety +1

      Judging from the website, they now provide a download of Lié for Windows.

  • @bobrobertson9547
    @bobrobertson9547 Před rokem

    @ 8 mins in there is a list of what looks like compatible instruments. If your Instrument isn’t on the list of compliant synths, does it simply not work and do we have to rely on Expressive doing further software updates? Sounds like I need to check first if my hardware is listed before I buy one? Update: my synths are not on the template list. Aah well. I like the product but I wouldn’t build my studio hardware around it.

  • @ProckGnosis
    @ProckGnosis Před 7 lety

    Still wanting one of these after playing with it at Superbooth. Just really has a very playable feel...or "organic" as Nick says. Shame about the Mac-only software though.

  • @Trovarsi
    @Trovarsi Před 7 lety

    Hello! Love the videos! Touché is amazing! I love using it! I play live techno, and it definitely adds another element to the performance. I would love to see more tutorials and/or info on program changes or short cuts. I figured out a couple of workarounds, but there may be an easier way. There are not a lot of tutorials on touché yet. I'm not sure if I misunderstood, but I thought Arthur said something about presets and program changes but he didn't elaborate on the matter. I'm hoping later you will revisit touché and go into it a little deeper.

  • @LaurentDiscShowMan
    @LaurentDiscShowMan Před 3 lety

    Muy bien..very good..buen pedal expresivo y funcional..bien animo con todas las cosas y vayamos todos con alegrías siempre a mejor...

  • @thom-alphaxiii-5106
    @thom-alphaxiii-5106 Před 7 lety +9

    Please make lié on windows pc's and ios!

  • @leviamusic8197
    @leviamusic8197 Před 7 lety +1

    Really intresting but is it built well enough to be used like a footpedal or will it just break after 15 minutes?

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 7 lety +1

      Not really designed to use your feet with it, though I'm sure it can be done, its more for your hands

  • @dannyd1224
    @dannyd1224 Před 7 lety +9

    They should make one for your feet.

    • @montazownianr1
      @montazownianr1 Před 6 lety +2

      I would love to sit down right on some controller, and use my windy part to play some music.

    • @jamesvoos2432
      @jamesvoos2432 Před 5 lety

      That's a great idea!

    • @mmhcreates
      @mmhcreates Před 4 lety

      Just us it with your feet/foot

  • @inter-linked
    @inter-linked Před rokem

    Genius product still.

  • @user-yo1cv2me5l
    @user-yo1cv2me5l Před 7 lety +2

    uhh how is the software not on pc?

  • @watercolourmark
    @watercolourmark Před 7 lety

    This would have been great before they invented MPE, this is two handed MME - it is like the controller the 70's never had but needed.

  • @montazownianr1
    @montazownianr1 Před 6 lety

    Jeezzzz... this is something... wow, so much possibilities :D

  • @RoboticusMusic
    @RoboticusMusic Před 7 lety +3

    There's a 3D mouse that does something similar with rotation plus Z axis also and there's software for it but the software isn't great. I'd rather have the 3D mouse tbh, just wish it had better software.

  • @alanbg2278
    @alanbg2278 Před 7 lety +1

    I would love to go with this. I went for the Rise 49 which I love, especially for solo instrument playing. The problem with Touche, despite its obvious potential, is where do you put it if you are using say a 61note keyboard on a stand( like an Apex?) for live, ie performance ? Fine for a 25 note on a desktop but beyond that....? Problematic I'd venture ?
    I DO WANT !
    OOPS Got one ! I will find a way !

  • @johnsch8634
    @johnsch8634 Před 7 lety +1

    It's a very neat looking device, but all I've seen hasn't convinced me that it could fit into my workflow at all.

  • @northerntao
    @northerntao Před 7 lety

    Looks really cool, but spendy for what it is. A tiny company, so I understand why. With my Linnstrument and Moog MP-201, I'm pretty set for expressitivity, but this would be nice to have.
    Edit - Mac only for the configuration software? Show stopper. Bummer

  • @VTOLKits
    @VTOLKits Před 7 lety +2

    Can we use it with Propellerheads Reason ?

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 7 lety +1

      I should think so its got MIDI USB control so no reason why not, though at present its Mac only.

  • @jonaseggen2230
    @jonaseggen2230 Před 7 lety +1

    What's not to like about this? That my lack of musical skills will shine through? Also at the moment it's only for mac.

  • @logenninefingers3610
    @logenninefingers3610 Před 6 lety

    What happens to the modulation effects if you want to edit the midi notes recorded in your daw?

  • @KirkMonteux
    @KirkMonteux Před 7 lety

    sold

  • @carlodeasmundis4610
    @carlodeasmundis4610 Před 7 lety

    very very cool toy wow

  • @schragemusik
    @schragemusik Před 6 lety

    Windows version apparently on the way.

