8 Point Wooden Star - Easy Angles - No Table Saw!

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  • čas přidán 12. 11. 2023
  • How to make an 8 point star out of wood using only a miter saw. No table saw or complicated jigs required. I'll show you exactly how to set up your miter saw to make all these cuts with ease!
    I also show you how to make your own barn wood with a wire wheel on an angle grinder. Very cool!
    Some might recognize this star as the Star of Bethlehem but I think the knowledge and theory learned from this video could be applied to any style of eight point stars including the compass star. Stay tuned for a future video on that!
    Thanks for watching!
    Disclaimer: Use power tools at you own risk. Be careful and use you own judgement when watching my videos.
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Komentáře • 121

  • @dutchtennhard2860
    @dutchtennhard2860 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Without these details it's impossible to make this star

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Thanks! I was wondering if the video was too long but I think all the details are important.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @ardhityajakapermana307

    I've try this 1 from my 45° mittersaw by following all u're instruction procces also adding some modification for my mittersaw. Thanks 4 the tutor, that's help so much

  • @dottyjyoung
    @dottyjyoung Před 8 měsíci +1

    I love the wire effect, & the torch effect, but never thought to combine them. Thanks!

  • @dirtfarmer7472
    @dirtfarmer7472 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I think that I might try to make 1 for Christmas maybe for next year.

  • @guyward3928
    @guyward3928 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Can’t wait to try this. Been wondering how they were built. Thank you

  • @scotthancock6764
    @scotthancock6764 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice job, love working thru the process with you, much better than just being fed the answers.

  • @bjernegard
    @bjernegard Před 8 měsíci +1

    Very nice star, great job😊

  • @jeremyhuggins8796
    @jeremyhuggins8796 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video. Thanks for posting.

  • @briflemn
    @briflemn Před 8 měsíci +1

    I appreciate that you've passed on the results of your hard design work for us to use It struck me this AM that I can set up my radial arm saw using an angle finder to get really accurate cuts on all these angles.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      Happy to share! I used to have a radial arm saw, cool tool, accurate, a little scary.

    • @briflemn
      @briflemn Před 8 měsíci +2

      Love mine. In the process of making a new table and fence for it. Biggest issue (As I'm sure you know) is dust collection

  • @Dan-ol2rd
    @Dan-ol2rd Před 8 měsíci +4

    Very nice work, I like your explanations and your delivery, you are a very good teacher! Dan

  • @GINASUMMERS1
    @GINASUMMERS1 Před 8 měsíci +3

    This is AMAZING, I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS STAR SO BAD BUT DIDN'T KNOW HOW 😢 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING ❤❤❤

  • @curtisaitken7027
    @curtisaitken7027 Před 23 dny +1

    45 degrees possible the east way.
    Get a flat board. 1x4 (the 4 is horizontal flat on the cut surface the 1 is touching the back fence)
    Super glue it to the back fence of the saw.
    Cut a 45 both directions. 0 is now 45. Make cuts at 7.5degrees. 52.5 degrees.

  • @TeamProsperity
    @TeamProsperity Před 8 měsíci +1

    Excellent video with finish and assembly thanks

  • @joeandrewespinosa1041
    @joeandrewespinosa1041 Před 4 měsíci

    i just love the way you showed every step and very knowegable, thank you

  • @waynebright6452
    @waynebright6452 Před 8 měsíci +3

    That looks great. I can make some recommendations for the steep angle cut. It can be done with your jig setup, with the addition on a board mounted at the back as a sacrificial fence/zero clearance fence. the pull on the left-hand piece was from the from the point trying to wedge. another alternative is to mount the board on top of another 1x4 with some really good wide double-sided tape like Fastex, and insert it between the jig, and set the depth stop on the miter saw so you just cut through the top board. If you would combine the methods, you make the cut about as safe as it possibly can be, and basically have a zero clearance cut on the bottom and back tip.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      These are all great tips! Thank you!
      I will definitely try this. Much appreciated.

  • @imsowright90
    @imsowright90 Před 7 měsíci

    Neat build. Thanks for posting.

  • @johnhassan2074
    @johnhassan2074 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I really enjoyed this video. Unless you have a CNC machine the precise angles on these stars are a challenge but well worth it. You work like it do. Trial and error. I would also add before starting make sure you have some extra pieces for all the errors!
    There are a few good videos on how to use a miter saw to cut extreme angles
    Look forward to more of your videos
    Keep your drawings and sketches; they might be valuable when you become famous!
    Thanks for your honesty in this video
    John

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      There was a lot of trial and error in this video lol!. I like including my mistakes so people know it's perfectly normal to fumble a few times. Keep trying till you figure it out.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @Delboyu2525
    @Delboyu2525 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Excellent tutorial. I am thinking of trying a small chamfer on all the edges.

