TCM Race & Hollywood: Gone With The Wind pt1
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- This is an interesting story about how racism shaped many of the characters in Gone With The Wind. It features interviews with Charles S. Dutton, Donald Bogle, and Richard Wesley. It's one of many we did for TCM's Race & Hollywood series many years ago. Writer/producer Jean Franz worked with editor Michael Koepenick on this interstitial. The super cool intro and ending graphics were created by Eric Defino and Ray Gun.
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According to actress Juanita Moore, Hattie McDaniel took a lot of criticism for always portraying the hired help - her answer was "I'd rather play a maid than be one."
Amen! My great grandmother was a maid/Mammie to a white family. She was a faired skinned Black woman and could pass for white. Which afforded her the "privilege" to shop in stores where Blacks could not.
“You settin’ there waitin’ on him [voice lowers to a growl] jest like a spiduh!” That line ALONE gets Ms. McDaniel her Academy Award!
She depicts something about black people I like. They tell it like it is!
Yes, brilliant! She hissed it out, showing that she knew Scarlett so perfectly. Better than her own mother.
Hattie's last scene in the movie, right after Bonnie's death where she's telling Melanie how Rhett and Scarlett are tearing each other apart and she prays to God for help, is brilliant.
Hattie McDaniel said she would rather get paid to act like a maid than be a maid! She was a smart and classy lady! Those were the only roles besides singing and dancing that blacks could get at that time! I’m proud that when she did get maid acting parts she always played a wise outspoken black woman! No one could pull wool over her eyes! Read her autobiography and was greatly impressed! 👏🏾👏🏾
PSA: don’t use “blacks” to describe black peoples. Just say black people.
i agree with her 100%
Mammy is the voice of reason in GWTW. She is the ONLY one that puts Scarlett in her place!
She's the only one who speaks the truth, even in the dark moments, and she doesn't apologize for it. As in the scene where she is talking to Melanie after little Bonnie dies. She's clearly brokenhearted in this moment, but she speaks the truth. I love how she is Scarlett's conscience in a way.....at the beginning during the corset scene. When Scarlett is grieving Ashley and going to Atlanta. Even at the beginning where she is yelling at Scarlett......she's always the voice of reason and wisdom. And notice, she's one of the ONLY characters who stands by Scarlett even in Scarlett's DARKEST moments when Scarlett grows into this cold, greedy, rich debutante at the end of the film and loses everything.
The "only" one? I seem to remember a certain Rhett Butler who would often see through Scarlett's shenanigans and put her in her place so much it invariably frustrated her. Mammy to me just wore Scarlett down, persistently telling her what she thought she should do. Most of the time Scarlett didn't care what Mammy said -- she would eventually submit just to get her to leave her alone.
I just love Mammy!
@@DeplorableJaredBrodersen You're right Rhett did (especially in the book) but men come and go in Scarlett's life. Mammy was there from the start.
I am BLACK and this is one of my FAVORITE films! I LOVE this movie. If we are to talk about us (blacks) being "demeaned" because she PLAYED a maid, let's be honest and look at what ACTING is! In this film, there were WHORES, THOTS, a madam, drunks, and LICE covered soldiers; GIVE ME THE MAID! Also, all over tv and movies, we (BLACKS) PLAY murderers, drug dealers, pimps, whores, rapists and WORSE, so let's NOT be so damn hypocritical. Back in that time, MS MCDANIEL had FEW choices! WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE NOW? 80 YEARS LATER! SHE and others before, MADE IT EASIER for US to RISE TO THE TOP!
Your fair and honest and that was well put....58 yo white man here. God bless
I agree. I don't see mammy as a push over. On the contrary she always put Scarlett in her place when she tells her "he her husband isn't her." These commentators are so arrogant! Yes, I've seen black people act like her just like I've seen black people of highest education and fine manners. And no Mammy was not hating on Scarlett. Mammy raised Scarlett and had a mother's heart. And how did Mammy feel about the war, I dare imagine that maybe she hoped to be free as any slave would've felt. I love the movie and I admire this actress. She was a visionary.
I agree with you, she has the most respectable character in this movie! as a french, I don't really get the color identity thing, but this maid character is so strong... she is like a mother figure to Scarlett, who listens to her more than everyone! I had grandmothers coming from poor families, and they had this mixed approach of good sense, and a certain resignation that some people were richer and more respectable than them. It was a different era. How stupid are the people now, who judge people from the past...
Mammy is the smartest character in the film. Everyone else is foolish in one way or another.
bravo23 delta there would be no book or movie without the character of MAMMY! Hello goodbye and I'm not even black 5% according to the DNA I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings!
bravo23 delta to tell a family Secret Mahalia Jackson was my auntie twice removed on my daddy side. Billie Holiday on my mother's side second cousin can you digger it? Sucker fish
Ok, you all have to remember that at that time unfortunately the the blacks were not informed ,I'm pretty sure no one told them what was going on about the war ,it is sad to think that they were used that way, and so after the war they had no place to go.it was much worse after the war ended because the southern activists were still trying to come back it made it horrific for the free blacks ,it was a horrible time in our country....
