How Weak Are The Death Knights in Hearthstone?
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- The Death Knights were the first set of hero cards we got in Hearthstone, but that was in 2017, how bad are they now?
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I mean guldan did not see play untill kak
Could you do similar video but for zuljin hagata Reno and Dr boom?
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Wouldn’t hero power mage pop off..? I think frostlich would make it more brutal by applying life steal and elemental swarm to overpower someone. This makes any elemental battlecries life steal, and I think it’s a second win condition which would freeze meta Aggro decks using weapons of you get late enough to afford her.
Bloodreaver Gul'dan was actually insane when Cubelock was the meta. Your board could never be empty; just insane amounts of value.
*internal screaming intensifies* between that and I already had a problem with the raw strength of the hero power they got (I thought it should have been 2 damage, or 3 mana) I thought bloodreaver was busted. And still have a chip on my shoulder about it.
Cubelock was an absolute powerhouse
Last time the game was fun.
My favourite card in hearthstone by far. I Hope Cubelock will come back in wild some day maby with un nerfing possesed lackey
and combining it with Rin and Man'ari was even making it better! I had a very premium Cubelock deck that made me climb Legend in those good ol' days that I've dusted after 2 years :,,)
Fun fact: Rexar’s aoe has a secret interaction, "the arrows" acquire whatever properties the bow (weapon) he is currently using, like lifesteal or poisonous.
I'd imagine that could be because the weapon is giving the hero lifesteal/poisonous and the hero dealing damage to enemies in turn will inflict lifesteal or poisonous. Weapons don't really 'have' lifesteal, rather, they grant it to the hero.
If this were the case, I'd imagine any card working in a similar fashion (tamsin, cariel) would work the same way, but those classes often don't have access to such weapons (and cariel replaces the weapon, so it could never work).
Does this interact with Honorable Kill? Maybe you could abuse this to get a giant weapon. Probably wouldn’t be that insane, but if it works that’s a pretty nice combo.
@@cluelessmango768 There is a card that let u steal other weapon so this could be tested with Tasmin
Lokolah might make elemental shaman jaina a thing to bad I have no good elementals
@@cluelessmango768 I think that has to be the case, because weapons don't normally deal damage, the hero does. I mean, Perdition's Blade does deal damage, but most weapons don't.
I really loved Knights Of The Frozen Throne just because of the DK Heroes..
Midrange Hunter with DK was the best deck I have ever played. The fact that you could craft your own minion was just incredible. There were some spicy combos when you mixed some specific beasts.
Control Warlock was my favourite deck as well back in the days. It was really good, but it required some skill for sure.
God.. I miss these good old days.. :D
Let me tell you one thing: when I play wild, I love to play Genn Reno Warlock. And I still use DK card.
Malygos druid, control priest, death rattle hunter... was so much fun
Funnily Rexxar was not even that good when he came out. Only after they updated the minion pool two (or so?) expansions later and he got access to a lot of lifesteal beasts did he suddenly become good. REALLY good.
7/9/11 Lifesteal Rush never forget.
I see what you're getting at, but Cubelock (if that's what you're referring to) was certainly not "the good old days". I remember playing 10 games against the exact same Warlock deck on ladder, in a row. Boring and annoying as all hell to play against.
I think a more accurate title for this is "How Weak Are The Death Knights in today's meta". I think it's fair to compare not their design by today's standards but instead how efficient they were in the meta they were released in versus how efficient the current hero cards are in our meta today.
Power creeping has always been a thing in games and that affects the card design alot as the years go on, making alot of old cards incomparable to newer ones. I think a more objective way to view whether each Death Knight was "weak" is by seeing how good they were in the meta they were in because they were surrounded by roughly the same power level of cards.
