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- In this 10 minutes of cartridge fury, Ryan Muckenhirn shoots us straight on perhaps the most iconic straight wall cartridge - the 45-70. This fantastic and storied cartridge is one of Ryan’s personal favorites for myriad reasons. From its military adoption, to reloading and hunting, the 45-70 is straight-up cool! Listen in to find out how cool!
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most everyone is afraid of the 45/70 recoil, but its a perfect everything cartridge under 400 yards. whatever it hits stays down, forever. great from deer to zombie dinosaurs, you need one now.
I own a 30-30 model '94 Winchester but never shot a 45-70. Yet. I've always liked lever guns
It’s so easy to hand load for too
I just bought the new marlin 1895 ( wood grain ebony colour) with red dot. It's sexy AF. I didn't mind the recoil on some older 45-70 rifles. This new one has some nice rubber shoulder cushion. I'd shoot all day if bullets weren't 3 bucks a pop (in Australia).
It's not that bad
Less than my 300 mag. No need to fear
The Monarch brand 7.62x54r they sell at Academy for 60 cpr claims over 2500 ftlb energy on the box. Thats even more than the fancy Federal 300grain 45-70 that sells for almost $3 per round. Wouldnt that mean im better off spending my $500 on a mint Mosin Nagant than a used H&r 155 Shikari?
I bought the Henry 45/70 and I use the 405 grain 1,300 fps…more like a big thump…what always intrigued me about the 45/70 was two of my neighbors growing up around and listening to their stories of using that cartridge in actual battles. One neighbor actually used the Springfield Model 1880 .45-70 Trapdoor Rifle in the Calvary in the early 1880’s and the other neighbor fought in Cuba with Teddy Rosevelt and the rough riders in Cuba. As there were not Krag rifles to equip everyone , his unit was supplied with the Trapdoor Springfield rifle, firing .45-70 Gov’t blackpowder cartridges. I learned history from those that made the history, I sat for hours listening to these old gentlemen and you could see in their eyes and facial expressions them reliving their experiences as young soldiers…every time I handle that 45/70 cartridge it brings the memories and the stories back that they shared with me…
Marlin was first with a lever action repeater in 45-70 gov. Winchester did not have a lever repeater strong enough for the 45-70 gov till later.
MY LOAD IS SAME BULLET(SMALL FLAT NOSE 405 HARD CAST) BUT ALMOST 1500fps -- PRETTY EASY ON THE SHOULDER -- WILL SHOOT THRU A WHOLE LOTTA MAMMAL FLESH & BONE -- LIKE A THUNDERBOLT ON EVEN THE BIGGEST HOGS
Good story. I have a 1873 trapdoor, I haven't shot it. It's in really good shape and I don't want to blow it up.
If it can fight a war, it can fill a freezer
The 45/70 and .270 win are my 2 favorites equally.
45-70 episode 2 please. Way more stuff to talk about.
Absolutely!!
In 1974 I bought my first gun, a Winchester 94 and I fell in love with the .30-30. I like old cartridges and my favorite rifle cartridges are the .45-70 and the .30-30. My favorite handgun cartridges are the .45 Colt and the .38 Special.
I like your choices! I could be happy whith these calibers where I live along with the .22LR and 12 gauge shotgun, although I would never admit it to the woman in my life...
If you like the old straight walls a very good one is the 45/90. Compared to the 45/70 it is a magnum.
@@russellkeeling9712 Just have to make sure it has the faster twist of the Sharps and Winchester 1885. The Winchester 1886 had a slower twist for lighter "express" loads. oO
@@russellkeeling9712 I kinda wish they would resurrect old cartridges like that.
A man must have all those calibers 👌🏽👍🏽
1895 Marlin Cowboy, 26 inch barrel, such a wonderful thumper.
Very true, I wish I had bought one of the JM models back in the day. Always reminded me of the Winchester Centennial Steve McQueen used in Tom Horn.
@@willrowell3218 Got one. Taken 3 Whitetails with it now. I use the Marlin and my Winchester Ranger 12 gauge to hunt deer in Iowa.
I own this rifle one of my favorites
most under rated round to date. Finally pressured myself into getting a Henry Model X .45-70, which is capable of handling all loads of .45-70 and I also mean the very hot +P+ beasts too. Henry is the best.
