Malak was Revans second in command, hes WAY more powerful than hes given credit for Edit: if Mace Windu had been around in the Old Republic era then the Sith would have had a real problem. I'm in the camp that Windu legitimately beat Palpatine and that it wasnt a trick
I'm convinced that Malak was beating Master Kavar from KotOR 2 in a lightsaber duel when Admiral Karath called him about capturing Revan and Bastila. And that's why Canderous/Mandalore thought he was dead.
In the ep3 novelization it states that Palpatine tossed the fight (specifically, he stopped using force lightning just as Mace couldn't hold on any longer). I would recommend you read it, it is a fantastic book.
Mace only stood a chance in terms of lightsaber combat once he fully dived into Vapaad. In other words, the scenario we got. It's very clear that if that fight had been a legitimate 1v1, Mace would have been screwed. He needed time to adjust with Vapaad (something Palpatine's opening blitz wouldn't allow) and he never had a chance inna direct Force contest
When I first read this title, thought it was a joke video. Turns out I was completely wrong. Really impressed with the degree of articulation and detail in less than 10 minutes. As for windu winning, yeah no question he wins. Vaapad is a pain for most darksiders to deal with (unless your an lawful evil sith like Vader or krayt). Though just like in yoda vs malak, this video makes it clear that malak is a beast in his own right. One small thing, malak is a confirmed user of sith sorcery and alchemy. Sorcery can be a very hax ability. But malak doesn’t appear to use it in combat to the level of exar Kun or omin, so I get why it wasn’t brought up.
>One small thing, malak is a confirmed user of sith sorcery and alchemy. Sorcery can be a very hax ability. But malak doesn’t appear to use it in combat to the level of exar Kun or omin, so I get why it wasn’t brought up. It's similar to comparing Malak's command skills to Revan's. Comparing any Sith sorcerer or alchemist to the all-time greats is like comparing Malak's tactical and strategic prowess to Revan's: It'll end up with Malak constantly shadowed by Revan. Malak is capable, in both the realms of esoteric Sith abilities and Military command, but he isn't a genius prodigy in either realm.
I would say that Malak studied sorcery the same way Bane did: to complement his overall understanding of the dark side while lacking the "innate gift" for the art like Darth Zannah or Naga Sadow.
1st thank you for the heart jensaarai1! 2nd, I was under the assumption malak learned sith sorcery and alchemy to help his research of the star forge. Comparing malak to omin wasn’t a good comparison. But malak is like half warrior half scientist.
While I agree with the final verdict, I think the biggest difference between Malak and Sidious as Windu's opponent is raw physical potential. Malak isn't going to get tired or be staggered by physical blows, and his armour and formidable physique will allow him to tank non-decisive blows. Nothing less than decapitation will end this fight, and while Vaapaad is spectacular, it is also a knife's edge. If Windu loses focus or slips up during this duel, he could very easily lose.
I believe Evannova 95 stated in his Caedus vs Mace video that he divides the dark side users into two types, ones who use the “burning effect” eg palpatine who goes full maniac kill everyone with rage and the “chilled” users more like Dooku and Vader who are more cold and detached. Would you agree with Evan’s assessment and his statement that Vaapad wouldn’t be as effective against the more “chilled effect” users ie Dooku??? Good short video though and though it is more of an obvious outcome as you stated it was still fun, looking forward to Dooku vs Malak! (Bets on Dooku though)
I would agree that the cold ones are very hard to get an advantage over with Vapaad. Since they dont cut loose and eminate so much emotion there is not as much force for Vapaad to get going and start the loop.
I guess it'd still depend on what the user channels as they could be channeling power while not expressing it, a furnace or simmering pot akin to something more outwardly like a flamethrower/dragon. Dooku was chill, but you hypothetically counter Krayt's self-preservation that way, whether as a matter or leeching energy or even turning it into him like increasing the armor killing/degenerating him.
Whoa!! A surprise video with 2 popular fan-favourites, and both Form 7 specialists!!! Jensaarai’s you are amazing. I remember when you uploaded a “Favourite Martial Breakdown” videos years ago, you attached a Mace Windu breakdown to it, but that one never appeared in a later video. Now the chance to see your opinions on Windu, and a preview of Malak for Dooku/Malak is so, so, damn I’m pumped!!!!