For example, alot of the "weaker" Death Knights in the video didn't really account for the cards surrounding each class during the time that I believe were big factors in the design of the death knights:
Warrior had more cards with benefits if damaged, with Rotface, Death Revenant in addition to classic cards like Battle Rage and Frothing Berserker. Additionally, the weapon was great removal because it provided 3 charges of on average 8 damage spread out, or just 12 damage face. Since warrior ran dead man's hand as their answer to fatigue, a slightly more expensive whirlwind each turn enabled cards like the raptor summoner into special armor strong and shiny, blood warriors, Queen Mosh (if I remember correctly they nerfed her to 9 mana because of the hero power Mosh combo), the list goes on if we include other cards from expansions at that time because warrior constantly had these cards that benefited from being damaged.
Rogue was especially fun and strong in my opinion because of A. It's ability to grant you immunity for a turn and B. it's ability to copy cards you're normally restricted to only having 1 or 2 copies of. If I remember correctly, thief rogue was popular after the obnoxious quest rotated out so constantly having a way to either easily trigger combos by using the combo card before activating it with the shadow, or by generating extra value with battlecry value gens was very good.
Just listing things I think are worth noting. I agree that because of power creeping, the majority of the death knights are obsolete in today's meta but I don't think we could really call any of them "weak" in design. I still loved the video and like how you put your thoughts across Rarran!
Gona say this but its king mosh
@@kobban63 my bad! I completely forgot XD For some reason I always thought it was a girl (probably confused with Hunter quest reward wasn't that a girl dino)
Doesn't change the fact they suck now. I'd want to be able to play them again without dying....
Also, I disagree that cards from different time periods are "incomparable". There's been plenty of data back in the day to give you an overview of how good cards were in their heyday. But looking at them today and pointing out the insane power creep which left once-powerful cards virtually unplayable is a topic that's usually only talked about broadly. There aren't many videos talking about iconic cards feeling the ravages of time.
Terrible opinion waste of typing.
I know this is a year late but he was pretty much correct about the value of the hero cards at the time of play, except for Paladin. Paladin to win with the horseman was really good during its meta. But Mage, Druid, Warlock dominated the meta while Hunter was a aggro deck that allowed you to not completely die if you lost steam and try to find a win condition if your opponent stabilized the situation. No one player Rogue and Shaman was more of a meme especially the option for heroes wasn't that good unless you get Rag.
8:25 you for real?? Deathstalker Rexxar was, from what I remember of his time in standard, THE reason Hunter was so consistently viable. Sure, Zuljin’s battlecry is immediately more impactful, but Deathstalker Rexxar was able to solo against control decks basically. Hunters actually ran both Hero cards in the same deck back in Rastakhan because of this
I think basing the viability of these cards in current-day Standard purely off of 1 game in Wild is… a bit of a flawed way to evaluate the true strength of these cards, I guess? But then again, I guess there’s really no other options we can work with
Hey dude! It was more a joke, also didn’t only play one game, I just picked the best game for the video, but I agree with everything you said
@@Rarran Guess the joke went completely over my head then…. Uhhh, whoops.
I’m at least glad that you don’t base your opinion on a singular match (variance & all that). Do you ever livestream these games/have a VOD or archive channel to watch these all back?
Deathstalker is trash now, tavish is miles better. Wild games are much faster. The only old dks that sometimes see meta play are warlock's, and priest's. You may see the odd pala one too from time to time due to otk shenanigans as a tier 5-ish. Rest are so outclassed its ridiculous.
Hunter at that time was 50/50 its games was winnable but not always. Mage, Druid, Priest and Warlock was the meta at the time.
Paladin was also playable but it was in the same tier as hunter but Mage Warlock and priest were tier 1 at that time.
It's worth noting, there was a developer interview where they stated Shaman's DK was originally going to revolve around a freeze mechanic. This is further supported by their legendary seemingly feeling out of place with how the kit is supposed to work, essentially becoming the laughing stock of the class legendaries even to this day. I can't recall exactly what the original design entailed but we can hypothesie even by Thrall's VA that it involved freeze effects. I believe they mention his battlecry would have revolved around freezing the board and his hero power would have most likely given him the ability to freeze any minion, which would makes sense and synergise really well with Morabi. But obviously your opponent being unable to do anything to you and your entire mechanic revolving around that for a single class proved really boring so they went with an unexpected evolve mechanic which kinda ended up working? Like Evolve Shaman is fun but it always odd to me how it felt a big inconsistent with the whole DK theme that everyone class shared.
