lolita fashion ≠ lolita book it is just a girls name my abuelita and sister both are named delores and go by lola/lolita bloomers are just the original safety shorts
You may find it cute, but the predators love it more. Yall don’t know how many crazy people are out there. I understand some netizens if it’s about stuff like this. If the group was all 18+ then ok, but unfortunately that is not the case.
You don’t think creep don’t droll over NewJeans when they first debut? Even if they cover head to toes creep will still droll over them because they are underage. Nobody think of this when they debut children but someone make big deal about undergarment that are as long as skirt.
I’ll never understand why companies debut underage idols (I mean we all know the reason, but just can’t prove it). If they debut women then at least half of the controversy would be moot
Because money outweighs controversy in the eyes of a company. Many people are drawn to the young, bubbly personality. This can be positive attraction, like teens who are romantically attracted or people who find childlike innocence cute in a wholesome way, or negative attraction, like creepy old people who are sexually attracted to childlike images. In the eyes of the company however, both types of people are the same, so they just market to the whole group.
@@wouldntglidingbefaster1704 we can tell ourselves it’s for marketing, but we all know it’s the creeps who spend the most. That’s who these idols are really for and it’s fucking gross. Dollars over everything else, I guess.
Most people in the actual Elegant Gothic Lolita (EGL) fashion community are actually strictly against it being associated with anything sexual. Especially when it happens to share a name with that book/movie but is not related at all. EGL is a counter culture fashion movement so it’d be nice to see more people that aren’t in the community understanding that there’s nothing wrong with Lolita fashion. THAT SAID- bloomers as safety shorts with these outfits are just not the look.
I swear XG did the same for puppet show and no one said anything. I just feel like people are picking at stuff now. I get that there's a ton of drama going on around them right now, but there's no need to bring about unrelated topics and make them seem negative when they arent.
@@yasminchan7425 3/5 members are 20. stop infantilizing grown up. and mind you, lolita fashion has NOTHING to do with the lolita novel. the fashion consists of gothic and french rococo elements. this is so dumb
This group has been going through so much since debut, I bet they're gonna be the biggest in the following years. The most hated always become the most loved.
I don't blame them for being concerned about underage groups being associated with lolita concepts because k-pop has a long history of sexualizing minors, except these days it's with actual minors lol. I don't see it as hating on the group. I really hope that wasn't the stylists intention & that they didn't know the history behind lolita. These bloomers are super cute and go with the skirt hem really well.
I don’t even like illit and I do think this was hella inappropriate for such young girls but how the hell do you think it’s normal to screen shot the moment when the skirt lifts up. I mean you’re asking to look at it. When I saw the tweet I was so weirded out. Like what do you mean you screen shot under a skirt of a 16 year old girl.
Okay, thats it, I have a couple things to say. 1. This isnt ok, in fact, this is EVEN WORSE Than seeing female idols "safety shorts".. .and mind you, it was ALREADY REALLY BAD that we could see their safety shorts! 2. This is NOT what it seems like it is, this is DEPRAVED and TRULY heartbreaking. Here, look, ill try to explain both... hopefully without getting deleted. Eell see, that may be hard considering the road this little trip is going to have to take us down. OK, so, #1... The regular safety shorts, as it was... are already BAD ENOUGH in how these labels choose to RELY o n them, and DISPLAY them. If you can see them.... then the fact that you can is automatically your SECOND biggest issue. Safety shorts are meant to be a level of defense against 3 things. A wardrobe malfunction, weather playjng with physics, and a lack of a gap between the stage and the fans. (Aka, unfortunate stage height + crowd height.) They are LITERALLY a second (well, hopefully second! Lol) pair of undergarments. To put it simply, Safety shorts are to K-pop as Spanks are to cheerleading. In fact, they literally make them AS a kind of underwear now, called "boy shorts"... its the result of countless women stealing their boyfriends briefs and just folding the top down untill they are pulled tight. Which is exactly the point here.... all of the normal black safety shorts that these ladies usually wear ARE TIGHT. Because THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWEAR, the only "difference" and the reason the were used in the first place, is that the material goes all the way to the inner leg and then tightens around your leg. Its LITERALLY there ONLY so that if someone ACCIDENTALLY sees up your skirt because maybe... you are doing some acrobatics, of (and because this is the time we live in, haha) if your choreography happens to involve a spread eagle crotch flash... then we aren't going to see anything beyond a wall