Malak's greatest strength is basically backfiring on him in this match up. His dependence and strength in the dark side empowers Mace in a loop on top of Mace's skill already and ends Malak.
Im glad that at the very least that you were able to be thorough enough to show that Malak is NOT absolutely STOMPED by mace, Rather that Mace is Actually well put together to take Malak down with mild Difficulty...either way always good to see Darth Malak used....Even if the result is obvious... Thanks.
I really like your short form content (although not as a replacement for your longer stuff) and I hope that this video gets a bit of YT traction, because you deserve it. Either way, I'm looking forward to Malak vs Dooku.
I won’t expect a Post- mortem analysis since you have already nodded to Windu in comparisons as a Tier 2 fitness and Tier 1 martial artist + Force Wielder. I am curious about Darth Malak’s standings, though. Tier 2, or Tier 1.5-1 as a Force Wielder or Martial Artist?
I would personally say Malak is a Tier 1.5 overall. He has a Tier 2 physique due to his height and obvious musculature, as well as his penchant for being overbearing in a duel. He beat Kavar after all, who is one of the best swordsmen of the era, and a member of the Jedi Council. He is a Tier 1.5 Lightsaber duelist due to his skill and multiple disciplines, as well as how he intelligently blends Force abilities and lightsaber combat, and a highly refined military mind. He is a Tier 2 or 1.5 Force wielder due to the variety, his refinement of his abilities, and the intelligent use of them. He is definitely a great of his era, but not an all-time great like Tier 1s. To be fair, his master is also a Tier 1.5 but for different reasons. I would say he is lesser than some Tier 1.5s like Dooku or his master, Revan, I think Malak is in their ballpark. He is definitely too skilled to be in Tier 2 in my opinion. Plo Koon is great and all, and Obi-Wan is amazing as a duelist. But, I just think they wouldn't beat him. The main reason I would say that Malak is not Tier 1 is because he (similarly to Dooku) is not willing to relinquish himself to the Force or to absolutely dominate it like many Tier 1s.
Agreed, and I'll be looking forward your collab with Evan. Have you guys ever considered making in depth style vs style comparisons? I find the topic interesting considering that each style in the hands of a particular artist can become infinitely more viable. Take Niman for example: it's basically Shii Cho with downloads from 2,3,4, and 5, which makes it good for the academic who's content learning someone else's method as opposed to inventing - whereas Shii Cho might actually work better in the hands of improvisational thinkers like Qui-Gon Jinn or Kit Fisto because it's simpler and leaves more room for creativity. It also poses the question, how do classical styles measure up to Vapaad? Can Shii Cho's creativity match up to 7's ferocity? Can Soresu find 7's weakness in time? Can Djem So potentially overpower form 7? Can Makaashi survive against that kind of speed and power? Just examples, but I'm sure there are plenty more.
Me: "Holy shit, finally, new Jensaari. Wait, less than ten minutes long?" _looks at title_ "Yeah, seems legit, this'll be an entirely one-sided fight."
This was another great video to watch, as always. I'm still awaiting to see ur Kao Cen Dharach vs Kas'im video and I'm already trying to guess who you'll pick as the victor.
Always a pleasure to see another vid from you, jensaarai. After all you are one of the best Star Wars channels on this site and better than other larger channels.
1:30 poor depa. Or not poor depa? I mean getting gunned down by clones is honestly less horrifying then the maddness that consumed her but SHE WAS SO MUCH COOLER BEFORE! I can see quite a few aincent sith getting ticked by vapaad at this point.
One way i like to justify depa's death is that after she woke up from her coma she stopped using vapaad and started practicing form 3. She would also have to use the force far more passively and thus was still in a severe handicap since she would be going through a complete technique makeover
@@jimpat2489 As much as I despise Disney Wars I will admit I did like what they did with Depa. Not only is it a much better end than being left permanently catatonic (as you said), but it's one of the few times "Legends" and Disney Wars can fit together if you squint a little.