Yeah and i agree that evolve shaman is fun. im still using it with that hero card and weapon and i like high rolling some cool minions
And with my sometimes insane luck it somhow was quite consistent 😃
Also I forgot to mention this but they also an axe that allowed you to destroy any frozen minion which adds further credence to my theory that it got changed late in the design phase.
@@vulcanmemes9770 yeah because blizzard was trying to create freeze shaman but they didnt made enough freeze synergy cards in kotft but in alterac valley they gave enough support that freeze shaman became real thing
@@szymonj9377 I have no experience in game design myself but I would imagine they just didn't have a good concept of freeze that didn't feel like crap for both players. Even now cards like Snowfall Guardian draw the ire of the community because as a whole I just don't think freeze is that interesting of a mechanic, like you denied the other player from playing the game unless they use alot of spells, it feels way too polarizing.
@@vulcanmemes9770 yeah you're probably right but i was just saying anyway
Bloodreaver guldan was so broken when it had access to doomguard. In cubelock you could often summon like 3-4 doomguards for insane burst (not to mention a value board) when you played it.
Man the only Hunter deck what i loved is that Spell hunter was with deathknight card
That was my favourite deck in all of Hearthstone
And the weapon Rohk'delar (?) from the next expansion, Kobolds and Catacombs? Yeah, I played it that deck too, although I didnt have the Rexxar hero card. :,( Now Im trying to open old expansion decks to fill up the void.
That's also my favourite deck too) and it is still my favourite... All others decks don't given me that emotions. I missed that good time(
Man Zul'jin Hunter (I didn't run Rexxar though) was one of my favorite decks
I got Deathstalker Rexxar from a pack, made a face hunter (got it from a Kripp video) and included him, and fucking won against an entire priest deck basically using only his hero power lmao.
Genuinely the most cheese-filled experience I've ever had in Hearthstone. Will never forget it.
I love Deathstalker Rexxar, sadly Blizz seem like doesn't want Hunter to have good late game deck and only push for early game face hunter.....which I really hate it.
Its part of the whole class identity thing. I do agree that hunter should get some lategame support, but it also comes with the absolute least defensive hero power.
do you mean death. stalker. rexxar. ?
Well, big beast hunter is definitely playable right now. Reached legend with it last season so it can't be that bad. Check out Kiblers list if you are interested. That being said, hunter has by far the strongest and least defensive hero power, so a strategy that wins before mid-late game will almost always be the best for the class.
DS rexxar was amazing for lategame imo
@@bretert true, it was, but hunter doesnt have even half as many tools as other lategame decks
Frost lich jaina with wildfires and teckless apprentices would absolutely see play if any relevant elementals actually existed. Varden is broken, so is jaina....at least for standard, I'd think
Waaaaaaaay too slow in wild.
Still my favorite hs card ever...
Here as a wild player to note the cards in the current wild meta:
The 2 cards that have seen play since forever and have their own win conditions:
- Bloodreaver guldan has seen the last amount of play and in the current meta is too expensive to play in the Tier 1 reno-warlock.
- Shadowreaper anduin has been replaced with the priest quest for reno priest and therefore bringing an end to the Tier 1 raza-priest deck.
The rest of the death-nights see no play, you might play deathstalker rexxar in reno-hunter, ... but reno-hunter is not viable in the wild format.
And you addressed the rest in the video already: the cards are too expensive and the current hero cards are just better.
I think Valeera got underrated a bit.
Copying cards becomes stronger when the cards you have are stronger, totally possible there are some incredible combos with it atm
9 mana tho..
