It's all about Input!
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- Stop forcing output and embrace input as the way of Language Acquisition! In this video Jeff Brown, professor, polyglot, and part-time stand-up comedian talks about the pitfalls of too much output and the benefits of input. Jeff Brown was keynote speaker at CCCFLC 2019 at Rio Honda Community College.
why didn't i find you 30 years ago!!
@Logan hahahaha🤣
@@LadyPinkster 😁
Should be question mark ?
@@gappuma7883 yes, it can be both !? At the same time too
@@gappuma7883rhetorical questions can be punctuated without a question mark
Now, THIS is an engaging teacher i'd like to listen talking for hours.
thanks :)
I believe your methods are absolutely the right ones from a linguistic standpoint. Your approach is honest and straightforward about what works. The only thing I can say about all your videos is your phonology always sounds marked, or, we might say it always "sounds non-native". The only issue with doing no output is you can't really learn phonemes without articulation, because you're not in someone else's body and you can't feel what their articulatory organs are doing.
I like to teach phonetics first, because phonetics gets the language in the body (it is an integral part of total physical response). When a baby learns they start with social context and phonetics/phonology. They acquire prosody first, then phonemes in conversational context, and before long they are acquiring lexicon and grammar through comprehensible input.
But the baby BABBLES first. People have to be able to "babble", as it were. They have to be able to test out their bodies in response to the new stimulus through mimicry. That's the difference between adult language acquisition and child language acquisition -- the child begins with the phonetic base, through mimicry and self-exploration. The adult skips this and so ends up with what is colloquially called "an accent" (which just means a type of phonology that indicates a social positioning of being a late acquirer, meaning an outsider to the core speaker group).
Personally I will use your methods exactly, but I would add some phonetic practice every day.
This guy is the real deal. You feel it in your gut and you want to take a course that he teaches. He is a competent, professional teacher. The so called polyglots who also post here just want to sell you a book, or a CD, or an app and make money. When it comes to actually teaching, they don’t have a clue.
Amen!!
this man changed my life
My mind is seriously exploding with these videos. It just makes so much sense. After years, literally years of using Anki to try to brute-force memorise individual words of Chinese, I want to try to learn more like this. Thank you for uploading these.
Thank you for editing the projector for us, it’s so nice to read :’)
This guy is such a lovable goofball, and it makes it even better that he’s a tried and true polyglot.
Hi guys, I've been an English language teacher for many years and it's been only a few months since I found out about Krashen and his hypothesis and I am totally excited about his research and now trying to implement all the new ways into my English classes. I've also started acquiring Spanish, Japanese and Ukrainian. There's no walls to acquire any language as we can see now.
One day i hope this method of teaching will be the norm for adult classes. It's quite easy to find immersion classes/schools for children and teenagers but hardly anything for adults.
This video made me both excited and somewhat depressed. Excited because it conveyed the speaker's excitement about the Natural Approach and its focus on comprehensible input, and depressed because it's what I wish my own language learning experience had been - six years of high school German, and I dropped my first college German class because I didn't understand what the professor was saying.
I'm now studying Yiddish, and there's a problem finding comprehensible input. Not a lot of children's books, not a lot of podcasts or movies. And not a lot of fluent speakers who will just talk to you. But this video has me wanting to put more time into reading than into memorizing vocabulary and pouring over grammar rules (which I do enjoy doing!). Thanks for posting.
This is amazing!!!!! You are changing peoples lives with this information. I have tried to learn french for several years and am still at A1 because my classes just cause me cognitive overload and I disassociate. Now I know I can just find a tutor, show them this method and learn in the way that works best for me. I cant thank you enough!
You don't need a tutor. You just need books and audiobooks.
When you're conveying information, you want to make sure that message spoken is loud and clear. We call that comprehensible input. And make it as simple as possible 🙂 Great. I got it!
I love this! Thank you, Jeff.
Best lecture I've ever had in my life
I'm so glad I've found this channel. Five months into learning Spanish and I was just about to give up - I don't seem to be able to retain anything and couldn't string a sentence together without staring into space for a couple minutes! I've watched some of your TPRS videos and I'm amazed how much I understand. I'm quitting Duolingo today somehow getting to Diamond League hasn't made me a better Spanish speaker, I'm going to watch your hilarious videos instead. Thank you so much!!
OMG. Thank you. You've made my day. This is the reason I made this video. Stop the madness. Find a Natural Approach Spanish class or one close to it and keep listening to my TPRS stories. Find a tutor or language exchange partner if you can.