Not according to this guy: czcams.com/video/60CJk92vu3c/video.html
45-70 is highly overrated, it was a disaster on the battlefield
@@sinistersilverado965 I seriously doubt that it's the round, its more the weapon system being a breachloaded single shot rifle, verses repeater. What was disastrous about the round?
@@MinimalistOutdoors heavy recoil, poor trajectory, it was an absolute failure as a military round
@@sinistersilverado965 is that why the round stuck around for so many years and was the military's go to round for regimental marksman training? And is still used for bison, antelope, elk, white-tail, bear, and hog at various distances up to 400 meters?
"I get a kick out of it." I see what you did there.
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The .30-06 can win wars, adorn your mantle, and fill your freezer. Change my mind.
How can three guys talk about such an awesome cartridge with all the enthusiasm and charisma of a damn undertaker?
Mississippi allows 35 cal and bigger single shot rifles to be used in place of a muzzleloader. Safe to say that 35 whelen and 45-70 are very popular down here
Good to hear :)
Would really like to see more .35 Whelen rifles on the market. Especially bolt guns, I've wanted one forever never found one I liked for the right price. Currently looking at the Sauer 100 in 9.3x62. Pretty close to the same round from what I can tell. Little bit bigger bullet, little bit older design, might go that route if I don't find a Whelen.
@@willrowell3218 Take a look at the CZ 550 American in 9.3. I love mine.
@@TXLorenzo Will do, glad to hear that you like the cartridge. I've been studying it for a few months looking forward to owning one myself. I'm curious about how much meat damage it would do to something white tailed deer size.
@@willrowell3218 Meat damage is not bad, not like higher velocity cartridges. Also, check out the 358 Winchester, another great caliber. I have the Browning BLR which is still in production.
Henry Color Case Hardened + 325 LeverEvolutions = AWESOMENESS!!!! knocked down a mature Red Stag at 100 yds easily, clean pass through, bullet hit dirt about 50 yds behind stag with lots of energy still, very powerful, absolutely my favorite rifle ammo combo.
Well, buffalo hunters used the 45-70 and it's bigger brothers ad ranges well beyond 500 yds. Had a lot of drop, but it will also go a long ways.
A ten minute talk about the 44 magnum would be cool. Thanks! Love these ten minute talk videos.
And 38 Super and .450 Bushmaster too.
It’s my favorite gun in my small collection. Can’t go wrong with this sledge hammer round.
When you absolutely, positively, have to put really big holes in something - the .45-70.
And unlike high pressure ctdgs from the .30-06 to the .300 win mag, the .45-70 recoil is manageable. It's a strong shove, rather than a strong punch.
Try some Buffalo-Bore 430grn hard cast loaded to a bit over 1800 fps. Yikes! I carry them in my rifle a lot and shoot them as little as possible.
This is the first of these that I have found wanting in scope and depth.
I used my Henry 45-70 to put a doe in the freezer this year. Awesome rifle and cartridge combination. Surprisingly very little meat damage.
My Marlin has done the same. Great platform for putting Whitetail in the freezer.
I agree the 45/70 is also my favorite round and my favorite rifle. My father in law retired from the Maine State police from there he opened a full service gun shop
He built a 45/70 from the ground up.
He had a springfield bolt action to start from. He cut the stock shaped it and finished it. He bought the barrel as raw material and fabricated the barrel and blued it. The end product is just one of the best shooting and looking guns I have ever seen. He finished it off with a Williams peep site. . I was gifted this gun from him about 20 years ago. Needless to say it's the pride of my gun collection and I enjoy shooting it. I have a variety of reloads I shoot thru the rifle.
It is also a great reminder of the man that created it.
This is the podcast I've been waiting for since Ryan said it was his favorite. Could you perhaps do a 10 minute talk on .338 win mag?
That would be interesting because I always wanted to know what the real difference is between the .300 and .338 Win Mag. Like how does the .338 win mag out perform the .300 win mag. You never hear much about this. One magazine I read that you need to place your shot differently when using .338 win mag vs. .300 win mag!! They say with the .338 win mag you must go higher on the shoulder of a deer for example. Where as with the .300 win mag there is a different shot placement to use on a deer!!
I would second this.
Love the Round! thanks Guy's
Excellent topic. Although I disagree about the recoil of the Leverevolution which I find to be fairly mild, at least with my Marlin 1895 SBL. I’ve taken everything from small roe deer to Scandinavian moose with this caliber. Great stopping power for wild boar as well.