What do you mean!? The death knights are strong. Jaina, Anduin, Gul'Dan and Malfurion DKs are good. Sure, they got power crept, but that is another story all together.
No, that is exactly the story he is telling. Read the description.
@@longbow857 they didn't get power crept WHILE LIVE IN STANDARD. They got power crept after they were moved to wild lmfao. Big difference. These cards were all huge and all saw plat in KOTFT annnnd in K&C, til they were rotated out.
I agree on all except frost lich jaina. That dk was so good and would be even better with the hero power enhancements mage has now
She might be good enough, only one I was iffy on but varden is probs better than her, 9 mana is a spicy amount of mana
@@Rarran i know what you mean but if you have good enough amount of control and some good elemental that you can synergize with (like this elemental with corrupt that deals 12 damage) then this card can be quite good
Yes varden is better because he's cheaper and in right decks also insane but Jaina is still good imo and im still using her golden version i got from packs
I know it was fringe but the deal 8 damage to all minions deathrattle ele was pretty great if they couldn't kill you, you'd just nuke the board and heal everything.
@@satibel well yeah but you know that there is also elemental that deals 3 to all minions as Battlecry which with Jaina buff its simply shamans 8 mana lifesteal spell but 6 mana with 3/3 body
@@satibel i know you meant it as good board clear but problem with it is that its expensive and you have to kill it to do something
One thing that came to mind for me - and it depends on the how the mechanic works - but if Guff permanently sets your max mana to 20, I could see people being Guff for a couple of turns then swapping to Malfurion for the hero power flexibility. There comes a point where Guff's button just loses a ton of value and having the armor / attack may help you close out games.
I agree, ive considered adding Malfurion to my Nzoth Taunt Druid in wild
The ability to have a free card draw is very good though. You would usually go guff into mal only after you have stabilized
Deathstalker Rexxar was definitely one of my all time favorite, it's free minion out of vacuum every turn, and most of the time the combined minion effect make it incredibly strong.
what a nice trip down memory lane, those were (almost) the days when playing a 5 mana 2/2 and destroying it yourself the following turn to summon a voidlord on turn 6 was considered extremely broken, now i can get stoneborn general down on turn 2 and still risk losing the game! i definitely like the new cool mechanics we got but the nostalgic feeling 2017 hearthstone gives me will always warm my heart
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Ah such mixed memories of Frost Lich jaina and Shadow Anduin....Loved it when I played it, hated it when my opponent did 😅
This man is a master at miscommunication with what the title is and what he actually does in his videos
It's such a shame that Thrall is so weak considering how fun Evolve Shaman is. Also, Knights of the Frozen Throne might just be THE best expansion we ever had just due to the DK Heroes and how much content they gave us.
Once I lost my DK priest Anduin, I stopped playing hearthstone. I couldn't cope with the lost
Good memories. Reno Mage with Jaina was the most fun I've ever had in Hearthstone.
Maaan cubelock and raza priest were one hell of a thing, also malf made jade druid a thing together with spreading plague
Shadowreaper Anduin is still to this day my favorite card in the game, i have so many good memories playing heartstone back in the day
I remember playing alot of deathknights cards back then. Funky paladin exodia deck and mill rogue with Valeera were my absolute favourites.
My thoughts about DKs:
Warrior: really situative. Board clears? Warrior has plenty. And sacrificing armor stacking didn't worth it.
Paladin: OTK was fun. But otherwise... two 1/1 instead of 2/2 sounded better. Even in late game. And lifesteal? Pal had plenty of heal.
Mage: Elem mage was good deck. Very good.
Priest: we all know about miracle-style damage under Raza. 0-cost hero power, refreshing when you play a card? Totally OP.
Druid: overall great DK. Good for control and midrange.
Shaman: RNG fiesta continued.
Warlock: 1 patch and it went crazy!
Hunter: Great card for midrange decks. Totally was worth it.
Rogue: Kingsbane arch, guys. Kingsbane arch.