    • @markm3.16
      @markm3.16 Před 8 měsíci +1

      The chamfer on the inside cuts would make it look almost like an inlay.

  • @howardmorrison716
    @howardmorrison716 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great job

  • @michsportsfan2000
    @michsportsfan2000 Před 7 měsíci

    I like the video having your mistakes also because it makes me think more about it too and learn from it.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thanks! I think it's important to show case the mistakes as well. The best way to get better is to admit it's not perfect :).

  • @rickpouley7561
    @rickpouley7561 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That is perfect!!

  • @jameslamm9315
    @jameslamm9315 Před 3 měsíci

    Good job

  • @mdsigners1901
    @mdsigners1901 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You may want to consider building the star first and do the wire brush and charring afterwards. Building a 45 degree jig for making the steep angles allows for just adjusting a small amount for the additional angle as well as it will by design be set for the 45 degree cuts. Good project to try.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Definitely room for improvement. I will invest more time in a proper steep angle jig and try the wire wheel after assembly. I hope it still works with the grain patterns being in different directions but there is only one way to find out.

  • @davidjefferds8532
    @davidjefferds8532 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Very nice.

  • @robertsmith3518
    @robertsmith3518 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Nice ! I appreciate your ytv ,I need to slam one together. Thanks!

  • @David_11111
    @David_11111 Před 7 měsíci

    cool very nice

  • @dk2428
    @dk2428 Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent video. Learned some new tricks! New sub.

  • @cobrawoodworks7686
    @cobrawoodworks7686 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This was pretty incredible to see thanks for sharing!
    Just some thoughts/ideas:
    Instead of torching the wood it might be cool to try using and iron acetate solution. It'll darken/weather the wood (put some steel wool into white vinegar for 24hrs ish).
    With using a putty to fill gaps, have you tried using a plastic brush attachment for your drill to scrape away the excess putty caught in the grain? When I have done wood burning projects and want to reveal the grain and push out all the excess char, I've use the plastic brush attachments and it works pretty well to not scar the raised grain, but I typically burn before raising the grain. I wonder if the excess putty would get removed fairly easily without harming the raised grain.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      OMG this is an excellent tip! I think you're right about the plastic drill brush. I'll have to try it out. I've got a few extra stars I can practice on.
      I've played around with vinegar stain too, very neat process.
      Thanks!

  • @scottbionicnerf8727
    @scottbionicnerf8727 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hey brother. I checked out this video and great job on it. I know it was a bit of a looooong shoot, but, as with most creative ideas, Your Results Are Worth The 💦 sweat, and hours of contemplating, stirred in with a bit of frustration. We all want to make the perfect cut, the 1st time.(I'm speaking about myself.🤓)
    I'm guilty of measuring once, then cutting twice, and it's still to small.!!🤔😕😮‍💨(I did that when I was learning.... or, I should say, beginning to learn.😅)
    Great job showing the painstaking creative processes. I'm gonna begin making these stars you've inspired me to make, a long with a 157 Christmas Trees of various designs, angels, snow people, Mangers, Santa Faces, Santa Sleighs, party serving trays, and GOD only knows what else. Though, I'm gonna be doing mine with a circular (wish me Godspeed.) saw instead, because that's the one I have. 😎

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it!

  • @mattheweller4463
    @mattheweller4463 Před 7 měsíci

    Hey, awesome video, actually about to attempt this and a few other of your stars, my question is actually about the bamboo skewer dowel jig....can you make a video on that

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci

      I'm definitely going to have to make a video on that because I've had many requests for it. Thanks for watching!

  • @user-df5gg8tw6s
    @user-df5gg8tw6s Před 5 měsíci

    Great idea, will be trying to make my own shortly. For effect, how about an LED behind the hole in the centre??

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 5 měsíci

      That's actually a pretty cool idea. Having light shining through from the center...hmmm now you got me thinking. Thanks!

  • @markm3.16
    @markm3.16 Před 8 měsíci +1

    For the bottom point at 22.5° a 0 clearance fence across the back might help keep the piece from being pulled in. Maybe.🤔 Haven't tried it yet but just got the BOSCH miter saw and will try it soon.
    PS: Almost immediately I changed out that blade. I'm surprised BOSCH would embarrass themselves by putting their name on it. It's terrible as most blades that come with their tools. Much tear out.
    Thank you for your efforts in designing and sharing this beautiful star.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      It's a great saw! No regrets there. I am due for a new blade tho. I will keep working on that steep angle jig. The zero clearance should help
      Thanks!.

