ULTIMATE Guide To Leather! Full Grain Vs Top Grain Vs Genuine Types & Grades

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    Ever spent a fortune on new leather shoes, only to watch them start peeling like a sunburned cow after just five minutes?. What did you waste your money on? And what can you to make sure it NEVER happens again? In today's video, we're going to break down the different types of leather, what they're used for, and what you should be looking for when you're buying leather shoes, gloves, jackets and bags.
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  • @RealMenRealStyle
    @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety +20

    Some of my best videos on leather and leather care:
    How to Clean, Condition and Polish Leather:
    czcams.com/video/ocsC7ygzLaQ/video.html
    Leather Sole vs. Rubber Sole Shoes: Which Is Better?
    czcams.com/video/VdW1XpJMm1Y/video.html
    3 Tips To Buying The Perfect Leather Jacket:
    czcams.com/video/pasYH3sRX0I/video.html
    Power & Sex Appeal from Suede:
    czcams.com/video/DR00uZXaHus/video.html
    Ultimate Guide to Suede Care:
    czcams.com/video/nct8d2DdduE/video.html
    $100 vs. $1000 Leather Bags:
    czcams.com/video/d6aPdEW74rI/video.html
    www.realmenrealstyle.com/ultimate-guide-leather-infographic/ -
    Click here to check out our Ultimate Leather Guide Infographic
    www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-tell-good-quality-leather/ - Click here to read the article - What Does Good Quality Leather Really Mean?
    Ever spent a fortune on new leather shoes, only to watch them start peeling like a sunburned cow after just five minutes?. What did you waste your money on? And what can you to make sure it NEVER happens again? In today's video, we're going to break down the different types of leather, what they're used for, and what you should be looking for when you're buying leather shoes, gloves, jackets and bags.
    www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-tell-good-quality-leather/ - Click here to read the article - What Does Good Quality Leather Really Mean?
    facebook.com/groups/rmrscommunity/ - Click HERE To Join our online Facebook Community.
    facebook.com/RealMenRealStyle/ - Like Us On Facebook.
    instagram.com/rmrstyle/ - Follow Us On Instagram.

    • @markjakobsen1334
      @markjakobsen1334 Před 6 lety

      I asked, and you delivered! Thank You!

    • @TheGreatest-vj5qy
      @TheGreatest-vj5qy Před 6 lety

      Real Men Real Style
      Video Idea: If You Want To Get People To Watch Your Videos More Do A Series Where You Get Guy's To Do A MakeOver.

  • @atharsami
    @atharsami Před 6 lety +20

    Never have i ever seen anyone sharing so much detail.

  • @douglasyong6939
    @douglasyong6939 Před 4 lety +24

    A salesman will insist that pvc is leather, so when I mention top grain.. thought I was speaking in another language

  • @aaronarguelles8322
    @aaronarguelles8322 Před 6 lety +11

    When that theme song comes on, all hands on deck! Gracias Antonio

  • @BenjaminBrown563
    @BenjaminBrown563 Před 6 lety +1

    Learned so much in this video. Thanks for the information Antonio. Semper Fi!!

  • @ahadsalim7109
    @ahadsalim7109 Před 6 lety +3

    Great video Antonio,
    You never fail to make a video of our likings.
    Keep it up.

  • @erickus36
    @erickus36 Před 6 lety

    Wow thank you so much for this video! So much informative now I know more about leather than ever before. This is very professional and ver appreciated! Thank you sir!

  • @omarfarhankhan7897
    @omarfarhankhan7897 Před 6 lety +1

    Wonderfully described. Great work Sir.
    Prayers and best wishes.

  • @aminsafa3418
    @aminsafa3418 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you Antonio, I had problem in understanding leather besics and now solved. Good Work

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      Glad you find it useful. Check out the leather infographic guide here: www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-tell-good-quality-leather/

  • @MattyVice
    @MattyVice Před 6 lety +2

    This video IMO was Antonio's best in some time. Natural, calm, professional, "not trying too hard,"

  • @wolffenhaus
    @wolffenhaus Před 6 lety

    There are innumerable informational videos on CZcams and I'm grateful for them. Real Men Real style is a stand alone channel. Warmth, humor informative without being condescending, this destination gets the job done.