Keep it up 😊👍
Something that really helped me is to watch Netflix in the language of interest, you can catch a lot from context and repetition. Btw I'm learning English and I would like to try the language exchange method recommended in this Chanel, if you're interested in finding a partner partner let me know :)
So helpful!
I made many mistakes while learning French, and also Korean. I studied by myself and forced myself to learn Hangul first, which wasn't difficult, but then I could never actually learn the Korean language. I knew how to read the words, but I never knew the meaning so it's really pointless.
I'll start from scratch using your method. Thanks a lot! 💜
한국어 배우기 어려울 것 같아요 ㅜㅠ
힘내세요 화이팅^^
How lucky they are having teacher like you
Oh teacher you opened my eyes.
Awesome.
Thanks Jeff for your wonderful video! I can listen to you talking for the whole day !!! I'm now learning Mandarin and luckily I found your video. Thanks buchesss!!!
Perfect video Sir ! Very useful!
Loved your way of teaching
This channel and the videos are helping me so much!
You should all watch the way he acquired Arabic video , he is such an inspiration
Do you have the link?
@@MohamedOmar-wh4zc
Salam aleykoum just type this title on youtube
How to acquire any language Not learn it!
Thanks so much for posting this! I learned a lot and will add it to my teaching style.
I can't belive this is free! Amazing!
Thanks Leticia :)
Thank you Jeff-san, it is very inspirational! Already applying your techniques in class!😊
I've been trying to learn Spanish for 5 years and not getting very far with fluency, but listening to your TPRS stories made something click and I feel much more confident. I love reading in Spanish too and saw rapid improvement with that. You are the best teacher! I'm so glad your stories are in Spanish!
Oh my god. You are so welcome. Just for that, I'm going to put more of my stories on CZcams.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 fantastic! Do you teach more advanced? Because I'm going to need something more challenging soon. Haha
Baselang
Love this!
02:51 min. mark. Excellent, Excellent Point!!! It would be a huge monkey taken off of a learner's back IF ONLY he or she understood this! "In the next hour I am simply going to think about learning 3.75 words, down pat. For, if I have them cold, I cannot help but learn 3,000 words by the time 800 hours is invested in my vocabulary drills!"
My take is, knock yourself out if you want to. How has that been working for you? Worth more than a passing thought. Thanks for taking some pressure off this pressure-cooker world, Jeff Brown. Cheers!
Highly disagree about the "too early for learning to read and write" concerning korean.
It takes less than 5 hours to fully learn and take-in the korean writing system and understanding it will provide you with so much intuitive and conscious knowledge on what feels natural/real for the language and what doesn't.
the hangeul writing system is the ENTRANCE DOOR to the korean language.
I totally agree. In Japanese too the hiragana helps you make sense of how the phonetic sounds and the rhythm of the language works. The kanji is a whole other issue, but even just explaining a few basic kanji can help give context to how words are structured.
Maybe in a class environment reading isn't as important, but I feel like skipping the basic writing systems entirely seems unnecessary.
Good to know!!! Thank you very much!
TPRS reminds me of stories spun around the campfire where a "talking stick" is passed around. The person with the stick gets a few minutes to add their spin to a story then the stick and the narration gets passed to the next person. Stories can get pretty fantastic.
Amen. Been here 10 years and only a little ahead of where you are in 1
I like your presentation, dear teacher.
Thank you! 😃
great info but more than that wonderful energy and joy and enthusiasm.. inspirational.. ;9)
Wish i had a teacher like you in high school, love this approach to learning languages
I came across this channel after my attempt to learn German. I live in Germany since Jan 2019 and I can speak and understand just a little bit. I'm italian and I think I speak, read and write English and I understand almost everything...and I never really studied it. Any tips for German? I'll start using your method right now in the while, reading your free book at the moment. Thanks again for all the outstanding content your giving us for free. I can kill to have a teacher like you! :)
P.S. one question: how to apply the same teaching method if you do not have access to a person talking to you and you're only option is to study by yourself?
I spent my whole school years studying a foreign language and passing the exams only end up knowing nothing now
Haha learning korean level 5 is no joke fun fun.... Great content pure gems shared... Learn lots❤️👍😘
Thank you 🤗
I spent two months speaking (and repeating repeating repeating!) as much English as possible with my students (while trying to keep to the material they wanted me to teach) because of my experience in your class. I like to think they had more fun (and actually acquired a bit more vocab) than if I had gone the traditional route. Thanks!