I have a couple of ideas for potential versus matchups: Sedriss vs Xanatos vs Desaan (three Dark Jedi who went toe-to-toe with the best duelists of their respective eras Darth Plagueis vs Darth Maladi vs Darth Wyyrlok III (three Sith focused mainly on Force abilities and participated in one lightsaber duel against another Force adept)
Desaan will come out on top. I'd substitute Asajj in over Xanatos, he is soundly outmatched in this fight. Ventress still won't win, but she will contend better with opponents on this level than Xanatos (who isn't much further above your average Jedi knight). Once again, Maladi is the outlier here. As soon as she's off the field Plagueis will likely overwhelm Wyyrlok as he is physically and martially superior by some distance and holds an edge in the Force as well, though not a commanding one.
1. I'd say Desann wins although it would be close. Not only does he have a physicality/species edge but as I recall he fared better against Luke Skywalker than Sedriss did (a more experienced Luke at that). 2. Maladi IS good but I agree she's out of her league here. As to Plagueis vs. Wyyrlok III I'm leaning towards the Chagrian due to his skill with illusions/psychic attacks. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall Plagueis displaying anything to indicate exceptional resistance to mental attack. Andeddu was an expert in illusions/psychic combat and he got washed by Wyyrlok III.
Glad to see you back I've been looking out for you and evannova95 keep up the good work do you reckon you could do Lord scourge vs Darth Marr or Darth jadis vs Darth nihilus
I had actually planned to do a stop-motion video on this match-up a couple months back, so I'm quite surprised that you uploaded this match-up since I assumed that you and EvanNova95 are still working on Malak vs. Dooku.
@Emperor Vowrawn What are you smoking Yoda and GM Luke are far stronger then Traya. Traya doesnt even make top 5 Sith lords in terms of strength. Palpatine > Plagueis > Vitiate > Living Exar Kun > Marka Ragnos > Freedon Nadd > Naga Sadow > Traya Even Darth Vader would be able to kill Darth Traya.
I would love it if u did a three rings of defense lightsaber combat description video your lightsaber combat description videos are absolutely amazing like all your videos and would love it if u did one on the three rings style. Keep up the great work.
Ki Adi Mundi vs Lucien Draay ( I desperately want this to be a strikezone. Hearing about their skill levels and tactics in the post mortem is one of my favorite parts and these two deserve the love. Mundi survived Grevious and Ventress and was a great councilor, where Lucien was a great warrior and in many ways Mundi’s opposite: Lucien is passionate where Mundi is calculating, lucien goes from a ruthless extremist to a blind mystic while Mundi remains the same during his appearances ( though he did learn and gain wisdom, his values are never really challenged.)Lucien is human were Mundi is alien, Lucien is young while Mundi is nearing the end of his prime. They are both master warriors with highly athletic builds and Jedi council level in their raw power and skill utilizing the force.
The main reason Windu would best Malak is his use of Vaapad. However, achieving Vaapad is much more difficult than simply igniting your blade and using the Form. It’s not only a fighting style, it’s also a state of mind.
Honestly the retcon of Depa Billaba’s lightsaber color and death in the new Bad Batch show really exposed the pointless retcons of TCW. Like what was the point? Depa was a background character in the show anyway why change anything in the first place? It made me so mad when I saw it that I made a full blown LEGENDS Depa Billaba script for a versus series matchup.
Absolutely maddening, its like they have an obsession with controlling and dragging in every major and minor character in some way, and making sure that their EU stories are 'dead'. Its what makes me really worried about Disney potentially trying to rewrite Darths Bane, Plagueis etc.
@@allenmurallo3730 I did indeed remember and I think I’m even angrier about the retcon between the show and comic than the retcon between Legends and Canon. The fact that Disney Canon can’t even keep its own damm continuity is really concerning. The way I looked at the Kanan comic series was that it could have happened it was just that the whole story about Depa going into a coma while fighting Grevious was just a myth created by the council not to frighten the younger Jedi and she was given a new green lightsaber since her original one was lost somewhere. Then the Bad Batch just had to retcon it. (It was an awful show by the way)
@@allenmurallo3730 Literally made zero sense. What was the point? The retcon was already unnecessary since the Kanan comics depicted bilapba's death in Disney Canon and it was fine. Why retcon another retcon?
Hey man, thank you for all the quality work over the years and take all the time you need with Dooku vs Malak. I hope you use Windu in a dedicated versus match one day but I’m genuinely curious: is that even possible? Because Vapaad alone gives him a critical edge over darksiders so no go on that whole side of the isle (maybe Vader or Dooku but I can’t say for sure). But also the number of Jedi on his level is extremely small. Is Windu HIM?