  • @javierortiz3079
    @javierortiz3079 Před 6 lety +2

    very informative, great video. I'll keep this video in mind when picking out my next leather jacket

  • @LukeTuckett
    @LukeTuckett Před 6 lety +5

    Superb content, Antonio. You're a true expert in your field. I must voice my gratitude and support for what you're doing here! This is more than a channel; it's how you represent yourself, and you reel in quite a bit of respect from your audience. I'm sure your children will be inspired by your work one day!(:

  • @chrisj7531
    @chrisj7531 Před 6 lety

    This had so much good information. I learned something new today. Thank you Antonio!

  • @lawrence3242
    @lawrence3242 Před 6 lety +1

    As a kid I was very concerned about me appearance, I wore gant shirts, had brown and black wingtips and so on. I joined the marines then the army and retired as a first sergeant. Taught school for a period, drove a truck. Now I’m retired and 71 yrs old. I enjoy your channel and it is helping me become a better dresser and person. Stay calm and maintain the fire.

  • @rajeshn765
    @rajeshn765 Před 6 lety

    That was amazing, this video made my day, so much information i ve been lookig for.

  • @garyabrahams7609
    @garyabrahams7609 Před 6 lety

    Great Video Antonio. Thank you for the valued information and the research you put into the published content. It is highly appreciated and makes understanding of the topic so easier for me.

  • @BeAManTV
    @BeAManTV Před 6 lety

    This video was very informative. Keep them coming!

  • @PierluigiViscariello
    @PierluigiViscariello Před 6 měsíci

    A very professional and well made video!

  • @dlago1352
    @dlago1352 Před 6 lety +7

    Great video with love to detail. Very good explanations and examples. At the end it felt a bit rushed. 8 min are great, maybe 10 were even better. Will definitely see U in the next Video

  • @w1ck3dtruth73
    @w1ck3dtruth73 Před 6 lety +16

    I like the new layout and design of your latest episodes. This video was very informative, but I was hoping for a RMRS leather for guys who ride motorcycles and maybe a RMRS for military.

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety +1

      Check out my video here: www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-to-dress-for-motorcycle-men-tips/

    • @w1ck3dtruth73
      @w1ck3dtruth73 Před 6 lety

      Real Men Real Style I watched the video, informative, I was hoping for leather jacket types/ styles that you can wear on/ off the bike and look professional and still have the ability to keep you safe. I habe two cafe racers that I built, but I look out of place on them with my classic biker leather style

    • @LukeTuckett
      @LukeTuckett Před 6 lety +1

      W1ck3d Truth I've been searching for similar information, and I've found that doing research across multiple platforms has been the most helpful. If I were you, I would spend a good amount of time tagging some key words to the style that you fancy, and then search for acceptable examples using those terms. I looked online, in books, and even watched a few documentaries and movies to narrow my search. I also kept an eye out in my everyday life for good examples of what I wanted on others. Also, by giving friends and family examples of what you want, they can further help you identify what it is you're looking for. Sorry for the essay lol.

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      Good tip here Luke!

  • @NorthStarLeather
    @NorthStarLeather Před 6 lety

    Nice video! Thank you for not repeating some of the common myth out there! One of my biggest frustrations is debunking to my customers some of the misconceptions and oversimplification in my industry. I appreciate how you said that the different types aren’t really superior to others like lots of folks imply, much more a matter of taste for example: nubuck (top grain) vs Full Grain vs Embossed vs Suede. Only thing I’d be careful of would be to imply that “genuine leather” is always the split part, plenty of companies use the term as a simple descriptive for real. Red Wing Heritage Beckmans are a great example of “Genuine Leather” stamped on something high quality (and not suede). I’ve weirder with leather my whole life and this one of the most accurate videos I’ve seen posted.