of fabric. Albeit that wall of fabric is 100% flush againsyour body and LITERALLY covering the Bt ARE ASS MINIMUM. (Seriously, if a guy EVER did that in the USA, he would straight up be arrested for indecency and lude sexual behavior in the presence of minors. After all, theres a LOT of minors in the fandoms. Moreover, because so many of the girls in kpop are also minors, the labels would find themselves in hot water in the US if undergarments were purposefully being shown. Either by way of suggestive choreography, or purposefully styles skirts in combination with the undergarments.) Which of course bring us to... #2. Because there are full grown adults in the crowd, just as there are kids. Therefore, to be completely frank, the revealing clothing... whether it be skin it reveals OR THIS. Which im sorry, but is a pedobear fantacy of seeing gnup littls girls skirts specifically. They dont want to see anything sexy, they WANT innocent. And theres nothing more innoce then fluffy bloomers. Howeve, if there are being seen due to the specific styling AND the choreography, then its NOT innocent. Its just one of the most basic fetishes of kiddy lovers. People often think that putting adult clothes on kids is the problem, but its not. Its keeping them looking innocent whilst teasing that said innocence is RIGHT THERE, like a carrot on a stick. THAT is what they want, and THAT Is why this is actually SO GROSS. If you act like the minors are no different from the older girls, and if you dress them all NORMALLY, but within the just barely an adult range of style.... THAT is how you protect the minors. You dont MAKE THE INNOCENCE STAND OUT, and you DEFINITELY dont act like its ok to have a skirt go up and get a face full of bloomer, any more than you would a skirt going up and seeing a thong. One is adult, one is chilish, but BOTH ARE FETISHES, and ONLY ONE of them is acceptable. After all, yes, we have exotic dancers nd they are completely accepted! Heck, even rather respected these days if anything. Meanwhile, we also have state correctional facilities FULL of inmates whom DO NOT ACCEPT kiddy lovers in amongst their population, EVER! Care to guess what happens to them when they get convicted themselves?! They definitely dont have theirnown special floor, thats for sure. So when the violent offenders, those who have taken other mens lives for a pack of gum, when they cant stamd you. Thats saying something. So when they find one, they PUT THEM DOWN. In fact, over here, those sickos are.focrcex fo will form a whole backstory of being guilty of massive war crimes before they admit their true ones. In other words, the only thing WORSE than sexualizing the very things that represent innocence... are those whom that sort of effort targets and draaws into the fandoms. SO, the fact that SO MANY commentators think its okay, is a big part of WHY they are doing this.
But these are blooomers, not safety shorts. Bloomers are worn underneath something to make it poof but they themselves are shorts and can be worn as it is. They're supposed to be seen unlike safety shorts. They're longer than safety shorts and they're not tight on the skin. We wear bloomers and skirts back in my cheerleading days and it feels secure and doesn't make us feel conscious even if our bloomers are seen. Because of the garter on the legs, the length is kinda fixed because of the garters even when you do a headstand. No one is gonna see your crotch with a bloomer that's for sure.
First of all, why on earth are people so obsessed with the underwear of these young women? That's Just sooo cringing and creepy!🙈 Please stop this nonsense, it's weird!🫣
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Tbh it fits their outfits more. I feel like the usual black shorts would've looked out of place and they work better with the poofy skirts
safety shorts aren't always black, but i agree with your point. they fit more with their dresses
They fit more with their p3do concept tbh
@@daxxgaming2567 pedo concept? wtf is wrong with you
@@daxxgaming2567 pedo concept? What?
@@samcarmen bloomers are p3do concept, they sell those to old men in japan and is quite lucrative side hustle for teenage girls
why are they looking at the shorts of literal children???
Why is the stylist giving the children short skirts so WE CAN SEE THEIR UNDERWEAR WITHOUT WANTING TO
How can you see their underwear through their safety shorts???
It just fits their aesthetic I don’t think it’s that serious
I hope so. Cause when i was younger some of my friends sexualised that kind of fluffy shorts.
Yep the p3do aesthetic 😅
Right. The aesthetic being pedophilia centric
I love those shorts they're cute
Why are they even looking at their shorts?
Sadly you know how people are.
Because they were unusual and odd shorts?
Because their longer than the skirt and supper unusual
@@beetasty6915at least it’s longer skirt
Bcuz their p3do like everyone at belift 😂
But Lolita fashion isn't bad tho😭 I think they're getting the book and the fashion style mixed up
That and the fact that Lolita fashion is heavily sexualized
Right like now I’m a bit offended cuz I love Lolita fashion 😭
@@SweetbugflowerKpop idol are being sexualize too no matter what they do. Lolita is the last thing you should worry about
Do they even know what lolita fashion is? It has nothing to do with segzual stuff.