  • @MarthaMarcum
    @MarthaMarcum Před 7 měsíci

    I like it.

  • @jackcolgrove1326
    @jackcolgrove1326 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Love to see the rust and stains on your table saw…looks like mine at times😅😅😊

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      I tried cleaning it once and then spilled coffee on it...again lol.
      It's doubles as a workbench. 😎

  • @fdort3971
    @fdort3971 Před 5 měsíci +1

    @savvybuilds I really like the beveled edges...the contrast is pretty. Earlier in the video you placed the test pieces on top...I think you should do that! It would add another dimension and cover the center to disguise the gap.

    • @fdort3971
      @fdort3971 Před 5 měsíci +1

      The bamboo dowels I mean skewers definitely came from the dollarama! I have used them to help repair split wood! I drilled all the way through the broken piece the same thickness as the bamboo skewers. I glued through the split areas and the skewers. I tapped the skewers all the way through and then I tightly wrapped the broken wood together and used clamps...worked like a charm!

    • @fdort3971
      @fdort3971 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I really like the drill jig idea at the end...clever

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes Dollarama! lol They are great for all sorts of things. I fixed a broken chair that split with the same technique you described. Great way to reinforce!

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks!

    • @fdort3971
      @fdort3971 Před 5 měsíci

      @@savvybuilds exactly!

  • @marksigeti2022
    @marksigeti2022 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video. If I wanted to make a smaller star, maybe using a 2x4 how do you figure out the angles and length of cut?

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 2 měsíci

      Hi, thanks! All the angles stay the same no matter what the size it is. Just need to cut the pieces smaller.

  • @twindadcreations
    @twindadcreations Před 8 měsíci +7

    To make the 54 degree cut if your saw doesn’t cut that far, you can take a scrap piece of wood, cut it at 36 degrees, then clamp it to your fence and use it as a rest for the piece you are using for the star, move the blade back to zero degrees and make the cut. Hard to explain, but there are plenty of videos to show the method.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +3

      That would actually be a great work around. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Quick and simple too. Thanks!

    • @davidpingryn5628
      @davidpingryn5628 Před 8 měsíci +5

      I use that method a lot. If you think about it when you set your miter to 0 degrees you’re actually making a 90 degree cut so when you subtract 54 degrees from 90 you get 36 degrees so with the 36 degree jig you’re making a 54 degree cut. Does that make sense or did I just confuse everyone even more.

    • @norskibull2.021
      @norskibull2.021 Před 7 měsíci +2

      If you cut the scrap to 45, it works as an all around jig, forget off hand how the numbers go, but say you want a 60 degree cut, you’d line up to 15* on the saw, and so on. That way it’s more options but for just making this one star, your suggestion is probably easier to someone that’s never done what we are yappin about… happy holidays and a healthy new year

    • @norskibull2.021
      @norskibull2.021 Před 7 měsíci

      @@davidpingryn5628Im really gonna confuse the masses with my twist🤣

    • @norskibull2.021
      @norskibull2.021 Před 7 měsíci

      For this to work, you must cut your 45, then set the blade BACK to 0, bump the cut 45 piece into blade lightly and CLAMP down the cut 45 piece against the backstop on the LEFTSIDE. Then you just insert the work pieces into the 45* cut and chop chop chop. Not exactly for the inexperienced I’d say

  • @Mike-ou5ps
    @Mike-ou5ps Před 8 měsíci +3

    Howdy...I've been watching your star builds for about a year now I guess. I like them and been wanting to try a few, though I'd probably end up using a tablesaw and sled set up, probably a tapering jig. But it just seems like every time I finish a major project and think I've got time to do some "smalls", another large project falls in my lap.
    My mitersaw a.k.a. "chop saw" isn't a sliding miter and though it's a Dewalt, it only goes to 50° so, since alot of your cuts are at 54°, I'd end up having to make a jig anyways. Not to mention, the heavier the angle, the less wide of a board I could cut with a single pass.
    I know your videos tend to emphasize NOT using a jig....but perhaps you could make a video where you did use a jig and you could make a video on "that" process.
    I think you're making great videos. 👍 Please do NOT start doing tool reviews. It's one thing to show a tool you use, that's fine...just don't go down the "reviews" path....stick to building. 😊