  • @faridmahnad4985
    @faridmahnad4985 Před 6 lety

    Thank you so very much abntonio,
    it's been a while, but hey i was busy moving to another city.

  • @jdhsingi
    @jdhsingi Před 6 lety

    Very educational....thanks for sharing.

  • @Albert-fe8jx
    @Albert-fe8jx Před 6 lety

    Antonio, excellent content, as usual.

  • @nfitzsim
    @nfitzsim Před 6 lety

    Antonio, videos like this are why I began following your channel. I love picking up knowledge about things like leather, denim, and color matching. But all of the videos now (understandably) have sponsors thrown in the middle. It was refreshing to not have this video sponsored other than you promoting your own brand. Love the content, keep up the good work!

  • @loptsson
    @loptsson Před 6 lety

    Nice video, been looking at alot more leather goods lately and this came along at the right time. It is almost as if you are reading my mind hmmmmm.

  • @jackcolbry3741
    @jackcolbry3741 Před 6 lety +4

    Really finding the information engaging like always. I'm having trouble finding places with leather jackets my size. I still fall short of fitting into the store's XS sizes. Know any custom fit places that could work for me?

  • @shusas.fidele4414
    @shusas.fidele4414 Před 6 lety

    Anyone else noted that the picture you see when the RMRS notification pops up changed ! I personally prefer it to the older one ! Makes Antonio look more like a father figure ( in style ! ). Hahah ! Thumbs up RMRS !

  • @apacker21
    @apacker21 Před 6 lety

    Great timing Antonio. I will be purchasing a leather jacket in May during my travels in Peru. I will be looking at several different options but I'd like a great quality leather with a jacket that I can dress up if need be. Always great content. Thanks

  • @madhusudang9819
    @madhusudang9819 Před 6 lety

    Thanks for these informations... Really helpful...

  • @s3rmak123
    @s3rmak123 Před 6 lety +2

    Pure Gold!

  • @nunyubiznezz
    @nunyubiznezz Před 6 lety +3

    Live and learn!

  • @VectorMan321Z
    @VectorMan321Z Před 6 lety

    Great video. Need to reference this the next time I buy a leather jacket. I recently (days ago) bought a leather jacket from BODA SKIN. Can you do a review on their leather jackets and products? Thanks Antonio. Great content!

  • @robwelch1
    @robwelch1 Před 6 lety

    Great video...thank you for sharing.

  • @ARTUROSIERRALOPEZ
    @ARTUROSIERRALOPEZ Před 5 lety

    good info joe

  • @lambertking860
    @lambertking860 Před 6 lety

    Thanks for the video, very helpful. By the way, nice jacket. Where did you get it?
    Cheers!

  • @Oliver-wi1cq
    @Oliver-wi1cq Před 6 lety

    Very informative, thanks.

  • @astralman77
    @astralman77 Před 4 lety

    Very informative.

  • @jras0522
    @jras0522 Před 6 lety

    Yes, finally! :)

  • @sumbitspicy
    @sumbitspicy Před 6 lety

    I actually work in R and D for a leather manufacturing, interesting vid

  • @dkokalanov
    @dkokalanov Před 6 lety

    Nice video! There was no add inside which is highly appreciated!

  • @simonamotz1500
    @simonamotz1500 Před 6 lety +2

    Nice content

  • @gikaradi8793
    @gikaradi8793 Před 6 lety

    leather jackets ,shoes and accescoirs like belts etc are great to wear and they make us look fantastic and they are very practical . I want to thank very much all the poor animals that gave us their skin just for fashion. Thank you very much !! We (human.......) people love you

  • @muhammadjabr4986
    @muhammadjabr4986 Před 4 lety

    You’re the best !!

  • @joylfrancis
    @joylfrancis Před 6 lety +2

    Love the information! Ty

  • @aliboussis6432
    @aliboussis6432 Před 6 lety +2

    This Is really for real men nice content.