Probably has to do with the curved steel buttplate making sure you get every last bit of energy into your shoulder, lol. Unless I am doing some group testing, my Marlin is not one I chose to shoot from a bench. Like my 35 Whelen, you need to be able to ride out the recoil.
Sounds like enough to stop an Elephant. Not that shooting an Elephant is a good thing to do.
The 45-70 is my go to round for whitetails. My woods are young and very thick with every type of plant that has thorns. I don’t like leaving my own blood trail tracking deer, so switch to a 45-70 Siamese Mauser, which 75% of the time drops deer literally in their tracks. I also have a Peabody in 45-70, in which I shoot black powder loadings that give pretty much the same terminal performance. As a handloader I also appreciate that the brass seems to last forever. While any number of cartridges are more than adequate for whitetails, the 45-70 really does the best of any I’ve tried over the past half century.
The 45-70 is one of my favorites. Have shot several firearms in this caliber, including a derringer. Now that's an experience!
How is the recoil?
@@voisindo You should get a kick out of this story. I was a Range Master at our police dept for a number of years and had the luxury of getting to shoot many types of firearms and ammo. One day a gun store owning friend of mine, Steve, called up and asked if he could bring a 45-70 to the range to test fire. When Steve arrived he showed me a 4 inch stacked barrel derringer. Beside Steve and me, the range maintenance man, Frank, was also present and often got the chance to participate in test firings. Steve loaded one 500 gr round into the derringer and got a two handed death grip on the gun. Upon firing the shot a tremendous ball of fire erupted from the barrel and the gun recoil up and back about a foot and half despite Steve's grip. It was awesome! I was next, got the death grip, fired the gun and was able to keep the recoil down to about one foot due to being bigger than Steve. Frank wanted to shoot the gun. Knowing Frank didn't always follow instructions well, I took extra care in emphasising a strong grip. Frank said he got it and readied himself to shoot. When he touch off the round, the derringer came out of his hands spinning backwards hitting him in the forehead just above the eyes. The gun continued to climb his head flipping overtop and landing on the concrete behind him. It was hilarious! Frank was not seriously hurt due to his ball cap brim being forced down over his eyes by the spinning derringer and partially insulating him from the derringer. He did have a bruise on the forehead which caused his wife to call him a dumb ass on a daily basis until the bruise faded away.
That's awesome!! Thank you for relating that story!!
wow, a .45-70 derringer?? isn't that kind of like a grenade going off in your hand?
I had an Alaskan in 45-70 but sold it before shooting it....
The #1 can be loaded to nearly 458 Win Mag performance.
I like cartridges that have enough case volume for black powder. They're all very flexible for reloading.
I have a Marlin 1895 in .45-70 and I love it.
Great dialog thank you men for your clarity in the history of the ammo and rifle
Acme bullets in the wood box are the best. glad to see you mention them.
Usually I would say my favorite cartridge is the one in my rifle chamber...that's usually a 4570 when I'm elk hunting. Thompson Center Contender 16" barrel 4570. 15+ elk so far...
I love my Miroku Winchester 1886 in 45-70....Full length octagon barrel, full length Magazine, pistol grip, Crescent buttplate with turned down toe, disabled saftey, tang sight and at 80 years old, yes, a side mounted scope sight....I had a saddle ring put on it just because I wanted to and Deluxe Winchester Quick release swivels....with a Rocky Mou tain front sight....OK, I through talking....
Oooooh, finally mans cartridge lol. It is my favorite.
Enjoyed this topic!!
In Louisiana we’re now allowed to use the 35 Whelen during our primitive arms season also! Has to be breech loaded.
Most excellent. The 35 Whelen Is the most efficient cartridge I have ever loaded. Truly the poor mans magnum.
@@russellkeeling9712 best cartridge ever!
The Hornady Leverevolution FTX .45-70 cartridges are no joke recoil wise... Ryan isn't lying. The recoil of a rifle very much depends on the specific rifle, the weight of the rifle, the shoulder pad you are using, and the propellant level. Lighter .45-70's out of a heavier lever gun like the Winchester 1886 are manageable, but Hornady FTX .45-70 out of a light lever gun like the Marlin 1895 or the Henry Big boys can be painful, especially if the Henry has a metal butt plate. I have owned over 7 .45-70 lever guns from multiple brands... so direct experience on this. If you have the expectation management and treat the .45-70 like the big game cartridge it is, and expect it like you would expect a .375 H&H and a .416 Rigby, you'll be in a good mental state. But if you expect to put high pressure Hornady .45-70 in a light modern lever gun... it will bruise you.