Rebecca Young still is a horrible time in our country 🤷🏾♀️
That's not true that everybody else was foolish. I found Melanie very smart, composed, wise and rational. And both Rhett and Ashley were smart enough to realize early on about the futility of that war; Rhett even went so far to admonish the other southerners that they would most likely "get licked." That took intelligence while everyone else were blinded to think they could win. And Rhett was always so brilliantly perceptive to see through Scarlett's shenanigans.
Mammy ran that house....point blank period
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Even as a kiddo, I always laughed and loved the way mammy said “spider” 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
To the guy who said: black people talked in the movie like noone I had ever met. Erm, well, maybe coz the movie is set in 1860s???? And was filmed in 1939?? Nobody talks like they did 150 years ago anymore. That's why it is historical movie. Now, if you don't like history, that's whole another subject. History is what it is. You can't change it just because you don't like it. It baffles me when grown people talk so stupid.
Anyway, GWTW is one of the most epic movies ever made. Just like the novel it was based on.
Hmmm. I respectfully disagree, I meet people who speak like the Rhett and Scarlet character all the time.
Oh and might you have read, "That Wind done gone."? Now that book is epic
I do think Prissy’s exaggerated, erratic behavior and the slower rate of speech of the Black characters are the worst part of this film but otherwise I love it. The film isn’t about the Black characters, it’s about Scarlett...
@@veronicamitchell9378 Well fiddle-de-dee!
As a non- native English speaker, I can notice now severe grammar errors when Black characters speak. Then I realized that back then it was ILLEGAL to teach Black to read and write. Those times might return if politicians would determine math/science/language arts as racist.
These people have pave the way for Black actors. Its totally ridiculous to do away with the first Black actors accomplishments because someone panties is in a wrinkle. I'm sure that woman would disagree of she were still alive.
ew gross please dont say panties.
@@laurencooper5192 Panties because these fine educated commentators don't get their hands dirty.
I guess you also neglect the fact that this was one of the very few roles black people could attain in that time period.... please don't speak for the black community because clearly, you don't understand the historical context. Not saying removal--- but annotation IS necessary!
@@jayw1534 Annotations? That is just ridiculous. I am not being trying to be rude but wanting to add annotations to movies, songs, music videos and/or cartoons would be laughable. It would still be an interpretation of some groups opinion. That is all it would be.
You would still have a group of select people making the rules for what would need annotations. It would never be fair and it would always serve an agenda at the end of the day.
How is it that Django Unchained is accepted and it was made in 2012 but GWTW is now canceled. How about Antebellum?
Why is Beyonce's BLACK IS KING film from last month acceptable. Where it is an all black film that has the only white people in the film as the help, the slave? Imagine an all white WHITE IS KING film made today that had the only black person as the help/slave?
The hypocrisy is astounding. What a double standard.
@@jayw1534 get over it crybaby. Stop pounding around like you know what the actress felt.
African Americans act more oppressed then Jewish people. Who literally were almost erased from the earth.
Mammy had the best lines in the film. She functions as comic relief. And she is the only voice of restraint or reason on Scarlett.
One of the main actresses , Olivia de havilland , is still alive at 103 , lovely lady 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Ricky Moore amazing
Mammy's the only one that tells her how it is. Mammy is wonderful!
Uh ... I vaguely remember a certain Rhett Butler who would invariably see through her shenanigans and tell her like it is so much, it frustrated Scarlett. So Mammy was not the only one.
The whole movie was great. Perfectly acted and the color was suburb.
Yeah, she's a clown in a Shakespeare play, great film but racist writing
@@War-child_ Dumb...just dumb.
@@DeplorableJaredBrodersen Uh...I seem to remember that Scarlett "frustrated" Rhett; so much so that he chased after her for years knowing she was in love with someone else. Whose zoomin' who...lol
Hattie McDaniel was much more than a maid in this film. She was magnificent ! People need to get over themselves.
Mammy and Melanie on the staircase is my most vivid memory of this movie. It was a whole new scene that was created with Mammys' words that culminated the tragedy and complete devastation of Rhett Butler. I openly wept when I first saw it. Mammy was terrific.
The way she told Melanie of all the sad and tragic events that had happened in the house was so real. I wanted to cry because she made me believe that all that happened. What a great actress!
Love the character, but I think the guy in this clip doesn’t realize that the film is not primarily about mammy. That’s why we don’t see where she sleeps and how she feels. If mammy was the main character, then sure, I’d expect to see those things.
The point is that the movie’s portrayal of slavery is overly rosy, making audiences believe that these slaves are always happy to work at Tara, and neglecting to show us how the slaves must have grappled with their situation while off-duty.
@@adamzanzie but the movie isn’t about the slaves. It includes slavery because it’s historically correct. Believe it or not some slave owners weren’t terrible to their slaves all the time. I think if the movie included instances of slave owners being mean to slaves or even mammy complaining or looking sad and depressed, the focus would constantly shift from the evils of slavery to the other themes of the movie. It would be too much. Besides, there are plenty of other movies that portray the terrible realities of slavery, 12 years a slave being one of them. What I’m trying to say is that not every time period movie has to constantly throw out the point of slavery is evil/feel bad for the poor slaves.