If ya don't mind me. I have my thoughts as well that does goes against yours tho.
Warrior: was the better control cards we had until it was rotated out and when paired with recruit warrior (which at the time was a tier 1 deck) did insanely good.
Paladin: made for a memey OTK if you were able to constantly refresh your hero power.
Mage: was the strongest DK in the game considering we had a huge elemental support with Journey to Un'goro
Priest: was the best when Raza made it 0 but when it was changed to 1 sadly fell from it's greatness.
Shaman: I agree here with it being RNG frenzy but the evolve mechanic was that in general.
Hunter: best midrange for hunter that basically handled reigns over control type decks.
Warlock: Was insanely good for the meta during Frozen Throne release just fell off after rumble. The patch screwed it over
Rouge: Kingsbane and thief was the best thing for it.
I loved playing the Death Knight Paladin OTK-Deck. Basically you played a heavy control paladin with brewmasters and stuff to get the horsemen back to your hand. onve you got 3 different ones in your hand and your hero power summoned the 4th you would OTK your opponent by playing the remaining 3 for 2 mana each and get the "destroy enemy hero"-effect. hillarious and insanely funny.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN FIVE YEARS SINCE KNIGHTS? JESUS
Blood reaver guldsn in a control deck where tou summoned an entire board of those 9 mana void walkers was judt *chefs kiss*
Nice video. Try to build serious decks with old heroes(include Hagatha, Boom, Zul'Jin) and new cards. Also try to build deck with old quests. Could be some un-expected discoveries.
I really want to play death knight again in standard. Uther was my favorite.
Rarran my man you forgot the ultimate control warrior hero card, the man himself Dr boom with that insane 7 armour
Deathknight Priest, Raza unchained, and any infinite spells, my beloved
The thing with the mage death knight, is if you increase its damage, you can overkill and still get the elemental, so if your able to play a slower deck, where you pump up the deathknights hero power, you can use it to control the board getting you water elementals and they can keep you healthy enough to keep chugging along the value train.
Frostlich Jaina is still one of my all time favorite Hearthstone cards and I wish we could get back to a meta like that one
So one thing to note for Frost Lich Jaina: Wildfire exists. I use her in a wild deck that is very hero power centric, and can force through a 4 damage hero power a few times a game. Sometimes more. And with Jan'alai summoning Ragnaros for 7 Mana, arguably the strongest elemental in the game, it's difficult to die once I've flipped, barring instakill effects like Purified Shard. I had Chef Nomi in an older itteration of the deck, since he summons 6 6/6 elementals when the game is near it's end. Typically I'd do this right after a Dragon caller Alana baited out the holdout sweeper effect in their hand
Would love to see you discuss Hagatha, Dr Boom, Zul’jin, Reno and the Galakronds
I wish that theyd release these as hero portraits. Id get them...
"THE LIGHT HAS BETRAYED ME!"
Blood Reaver Gul'Dan was great in Fatigue Warlock back in the day. You would summon 2 Voidwalkers for taunt and you would summon 2 Despicable Dreadlords that would deal 2 damage to your opponent's minions. It was such a great deck and I loved playing the mirror match because it came down to who would lifetap less. I think it would see play in standard, don't forget Mo'arg Forgefiend.
I feel like a couple of these didn't age too well lol
Uther of the Ebon Blade with Jailer basically guarantees your exodia,
Frost Lich Jaina is much better with elementals like Lokholar, Geddon and Neptulon.
The rest are pretty accurate though and its interesting to see how much has changed
Having played a lot of HS back then here's my personal rankings of the death knights at the time:
1. Shadow reaper anduin - allowed for absolutely degenerate level burn in reno priest, got raza nerfed at the time.
2. Malfurion the pestilent - Almost every druid deck (which were op) played this guy, the 1/5s allowed for really good stall and then just gave you a hero power upgrade. Not game breaking but it didn't need any synergy and so it ended up being played everywhere.