Gracias Maria!!!
Did you do TPRS? Chapo? Oprah? :)
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 I wish. I only get the kids an hour a day, twice a week (There's no way I'm doing Chapo down there! :-0), so I'm trying to figure out how to adapt to a short time, with no outside work being done (This class is a totally optional, after school program. And some kids are there only because of their parents, which is a challenge). I tried things like Go Fish, where they practiced "Do you have a __?" "Yes, I have a --." "No, I don't have a ---." Not sure if that's even TPRS, but after the first few times, they didn't need to read the board. And I do plan to go back, so I hope to plan ahead. I will see you in January!
@@marianneoberle I would do TPR and I'd do a short TPRS story every day and then have them read a short story. Check out my other video, "It's all about input." Fun.
I am a fan of languages learning, and your videos are so interesting. Babies are not forced to output, we don't ask them for homework, or translate grammar, or vocabulary, or memorize and no matter what, they acquire language! The challenge for adults is to take the time and be disciplined, because babies have all their time to acquire language, adults not.
But you can't compare a baby and someone who wants to learn a foreign language when he / she is a child, a teenager or an adult. It's just that - at least in school setting - there is no REAL need to learn a foreign language. As a baby it is you only way to be able to communicate with other humans later on. So it is a completely internal, intrinsic motivation.
@@disdonc6012 yes, I understand your opinion, and I think you are right.
@@GGV11 I don't think the method don't work or is bad, not at all. It is just very necessary that you are very active when learning a language and that you really want to learn it. With such a method it is even more important, I would say.
great presentation! Your grammar jail joke cracked me up 😂
Could you give us tips on how to read? You get your students to read for ten mins at the end/beginning and end, do you read the same thing multiple times on multiple days or do you read new things every day? What is the frequency of reviewing?
Comprehensible input and natural exposure to the language is the way to go.
Yeh but yur no f@#$in help in it unkumfdribil inglish chiyneeez dorfus
I love TPRS, and so do my students. I've had bad principals that blocked my progress. It's a shame that someone who doesn't understand acquisition is charged with evaluating us. Folks, if you have a crappy principal, don't give them more than two years.
Incredible
nice video and methodology.Applying your method, how much time does it take to learn speaking english?
I really like your teaching style!
Thank you! 😃
As Salaamu Alaikum! How does one gage the number of words in their targeted language? Arabic (MSA) is my target language. I can read & write it fairly well, but I don't always comprehend what I've read. I want to try the children's books & mags. However, I'm not sure if I have enough vocabulary yet. Lastly, where can I purchase such books & mags?
This is amazing. I wanted to ask what do you do with noisy students because I think this emphasis on input is great but what if students find it difficult to listen and want to chat - I'm thinking specifically about elementary school students here?
Go to NTPRS facebook site. There are several elementary teachers there. I teach college. One recommendation: Students have to ask permission to speak English.
Wow now I know what it would be like to be in Jeff Browns class. 😁
Ha ha!!
Hello! Your videos seem awesome and it really seems like your recommended methods work. I am starting on Japanese and I have hired a tutor, any ideas on what I should do at the beginning of a level 5 language? I am also basically fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese since I learned them when I was a child and of course English too. I have watched some of your videos but I still don't know exactly where to start. Thank you.
I am not into mind castling, big performing arts performance. I quite like the input idea and getting small but regular input in the learning language. This I will try. Not too much as i am a beginner and my head will hurt then i will quit. Though idea from this video is good for me to adjust to my preference in learning style.
If you are learning by yourself the most important part is doing something you enjoy. Idk which language you're learning, but maybe watch a tv show in said language? The most important thing is just to keep the subtitles off. You will pick out words you hear a lot by instinct, and you will, with enough watching and listening, learn the meaning of the words as well
¡Sí señor! 😊🙌☀️👏👏👏
Gracias ☺
I am conversational in Finnish, but I don't understand still when they talk fast and also I still have to think before I speak 80% of the time. Could the acquisition process help one get more fluid with speaking and understanding? Kiitos!
Very interesting
HI, I have a question, I need to learn vocabulary? what i mean is if i don't know a word do i have to look for it and see its definition in english and other? or don't i have to look for it? and learn it without using a dictionary, etc.
YOU ARE EPIC!!!