@@kathynicklas9845 Nowadays films are much better at depicting slavery as it really was, but you have to admit that Gone with the Wind's depiction of slavery is rather sugarcoated. It's still a great film, but also very much a film of its time, made when America still romanticized the myth of the Old South. Were all slave owners sadistic towards their slaves? No, but even Scarlett in this film smacks Prissy and threatens to sell her. The movie isn't even clear when it comes to scenes like that, however. I imagine that audiences in 1939 casually accepted that sort of thing, believing that Prissy deserved to be slapped for her incompetence (something which, bizarrely, even Butterfly McQueen believed, having stated as much in her interviews). Today, we watch that scene and we're appalled, because we realize that Scarlett is just another abusive slave owner. But this goes back to my point that the movie's portrayal of slavery is uneven. Sure, the film is more interested in mythmaking and celebrating a time in the 19th century when the South was flourishing, and when white men and white women courted each other the old-fashioned way, etc., and on that level the film works very well... but speaking as a white person, it does trouble me when Donald Bogle observes in this interview that black audiences who watch this film feel a lot more conflicted, because essentially, people like Scarlett lived such luxurious lives at the expense of blacks who had no choice but to serve them.
@@adamzanzie so? Who cares? This was a love story on the adventures of scarlet not how the slaves lived
@@NO-ib1je Um, turns out that *a lot* of people care? That's why this film has been mired in so much controversy lately, whenever TCM or HBO considers whether or not to air it.
The depiction of slaves was touchy, especially back then. Yet I believed, under the circumstances, they treated the characters with dignity. Today, it's easy. Make it all about them and their struggle. But GWTW isn't that story. And people just have to grow up and deal with it.
I love the way Hattie McDaniel played the part of Mammy. She was such a beautiful, classy lady!
and she always spoke back. always got what she wanted without letting 'THE MAN' KNOW what she was up to ,she ruled her world .she knew how to play the game.. cant say the same about these simps these days who self destruct without even knowing why.
Yes I agree and we got to remember..historically the Mammy's during the as Antebellum period maintained the entire household, from cooking, cleaning, raising Master's children, nurses, counselors, teachers, spiritual compass for the family, EVERYTHING, n they never got the credit for it..in the movie it depicted M as mmy as one of the strongest persons n the picture even during n after the wartime, she maintained the home, took care of the sick, tried to keep Scarlett in a right frame of mind wit her crazy self..t h.c ank God for the Mammys of that tim ed period many homes plantations couldn't function without them, 'Big Mamas' we call them today. God bless u Hattie McDaniel u played that part
This is a romance story that happens to be during the Civil War. It shows what it could have been that way back then.
No she's not angry. Good grief
I feel like some of the commentators were doing the most with analyzing the black characters of the film. This is one of my favorite classic movies of that era, and I'm "black". I don't think I need to have my head examined.
For someone who has no understanding of American history and culture, sure it's simply a "romance film."
These people were actors and actresses- they did wonderful jobs. They had to do as the directors instructed them! We can't change history.
Marcia Allsbrook girlfriend you're wasting your time you can't flog a dead horse. Hey what about the Spaniards in the Dutch and the Portuguese you're the one that started slave trade or was it the Babylonians when the Jews were enslaved let's go back If I Could Turn Back Time slavery started in ancient Bible times and they continue through the centuries created by man and it continues to this day Jehovah God rectify the situation in due time it's all in the Bible God is Not partial he created man in His image there's only three races Caucasian black mongoloid. Noah had three sons they all went different places with their wives is that a difficult concept. It's all in the Bible why do you think has been preserved all these thousands of years and over 250 languages. Jehovah God the true God of the Bible will intervene soon. Talk to Jehovah's Witnesses there will tell you teach you study with you free of charge it's all in the Bible man makes the world ugly and it's getting uglier as we speak. Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Arnold Amaral Wrong you need to read Genesis a little better and when you do you will see that ADAM was the first Son of God not the first person in the world. Look up replenish the earth and see the definition. It means to restock refill. The Old Testament is about the Hebrews not about you and me. He created male and female and told them to replenish the earth and then he created his son ADAM and his lineage began. The Sons of God started having relations with the daughters of men, who were these people?
@@BurntPlaydoh ..Thank you..good point.
@@highlyfavored12 ,I second it!👍
It was a movie based on a novel ! It was not a documentary for chrissake !
That movie was fantastic!
Hattie McDaniel is a classy lady. It is appalling the way she was treated. I loved the movie.
Mammie is, BY FAR, one of the best characters in this movie. Definitely one of the strongest. Hattie McDaniel EARNED that Oscar.
I have seen a couple of different movies that portray slavery in the Old South and its interesting for me how DIFFERENTLY movies like this movie and 12 Years a Slave portray slavery. In 12 Years a Slave, it is unapologetic in how brutal and cruel these owners (ESPECIALLY Edwin Epps) treated their slaves. They don't sugar-coat anything and the camera holds on the brutality for an uncomfortably LONG amount of time and FORCES us, the viewer, to recognize the suffering these poor slaves endured at the hands of their masters. Its a different perspective in Gone with the Wind. They make it clear that Mammie and the other slaves aren't equal to their masters, but the relationship between Mammie and Scarlett for instance is much different than what is portrayed in 12 Years a Slave between Solomon and his masters. In that time, in our history, a Mammie could be likened to a second mother. Her job was to look after the children in the home. That is why I've always gotten the impression that even after Scarlett's real mother died, Mammie is there to fill that maternal role for Scarlett emotionally.