3. Bloodreaver guldan - Resummons doomguards and voidlords that you cheated out, excellent finisher, gives a pretty good hero power.
4. Deathstalker rexxar - Pretty good value engine + a board clear in hunter which previously lacked this for the most part. Could let you win value matchups you previously wouldn't have.
5. Frostlich Jaina - Was often played in control mage back then but that deck was not t1 for the majority of its lifetime. Gave really good survivability but overall a really slow card.
6. Valeera the Hollow - Ice block for 9 mana is still kinda playable. Besides stall, was mainly used to duplicate burn cards (or draw to fish for burn) to end the game.
7. Scourgelord Garrosh - The weapon is really good in control warrior but the hero power is not... in fact, sometimes it was worse than armor up depending on the matchup.
8. Uther of the Ebon Blade - Only really good for meme otk decks. Otherwise too slow. The weapon is good but not enough tempo to justify spending 9 mana.
9. Thrall, deathseer - RNG evolves tend to be underwhelming, especially as more and more lowrolls got added to the game. The hero power isn't that good either. Decks using evolve synergy cards like the 5/5 taunt guy that got cheaper tended to come out to slow to be good aggro but run out of steam to fast to be a good midrange deck.
I solely play wild and forgot that standard was a format at all, so this video confused me for a bit to say the least lol
frostlich jaina mage control was one of my favorite decks of all time and bringing her back with wildfires would be based
Yep also my favorite deck I've ever played. It just felt like a fair deck where you actually had some thinking to do to opimise your honourable killing.
@@longbow857 i mean horobel kill and kill are kinda not same brain is roting
@@kobban63 technically if it's only 1 damage it's the same.
If it's more then there will be a difference
Elemental Mage with Frost Lich Jaina was actually pretty solid
I would love to see the Death Knights back in standard
Deathstalker Rexxar is even more absurd when you combine with the questline.
Love Valeera in Tesspionage Rogue, still play it sometimes in Wild.
I remember the good old days of KOFT, Exodia Paladin was suuuuper niche, but god damn I loved playing it. Playing Burgly Bully to get coins and then using Auctionmaster Beardo to OTK the enemy was just great.
i used val the hollow in a elemental jade rogue deck, it was so fun
What seems cool with druid is you can run both hero cards. Play gruff 1st to for the battlecry then play Malfy when you're past 10 or 11 mana for late game
I feel like with the recent focus on elemental and freeze mages the Mage DK could see play again
It would be cool if arena had an event where every class would have one card slot dedicated to a Death Knight for like a week or month.
It probably wasn't at release, but I remember playing the rogue hero a lot, as the reflection was just insane with one of the weapons that kept all its buffs (that deck was busted). Also, the warrior hero I remember getting really far with in ladder, in mill warrior, where the whirlwind effect was crutial late game.
A lot of your videos have been popping into my feed lately (I don't know why), but what it really has thaught me is that whatever hearstone has become now, Im glad I left it long ago, because the structure it has now just seems...bad. or worse.
It just heavily dependent on matchups, Frost lich can be comparable with Varden as long you can throw in a lot of wildfire, Shadow Anduin is just Quest Hunter currently. Out of all these death knights I can say that Thrall needs RNG to win the game and Garrosh just get power crept by better cards nowadays.
I don't see anyone mentioning Uther. I remember playing the combo deck with the tiger to deal 25dmg holy fires by digging through the deck with immunities heals and draw. The hero card was simply a secondary win condition against ice block or big armor warrior/druid. One of the more fun decks I've played in hearthstone.
I just randomly saw your video, I dont know any of new hs cards, I havent player this game for like a year and a half, but I played a shit ton of old hero cards, actually I started this game when Blackrock mountain came out, good times xD
Uther was actually quite broken and easy to exodia. With the auctionmaster to refresh hero power on a spell you only needed to collect a couple of coins which at the time was easu to kill someone regardless if you started the board empty on your turn.