Yes sir. I found this out in my 1895 black knight Marlin. Corrected my stance and can now rip multiple shots accurately and without discomfort. Gun is fun as hell
Thanks for the heads up on the ACME bullet company. While I was watching your video, I went online and purchased 100 405 grain powder coated bullets for my 45-70's. Thanks again.
45/70 Marlin 1895 lever gun w/ 22 inch barrel. Burris Scout 2-7 mounted forward of the receiver. Reduced power springs and a custom trigger (forget where from) make the rifle a dream to shoot. I typically shoot the new hornady 325 Gn rounds but also have used 430 Gn +P rounds. Love the gun and how it feels. Perfect brush gun for wisconsin whitetail / black bear hunting.
That Buffalo-Bore 430grn hard cast is a beast but comforting here in brown bear country
An awesome round.
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I have a Henry 45-70. I load for it and I have shot the Hornady 325 Revolution as well. I don't feel much difference between the 405 gr loadings and the factory loadings. All I know I love this gun and cartridge! My dream is to take an elk with this gun using iron sights. BTW, powder coating really works. Its cheap and easy. Try it if you cast your own projectiles.
One of my favorite big bore cartridges that is still being manufactured for better thing's. Good job fellas!
It was damn near obsolete in the 80's due to up and coming 12ga slug improvements.. here Iam today with a chiappa kodiak 1886.. absolutely lovin it!!
.45-70 is fantastically fun to shoot. The Hornandy 325 gr FTX rounds don’t have a “kick” but more of a strong shove.
Depending body height and weight and shooting techniques used
Thx guys. Great vid!
Glad you enjoyed :)
Great episode. Ryan is very knowledgeable. I love the fact that he seems a conflict between tradition and hightech. And we own the same calibers and rifles. My 1885 is a Browning (awesome wood) and has a Sharps parked next to it!
favorite classic
A very interesting and informative ramble with a favorite cartridge. One of the best overall podcast setup and productions on yoobtoob. 👍
Thanks for tuning in!🤜🤛
The king of the straight wall cartridges
There is absolutely nothing to not to like about the 45-70. It is my favorite and my most shot gun!
Love my Henry 45-70
Love my 45-70!!!!!
I’m late to the party on this comment, but I used to compete in BPCR at Winnequah with my dad. I love the 45-70.
I just sprung for a Uberti 1885 Courteney Stalking Rifle in 45-70 as a cool mix of throwback styling with modern components, so this podcast was perfect timing. I stuck with iron sights, too - it’s fun to go trad!!
Hey, if you guys go trad again, can you talk 25-35, 38-55, or 375 Win? Nice to balance the new and old - as long as the old is still relevant.
Thanks, guys. Your podcasts are awesome. Love the good chemistry you three bring. No knowledge contests, just genuine enthusiasm for the subject and respect for each other. Keep rockin . . .
We appreciate you tuning in and for the suggestion! We'll get those added to the idea board!
405 grain lead bullets in 45-70 are pure fun!
The 405 grain hollow base bullet is probably my favorite all around 45-70 govt bullet. It can be loaded light for pronghorn and white tail, and the same bullet can be loaded hot for elk, and mule deer. I would not hesitate to shoot a bear with it either. I would not feel under gunned usint the 405 grain bullet with maximum powder charge.
40-65 win
And 45-70 are a blast
Love the mule
I love the sharps
You guys should do an episode on falling block actions and Ryan could bring in his highwall to show us. Also you could talk about the Ruger No.1
I love my Sabatti double barrel 45-70! I put a 1.1-4 power Schmidt & Bender scope in Contessa QD mounts on it and it shoots clover leaf groups at 75 yds. Just getting supplies on hand to start reloading for it.
I really like my 45-70 Marlin 1895
I have a Fordite handled knife. I love it.
Way to go Ryan! Time to educate the youngsters. My 45/70 is a Remington Rolling Block. I love to shoot the 405 cast at 1250-1500 FPS. No faster because mine too has the steel crescent butt plate. Take these guys to a range and introduce them backwards into future. Great one guys!!!!!