I found Mammy annoying and thought they gave her too many lines. But that's just me.
@@DeplorableJaredBrodersen Why did you find her annoying? IN my humble opinion, she was the most sensible character in the movie.
Found mammy "annoying"? That's funny. Are you kidding me? She was the conscience of the movie. And she had some great lines. She knew Scarlett and told her like it is. I respect Hattie McDaniel. She nailed that role. And what a trailblazer. Just a great performance. IMO, the incomparable Vivien Leigh as Scarlett put that movie on her back and owned the role, love "Melnee," Olivia was fantastic, and Mammy.
Those women were the backbone of GWTW and the reason why GWTW is in the top ten of movies EVER. Wow, it doesn't get any better than that.
@@terrihilder8217 Forget that idiot. Their user name alone should tell you they 're a raving nitwit.
I loved the movie and I loved Mammy. She always spoke her mind fierelessly.
This stuff shouldn't be banned but used as a education of how far we have come in a short time.
I loved Hattie McDaniel. Yes,she was angry. She had to deal with 1 dimensional idots! She is the only one with good sence!
I love mammy, she's the only one that makes any sense
It’s clear that none of these men actually read the book as well as seeing the movie or they would definitely have a different response than what we just saw. Mammy, Pork, and Prissy’s characters only served to enhance and validate the white characters in the book and movie. Mammy was devoted to Scarlett’s mother as she had raised her from infancy and came to Tara with Ellen when she married Gerald. Likewise, Pork was Gerald’s factotum and the one who told him he needed to go find himself a wife and one with lots of house workers. Prissy is described as a half-witted sort in the book, but her mother (not seen in the movie) keeps her in line. Where they slept or how they felt is immaterial to the plot and while the book gives more details on the lives of the slaves it’s not much more than the movie. If they had turned the novel into a movie without cutting huge chunks from it there’s no way it could have been made and anyone who’s offended by it is missing out on something great.
Some are offended just for the sake of being offended and belittle Great performances because it’s not what they want to see lol.
One thing we like to forget: Hattie and Butterfly were modern women in 1939, playing the roles of uneducated slaves. Their characters were not educated, free, black women of 1939, but, rather members of an oppressed, southern-ingrained people who knew nothing of freedom--and were forbidden by law to read, write, etc. How did you expect them to play their parts? Their characters were oppressed slaves. They spoke like slaves, they conformed to slave behavior.
These actresses were amazing in their portrayals of southern slave women of color in the mid 19th century. It may be a hard pill to swallow when viewed today, but if they had played modern women, it would not have been real. It would have been a politically correct parody. More acceptable, perhaps. But as fake as Geroge Washington's inability to tell a lie.
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The book is a work of fiction/romance novel, not a scholarly treatise on antebellum/Reconstruction society. If you think that many slaves had "no real issue" with being slaves, then you have never read any actual slave narratives or books by Black abolitionists. The moonlight and magnolias view of the Old South has long since been relegated to the dustbin of historical reasearch. GWTW is a relic of a bygone era as is your opinion of Blacks.
BTW, since you equate "excellence in African-American education" with "guns. drug, money, and b*tches" then you are a pathetic racist whose opinion is no more valid, informed, or wanted than those of the racist whites in GWTW.
Charles Turner it's not racist when the fact is it's true.
It's not true as you well know and I have reported your comment to CZcams.
Mammy had Scarlets number!! 😂😂😂
As a small boy, I greatly enjoyed the 1959-61 "Swamp Fox" miniseries, about American guerilla leader Frances Marion in the Revolutionary War. When I rewatched the shows here on CZcams, about 50 years later, I noticed that blacks were portrayed as having leadership roles in Marion's irregulars. Pretty enlightened thinking by Walt Disney, considering the times.
Of course blacks have a long and heroic history in America's conflicts. And there's nothing to stop blacks themselves from making movies on the subject.
Say what you will about GWTW but Hattie McDaniel steals the movie! Her performance it transcendent!
Without Hattie's performance the movie wouldn't have been believable.
I'm black, Gone With the Wind is in my top 10.
Sue me.
Shut up No one cares enough to care much less sue your goofy ass.
I have to ask you why are blacks so sensitive about everything they allways liken everything to thire race not thire deeds if 2 people robed a bank 1 black 1 white both are going to jail its not they were arrested just for being black and i find a lot.of blacks racist
@@learntospellpeople What a horrible human being you are.
The american public doesn't read...if they had read the book, they would know slavery was never addressed in GWTW
I think the challenge with this video is that all the commentators are men. As a Black woman, I find the story of Scarlet O’Hara to be fascinating. While I value being Black, being a woman has its own significance.
Mammy was the boss of that ridiculous household you just can’t help loving 🥰 her
Yeah, don't be talking about Mammy!
Hattie McDaniel OWNS every single scene she's in. She steals the entire film.