XG did the same thing and no one said anything. People only have something to say because it's ILLIT.
Idk why Hybe is making this girl group so controversial 🤔😕
It’s not Hybe who make them controversial
It’s people who obsessed to them they can’t leave alone ILLIT
So they search everything to make controversy
@@poppies3752 yeah
hybe isn't making them controversial.
In what way is this inappropriate. Its fits the group's concept and at least they have safety shorts.
lolita fashion ≠ lolita book it is just a girls name my abuelita and sister both are named delores and go by lola/lolita bloomers are just the original safety shorts
Let’s not act like producers and company’s don’t have any intentions. The styling is obviously made with intentions
You may find it cute, but the predators love it more. Yall don’t know how many crazy people are out there. I understand some netizens if it’s about stuff like this. If the group was all 18+ then ok, but unfortunately that is not the case.
You don’t think creep don’t droll over NewJeans when they first debut? Even if they cover head to toes creep will still droll over them because they are underage. Nobody think of this when they debut children but someone make big deal about undergarment that are as long as skirt.
@@moonlightpaw5868 that’s why many people don’t want minors to debut
I’ll never understand why companies debut underage idols (I mean we all know the reason, but just can’t prove it). If they debut women then at least half of the controversy would be moot
Because money outweighs controversy in the eyes of a company. Many people are drawn to the young, bubbly personality. This can be positive attraction, like teens who are romantically attracted or people who find childlike innocence cute in a wholesome way, or negative attraction, like creepy old people who are sexually attracted to childlike images. In the eyes of the company however, both types of people are the same, so they just market to the whole group.
@@wouldntglidingbefaster1704 we can tell ourselves it’s for marketing, but we all know it’s the creeps who spend the most. That’s who these idols are really for and it’s fucking gross. Dollars over everything else, I guess.
Most people in the actual Elegant Gothic Lolita (EGL) fashion community are actually strictly against it being associated with anything sexual. Especially when it happens to share a name with that book/movie but is not related at all. EGL is a counter culture fashion movement so it’d be nice to see more people that aren’t in the community understanding that there’s nothing wrong with Lolita fashion. THAT SAID- bloomers as safety shorts with these outfits are just not the look.
I swear XG did the same for puppet show and no one said anything. I just feel like people are picking at stuff now. I get that there's a ton of drama going on around them right now, but there's no need to bring about unrelated topics and make them seem negative when they arent.
Maybe because xg are adults?
GROWN WOMEN CAN STILL WEAR LOLITA FASHION. THEY'RE BEING SO WEIRD.
Except for Yunah they all look like kids..
@@yasminchan7425 3/5 members are 20. stop infantilizing grown up. and mind you, lolita fashion has NOTHING to do with the lolita novel. the fashion consists of gothic and french rococo elements. this is so dumb
Ngl when i first saw em i thought they were wearing diapers 😭
This group has been going through so much since debut, I bet they're gonna be the biggest in the following years. The most hated always become the most loved.
I think it's cute but the safety shorts are black for a reason
Its really weird that This Is the topic of the conversation.
why not just leave it alone and let them do their thing?
It fit with their outfits sooo
They even got rid of it with their latest comeback
They are still safety shorts and they match their concept and style
I don't blame them for being concerned about underage groups being associated with lolita concepts because k-pop has a long history of sexualizing minors, except these days it's with actual minors lol. I don't see it as hating on the group. I really hope that wasn't the stylists intention & that they didn't know the history behind lolita. These bloomers are super cute and go with the skirt hem really well.
Can someone tell me where to find the fancams at 0:22 & 0:26 pls
Leave them alone
Imma be on the side of those who don’t understand why this is even being talked about.
its cute
Stop spreading hate toward idols.
I don’t even like illit and I do think this was hella inappropriate for such young girls but how the hell do you think it’s normal to screen shot the moment when the skirt lifts up. I mean you’re asking to look at it. When I saw the tweet I was so weirded out. Like what do you mean you screen shot under a skirt of a 16 year old girl.
Knetizens always have the most stupid "concerns".
why u looking there in the 1st place? 😂 man these kpop stans are weird
why tf theyre looking at their safety shorts
There opinions are ridiculous
Okay, thats it, I have a couple things to say. 1. This isnt ok, in fact, this is EVEN WORSE Than seeing female idols "safety shorts".. .and mind you, it was ALREADY REALLY BAD that we could see their safety shorts! 2. This is NOT what it seems like it is, this is DEPRAVED and TRULY heartbreaking. Here, look, ill try to explain both... hopefully without getting deleted. Eell see, that may be hard considering the road this little trip is going to have to take us down.