I missed the attrition based Frost Lich Jaina deck bakc in frozen throne ngl
i miss my secret hunter, summoning 4 3/3 wolves for 5 mana was the spice
Cariel and frost linch jaina are my favorite cards of all time. Hope paladin gets one more good control card at the mini set so I can grind control paladin:)
Honestly even with the way faster metagame I think Jaina could see play provided there are enough elementals around for her to use. Like "All your elementals have lifesteal" seems really minor on paper but with stuff like Baron Gedon basically being a full heal on legs, the moment DK Jaina got dropped she turned whatever game you were in into a control warrior tier game of attrition where the main winning strategy for the majority of decks was to completely ignore going face and just control the board until the mage player ran out of resources and just decked out.
Like everyone complains about Highlander Priest from the Frozen Throne era but at least that deck had the good graces to kill you in a reasonable timeframe. Jaina just turned every game she was in into a horrendous slog.
I currently play uther exodia paladin in wild and while it’s not as broken as some wild stuff it does get wins and can even pull off the combo (it’s Reno, the combo cards are Zola, big brewmaster, blackwald pixie and fencing instructor.)
Have you ever thought about making a video about old cards that would do well in this standard? You briefly touched on this in this video and so i thought if this could apply to some old cards also. A great example of this is lotheb, i think he would still do great, but would like to hear bout other cards as well
Raza Anduin is an INSANE combo. You can try a challange: put core cards from this deck (two above and some removal) and all the other cards must come from basic set. Such a deck is still OP.
The shaman one was really stronge with the Evo shaman meta coming this is I loved so much play it
Thrall deathseer might be a meme or worse than Brukan, but god he is the first card I like so much that I have to craft him in golden. He’s basically my first crafted golden card ever. And I still play him to this day in my wild evolve shaman. I just like the evolve mechanic that much to ever craft it golden.
I've always loved the original DK hero cards. After returning to the game I still own those cards, and got almost all of them (only missing Warrior and Druid Heroes). I even somehow managed to win som Wild matches using a janky evolve shaman with the Dk card.
Can't wait to see what Hero card would give to the newaly added Death Knight. I feel something like a corrupted Ner'Zul, The Bolver with the Helmet or Zooval would be perfect IMO.
valeera is definitly still playable i think. the stealth kinda nullifies the mana cost since your opponent can only buid board or deal with yours. If you don't have board the only option is to build. I don't know if rouge has any good board clear since i haven't played pretty much since the deathknights came out but if they have a decent one valeera can double it up and the value from doubling up your topdeck phase also makes her pretty strong, maybe not as good as rexxar's beast generation.
I recently played some random game with Good Old Rexxar against the new Tavish. I felt pity for how underwhelming his hero was.
love your vids!
I believe that Blizz acknowledged that the Shaman and Warrior death knights were underwhelming by then introducing Hagatha and Dr. Boom hero cards into the meta. And then they gave Zul’jin to Hunter, just so that Hunter could run two hero cards in their deck, and that was actually really fun.
Honestly is a rogue main I use both of those I actually have a c'thun deck with both with the regular c'thun and the consumed that gives you spells having that said using the 8 cost one to reduce the cost of the lira is actually pretty decent not to mention since it makes a copy of each card that you you can simply use the Spells twice now it doesn't necessarily make it to where it fills up faster but you are using double of whatever the Spells give you so like instead of destroying one minion you do two cause of valera the hollow or instead of 7 damage split among enemy's its 14 etc
jaina + geddon ended up being such good tech. I also ran this with Pyros & Nzoth and could basically always win vs control.
Honestly, the time where Deathstalker Rexxar was around was the only time I really played the game.
He was so much fun to play and it felt great to build the perfect beast to help you out.
I stopped playing after the Deathknights were rotated out.
Scourgelord Garrosh was my free legendary from KotFT. I'm still disappointed about it to this day.
Frost Lich Jana back then was pretty much the tea bagging emote of hs
How about a video about "THE BEST HS DECK OF ALL TIME" which features unnerfed aggro demon hunter.