These filmmakers didn't' have to watch GONE WITH THE WIND. I love Mammy! Yes, each of the slaves spoke the way they did but that it the way it was. Hattie won an Academy Award and all people Afro-American and Caucasian should be proud of her.
Morgan le Fay uhhhh I don’t think the movie depicts how slaves really talked... lol. Margaret Mitchell wasn’t alive during the Civil War; she’d have had no way of knowing.
@@adamzanzie ,she wasn't talking about Margaret Mitchell! She was talking about the Phenomenal Hattie McDaniel and I as a White American agree with Morgan le Fay . Hattie McDaniel is an American Icon!
@@adamzanzie Also, Hattie Mcdaniel was the daughter of two former slaves. So even if she herself wasn't alive in that era, she had her family as a reference.
From my first watching of this classic, l knew what this movie was about. My love for this movie; pure. and simple is the scope, magnitude and breathtaking this piece of fiction this was - and in widescreen CinemaScope too!!! I was in hog heaven. It depicts a actual part of American History and what our role was in it at that. In order to be authentic, David O. Selznick wanted every object, costume and all mannerisms to reflect the true period in which the movie was based on - the 1860s on into Reconstruction. It’s my favorite movie of all time because of its grandeur and the breathtaking scope of it’s presentation. Behind Max Steiner’s absolutely beautiful musical score, the picture comes alive from the very first frame. I love it on its artistic merit alone. I know a brilliant job when l see one and this is one of that truly rare movie that transcended time and itself. It remains the most profitable movie of all times and still remains my #1 favorite.....
I LOVE the costumes, the gorgeous sets and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the way Mammy (Hattie) yells at Scarlett all the time. She was not going to let Scarlett become a TRAMP!!!!
Mr bogle is NOT correct....Mammy DID NOT agree with the values of Scarlett AT ALL....she knew scarlett was always outta pocket.....chasing after Ashley, being disingenuous towards melly, just being a spoiled brat overall. When Mammy said that no matter who many heirs scarlett and Rhett put on(to be upstanding decent folks), they were just mules slicked up pretending to horses.
Mammy and Rhett were the only 2 people who dared to directly call her out on her shenanigans without fear.
This is probably my favorite movie and I am a 67 year old white woman. As a Jewish person, I am highly sensitive to anti-semitic comments, depictions and views. Now, seeing GWTW through the eyes of how I imagine a person of color would feel, I would think there would be hurt and anger. I understand that and feel somewhat embarrassed for loving this film as I do. But, the quality of the performances of Hattie McDaniel and Butterfly McQueen are to be acknowledged and awarded for their quality. I would hate to see this film never seen again as it is a masterpiece on many levels, but a disclaimer must be added to the opening of the film noting that it presents a fictional view of the time in which it takes place.
I guess I understand why people are so upset about the Black Actors in this movie and felt bad when the he says; Any black person who says this is their fav moive needs to have their head examined. I am Black and this is my fav movie, because it's honest, it is who we were and everybody needs to see it that way, it may be one of the only true scripts that will go down in history besides roots that is true. This was excellent.
Hattie McDaniels was a wonderful actress. Gone With the Wind was an is a great acting character Movie!!!! History.
Mammy is the smartest one in the entire picture.
Sad fact: Halle Berry is the only black woman who received the Oscar for Best Actress... We have Viola, Cicely, Alfre, Angela, Queen, Lupita... but Hollywood gives all the good roles for that Streep... the things aren't easy yet...
That's because Streep is a better actress than all of them, they even say so. Your racial bias won't change that.
It is not sad. Some actresses are better. And in the 30s they didn't give rewards just for being an oppressed minority. Hattie had to EARN it, and she DID. She was so good that they had to give her the Oscar, even despite the fact she was Black. That was an achievement. That IS an achievement. To receive the reward for being amazing.
Are you serious?
@@f.kutarg93 not really. STFU
These guys who comment know NOTHING about what's going on here. "Cringe"? Why would anyone cringe? Mammy is the heroine in this film. She's the only human being in the movie. She isn't silly or shallow -- she has dignity. This film mocks white people - and portrays the black characters as what they probably were in real life 1860s. This is a masterpiece .
It is a MOVIE people. They didn't have to take the parts . This movie is a CLASSIC
Yes they DID have to take the parts ,or STARVE ,..these are what they were offered
@@charlesrobinson1637 Do your research then comment Learn your history. I never owned a slave nor did anyone in Family
I love Hattie McDaniel shes my idol!!!!.
Something is missing about the slaves, about her sisters, about Rhett’s background, about a lot of things and that’s another movie. A movie about Mammie would be great. Its a shame they didn’t make one with McDaniel. This is Scarlet’s story. Gone with the Wind is from Scarlet’s point of view. You want to discuss something else, you are in another movie.
I am currently reading the book, and indeed a lot is missing in the film. The book gives an enormous amount of detail concerning all characters. Most people don't even know that in the book, Scarlet has a son and a daughter to each of her two husbands before she marries Rhett - a son to Charles Hamilton, and a daughter to Frank Kennedy. Read the book - you can find a free PDF online.