  • @ralphmarkasher
    @ralphmarkasher Před 6 lety

    Morning Marine, Do you still have that Navy Leather flight jacket? If so that is made of goat and have been going all the way back to the 30s. The Air Force version goes back to the Army Air Corps when the leather of choice was horsehide. Both of these were picked for there durability. I have my Navy and my Dad's Army jackets and they are still going strong. Keep up these great videos. Semper Fi!

  • @abrarabid1740
    @abrarabid1740 Před 2 lety

    Informative video

  • @midomorad4465
    @midomorad4465 Před 6 lety

    Interesting video ❤👍🏻

  • @omarestrada4328
    @omarestrada4328 Před 6 lety

    Antonio I love the jacket you are wearing in this video. Where could I find one like that?

  • @samuelsnowbarger2052
    @samuelsnowbarger2052 Před rokem

    I enjoyed this

  • @tahamulla2922
    @tahamulla2922 Před 6 lety +10

    Love leather jacket you're wearing

  • @joshuacardenas2809
    @joshuacardenas2809 Před 6 lety

    New logo nice!!

  • @stevepa999
    @stevepa999 Před 6 lety

    Good video. Can you also do a video explaining the difference in leather quality among different animals?

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      Hey Steve - I go into more detail in the article: www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-tell-good-quality-leather/

  • @Hedazu
    @Hedazu Před 6 lety

    Great video as always! but just as a suggestion I would like to see a video on how to recognize the different styles and qualities of leather on the go, when I'm buying a new jacket or any other leather item with photos of real leather

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety +1

      Check out the support article. I go into more detail here: www.realmenrealstyle.com/how-tell-good-quality-leather/

    • @Hedazu
      @Hedazu Před 6 lety

      Real Men Real Style Thanks, I will

  • @rob0619
    @rob0619 Před 6 lety +10

    Jacket brand in thumbnail? I must buy!

  • @Flopshel233
    @Flopshel233 Před 6 lety

    That jacket's flawless, what brand?

  • @TheJelenaL
    @TheJelenaL Před 5 lety

    I’m not a guy but I really appreciate this video

  • @sandorkocso1798
    @sandorkocso1798 Před 5 lety

    videos or tips about nappa leathrr jackets? i got one and can't return it. it's a 300$ massimo dutti. it's kind of much in our country and i dont't love the feel of nappa, but would be glad to hear something to make me to like it more :)

  • @joelstatosky1817
    @joelstatosky1817 Před 2 lety

    My top recommendation with buying leather is to buy the best you can possibly afford.

  • @heminder
    @heminder Před 6 lety +1

    Hey Antonio, how do you soften a thicker leather jacket? You mentioned that they used a treatment for the black jacket you had. I've tried oiling, Lexoling, kicking it around the floor, tumbling it, and what have you. The leather is still not as flexible and soft as some of my other jackets that I like. And tips? Much appreciated!

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety +1

      Have you tried the Leather Honey Conditioner? www.realmenrealstyle.com/clean-condition-polish-leather/

  • @medstud
    @medstud Před 4 lety +2

    Great video. When grading the leather quality and stating that 1 and 2nd grade leather are waterproof/resistant, does that mean that whenever we're told to avoid water with a product then it's 3/4rd grade leather? Seems odd since they usually recommend total dryness at all times for even the most premium leatherware :S

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Před 4 lety +1

      That always makes me laugh. Have you ever seen a cow carrying an umbrella.?

  • @chicagopapi6152
    @chicagopapi6152 Před 6 lety

    Have a joyful and blessed Passover. Chag Pesach Sameach. Shabbat Shalom.

  • @georgewright66
    @georgewright66 Před 5 lety

    Which leather is best for long lasting durability?

  • @dattadeshmukh4583
    @dattadeshmukh4583 Před 6 lety

    Make video on how to clean lather jackets wash

  • @jaichandbhambhu3410
    @jaichandbhambhu3410 Před 5 lety

    Thanks bro

  • @jackfordmac
    @jackfordmac Před 6 lety +1

    Leathers great, take care of it and lasts a real long time - and also gets better with age if taken care of, tells a story also, every age related mark comes with its own back story!