Absolutely love seeing the respect of Darth Malak in this video. Just a side question but where would you place Malak’s power levels in comparison to other characters in the universe?
I'm not Jen but I would put him on the same level as Darth Malgus, he's strong but not the strongest, strength in the force can manifest in different ways but Malak's magnitude and feats are on the level of higher tier Jedi and Sith.
I still would like to see a Darth Malak vs Shaak Ti as they're both the only known users of a Makashi/Ataru Hybrid fighting style only there both employ the hybrid style differently. With Shaak Ti combining the elegant bladework of Makashi with the Acrobatics of Ataru. While Malak's use of Juyo combined the elaborate bladework of Ataru with the fencing footwork of Makashi. That and I also like to see Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt, and Lumiya vs Celeste Morne.
Malak vs Ti is definitely an interesting matchup and while I think he has an edge over her in terms of force abilities, it’s not a big game changer for Malaks favor and it would still be an uphill battle for him to get a victory over ti. As for darth krayt vs superboy pri- I mean exar kun, if it’s vector krayt then sadly I’d have to give it to kun as krayt armor despite its merits still brings him down pretty badly. Reborn Krayt on the other hand would definitely give a good fight and I think he would take the win against kun. The last one I have no clue.
I have a personal Theory that in the Star Wars Legacy era the imperial Knights , because of their more combative focus, were actually all tier 5 at the weakest. However, I also believe that except for their best fighters ( Draco, Krieg…. Two or three others) they generally cap out at tier 5. They all can contend with sith ( yes there are a lot of comparative weak sith in this era but a sith is still way too dangerous for tier 6 to survive.) I think that’s why that they are all capable combatants, but only a handful are truly council level warriors like Draco.( a personal favorite. I like his passion and multi layered personality. A strong sense of duty and loyalty but held back by his arrogance and desires. In a lot of ways he’s how I picture anakin should have been portrayed.)
Ki Audi Mundi and A’sharad Hett vs Lucien Draay. Wolf Sazen vs Aryn Leneer. Celeste Morne vs Bastilla Shan. Skorr vs Lucien Draay. Darth Azard vs Nadar Vebb. Darth Baras vs Darth Zannah vs Darth Marr. Jaden Korr vs Tholme. Darth Wredd vs Aayla Secura. Tsyr and Bok( Morgukai warriors) vs Jango Fett and Kir Kanos.
Any chance you could do a breakdown of Antares Draco, Wolf Sazen, Celeste Morne , Alema Rar or Aryn Leneer? I figured since you’ve been focusing on short videos about martial proficiency ( admittedly the main reason I watch these videos anyway) and I thought it might be more palatable to do a martial arts breakdown instead of a whole match in case you didn’t care for the characters themselves.
If Mace Windu had allowed Anakin to come with for the confrontation with Sidious, do you think that instead of turning on Windu, he'd have been able to follow through? After all, he was on the brink of either direction at that moment. Mace Windu had decided it was safest for Anakin to stay behind, but he couldn't have known what would have happened had Anakin come along, right?
Id really want to see a versus series with darth sion. Tho he ain’t powerful compare to most sith lords.. He is definitely one of the most lethal, and obviously durable.
A idea I had that might be interesting was Darth Malak right before the duel with Revan were he loses his jaw. I think that would be interesting because he hadn’t completely fallen yet, though he was still immersed in the dark side. He would be harder to pin down but those type of things usually interest you. And you would probably have to take into account his feats as a Jedi , like defeating scores of Mandalorian warriors.( I don’t remember if he’d faced many Jedi yet.)
Boba Fett vs Kir Kanos would be fun.( the Galaxy’s best bounty Hunter vs a master combatant trained to protect the emperor. ) Wolf Sazen vs Agen Kolar. Ki Audi Mundi vs Antares Draco. Darth Baras vs Darth Sion. Darth Marr vs Arcann. Din Djarin vs Jango Fett. Embo vs Fennec Shand. A’sharad Hett vs Ganner Krieg. Tholme and Quinlan Vos ( clone war) vs Darth Maul ( Phantom Menace). ( Maul was able to best Quigon jinn who was better than either while also besting Padawan obi wan. These two are a more even match up being tier 4’s with better tactics. I say Mail is skilled enough and powerful enough to beat them, but they are cunning and unpredictable enough to pull out a possible victory.)