There is a book
CeeEemDee Dees during that time period they didn’t give a damn about the black persons perspective! It was still segregation & Jim Crow taking place. Black were only offered servitude, slave , bafoonish characters or singing & dancing roles as a backdrop! But that is how it was. Some fought for more dignified roles, like Lena Horne, it just wasn’t accepted
CeeEemDee Dees hahaha 👍👍
@@christian_person5058,And for your knowledge, Hattie McDaniel decided it wasn't going stop her,or anyone else of her race! She fought hard and she fought well. Phenomenal Lady.✌
What is missing from this discussion are the number of black women who grew up feeling like they were Scarlett in the movie.
Mammy was a strong black women! Hattie McDaniel was an awesome actress!❤️
As a kid I wanted Mammy to wear nice dresses like Scarlett when they walked on the street. I didn't understand slavery and I thought the lady was more Scarlett's mom than anyone.
Mammy is definitely the moral pillar in this movie
1:05 - Mammy's face was clearly "wtf just happened?!" xDD
She looked like that because Scarlett had just told a WHOPPER of a lie to Frank Kennedy about Suellen, Scarlett's next-younger sister. When Frank asked Scarlett how Suellen (Frank's fiancee) was doing, Scarlett told him that Suellen was going to marry one of the County boys next month, because she was tired of waiting and was afraid she was going to become an old maid. That's how Scarlett managed to marry Frank Kennedy, in order to get the money to pay the taxes on Tara. Scarlett had just been rejected by Rhett Butler at the prison, when he found out that she lied to him about missing him, when all she really wanted was his money. Besides, he said all his money was in Liverpool, so there was no way he could get it. You have to watch that scene (it takes place in Atlanta after the war). The look of shock on Mammy's face is priceless, not to mention hilarious !
Concerning that there continues to be individuals focusing solely on the actors and actresses portraying enslaved people in this film. As a child, I was aware that Ms. McDaniel and the cast were portraying the characters they were hired to do, which are men and women as slaves. The actions of the casts are not to blame nor should characters on film be viewed as a representation to millions of people.
Tell that to whites
Gone with the Wind is a film with a complicated legacy, in that it still promoted stereotypes of African-Americans, yet at the same time Hattie McDaniel knocked down the color line when it came to the Oscars. Maybe it's time Gone with the Wind is also remembered for Hattie McDaniel: She won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, the First African-American to win any kind of Academy Award. While it was a small victory....it was still a victory against a cruel and unjust system.
They were portraying the people as they lived in those roles for that era. It was brilliant acting on everyone’s part. But as usual people have to ruin everything.
Exactly! Nowadays characters in period drama somehow always need to comment on their roles and critizise the times they live in. Showing how it actually was in those days gives a much better insight. It's up to the audience to comment, they are perfectly capable of understanding what's wrong or right. They don't need characters or disclaimers telling them that.
I loved Mammy and Butterfly McQueen and I am a black woman. The movie is about life during slavery.
The movie just was not true to the book originally movie really is. Left out several vital components in regards to slavery and the way uncle Peter was treated Etc. Of course the book is always better than the movie. Read it and find out you will not be disappointed.
I would like for the book "The Wind Done Gone" to be made into a movie.
How dare that man tell me that as a black man I need to have my head examined!? I loved/love this film. Always and forever! Slavery existed, it was a awful, but part of our history. That’s how slaves spoke and lived in the 1800s. Every race in around the world was enslaved at one point or another. These people that are commentating must all be bleeding heart liberal crybabies. 😩 so exhausting. Move on already
You cons are your fake surface level notions of 'toughness'. Yet you 're the biggest pussies and infants when anyone criticises your precious idols. Shut up, you 're not credible or trustworthy.
Thank you!
The Greatest Film Ever Made!
Haven't seen the ten commandments with Charlton Heston and Yul Brannan
As Hattie McDaniel said, I'd rather play a maid for $700 can you be a maid for $7.
Blk ppl y'all can shoot me but, Gone With the Wind is my favorite movie and I'm black and it's because of Scarlett O'Hara as a strong woman and Mammys role as a strong black woman. I hated pork & prissy's (voice esp.) character, to name a few blk characters. And o yeah, I loved Rhett and scarlets love story.
I don't think anybody watches that movie thinking it's a fair evaluation of real historical injustices. It. Is. A. Movie. With fictional characters. From the perspective of one uppity spoiled girl. It's entertaining! And it's not a history book anymore than Legally Blonde is a guide to getting into law school.
Good for you maybe they're is hope. It was a great movie.
Ahhh, I am so glad you said that. It's a period piece and fictional account of a book. You get that. It's entertainment. Cool! I love GWTW too.
MY favorite scene - which no one cares to address - is when following the Civil War, Scarlett and Mammy go to Atlanta to visit Mr. Kennedy's (the fiance of one of Scarlett's sisters) hardware store because Scarlett heard Kennedy's business is a success and she needs tax money for Tara. In any event, Kennedy offers to drive Scarlett's buggy and while both are in the front seat, Scarlett announces to Mr. Kennedy that "I seem to have forgotten my muff. Can I put my hand in your pocket?" THE LOOK Mammy gives Scarlett says it all "YOU HAVE NO SHAME SCARLETT!" The next scene shows Scarlett and Kennedy married while Scarlett's sister wails in the following scene, "She stole MY beau!" How the censors in 1939 overlooked Scarlett giving Mr. Kennedy a "hand job" is beyond me.