  • @abdulwahaab9026
    @abdulwahaab9026 Před 6 lety

    What leather is in car seats? Nice video

  • @vetiwearerdaimyo1592
    @vetiwearerdaimyo1592 Před 5 lety

    Where can I see Jacket from the thumbnail picture? make, model etc?

  • @Tatdude1957
    @Tatdude1957 Před 6 lety +2

    Any idea where to get that buffalo bag? That was a nice piece.

    • @rastrats
      @rastrats Před 3 lety

      There's a chap named William S. Cody out West...You're meant to source one yourself.

  • @jpjp9111
    @jpjp9111 Před 6 lety

    I was actually curious about leather qualities.

  • @ahamedabid305
    @ahamedabid305 Před 4 lety

    your jaket is very good, how much it is, can you say

  • @TheTojalc
    @TheTojalc Před 6 lety

    Please, what brand is that suede jacket?

  • @Zeek_1111
    @Zeek_1111 Před 6 lety

    when i saw the notification i had goosebumps

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      Did you like the video? :)

    • @Zeek_1111
      @Zeek_1111 Před 6 lety

      Absolutely,if you know how much i love leathers...you're so great continue to help men like me. thanks

  • @neitherlink6612
    @neitherlink6612 Před 6 lety

    Which is better, suade or nubuck?

  • @mustang1191
    @mustang1191 Před 4 lety

    I’ve never seen a 6-7oz leather jacket. Schott describes their jacket in 3.5 to 4oz Horween horsehide as ultra heavyweight. Is there different ways of measuring this?

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Před 4 lety

      Mostly the figure is the thickness in mm. 3.5 and 4 is fairly heavy.

  • @sidharthnambiath3161
    @sidharthnambiath3161 Před 5 lety

    Antonio looking like Han Solo!

  • @mikalrain
    @mikalrain Před 6 lety

    Wow! Educational and not infomercial or straight out commercial! Is this the return to the real Real Men Real Style?

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      I've always filmed non sponsored videos :)

    • @mikalrain
      @mikalrain Před 6 lety

      Real Men Real Style Yes, and especially those earlier ones are so useful they can be referenced numerous times!

  • @longpham4205
    @longpham4205 Před 4 lety

    Hello Antonio. I have difficult time trying to differentiate full grain, top grain and pepbled grain. I cant ask the shop owners either because fhey most of the time they dont even know these terms ( well we have a lot of unprofessional shopkeepers who dont even know what they are selling), and secondly, I dont trust them. I have read a lot of guides telling me to look for "pores" and "scars", however this features are very hard to spot. Can you please tell me how can you tell full grain leathet apart? I am ever grateful

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Před 4 lety

      The thickness of leather varies a lot across the hide and full grain used for clothing also needs to come from a young animal, in order not to be like the sole of a shoe.
      In order to be environmentally acceptable and ethical, most cowhide is a bi-product of the meat industry, so it is too thick for anything except biker racing suits.
      Top grain is therefore a better option, since the outer layer is the strongest and the thickness is uniform in the split.
      All surface leather has a slight natural grain, but any pebbling is done by heated rollers. The problem is that this leather is often poor quality and the finish can be covering up a multitude of problems. Wile it is considered acceptable to use fillers to cover up minor injury scars, some of this leather had deep scars and even rips.
      When using unfilled leather, the clothing manufacturer has to cut around any damage, so the price is increased,. However it is generally worthwhile and the manufacturer can plan the cuts by using damaged areas to make waistbands and trims, using the leather right up to the damage and minimizing waste.
      Genuine leather is the second split, so is weaker and far less durable. Pebbled leather is similar. Both are OK for lightweight fashion items, but unsuitable for almost anything else.
      When buying a jacket, the most important thing is honesty. If you pay $50, you are not going to expect top quality, but you should expect the quality to be consistent with the price tag. Sadly, this is not always the case.
      The other thing is the quality of the leather itself and the tanning and dying, which should by drum dyed rather than the dye sprayed onto the surface. Checking the colour of the inside of the leather will avoid this pitfall.
      In a nutshell, it is a minefield and you need to be very careful before you hand over your money. But you do not have to pay a fortune just for a label.
      India produce some top quality leather, so do not let that put you off, but again they also produce some rubbish. China have a poor reputation for quality leather.
      I hope that some of this has helped. rather than leaving you more confused.
      Regards, Wills.