Awwww. Thank you.
this is so valuable, thank you
You're so welcome!
This exactly what AJ Hoge say in his effortless english
I feel like when it comes to the number of hours per session or week, I should balance between having fun (not really watching the time unless I have to) and keeping them within an hour or so (also depending on how many language parents or partners I get)...??
What do you think about bilingual books with target language easy text on the left and literal translation on the right?
Thank you very much for this video!
BAD IDEA
Thank you for your great video, Mr. Brown.
However, I have a question. In the video of learning Arabic, you said that it was not neccessary to learn reading and writing if someone wasn't fluent enough in the language. But in this video, you said that reading is an important input. So, which way should I follow?
I am teaching Vietnamese. Vietnamese has a latin alphabet. It's easy to learn in a short time. Should I teach the alphabet, pronunciation, and reading skills in the beginning of the class? Then, my students can read Vietnamese and have more input.
Hope to hear from you soon.
If the language does not use the Roman alphabet I recommend waiting to read and write. For example, Hindi, Farsi, Arabic, Japanese. But for Vietnamese, reading and writing can be done almost immediately.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 Thank you for your prompt response!
Are you still teaching Vietnamese? I’d love to find a teacher who can teach me using the natural approach! Let me know I’d be interested in becoming your student!
Where can i find an example of day 1 class for Arabic for example.
I love you! I found you this week. Could you give us any tips to learn language through tandem? How could we set our calls? I’m almost b1 in English after almost 13 years. Now I decided to learn it before March 2021. Please help me find the right way 😀
docs.google.com/document/d/12K2RE9d1TUe2IH89uiuqjDt70wghyzNexX8Nd3jfaC4/edit?usp=sharing
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 Please, give a medal to this man 🙏thank you 😁 I appreciate it.
Whoa that was a lot of info. Can I make a suggestion/request? Make more videos that focus on one part of what you covered in this video. And speak slower.
I'd love to see another video about how long it takes to learn a word. It was very interesting to hear many words students can aquire in a semester vs.how many words are in a textbook.
Another video could be about aquiring vs. the way school teaches. Definately keep the joke about being arrested for teaching a baby how school teaches. Ha ha!
What specific part would you like me to concentrate on? (I was very tired, therefore, speaking quickly).
The Automatic Language Growth people believe that around 800 hours of input is required - give or take. 800 hours being the equivalent to the amount of input a 22 month year old child gets. And for people like you following this approach, (you seem faster than others) something of this sort in the 500+ hour range seems true. However, in simultaneous bilingualism, kids learn two languages at once, so in the same 800 hours, a bilingual 22 month old child learned two languages. this brings me to the question I have for you: do you think it is actually the amount of time you spend listening to comprehensible input in the language or the year that it takes to listen to that input that provides acquisition? For example, would 500 hours in two months provide the same acquisition as 500 hours over a year? In your acquisition of languages using ALG type of exchanges, have you found that hours have been more of a predictor of acquisition or length of time studied to be?
Excellent question. 500 hours in one month is 17 hours per day. I think that's a little too much but there is no reason it can't work. I believe the Mormon church teaches their missionaries a lot of material in a very short time. But these students are super motivated. I myself could do it too. But I woukd prefer 8 hours per day instead of 17 hours per day. Babies get about 10 hours per day.
Can your input be anything like watching a movie you enjoy or a youtube video in your target language or does it have be very specific and easy in order to acquire the language?
It depends on your level in the language. As a beginner, you would still be learning, but it would be much more efficient to find videos specifically for language learners. As you get more comfortable, shows and and movies get much more interesting and useful.
Think of how a baby learns language. The baby isn't selective about the level of difficulty, the child simply pays attention to the words that they acquire easily & resonate with. It's important to have context, so for whatever you're watching, make sure that it's something you enjoy and something you can interpret through the video's body language or the environment. Me & my sister are watching all of our favorite Disney movies and we're re-reading the Harry Potter series in our target language. Bc we already know the plot and the character's lines by heart, we can obtain more of the language using context clues. Another thing I'm doing is watching travel videos of the foreign country I plan to visit and I watch comedic podcasts in that language as part of my entertainment. If it's not engaging, then I'm not going to acquire as much. I also downloaded the MusixMatch app to translate lyrics, so that I understand what I'm singing.
이걸 가지고 회사를 차리셔도 될듯합니다. 한국에서도 영어를 배우려고 천문학적인 돈을 씁니다.