  • @arsenentibushitse7794
    @arsenentibushitse7794 Před 5 lety

    Can we plug it to a microphone and sing with expression?

  • @livestockholm2762
    @livestockholm2762 Před 3 lety

    i, can the pedal be connected to a Mellotron Mini piano?

  • @keith6743
    @keith6743 Před 5 lety

    WOW.....this is amazing.... it only works with a synthesizer? Sorry looked it up and it works with keyboards also....Does anyone know what the difference with the SE is....

  • @audiblevideo
    @audiblevideo Před 7 lety

    There are guitar effect pedals that have MIDI expressivity and those that use a foot pedal can this unit access those effect parameters and morph between them, if the pedal supports it?

    • @plimtaku
      @plimtaku Před 7 lety

      audiblevideo Great question! If the pedal supports cv for expression control I think it should work well. It would be great for synth users who use outboard effects. Not so much for guitarists but I'm sure someone will demonstrate a great use for it.

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 Před 7 lety

    I tried this at NAMM. At first, I laughed, because it looked like a cobbler's shoe tree or something. But after using it, I was impressed.

  • @aidanvinum
    @aidanvinum Před 6 lety

    Will this work with MPC Live? Anybody know? Nobody seems to.

  • @shookstylez
    @shookstylez Před 7 lety +1

    i was sad to see that they have not made a preset for the new Moog Model D synthesizer.

  • @dilostudioofficial5948

    Expressive touche oferta 5500 nuevo excelente CDMX

  • @letMeSayThatInIrish
    @letMeSayThatInIrish Před 7 lety +2

    Quite pricey, but also seems very well designed. Can't help drooling a little.

  • @chrisliddiard725
    @chrisliddiard725 Před 3 lety +2

    I'd like to see something like this for your feet. Imagine a 4 axis foot controller, so a guitar or bass player can have the same level of interaction with their sound.

  • @jeffjordanmusic5133
    @jeffjordanmusic5133 Před 7 lety +3

    more flexibility than the Roli Seaboard!

  • @doubtingtom37
    @doubtingtom37 Před 11 měsíci

    Have Touche SE, and use Lie /Reaper. Cool ! Leaning to full Touche', but no help here with clear inderstnading of hardware synth connections, and choices. Looks like DeepMind 12 will be good, Using Prophet 5, and Trigon 6. Total lack of understanding how Touche will be connected and function to its full capability. Touche presenter in top speed mode, and little clue what true potential is. 🤷🏻‍♂🤷🏻‍♂

  • @dingbatjack1234
    @dingbatjack1234 Před 6 lety

    So can it learn now? Anyone use this with their feet?

  • @garyabbot4659
    @garyabbot4659 Před 7 lety +5

    Is it waterproof?

    • @synriser6742
      @synriser6742 Před 7 lety +2

      On the moon, yeah!

    • @garyabbot4659
      @garyabbot4659 Před 7 lety +7

      Don Segers I just want to know if it will withstand my salty tears from all that expressiveness.

    • @watercolourmark
      @watercolourmark Před 7 lety +1

      gary abbot don't douche a touché

  • @RoboticusMusic
    @RoboticusMusic Před 7 lety +1

    Wondering what NRPN or (what sounded like) sixaxis/sys access is.

    • @dcashley303
      @dcashley303 Před 7 lety +2

      SysEx is 'system exclusive' messages which are basically for programming deep and unusual digital programs. For instance you can access the regular Midi CC numbers on a Microkorg XL but if you wanted to change the effects on the device you'd have to control it via it's SysEx. NRPN I believe relates to messages in a DAW, for instance record/stop etc. They're both basically more indepth and machine/DAW specific languages.

    • @chaosme1ster
      @chaosme1ster Před 7 lety +3

      NRPN: let me Google that for you: bfy.tw/E7fr
      And no, it's not DAW specific. It's part of the MIDI spec. It's a way of extending the limited set of 128 midi continuous controllers.

  • @octakaoss
    @octakaoss Před 6 lety

    omg. i will drum on that thing like a caveman.

  • @sandrothefreak
    @sandrothefreak Před 7 lety +2

    if you like this you should check zvuk9 ! :)

    • @zvukmachines7183
      @zvukmachines7183 Před 7 lety +1

      Good advice :) Since yesterday, our campaign is live on Indiegogo: www.indiegogo.com/projects/zvuk9-new-way-to-create-music#/

  • @Rialas
    @Rialas Před 4 lety

    So it doesn’t do pitch bend?

  • @thevisionaryassassin4352

    6:20-6:30, Damn.