Got me a Henry 45-70 love it
A 45/70 in a rolling block is a great rifle. Numrich took old military rolling blocks, probably 7mm, rebarreled them and called it “45/70 Buffalo”. Has a 28”, 1 1/8” octagonal barrel. Weighs in at 18#. A jot to shoot 405gr powder coated at around 1250-1500fps. Amazing to hunt with those rounds. Kills what it hits DRT.
Very interesting, lots to learn from this.
E.G. FORDITE, interesting stuff, glad you got to see some of it.
I tend to old school, a 45-70 is in my future.
Very interesting stuff! People use Fordite for knife handles as well.
I have a 45-70 1895 Guide gun with a matching BFR 45-70. They're both awesome. If i'm in a deer stand, the pistol comes in real handy and out of the dozens of pistols I own, it's by far the most accurate. Love the thing and it's a big push vs the snap of a lot of newer pistol rounds like 454, 460, 500, etc.
I love when you guys go over I wish you would go on for an hour
I would love to see another reloading podcast... This time pointing us in the right directions about what powders to use with what cartridges and different weight bullets. Not necessarily giving recommendations but examples of what yall use and why. I'm new to reloading and I know when I start looking for powders for all the different cartridges, with different bullet weights and burn rates it still makes my head hurt. I think it would be helpful to everyone that's new to this and still trying to figure everything out. Love the channel guys keep the videos coming!!!
This is certainly on our list to record! Cool to see this suggestion after we actually just started talking about getting something like this planned. Thank you!
@@VortexNation That awesome!!! I always see people asking for load data and I can read all the load data out there but that's just numbers on a page to me. I like to know why people are using the powders they use, for the different classes of cartridges and with what bullet types/weights. I'm one of those people that once I know the why it helps me wrap my brain around the rest because it really is a lot to take in.
We need more of these cartridge talks!
270wby or 340wby would be sweet really any weatherby round I loved the 300wby episode
You know that the bullet expelled from a 45/70 cartridge will be in the dirt within a short distance ( as compared to a 308, for example). Therefore it can be a safer round when hunting in a multi gun lease. I love my 45/70 Marlin and in fact, I would rather shoot my Marlin than my 270 Remington. I pull the trigger, a big grin spreads over my face and small trees fall over. By the way I am 5’4”. Do not fear the kick. It is more of a push.
that works... until you know that the trajectory isn't as flat as something faster... and you try to "hold over" the animal... subsequently hitting your neighbor's house 800 yards away, and due to the mass of the projectile, it easily penetrates the wall and hopefully doesn't kill anyone (growing up in OH: a shotgun, muzzleloader, and now "straight-walled" rifle state, plenty of bullets bounce all over the countryside when the fudds are out, holes in buildings, injured/dead livestock and equipment to prove it and all). Big bullets are very deadly at range, because they don't have to be moving very fast to tear things up, and the momentum they have allows them to go through a lot of stuff. Now that being said, bullets in general don't go very far once they hit the ground (they lose a lot of velocity immediately and they become very unstable & deformed (which causes them to slow down even faster)) 30-50yd is usually more than enough for rifle bullets to stop once they hit the ground, especially if they are light weight (sub 200gr). I would much rather have fudd out there shooting a 30-06 at a deer, and hitting it/not holding over, than a "safer" alternative lol. How many people are killed/wounded/have property damaged from varmint hunters and recreational shooters who shoot on private land (and are following reasonable safety rules)? not a lot. How many people are killed/wounded/ have property damaged from hunters with non-"high-powered" rifles (whatever that is, lol)? quite a few, most unfortunately go unreported (on the property side, deaths and injuries are chalked up to an "accident", and left at that, normally).
The damages caused by fudds holding over/not knowing the trajectory of their bullets are then used by proponents of "straight-walled cartridge" rifles to justify not allowing more modern stuff... because the modern stuff are "ha per'd rifles". The difference between a 125 yd zero for .45-70 and 800 yards is a matter of a few degrees, easily within human error if you are "eyeballing it". .30-06 (220gr @2500fps)... PBR is around 260yd on deer point and click, no estimation (which for most hunters is actually guesstimation), no ballistics tables or fancy reticles. .30-06 with 155gr has around a 280yd PBR on deer.