전문적으로 튜더링할수있는 원어민을
가지고 장사하셔도 될듯
ex. 영어 6개월 과정 누구나 대화가 가능한.
Nice!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Do you TPR the sweet-16 verbs? How do you TPR more abstract verbs like "need" and "want" when TPR is basically just commands? I've been wondering for awhile now, it keeps me up at night.
Bump this
I do TPR the sweet 16 verbs but that's not enough. I mostly put them in stories. You can TPR "need". Use both hands closed fist like you're hoping or praying for something. You could look up the word in an ASL dictionary and use that gesture as the command.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 I see! Do you start TPRing other high-frequency verbs, or do you start with the sweet 16 (knowing that they'll need story-based input as well)?
@@kokoro2542 I start with high frequency verbs, that include the Sweet 16. I do 20 verbs per day with my students. They are up to 100 verbs (16 of which are sweet 16). For example, they include: brush your teeth, get up, wake up, smile, comb your hair, go to bed, put on your pijamas, etc.
what tprs online webstie can i use to learn by myself
First, sorry for my English. I have never learn English for real, I'll start soon.
So, when you are learning a language that way, How long it will take you to talk fluently(more or less)?
By the way, I'm from Israel, I'm a Hebrew native and I'm speaking Portuguese fluently (more or less) and I'm gonna start teach Hebrew for Portuguese speakers. So I'm kind of investigating languages learning methods the last 4-5 months.
I don't know because your first language is Hebrew. I would guess 1000 hours.
Tiene tiene tiene!
I believe that you can help me out of the jail,thank you sir.
I agree with his philosophy
Hi, your videos are very interesting.
Do you supervise master or phd students? I have master’s in TESOL. I’m very interested in doing research in this field.
No sorry
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 I’m sorry to hear that but I have learned a lot from you! Thank you.
You have tprs for online students
what ur taught on imitation.jyst by imitation will i able to speak fluently
As a slow processing adult with high motivation trying to learn Chinese as my second language with one year of intensive Chinese college instruction, where my reading comprehension for level 1 is fine, but my listening comprehension is crap.... what do you think will provide the most advancement in the most efficient way? I have found one TPRS tutor on the internet (but we only do movie talk, which is good, but more limiting than being in a classroom). I also watch as much Chinese television as I can get my hands on.
Good question. I am suspect of most language classes. I don't like most because they force output, speak English, do a lot of translation, and concentrate way too much on reading and writing. Find a tutor and pay the tutor. I paid $15 per hour here in Southern California. Don't hire a teacher. Hire a young ESL student and do magazines and children's stories. Don't concentrate on reading and writing. Do TPRS. Don't let him/her correct you. Don't do any tones.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 so I'm working with a "teacher" in china over skype we do a lot of storytelling and about once a week do a reading in chinese. We have in the past done movie talk. this is very slow, but I am hoping that in the end it works.
@@jessicamann684 Good for you. I'm surprised you've found someone abroad who actually uses TPRS. She/he is a keeper.
Hit Chinese on CZcams might help you.Young chinese girl using TRPS.
I've been reading books and other materials written in English for years. Yet, when it comes to using it, I mostly fail. I guess comprehensible input alone will not help that much. I wrote so much better ten years ago than now.
I’m learning German through input it’s working well for me and definitely more fun, and I’m learning pretty fast. I’ll update you right now I’m in A1
What input do you use?
How is your German now?
How is your German now?
with this pandemic, what can i do at home to learn speaking english using comprehensible input? THANKS
Use virtual meetings for one on one using the language exchange format, read text you can understand at least 90 percent.
You talk about commands in some of your videos. If I am correct you talked about having a list of about 150 commands you fall back on when you learn a new language. Is it possible to see that list? :)
docs.google.com/document/d/1_9RfmsUQpUTEg43TbcKQ678qD2AXfMePR8KdAEhshqs/edit?usp=sharing
docs.google.com/document/d/1whI1IJaL3h8FmAK8M0dsoQD5QUF8XcOex3ZkH10pT2E/edit?usp=sharing
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 Thankyou 😄
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 Thank you very much!
What video does he talk about the commands? I want to know more about it :)
Is CZcams tpr video help me to learn English because I am not good in English and I want to speak in English but in my circle not have any people who help me to English practice so what I do to learn English by own self currently I am graduated student but so bad I feel that I can not sppek in English due to this problem I am unemployed and my financial condition is so bad please help me I am a Hindi speakers
How do you evaluate your students using this program?