I really liked your video where you compared classic cards with their power creeps. I saw some comments saying "Why would you compare them?" "It's clear which card is better" but I understand the idea and really liked that video (part 2 when? 0w0).
That's why I'd love to see gameplay of demon hunter when he was first introduced, preferably against a class that's not demon hunter and how he obliterates them.
I hope you still have gameplay from that era because I just searched it on CZcams and I couldn't find any early demon hunter gameplay, that's why I thought it would make a good "timeless video"
The mage Death knight hero is my favorite. It's a bit slow but If you can survive to use it while a decent elemental is on the field then you are set to win. I myself win 3/4 of my games with it. The downside of it is that it isn't good versus fast-paced decks.
Valeera would probably see play alongside Naga Giant. Play her and 2 8/8s, followed up with Rogues huge amount of value it has these days.
Garrosh was so bad that Rarran forgot to even play with him
Actually, in wild, Jaina is pretty strong in control mage decks because of the lifesteal swings and interaction with hero power buffs.
A wild player watching this with intrigue even tho i dont play standard XD
When these cards came out and you were at comic con san Diego they had a full Death Knight theme section with the frozen throne for pics, it was cool i think you got something if you attended, it was such a huge comic con with it being the comic con before Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War other companies brought their A game too. Nintendo, Blizzard, Netflix, Rick and Morty it was one of the best comic con and you didnt even have to attend Marvel and DC Pannels. There were celebrities everywhere, it was a memorable one wnd Blizzard went all out. The following comic cons wasn't that good since Marvel pulled back... And game of thrones hype died down. 2017 was a great year when Stranger Things was also was blowing up. Rick and Morty Season 3 coming out, they actually had the sauce too.
Could be cool to revisit this as a bracket.
16 players. Each of them choose a hero card from Frozen Throne or Alterac Valley. They cannot choose one that's already been chosen. Up to 8 heroes from each set can be chosen (so once the first 8 Alterac heroes are chosen, no more from Alterac can be chosen). This keeps the math simple and it means players aren't forced to play a hero they don't like (i.e. Thrall Deathseer).
Then just randomly pair off each player, format up to you, last hero standing is the winner.
Frost lich jaina's best decks were things like big spell mage and other mage control decks. Elemental mage was at best a fringe deck, while jaina was a great standalone card, being the wincon for every single control mage deck at the time
for some reason i remenber some really good rogue decks back then, i remenber they were fun aswell, cant exactly name them, long time ago
The power level of some of the DKs can't be judged in a vacuum or in the current power level. Druid had ultimate infestation and spreading plagues back in days and getting a bunch of 1/5 taunts and later buff them actually was in the meta of druid. So the druid DK actually make a lot of sense.
They were stronggggg I never want any part of Frost Lich Jaina again
My favorite was easily Rexxar, but that's probably because I was a largely a f2p player when I played, so I always valued these types of cards that allowed me to "cheat" out cards that I might not have in my collection. Sure, prince malchezaar probably hurts more than he helps due to stuffing your deck with legendaries you probably won't be able to use optimally, but without him I wouldn't be able to play with those legendaries at all. That's probably also the main reason I spent so much time playing that one challenge in blackrock mountain with the 30 unstable portals. Ultimately, of course, whizbang is probably the best single card for new/f2p/budget players due to giving you an actual full, synergistic deck that you otherwise wouldn't be able to play at all if you didn't unpack the right cards.
DK Thrall could maybe work in standard. Evolve effects also get weaker in wild as more minions get added to the pool and make it less consistent.
Shaman's DK had such a good adaptation from WoW
The identity CRYsis archetype
Jaina has the upside that we can buff our hp now
6:33 Tamsinwiches sounds like a pretty tasty card.
Lol what? Valeera saw a goddamn ton of competitive play!
a better way to try the hero card would have been a friendly match with the standard cards but you have access to the death knight instead of the hero cards that we have now