Remember, the US Army conducted field trials in 1879 out at Sandy Hook to evaluate the effectiveness of extreme distance infantry rifle fire. They set up a company-formation sized target at 2 miles, then proceeded to shoot 50 (?) shots at it, hitting it 13 times, the bullets that hit the target left holes indicating that they were still stable (striking nose first), and penetrating 2 inches of pine and then burying themselves 4-8" into sand (sand is very good at arresting KE). Keep in mind that that was with the BP load for 45-70-500 (although they also loaded special cartridges for the trials as well, with 85gr of powder). That load is lucky to produce 1300fps with that bullet. Y'all that shoot the hot-rodded smokeless loads (which are the equivalent of the .450 nitro) are doing waayyy more than that lol.
I love hunting with BP and older equipment, but .45-70 is not for someone who only takes their rifle out once or twice a year... at least not if you are going to shoot more than 100-125 yards. At that point, there are rifles and cartridges better suited, that have less recoil and cost and weight.
@@wildrangeringreen great points there.
We can use a 45-70 Gov, 444 Marlin, and 35 Whelen as long as they're a single shot rifle in Louisiana during primitive weapons season. I'm not sure if there's any other cartridges but those 3 in that configuration we can for sure and I love it because it extends our deer season for about 3 weeks.
TY, didn't know that
350 legend is also applicable now.
@@jayellgee That's cool I didn't know that. I built a 350 legend AR15 a couple years ago and was doing some hog hunting with it but shot a few deer also. I ended up selling it but it's a pretty cool cartridge and would be way more pleasant to shoot in a single shot then a 444, 45-70, and 35 Whelen for sure!!!
@@DanielBoone337 it really is pleasant to shoot. I bought a CVA in 350 Legend for my wife to hunt with in primitive. The Whelen just terrified her, so it was a great option for her.
Single shot? So like a break barrel rifle only?
I may have missed it but there should have been a warning about the newer cartridges running too high pressure in the old rifles. Trapdoor loads and Marlin lever loads are totally different animals. A modern load in an older rifle can cause catastrophic failure.
Most shooters today know better than loading hot 4570 loads in an antique rifle. This is also why the industry loads to low pressure standard in case one of the morons you sugest try to load a buffalo bore cartridge into an antique rifle, despite the warnings printed on the box of ammo.
Powder coat doesn't slow the bullet down like copper jackets do. You guys ought to do a 10 minute talk on paper patching.
45/70 though versatile, was the 2nd cartridge adopted by the USArmy, for its main issue rifle, 50/70 was the fist, and the cartridge responsible for the great Buffalo kill off as well as the bulk of the Indian wars
Yes a revolver in 45-70 I have both a lever gun Marlin 1895 guide gun and BFR 10" barrel love them both!!!!!!!
I had the same experience with my Shiloh Sharps. The Hornady was screaming, but I didn’t shoot it well. It was not fun to shoot. Load some lighter charged 325s and MY accuracy greatly improved.
Just got “finally “ Marlin Ruger made 1895 Trapper!!!! It’s my first 45-70 and it has my grandson name on it! Great video guys
The first cartridge firearm was actually invented in 1808, offered to Napoleon and he turned it down. Imagine if he had adopted that. Waterloo would have been something completely different. I believe that it was originally a shotgun round for a double-barrel shotgun. And I believe that it was a firearm that the barrels actually slid forward away from the rear of the breach.
Love my TC Encore in 45-70. 14” pistol and 24” rifle. When I go after moose up close in thick brush that pistol is always on my shoulder.
Looking at building up a three gun battery. I already have a .375 Ruger and settled on a .204 Ruger for varmints/ small game. Considering a 45-70 Henry (or Marlin now that Ruger has resurrected them), 338 Federal bolt action or something in 7mm for the normal game.
+1 on 338 Winchester Magnum. Probably my favorite "over the counter" magnum
Same here
I picked up a Henry All Weather Side Gate .45-70. I plan on mounting a Nikon 1-4x on it for a good point blank to 200 yard combo.
One of my favorite cartridges the 45/70.
I have the 1895 SBL in the Trapper use the 400 grain Barnes Original..Pushing out that bullet out over 1700 ft per second.. I like using it the timber country less than 125 yds.The nice think about that cartridge less meat damage than your High velocity cartridges which cause more meat damage that gelling you get because of all that hydrostatic shock from your high velocity bullets.