  • @edcliszt7557
    @edcliszt7557 Před 3 lety

    Leather jackets: 3-4 ounces, 5-6...what are you referring to?

  • @faizmohammed7673
    @faizmohammed7673 Před 6 lety +1

    Nice very

  • @111danish111
    @111danish111 Před 5 lety

    What is the brand name of the leather jacket he is wearing ?

  • @universal_wisdom9381
    @universal_wisdom9381 Před 6 lety

    Song name for the intro?

  • @deccicator
    @deccicator Před 6 lety

    What product do you recommend to preserve the leather on my jacket ?

  • @KuyaNate
    @KuyaNate Před 6 lety

    Non leather versions of leather inspired looks would be interesting for those not comfortable with leather, but loves the look.

  • @kfl611
    @kfl611 Před rokem

    Is this basically true what you presented, to other animals, like sheep, goat, deer, elk, etc.?

  • @CezarSas
    @CezarSas Před 6 lety

    Hi, I'm looking for a nice full grain leather jacket. I'm trying to find some good brands that are in Italy and are not super expensive (more that 1.2k euros). I found some jackets from Belstaff for around 800€ in sale, is it worth or there are better brands? Thanks for the help

    • @armandol1826
      @armandol1826 Před 6 lety

      Cezar Sas diesel

    • @truespearmint
      @truespearmint Před 6 lety

      Cezar Sas Belstaff is a very great brand. They have a reputation for being a quality high end product.

  • @jimothyschurer6360
    @jimothyschurer6360 Před 4 lety

    Dude looks ready to fight spiderman

  • @krunalpatel3113
    @krunalpatel3113 Před 5 lety

    So, Sir which is the best lather for shoe.?? Genuine lather???

  • @EscobarStyle
    @EscobarStyle Před 6 lety

    Antonio, that’s a JL Rocha jacket correct?? Size medium 😁🙏🏼. Selling it by any chance? I’m your man

  • @alukardFE
    @alukardFE Před 6 lety +1

    Very nice video and great to see that you are not promoting anything in it!!!

  • @shayassaf9590
    @shayassaf9590 Před 6 lety

    Do a guide about denim

    • @RealMenRealStyle
      @RealMenRealStyle  Před 6 lety

      Can you be more specific?

    • @shayassaf9590
      @shayassaf9590 Před 6 lety

      Real Men Real Style Like this great guide about leather, do a guide about denim types, how denim is made ect.

  • @brandon4383.
    @brandon4383. Před 6 lety

    thats a shooters jacket. do you shoot?

  • @taqibabdurrahman3759
    @taqibabdurrahman3759 Před 6 lety

    You look like Vito scaletta with that leather jacket

  • @entere8745
    @entere8745 Před 4 lety

    Are leather jackets gangsta

  • @patriciaannelagumbay9355

    you go to Philippines

  • @anomnomnomnivore1350
    @anomnomnomnivore1350 Před 5 lety +1

    Let me put emphasis. If you buy a leather product, don’t pamper it. Leather is MEANT to be beat up!

  • @diarmuidbalfe7264
    @diarmuidbalfe7264 Před 6 lety

    Do leather accessories and shoes need to match a leather jacket?

  • @alexgreen4177
    @alexgreen4177 Před 5 lety

    I thought the infographic was a regional map of the U.S. for the first few seconds