YES MAMMY HAS THE MOST REASON AND SENSE IN THE MOVIE
Having taken the time to learn extensively about the lives of Hattie McDaniel, Butterfly McQueen, and Oscar Polk- I could just watch the movie just to remember that these actors were actors who were racially restricted to their characters by Hollywood. The film is not in their point of view at all, but their slave-owners/holders. If we want to see a film that captures slavery from the slave's perspective, there are several, but the last one white America paid any cultural attention to was Twelve Years A Slave(2013). If Hattie, Butterfly, and Oscar had a say and mainstream studios supported it (and they could only do independent "race" films in their day to artistically combat it), there would have been an earlier production. But, the fact that Hattie McDaniel founded the Negro Actors Guild, which sought to combat racist images, provide healthcare and travel accommodations for people of color working in Hollywood, Butterfly McQueen and Clark Gable worked to de-segregate the set and McQueen insisted Vivien Leigh apologize for slapping her hard, and Oscar Polk was a known stage actor, one can see Gone With The Wind(1939), talk about what is missing from their characters, but also see these actors fill out the blanks. I would love to see the day when TCM shows GWTW and Twelve Years A Slave back to back, because due to the work of Donald Bogle and other authors exploring the history of these marginalized actors, people are waking up to the honesty of that history. Also, given the fact that the Negro Actors Guild was being found around the time of this film, and given the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences unfavorable view of unions back in that time, McDaniel's Oscar was an attempt to silence her, but Hattie didn't stay silent.
outinsider* Beautiful!👍
@@michaelgaynor6866 Thank you. It's important that we don't reduce actors to the roles they play, but explore then to deconstruct systems that we don't want to perpetuate. The fact that GWTW still ranks high is a statement of how our country remains a white supremacy, and we need to deconstuct that for humanity's sake.
@Trey That is the whitest thing I have read today.
I'm sure there were many slaves with good old fashioned common sense. They just couldn't reveal it like Mammy.
Butterfly McQueen Remembered by Stephen Bourne (Scarecrow Press, 2008), a biography of the actress who portrayed Prissy, is dedicated to the film historian DONALD BOGLE and to the memory of the African American actors who appeared in GWTW. There is a chapter dedicated to Hattie McDaniel. It's worth checking out!
Actors playing roles, critics on Monday morning. At least we can take satisfaction in knowing that even the critics realize they have no impact... What's over, not even think tiniest bit and....they know it
Sorry but that's the way it was back then. Appreciate the movie for what it was. A movie about the old south made in 1939. These black actors did a great job and I feel it's disrespectful to them to criticize the movie. Thankfully things are different now
Lori Olson these black actors didn’t have to do any job, it’s easy to act like an idiot! They were exploited and treated with utter disdain. Appalling
Lori Olson it's fair game to criticize it. You can like it or hate it, just like anything else. The movie itself is a reminder for viewers of how things were then.
Why do we have to analyze everything to death. It was amovie, fiction, not based on someone's actual life. Hattie Mac Daniel was proud of her acting, and she was perfect in the part. It is not for someone else to say otherwise or criticize her.
Because some people are always stirring the pot. They can express their opinion but no need to exaggerate. If we go that route all movies wherein black actors/actresses were featured during the Jim Crow era should be canceled. Oh wait, I'm Hispanic - let's do away with West Side Story. Puerto Ricans don't behave that way.
why is being racist so important?
The narrative of the entire movie was highly racist. The black characters were used as "minstrels" of sorts within the plot and inadequate representations to what black people are then and now. This, when it was released, was a movie that popularized the idea and notion some slaves were happy. They weren't. No one is happy being enslaved... that's why we have to analyze it. Because without understanding the context the movie producers intended... we cannot see the faults. That's not to say we should remove it-- but there should be clear annotation at beginning of the film. Being biracial, this movie is grossly insensitive.
@@jayw1534 I think the male dominated control and overal theme is to sanctify the white women for himself... and how BIG this insecure inferiority complex has become shows as a man its rather infantile?
@@vnessa33 The movie & book (from my memory) had many overall themes, agendas, and biases. The most prominent for sure was how tradition, old ways of life, including sexism must be adapted to survive and thrive. Nevertheless, some people forget the film had many racially insensitive infused aspects. This film was released pre-civil rights movement and so was the book. So various perspectives are automatically skewed. It's also important to address this was only a decade after Woman's right to vote. So contextually, a 1930s white woman writing about how white* women have prevailed and always been strong, and the old ways of the past were oppressive for white women, but disregarding harsh realities for blacks. Again, this is an interpretation of what we know about mindsets and prejudice within the print/film. Society very cleverly enforces the idea of change, adaption, and survival of white members of society while discounting blacks as inferior in life and popular culture. Being said, I would love this film remade with a realistic adaption of black characters (although Mammie was perfect given that the audience would not take well to the actress/film spelling out the source of her anger/hostility). :)
So, how many black people from that period did you know? How should blacks in the Civil War south have been portrayed?