Bultar Swan vs Antares Draco or Quinlan Vos. Swan contended with Vader briefly, was a master hand to hand fighter and was skilled enough to survive the genosis arena and the entire clone war, defeating hundreds of opponents over her career.( though admittedly none of them were force sensitive.) evannova and fanalysis did an excel breakdown of her abilities and gave me great respect for her prowess. either of the opponents would be a strong match as they both have great raw power in the force and are two of the most seasoned duelists of their era.
Wolf Sazen vs Ven Zallow. Aryn Leneer vs Kit Fisto. Starkiller ( clone) vs Mara Jade. Darth Wredd vs Obi Wan Kenobi ( Phantom Menace). Darth Vader( pre Cyborg) vs Lord Vindican. Darth Baras vs Darth Marr. Darth Jadeus vs Darth Sion. Bastila Shan vs Celeste Morne.
Kit Fisto vs Arryn Leneer. Lucien Draay vs Antares Draco. Quinlan Vos vs Jaden Korr. Wolf Sazen vs Darth Maul. Darth Azard vs A’Sharad Hett . Darth Nihl vs Exar Kun. Ashoka Tano vs Cay Qel Droma.
"Pre 2008 Legends continuity " ALWAYS music to my ears . I don't get mad about Disney channel, cuz I've literally accepted it doesn't exist. Except for kylo Ren because he was cool, and Daisy Ridley cuz I would give her six kids lol
KIR KANOS Vs Embo and Cad Bane. Hunter vs Jango Fett. Din Djarin vs Cad Bane. Alpha vs Captain Rex. Appo vs Hondo Karr. Jyn Erso vs Sabine Wren. Fives vs Bo Katan.( admittedly not the best match up, but Fives is my favorite clone and Bo Katan deserves some love.)
I am sure everyone has asked you this at some point but could you do a full VS match up with Mace Windu at some point? Thanks. Love your videos and this one was very well done
A’sharad Hett vs Rahm Kota. Lucien Draay vs Ki Adi Mundi. Quinlan Vos vs Assajj Ventress.( both legends). Darth Wredd vs Obi Wan Kenobi ( phantom Menace). Tholme and Quinlan Vos vs Darth Maul. Darth Baras vs Darth Sion. Darth Marr vs Darth Revan. Das Jennir vs Kir Kanos. Starkiller ( clone) vs Aryn Leneer. Galen Marek vs Kit Fisto. Celeste Morne vs Darth Zannah. Depa Belaba vs Sylvaar. Sora Bulq vs Galen Marek.( I know you’ve considered it before.). QuiGon Jinn vs Aryn Leneer.
What about putting Malak against another upper level council master who is a notch below Windu like master Shaak Ti. It would be a more even matchup and both are Makashi/Ataru hybrid users so it would be really interesting to match them up.
Darth Krayt vs Darth Vader. While outside of his armor Krayt rivals Sith like Sidious and Vitiate and would best Vader with only minor difficulty, I think Krayt in his armor would be a good match up for Vader, as while he is slightly stronger than Vader at this point, its a small gap. Their physicality, tactics and developed skill are roughly equal, though Krayt obviously has more experience due to living over a century longer.
9/10 Mace wins, the only way i see Malak winning is through a serious mistake on Mace’d part. Opening up with Ataru, Makashi, or Juyo/Vaapad would be a death sentence. As any initial attempt to bewilder Malak would be immediately cut short. Where Mace’s first attack would be parried and Mace would lose his hand or be stabbed through the heart. However the thought of Mace not opening a defensive posture is unlikely imo. Easily gauging Malak then implementing Vaapad for the win. Even if Mace goes purely defensive with Soresu, he will still come out on top.