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I suspect that I will make more and more technical videos as I progress with all sorts of jigs, including ones that could work on a saw like yours.
      I also want to start making videos about how to make the stars on a table saw. I think it will be more efficient and give me cleaner cuts but will definitely require some jigs.
      BUT before I go down that road I need to set up some kind of website where I can provide free/cheap plans. When I say cheap I mean the price of a cup of coffee.
      Thanks for watching! Cheers

  • @claytongardner9157
    @claytongardner9157 Před 7 měsíci

    What about making this star with the grain going straight? Of course it would take more wood and work? It seems like it would enhance the shine of the star. Also for the bevel, could you just stop sanding right before the inside point?
    Anyway, I have been looking for an eight point star video! So awesome, thanks!
    Clay

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks! Definitely a work in progress but it's a great start. There really isn't much out there on 8 point stars. Glad people are enjoying the vid. I'll try to perfect a few things for next year :). Thanks for watching!

  • @minjin0259
    @minjin0259 Před 2 měsíci

    To get rid of the gap in the middle, drill a hole with a Forstner bit, then add a piece of brass tubing, or a dowel hole plug. Then it looks like a design feature.

  • @richardstjohn7121
    @richardstjohn7121 Před 7 měsíci +1

    How would you make this closer to 5’ tip to tip and then also make the shorter points a little longer than what you have? I would be using a straight ended and circular saw as well as wider boards. My church logo is this star and want to build one to hang up in the front of the sanctuary. Thanks

  • @haroldobrien8550
    @haroldobrien8550 Před 4 měsíci

    At 10:28, where did you come up with 41/4? Took me a few tries but I think I got it. After you cut the larger pieces at 45, you measure the sides of the cut. That measurement is the width of the smaller pieces. Using this method you can use any width of board, 3, 4, even 6” board and make stars. When I watched you put it together I realized that the 54 degree cut on the small pieces lineup against the 45 degree cut of the big pieces.

  • @user-pz2bk9un1g
    @user-pz2bk9un1g Před 4 měsíci

    I just finished a 20 foot diameter Octagon deck. I saw your utube on the 8 point star. I would love to build one the will fit in the center of the octagon. I have tried several prototypes and the dimensions don't work out. My center opening is 19 1/2". Is there any chance you can supply the dimension's I need to complete this project?

  • @user-yo9sx4fr4l
    @user-yo9sx4fr4l Před 7 měsíci

    first let me say thanks for sharing. ive been worki g thru this video step by step to build one of these but cant seem yo get the proper length of the last 2 cuts. i set the 22.5 up and clamped it gently to my saw table. just cant seem to figure out the length on the last 2 cuts any advice?

  • @jeffchockley2673
    @jeffchockley2673 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you for sharing this build ! Can this be done succesfully with a board of 3 in width ? Can it be made larger ?

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci

      should work fine with any size board. Use the same angles and just line things up the way I do in the vid and you should get the same result but smaller or bigger. If going bigger, make sure your saw is big enough to handle that last longer piece.

    • @jeffchockley2673
      @jeffchockley2673 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@savvybuilds Thank you for replying ! I am in the middle of trying it now with 3 inch wide 3/4 inch plywood. Have everything cut and have glued pairs together. will let them dry tonight and glue each of those pairs together to make the whole star. See if it works then gonna do one with some hickory floor boards i have

  • @joyceboyle3206
    @joyceboyle3206 Před 7 měsíci

    The barnwood (rustic) style gives you leeway for "errors".
    IMHO it should NOT be perfect.
    Yours looks much more on the perfect side than mine ever will. 😊
    And i would love to know how you made that little pocket hole jig for dowels!

  • @minjin0259
    @minjin0259 Před 2 měsíci

    You can increase the angle that your saw will cut by cutting a board at 30 degrees, then clamp it to your table, then just add the degree that will equal the degree you want. Example: If you need to cut a 54 degree cut, just add 24 degrees to the miter saw, with the 30 degree board, and you're golden.

  • @dottielynch9763
    @dottielynch9763 Před 8 měsíci +1

    There are several YT videos that show how to make a jig for angles greater than most miter saws allow.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah i will admit I got a little lazy with my steep angle jig lol.
      Definitely gonna have to improve on that.

  • @timothybaker8234
    @timothybaker8234 Před 8 měsíci +3

    With the glue dry, drill out the center and tap in a decorative dowel. This will hide where all the points come together.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      That is a great idea! I never would have thought of that on my own. I'm enjoying all the feedback I'm getting. Thank you!