He gives the test in English.
Just kidding! He's 100% right about Input being the key to language learning but 100% wrong about Korean. You must learn Hangul (alphabet) first with proper enunciation.
I think a language lover like u should try Swahili. It has the most simple and regular verb conjugations of any language I’ve ever come across
Am kenyan🇰🇪 I speak Swahili it's really beautiful
How do I find someone in my area that teaches like you? What would I search for ?
check out the facebook group NTPRS
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 what tpr and tprs sites can i use, i will pay for the good one
QUESTION-I know you have to understand 90% of what you read but when you read is it ok to look up the definitions of the other 10%?? Thank you!
Yes please absolutely
“if you taught your baby this way, you’d be in jail”
American education- “Hahaha”
Logic- 😳😢
For comprehensive input, like watching films or movies or videos on CZcams in the chosen language, do you need to put subtitles on? Or just listen to the language and hope for the best...
Yes watch with subtitles of the same language (your target language, not your native one).
Watch and listen closely. Find the context. Connect what's being spoken to things you can see.
What are the sweet 16 verbs please ? 🙏🏼
See page 10 docs.google.com/document/d/12K2RE9d1TUe2IH89uiuqjDt70wghyzNexX8Nd3jfaC4/edit?usp=sharing
What are the sweet 16 verbs?
1. Go
2. Be
3. See
4. Hear
5. Come
6. Leave
7. Have
8. Bring
9. Can
10. Put
11. Want
12. Know
13. Give
14. Say
15. Be (existence)
16. Make
Got any tips for learning on your own? I'm trying to learn korean and I'm not sure there is anywhere close to me where I can learn it. Also with corona going on, how would someone learn a language on their own? Also watched your video about how to acquire any language :)
I don't think any languages can be acquired on your own. That's like asking, "I'd like to become a professional tennis player on my own." I just don't think it can be done. However, if you have a good acquired vocabuary of say 500 words, you could watch Korean cooking shows and "How to" shows in Korean on CZcams and this would help. I believe Steve Kaufman has acquired a number of languages on his own. Check out his videos.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 what if you just started learning the language and has pretty much no vocabulary? Should you study to get it before you start?
I wanna try to find a language parent, but I dont fully understand the technique, so it would be hard for me to explain what I need 😅
@@astridmaack4516 you need a language parent to teach you the first 500 words. Duolingo is not a language parent 😂 😂 😂
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 I see 😂 gonna be very difficult to learn I feel like, but I'll try to find someone to teach me.
Thanks 😊
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 what about online teaching sites like italki? you can send them that you have planned to just listen to them talk about a few pictures you've selected beforehand and try you comprehend what they are saying and occasionally try to ask questions in the language youre trying to acquire. or is being in person a big part of it?
As a French beginner I am excited about acquiring French through comprehensive input. Jeff I’m interested that you are keen for all your students to read their target language. How will they understand what they are reading if the spoken word isn’t yet understood? Just saying.
For French and Spanish I have my students read every day the stories we create the day before on Zoom. We read them together. Also my students start to read very very short novels in the 8th week of class, after about 40 hours of CI, but not during Zoom classes.
Thank you. That makes good sense. How many hours does it normally take for a English speaking person of average intelligence to start speaking French by comprehensive input? My definition of comprehensive input is solely listening to the French language being spoken by native speakers until at last it rubs off on you. ie No grammar and no attempting to speak the target language.
I forgot to tell you that I am not immersed but do live in the UK. Meeting French speakers is very far and few between. Most French speakers in England are here to acquire English so are not really interested in speaking their native language.
@@TheDurbanitejoller Hey PTL,
I know it's not a total answer but when it comes to reading you can get books that are written for people who don't know the language but do know English. There is one for french called le fracais par le methode nature or something. They tend to start out with simple sentences with cognate English words. I'm using similar tools to learn Latin and it's going well for me.
You also mentioned that most french are here in the UK to learn english. Have you been offering a swap? 1 Hour of French for 1 English? Also you can likely find some native french online to practice with later down the line once you have a few hundred hours under your belt.
Hope it's been going well for you in the last few months.
I have been learning German. Can I just listen and read a lot and do that for 3 months (for example) without any speaking and writing? It is so difficult for me to memorize something.