Mace has lost against darkside users before, and his Vapaad didn't help him win the fight in that situation. The performance he did against Palpatine was the best he's ever done against a darksider using Vapaad because of. 1) Palpatine being a literal Nexus of darkside energy to draw from, 2) Sidious needing Anakin on his side, and 3) Sidious choosing not to kill Mace first when he did the Sith stun roar. It takes Mace a little time to get into Vappad and start using it, so if Sidious killed him first instead of choosing to spare him after he already took out the other masters, then Mace would have never gotten a chance to get into Vapaad in the first place. It's hard to judge Malak's potential and fighting prowess just from the video game. Is Malak in the Revan novels? If you want to say that everything Malak does in the video game is canon for his character, then I remember him being able to force freeze you even as Revan, so I don't see why he couldn't do that to Mace and then cut him down. Revan has an incredible will, but Malak easily plows thru it in order to freeze him and his companions in place.
Somehow I really don’t see Mace beating Malak, just based on Revan’s performance against him during the final battle on the Star Forge. Regardless of the buff Malak had from all the free bodies he got to absorb the Force from to regenerate his health, Revan still beat him with High Difficulty, and Mace would be utterly stomped against Revan.
You are under arrest, my lord. Nice little video. So, the superconducting loop only works against Dark Side users, right? What if Mace Windu was fighting someone who channeled the Light? Would the loop feed off of him or would it just not come into play? Would that give, and forgive me for sounding like a broken record here, someone like Leia Organa Solo a shot at beating Windu?
I agree with the results, also another thing to note is that the Star Forge wouldn't even make a difference in the scenario for another reason apart from fueling Vaapad, that being it didn't provide an advantage over Revan who as far as the power level is concerned is on par with Windu: it really didn't provide a major advantage either because of Revan's tactical ability he was able to break the binds on the dead Jedi, Mace Windu would have been able to do the same thing with Shatterpoint. Now I have two more things one is a duel suggestion Revan at his best versus Palpatine, I'm off the opinion that Revan would win because of his tactical mindset, his advantage in physicality, his skills as a Lightsaber duelist, and his force abilities having counters for Palpatine's own powers. The other thing I'll note is that you're wrong in assuming the retcons began with TCW in 2008, Star Wars has been contradicting and retconning itself for years: with notable examples being Heir of the Empire saying that the reason for the Dagobah Cave being dark side corrupted was due to Yoda killing a Bpffashi Dark Jedi there, then saying that Yoda never visited Dagobah before his exile. Then you have Labyrinth of Evil contradicting the TWC 2003 with what exactly Anakin and Obi-Wan were doing before the start of Revenge of the Sith, I could go on but the fact is that Star Wars was contradicting and retconning itself before the Disney takeover and before TCW 2008, I personally think TWC 2008 fits in the timeline simply because the timeline itself is ALWAYS contradicting itself, and doing so on a frequent basis and was doing so even before Disney took over, I absolutely hated that retcon especially after what was given as a replacement three shit sequels, two movies that were actually decent and a fair few good cartoons and comics but little else and only two decent games in nearly ten years so yeah, there were however aspects of the EU I HATE like the Caedus arc and the Vong War which ruin Star Wars too mainly by killing off characters in stupid ways relying more on shock then on actually good story telling and don't tell me that the Vong War wasn't BS because it really screwed the setting over, the Caedus arc even more so and is most likely the reason for the Disney Retcon happening in the first place. Anyway, the best way to regard Star Wars is with personal Headcanon that's the way I regard it, you have your own I have mine, but for goodness sakes don't tell me that TCW was the reason for all the Retcons because Star Wars has been retconning itself for years.
Hahhaha yes, an obvious conclusion as you say, however, as you pointed out, Malak is stronger than people give him credit for. PS: I think you should do a remake of Broken Butchers (Vader vs Malgus).
Darth Krayt( armored) vs Darth Maul: a mismatch to be sure, but I think it would be interesting. They have similar skill sets , yet their tactics and build are completely different. Krayt has Vader’s strength and durability with dooku’s stamina, while Maul is a lean, agile speed demon. Both have inhuman pain tolerance. I’d argue in combat Mail is a better tactican, but otherwise Krayt is more intelligent and has more to work with in powers and technique. Both are masters of niman, teras kasi and jar kai, but Krayt has more experience while maul is more unpredictable. Krayt prefers dual blades but excellently uses one , where Maul’s saberstaffkeeps him to certain angles. I’d argue Mail is superior in hand to hand combat, but really there’s only a handful of characters who truly are better than Maul unarmed. Krayt undeniably has greater force powers and more of them than Mail. These are two of my favorite sith and I actually think Maul would have done very well in the one Sith as while Maul was highly intelligent he wasn’t really able to function outside of sith parameters and had little personality beyond his desire to serve, as like you point out he was basically a cult follower programed to be a certain way and had difficulty acting outside his programming effectively . I think he would have had a position like Nihl or Talon.( maybe replace Stryfe as fist.) a more even match up would be Mail vs Stryfe or Nihl.( or even talon.) as aside from lighting they are on comparable levels of force power.( Maul would be the superior duelist to all three though.) Nihl or talon might be a better tactican ( barely ) but Maul’d definitely outsmart the dumb brute that is Stryfe. I’d like to see more legacy are characters in general, it’s one of my favorite eras and I’d love to hear your thoughts on : Wolf Sazen, Darth Azard, Antares Draco or Any of the others.