  • @kennnva551
    @kennnva551 Před 8 měsíci

    Do you have any guidance on how to make faceted (3-dimensional) 8-point stars? I found info and successfully made several 5-point faceted stars that were about 12" in diameter using a specialized sled for cutting the facets. But since there are 3 different lengths you're dealing with (versus one length for 5-point stars), coming up with the proper facet angle is real a challenge ... and I aced trigonometry 40-some years ago. I may also ask my sister who taught high school math and calculus.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I see what you mean...hmmm. My brain hurts just thinking about this but there's an idea I've been toying around with for making 3d stars with a 2x2. I haven't quite figured it out yet but I'll try it on a 5 point and then try the 8 point. Hard to explain.
      But to figure the angles, let's say to cut on a table saw, I'm stumped. I should learn how to do 3d CAD drawings to help speed up the trial and error process. Then I could figure the angles, I think. Would be a great challenge for a math teacher!

    • @kennnva551
      @kennnva551 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@savvybuilds I tried posting a link but YT deleted my post. You can try looking up making a Texas star and lumberjocks as that is where I got my inspiration.
      Basically, after using 1-1/2" thick x 3" wide stock for making the 5 parts of a 5-point start, I made a sled that tilts & clamps each piece up 60° from horizontal while the long edges are nested in a small notch in the edge of the sled base down low close to the table and parallel to the blade.
      I made the sled long enough to accommodate 2 clamping "stations" in order to cut opposing facets on each piece. Cut the first facet in the first "station" ... then flip it around to to cut the second side in the second "station." And of course, I cut another piece in the first station when I move the initial piece to the second station.
      After proving the concept, I started using stock glued together from 1-1/2" square walnut and oak to make the 1-1/2" x 3" blanks.

  • @craigmckinney2219
    @craigmckinney2219 Před 8 měsíci +1

    For the middle, find a dry oak branch. cut a slice and inlay it into the center.

  • @howardmorrison716
    @howardmorrison716 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Need a video for Star of David

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I might tackle that one next year some time. I'll try to come up with something creative. It poses a whole new set of angles and challenges but I think I'm up for the task!

  • @wolfgangmarcusriese1350
    @wolfgangmarcusriese1350 Před 8 měsíci

    Do you have an exact drawing with the degrees?

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Not yet, I'm trying to figure out the best option for making and selling plans. Or for providing them for free.

  • @silvanocasera8599
    @silvanocasera8599 Před měsícem

    is possible to used weth the 45

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před měsícem

      If you're saw only goes to 45 degrees, you need a steep angle jig.

  • @dmoehling
    @dmoehling Před 7 měsíci +1

    15 min in to a 26min video and he’s like my bad…. I messed up…. Let’s start over and re-cut everything. 😂

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci +1

      😆😆😆 My bad LOL! Thanks for watching till the end! Cheers

  • @matthewdavis6741
    @matthewdavis6741 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Thanks for pointing out its 3.5” in width 🤣 … you know…. For people who forget…. 🙃🙃

  • @dennisrushing6011
    @dennisrushing6011 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Try distressing after glue up

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah I think I'll have to try that. Not sure what I was thinking. I have a few extra stars laying around that I could experiment with.

  • @TJ_1
    @TJ_1 Před 7 měsíci

    How would I do this with a table saw???
    Edit: How long is the bottom piece?

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Making these on a table saw would be a different process using jigs. I have not made a video on that yet but I am planning one for the future.
      Length of the longest piece is 12-1/4"

    • @TJ_1
      @TJ_1 Před 7 měsíci

      @@savvybuildsThank you

  • @stephensneddon1059
    @stephensneddon1059 Před 7 měsíci

    Cut the wooden fence at 45° both way

  • @norskibull2.021
    @norskibull2.021 Před 7 měsíci

    Throw some fine sawdust in the gaps and you’re GOLDEN brother….

  • @matthewwilliams3671
    @matthewwilliams3671 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Be very careful with those wire wheels. They can throw bristles at a very high speed. I've gotten them embedded in my skin.

    • @savvybuilds
      @savvybuilds  Před 8 měsíci +1

      True! I always wear a full face sheild when using it. They go right through thin t-shirts too. I sometimes wear leather gloves but that can also be a danger.

  • @BarrySumpter
    @BarrySumpter Před 3 měsíci

    Just plunge the blade.

  • @joaopalmeiro5861
    @joaopalmeiro5861 Před 4 měsíci

    vergonhoso em portugal anuncios e publicidade enquanto assistimos ao programa

  • @johaneklund5083
    @johaneklund5083 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice work 👌🏽
    Can you do video in mm 🫣