  • @islandboystv
    @islandboystv Před 5 lety

    Will it work in Logic Pro X?

    • @kylebeckx
      @kylebeckx Před 5 lety

      It sends midi so yes you can either map the midi output or use the companion software Lie as shown in the vid

  • @mongoosecollector
    @mongoosecollector Před 7 lety

    Can it send cv, midi and usb midi simultaneously to control multiple instruments at the same time ?

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 7 lety

      Yes I beleive so. Though the MIDI/USB are the same data I dont think you can address those ports separately

  • @leave-trace
    @leave-trace Před 7 lety

    This thing is high on my GAS list...

  • @cammy1273
    @cammy1273 Před 7 lety

    That's a game changer eh.

  • @First__Last__
    @First__Last__ Před 6 lety +2

    just a warning that this thing is a complete pain in the ass to use with hardware synths. it's entirely trial and error, going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from your computer to your synth to get it right. you have to do this for each different synth, too. it works great with most plugins in its native environment but unless you have an entire day to devote to wrestling with the hardware synth process it's not worth the trouble. if there was some kind of "learn" mode where you could turn a knob and then select a quadrant on the device it'd be amazing.

  • @phantazzor
    @phantazzor Před 7 lety

    can you stack up CV ? 2 CVs from the moog hooked up on one output ?

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 7 lety +2

      You can send up to 4 CVs on a single axis, or shifting as they call it, each CV out can go to the destination of your choice. If thats what you mean?

  • @C1c4da
    @C1c4da Před 6 lety

    This thing is cool but why is this guys ear piercing at the bottom of his earlobe??? Lol

  • @samuelboyle3506
    @samuelboyle3506 Před 7 lety

    cool but too expensive, I think 200€ is ok🤔😕

  • @josedealva4205
    @josedealva4205 Před 5 lety

    one trick pony that everybody got bored of quite quickly just look at how many posts there are in Reverb. lmao

  • @Dazzer1234567
    @Dazzer1234567 Před 6 lety

    How come this sounds so good and ROLI sounds so bad?

    • @sonicstate
      @sonicstate  Před 6 lety

      Neither of them make a sound. not sure what you mean

    • @Dazzer1234567
      @Dazzer1234567 Před 6 lety

      I meant almost every demo of a ROLI keyboard controller just sounds really artificial and silly to me, whereas this seems to be a more musical / sensible concept and is, IMO more the direction controllers should go! The ROLI style keyboards will have their day in about 10 years when materials science, nanotechnology and electrical engineering is more advanced!

  • @tilmanwolff-moore276
    @tilmanwolff-moore276 Před 7 lety

    Hahaha. "Notation Pig" 😄

  • @josedealva4205
    @josedealva4205 Před 5 lety +1

    quite stupid if you ask me, but you didn´t

    • @josedealva4205
      @josedealva4205 Před 5 lety

      Second thought I see a mother 32 there so I can relate to that give me 3--- bollocks

  • @mishpult
    @mishpult Před 7 lety +4

    really nice product, this presenter makes me extremely nervous though

    • @synriser6742
      @synriser6742 Před 7 lety +17

      Just a modest guy who is not used to do presentations. But, he knows what he is talking about.

    • @kamesanj0
      @kamesanj0 Před 7 lety +17

      And he's not speaking his native language.

    • @bobrobertson9547
      @bobrobertson9547 Před rokem

      @@synriser6742But no questions around hardware compatibility. In other words, is your hardware supported?

  • @meneerjansen00
    @meneerjansen00 Před 7 lety +1

    So it's a foot pedal w/ software that only works in Ableton and the software won't work when MacOS 15 comes out in thee years? And *no* Windows, iOS, Android or Linux Pfffff. You must be joking! When _will_ they ever learn that software is dead. :-(

    • @oorcinus
      @oorcinus Před 7 lety +1

      You can set up up to 32 standalone onboard configurations and use it with hardware synths in standalone mode. He mentions it in the first 5 minutes of the video.

    • @meneerjansen00
      @meneerjansen00 Před 7 lety

      Thanks for that clarification. However: its still a foot pedal, isn't it?

    • @oorcinus
      @oorcinus Před 7 lety

      A hand pedal, i guess. An odd one. Actually, it reminds me of something else - there was a synth that had a weirdo 3D mod wheel you could also tilt sideways and depress, but the name escapes me.

    • @josedealva4205
      @josedealva4205 Před 5 lety

      get a ps4 joystick configured to work with midi lol
      its a pretentious device to enlarge penis sizes

  • @DamianTangram
    @DamianTangram Před 7 lety +1

    Love the concept but can it be preset and stand alone with no pc?