You wont get gelling from hydrostatic shock. You will get smaller permanent wound cavity with faster rounds. The temporary wound cavity will be bigger.
45-70 showed it's obsolescence against the 7x57 Mauser, that's why the 30-06 was born
.45-70 must be the most popular, over-rated cartridge to ever exist.
You had the Krag .30/40 in between the .45-70 and .30-06.
Good topic. I hope you expand "traditional" cartriges 38-55 or 45-70. Also, could you talk about venier peep sights and or "tradional" socpes. Maybe Vortex could come out with a "traditional- ish socpe in 2x7 for hunting and use on a high wall or sharps?
You gotta love a cartridge that has been around so long that it was originally loaded in Black Powder AND is still relevant today.
Teddy Kennedy called the classic 405gr version "Good Lion Medicine" and Vinnie Lupo has taken the African "Big 8" with the .45-70, albeit loaded with very heavy super hard cast slugs. I forget which loading it was, but one of the Garretts, possibly the Hammerhead (540gr gas-checked), out penetrated the .458 Win-Mag in wet phone books. 58" vs. 54". It's what NOAA carries for protection against coastal grizzlies.
BTW, they make a scope SPECIFICALLY intended for the LeveRevolution cartridge and marked to match the drop of that round.
Love my Henry 45-70 single shot. Using Remington 405 grain ammo. Agree the 325 grain new ammo is painful to shoot. Now my favorite hunting rifle.
Shiloh Sharps -Big Timber Montana. Worth the wait.
Just came across this. Excellent information! Going to get me some ACME Lipstick Bullets LOL.
You nailed it... I have a Winchester 1886 Miroku takedown with 26in Octagonal barrel / crescent butt-plate, Japanese made to high standards with a High Grade Walnut stock. It has period buckhorn sights.... from all of the guns I have...THIS ONE is my favorite for the reasons mentioned in this video. Not only for the ammo but the beauty of the gun itself, the heavy octagonal barrel , yet it is very sleek in my hands and feels so so good!... The straight wall case allows you to handload this out in the field with a LEE Field loader ! You can get the bullet mold and make your own bullets by the campfire, pour your powder in a premeasured crucible case and hand-press it tight there .... from 180g to 500g bullets !! that is versatility right there! The only thing I am thinking of is having it case hardened to show a unique blueing variation of color, but, I am afraid to change or alter from factory specs as they are becoming collectable. Shooting a 405 g bullet is more of a push to the shoulder than an uncomfortable snap from > 270 and above calibers...
I LOVE my BFR in 45-70.
I have a Pedersoli Sharps rifle in 45-70,I live in Florida and want to try it on a wild boar or maybe a bear,it's unbelievably accurate and very reliable too, nice informative show !!
It would be great to see a 10min talk on .204 ruger
I think from a modern day perspective it has 3 advantages over other cartridges 1. Its big bore cool. Its simply the most power 'common' round you can find, specifically in popular lever guns 2. Lever guns. Its perfect for tubular magazines, most people will add a lever gun to their collection so why not go big? We already have other guns we may shoot more often so who chose a 30-30 when you can go big bore instead. 3 Brush gun, unlike Spitzer bullets, these heavy flat nosed bullets don't deviate as much when going through brush. ALSO, with Ruger buying Marlin, tons of high quality lever guns are hitting the markets these days and almost all have a 45-70 option
i have only ever used a 45-70 with 430 grain hard casts up here in Alaska from everything from blacktail deer to bison
Have you ever tried the HSM 430 grain +p ammo is this what you are talking about because I agree really nice ammo with a pleasant punch.
One 45-70 round you might try is the Hornady 250 grain lever revolution mono flex all copper round. They have a really fast velocity and are very accurate and I prefer them to the 325 grain they make.
@@kevinrollman3101 yes! very decent ammo for the price. before i started reloading, HSM were mostly what i shot, but underwood and buffalo bore are the brands i would go with just becuase they pack a little more of a punch
@@kevinrollman3101 they are pretty accurate, but they are shit when it comes to holding together in anything bigger than a whitetail. with a 45-70 i dont find the need for expanding bullets
It is amazing how many iconic firearms and calibers were birthed in or around 1873.
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Love my case color henry. I bought the 357 carbine with octagon. Soo purdy.
I like the sound of this dream rifle