Yes. Absolutely. That's the whole idea. Just listen and read. You don't need to speak or write. But, everything you hear or read, you have to understand 90%.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 I've just started learning french, I don't know much and in my lessons I can't understand the teacher since the class is being taught primarily in French. When listening, reading or watching comprehensible input in french how can you acquire the language without understanding it? Would you put subtitles on? I feel like I just focus on the subtitles and take nothing in... 😩
@@x7SiNz--
The thing is, the input needs to be *comprehensible*. For example, if you know zero English and someone points to a picture of a dog and says "Dog… dog! This is a dog!" Even though you don't understand English you can comprehend the message.
So, when you ask "how can you acquire the language without understanding it?" the answer is: you can't. You need to comprehend the message, and then your brain naturally starts to work out which words do what and how they create meaning.
Over time you can comprehend more and more complicated messages. But, for optimal acquisition you need to be understanding 95%-98% of what is being said in order for your brain to work things out. Start very, very easy. TV shows for babies. Very simple picture books. A language partner who will point to pictures and say "this is a dog! this is a brown dog! is this dog blue? no! this is not a blue dog, this is a BROWN dog! This is a brown dog with FOUR paws! 1, 2, 3 4 paws! Does it have five paws? No, it has 1, 2 ,3, 4 paws. This is a brown dog with 4 paws." while making gestures and drawing to aid in your understanding. That will be comprehensible enough for you to start picking up the language from zero.
@@pianoslut853 right so I'll need to get someone to point at random things and say what it is and I will just repeat after? I tried earlier to look at children's TV programs in french and I was completely lost, I don't know more than a few words so practically 0 knowledge, basic introduction of you were to call it that. If you are not repeating what is being said to you constantly how is one meant to speak the language? Just curious because like I said my classes are primarily in French and it is the very basic level of learning and I still can not understand anything that is being said.
@@x7SiNz-- Search for every toddler and pre-schooler show on youtube in your target language. This kind of show where they teach that you should stop on the red signal of the traffic light and that there are 3 frogs eating flies etc. You don't have to be ashamed to watch this kind of shows. I'm currently learning japanese this way and you can believe me that you will discover new words EVERY DAY. If you can't understand a single word, try to connect the sounds to the visuals and pick out 2-3 words that you hear and put them into an online dictionary. Believe me, you will learn the language really fast, with correct intonation and from a source material that is produced for native speakers. Personally I don't take any notes while watching these shows. If I can't understand the situation/scene, I will look up 2-3 words in an online dictionary, have my "Oh, that's what it means" moment and resume. Next time you see this, you will hear the words more clearly and the fog of "not-understanding" will slowly disappear. Just keep on watching and re-watch the shows to the point you understand almost everything. If you reach this point, search for a new show to watch and enjoy. Just my 2 cents.
Hi everyone .I am looking for comprehensible input data or books of English .I am in need .Thanks a lot .
If you can find an old line of children's books called sweet pickles, it would help
I am trying to learn Korean but don't get very many opportunities where I live. I'm 15, poor, and my school only teaches Spanish and French. All I can do is what I find online. Do you have any recommendations?
Any Korean people where you live?
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 No, none that I know of.
@@im.bored9478 Look up language groups on Meetup.com. There may be a Korean or Polyglot group in your area. I found a language partner that way. Good luck!
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 Did you reply? I don't mean to bother, my phone might be messing up, sorry
Find people online using the apps hello talk and Tandem. I usually don't like trading online but it's better than nothing.
Great video! Allthough I find what you have said are interesting and meaningful, I can't agree with what you have said about not teaching learners of Korean language how to read and write Korean during their first year/semester. Unlike those character based languages like Chinese and Jpanese, Korean is alphabetic. It's only a matter of hours or maybe a day or two at most to learn how to read and write in Korean for ordinary adults.
I agree and disagree. I think you could teach students the alphabet but then don't spend anymore time teaching how to write or spell words. This is coming from someone that learned Korean in college for 2 years. My friends and I were more concerned about how to write and read words than we were about speaking because our written grades outweighed the speaking. I think if anything to learn Korean, the teacher should teach the alphabet, then assign short stories to read and listen to after every class. Also, only speak Korean to the students during class.
Any recommended resources for reading more about TPRS?
"Fluency through TPR Storytelling" 7th ed.
@@poly-glot-a-lot6457 The 8th edition is now out.
@@Bortrun yes but they took my name out of the 8th edition 😢
So that's why you're recommending 7th edition, from a childish grudge?