If you like "Gone with the Wind", find it as your favorite movie, whether you are Black or White it only means that you have excellent cinematography taste. For me Mammy was the Boss, even in that hideous era of slavery.
Lubystka Olamonola I agree! Hattie was the boss and ran that place! Hattie deserved that Oscar, you can tell that she added her own charisma to that role . No director got that spunk out of her, she was an artistic actress and deserved that Oscar!
Gone with the Wind is one of the best movies ever made. Why do some black people always bring up the politics. It was what it was, a great love story. I saw no disrespect to blacks or any degrading thing about it.
I love that movie. you can't take it personal, it was a different time in America and in movies. Hattie had some great lines and lots of leeway to say things a slave would never say.
I love the movie because it shows the true identity of this American culture.
Peaceful Jouney yep, Delusional and racist AF.
Not everyone is like that, you have to know that
@@janasali821 ,good for you! No we are not!✌
Screenwriter Richard Wesley sounds just like HOF Eric Dickerson
If Mammy was her she would beat their ass for talking about her in that way.
ferchrissakes, it wasn't a documentary of the 1860s
Best movie ever made.
I love this movie
I just love that movie I wish I had a mammy to take care of everything
For most questions, asked here in this documentary I would answer:
"Read the book"!
I seriously doubt they did, otherwise they wouldn't ask about Mammy's relationship to Prissy, where she was sleeping a.s.o.
Mrs. Mitchell described all of it...
That guy at the end asking where Mammy lives etc...the movie is not about Mammy. And it's 4 hours long as it is.
You don't get it that is the point where folks don't know shit
Charles Dutton is so right at the beginning.
I LOVE this movie!
I Love this movie and Love Hattie McDaniel. She made the most of her opportunities. I know the movie was racist but unfortunately this was the way it was back then and that God it isnt that way anymore. But it was a great movie and great performances
What self-righteous fools these are... GWTW's black performers were outstanding in their portrayals. There were actors for goodness sakes.
La mejor película, de todas las época ,no hay comparación seguirá deleitando generación tras generación a sus espectadores x q es única .
No one alive today is like any of the characters in Gone With the Wind.
the only reason to even watch gone with the wind is to feel the scenes with Scarlett and Hattie. I see Scarlett not Vivien i see hattie not mammy .
Piano and embroidery dat day good fo'
Are there more parts to this?
Here's another. There was a 3rd about Hattie McDaniel and the Oscars, but it got taken down.
czcams.com/video/KjKewZTnSjg/video.html
I don’t think anyone believes that black people act like this in general. It’s a period picture that is meant to reflect the time it was made in. Southern accents were reflected in the way people spoke and pronounced words. People didn’t speak like they did in the movie anywhere. Vivian Leigh wasn’t even American. I could get mad about the way they made white people look like babbling idiots as well. Black people are mad about the way some of the black actors acted and spoke, even though they know slavery existed at the time, that’s ridiculous. On the other hand, I’d be embarrassed to be associated with most of the white characters! The only ones I like at all are Melonie, actually I can’t even think of another one besides her. Mammy and Melanie were the only two people in the whole damn movie who were honest and who had good common sense. Those two women kept the story grounded in reality when nothing else made any sense.
Scarlets mother and father would never have allowed their daughter to behave like Scarlet. People weren’t above beating their wives and children in those days. In a way it wasn’t much different than being part of a royal household. Beautiful or not, behaving like a lady would mean the difference between the whole family looking bad or good. Whereas I can see some people letting a pretty girl get by with a lot, sitting in the yard surrounded by horny men isn’t a thing I can see any father putting up with 😂! A smart slave could distinguish themselves among their peers early on and become part of the household staff. The household staff lived inside the house. Mainly because the white people didn’t want lice and things to come into their homes from the slave houses. People wanted the household staff clean 🧼 and pristine along with everything else. I’m sure the slave quarters were cleaned too but it’s difficult not to tramp dirt inside from the fields. Indoor plumbing wasn’t a thing in those days. Mammy may have spoken in a way that wasn’t good English but her wisdom was beyond anyone else’s in the story!!!
Dude don't generalize people because they may like a movie, theres a lot of reasons why a person might like this movie, theres a lot of technical aspects that are still astounding those shots with thousands and thousands of extras really had all those people in them this was long before the days of CGI. Could be that they appreciate the film for its actors it can't be denied Hattie earned that Oscar, she calls Scarlet out on her BS. Without this move those other films that took a hard look at slavery would never have been made. This film gave us a few black voices which grew into more and more.
Oh, get over yourselves. It was the pre-Civil War South. How do you expect they would depict Black people? As web page designers? There was no reason to get into Mammy's feelings, where she slept at night and all of that.
It’s so ignorant these comments lol trying to change history to fit some stupid politically correct horse shit.
Rose NoHo It's their opinion. And frankly, I had a similar reaction when I first watched it.
Yes, blacks were enslaved but the movie did depict the black characters as being content in their positions. They were portrayed almost like children.
Yes, we acknowledge that that's how it was then but I felt the approach the movie took glorified the South like it was heaven on Earth before the war.
@@ToothpasteKisses6345 The movie is basically propaganda for the confederate southern states.
Love this movie nothing will change my opinion..