OK, so, #1... The regular safety shorts, as it was... are already BAD ENOUGH in how these labels choose to RELY o n them, and DISPLAY them. If you can see them.... then the fact that you can is automatically your SECOND biggest issue. Safety shorts are meant to be a level of defense against 3 things. A wardrobe malfunction, weather playjng with physics, and a lack of a gap between the stage and the fans. (Aka, unfortunate stage height + crowd height.) They are LITERALLY a second (well, hopefully second! Lol) pair of undergarments.
To put it simply, Safety shorts are to K-pop as Spanks are to cheerleading. In fact, they literally make them AS a kind of underwear now, called "boy shorts"... its the result of countless women stealing their boyfriends briefs and just folding the top down untill they are pulled tight.
Which is exactly the point here.... all of the normal black safety shorts that these ladies usually wear ARE TIGHT. Because THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWEAR, the only "difference" and the reason the were used in the first place, is that the material goes all the way to the inner leg and then tightens around your leg.
Its LITERALLY there ONLY so that if someone ACCIDENTALLY sees up your skirt because maybe... you are doing some acrobatics, of (and because this is the time we live in, haha) if your choreography happens to involve a spread eagle crotch flash... then we aren't going to see anything beyond a wall of fabric. Albeit that wall of fabric is 100% flush againsyour body and LITERALLY covering the Bt ARE ASS MINIMUM.
(Seriously, if a guy EVER did that in the USA, he would straight up be arrested for indecency and lude sexual behavior in the presence of minors. After all, theres a LOT of minors in the fandoms. Moreover, because so many of the girls in kpop are also minors, the labels would find themselves in hot water in the US if undergarments were purposefully being shown. Either by way of suggestive choreography, or purposefully styles skirts in combination with the undergarments.)
Which of course bring us to... #2. Because there are full grown adults in the crowd, just as there are kids. Therefore, to be completely frank, the revealing clothing... whether it be skin it reveals OR THIS. Which im sorry, but is a pedobear fantacy of seeing gnup littls girls skirts specifically. They dont want to see anything sexy, they WANT innocent. And theres nothing more innoce then fluffy bloomers. Howeve, if there are being seen due to the specific styling AND the choreography, then its NOT innocent. Its just one of the most basic fetishes of kiddy lovers.
People often think that putting adult clothes on kids is the problem, but its not. Its keeping them looking innocent whilst teasing that said innocence is RIGHT THERE, like a carrot on a stick. THAT is what they want, and THAT Is why this is actually SO GROSS. If you act like the minors are no different from the older girls, and if you dress them all NORMALLY, but within the just barely an adult range of style....
THAT is how you protect the minors. You dont MAKE THE INNOCENCE STAND OUT, and you DEFINITELY dont act like its ok to have a skirt go up and get a face full of bloomer, any more than you would a skirt going up and seeing a thong. One is adult, one is chilish, but BOTH ARE FETISHES, and ONLY ONE of them is acceptable.
After all, yes, we have exotic dancers nd they are completely accepted! Heck, even rather respected these days if anything. Meanwhile, we also have state correctional facilities FULL of inmates whom DO NOT ACCEPT kiddy lovers in amongst their population, EVER! Care to guess what happens to them when they get convicted themselves?! They definitely dont have theirnown special floor, thats for sure.
So when the violent offenders, those who have taken other mens lives for a pack of gum, when they cant stamd you. Thats saying something. So when they find one, they PUT THEM DOWN. In fact, over here, those sickos are.focrcex fo will form a whole backstory of being guilty of massive war crimes before they admit their true ones.
In other words, the only thing WORSE than sexualizing the very things that represent innocence... are those whom that sort of effort targets and draaws into the fandoms. SO, the fact that SO MANY commentators think its okay, is a big part of WHY they are doing this.
But these are blooomers, not safety shorts. Bloomers are worn underneath something to make it poof but they themselves are shorts and can be worn as it is. They're supposed to be seen unlike safety shorts. They're longer than safety shorts and they're not tight on the skin. We wear bloomers and skirts back in my cheerleading days and it feels secure and doesn't make us feel conscious even if our bloomers are seen. Because of the garter on the legs, the length is kinda fixed because of the garters even when you do a headstand. No one is gonna see your crotch with a bloomer that's for sure.
Imo it’s sometimes ok if you see safety shorts if an adult that is ok with short skirts or dresses
They can't let idols live alone !
It's not even a problem
First of all, why on earth are people so obsessed with the underwear of these young women? That's Just sooo cringing and creepy!🙈
Please stop this nonsense, it's weird!🫣