Luminara Undluli vs Ashoka Tano( TCW season 7), Githany vs Aryn Leneer, Sylvar vs Galen Marek, Lucien Draay vs Darth Talon, Assajj Ventress vs Aryn Leneer. Barrie offe vs Aylaa Secura.
Malak was a worthy dark lord and much more cunning than he’s given credit for. Have mixed feelings about his saber style but only a handful of Jedi could beat him with the sword so it obviously worked.
"Malak has only used force drain against inert targets incapable of resisting him." 7:16. Indeed, the story and gaming script requires Malak to ONLY use Force Drain on his Jedi captives and not the player when on the Star Forge. Yet in the Leviathan confrontation where there were no captive Jedi, Malak used Force Drain against me in my multiple playthroughs. I don't know if this is a fluke, or if the scripting is different enough, either way I think Malak does use drain on live Jedi since nearly every acolyte you face in game uses the power.
I really need to ask something that has been clawing at my mind for awhile, that being: Who would win, Grand Admiral Thrawn, or Darth Revan? But here's a twist, instead of putting these two in a lightsaber/blaster duel (Which Revan would most certainly win, hands down), let's make the fight more like a fleet battle in space, something which Thrawn would have a MUCH better chance at defeating Revan in. In essence, I want to see who was a better space battle tactician! Let's make the scenario much like The Battle of Bilbringi (without Thrawn's Noghri bodyguard being there to assassinate him), mainly because that was the largest single battle in scale between Thrawn, and The New Republic during his campaign against The New Republic (and also the most climactic, imo). Malak will not be there to betray Revan like he actually did before KOTOR. I want to see a direct confrontation scenario between what are (in my opinion) two of the greatest tacticians in Star Wars EU history, with no sort of help/interference from those two problems that could arise in this very battle. Let's also have Revan leading a New Republic fleet (basically standing in for Admiral Ackbar during this battle), instead of an Old Republic-era fleet (Which is terribly outmatched technologically speaking), which would be slaughtered easily by Thrawn's more modern ships. Can this happen?
Something I’ve been meaning to ask: can Vader kick? It’s happened in a handful of video game and comic appearances, but in no major appearance in a novel or a film does Vader utilize kicks after becoming a cyborg. I always thought his cybernetics were so heavy and his blade were so tight that he couldn’t/ didn’t need too. He’s obviously seen useing punches and elbows and head butts, but it’s a little bit of a gray area. After quigon jinn you have the best records of Vader on CZcams.
He has done it, but only rarely. I regard it as one of those strikes that he only goes in for when he knows he can guarantee landing it. Otherwise, he'd be caught completely overextended and off balance.
Are we sure that Mace lacks the capability to defend against force lightening that makes contact though? I mean his hand and lightsaber were just cut from him by someone he thought was an ally in that moment.
because he never expected anakin to be the shatterpoint. Windu would sense malak's attempts with force lightning and can use his lightsaber and vaapad to redirect it
I wonder if you would have any interest in redoing the Versus Short: Darth Malgus vs Darth Vader, given what you've learned about each character and your development as a combative analyst and Versus match-maker. Even if the video were to be another short or Strikezone like this one.
I don't think Vapaad or Shatterpoint are necessary for Windu to win in the force department, his telekinetic power and control on their own are enough imo. He could unleash big force waves pretty casually against droid armies, he smashed Sora Bulq with a force push and on Haruun Kal, argueably a darkside nexus, he could split his attention to levitate himself (and a man clinging to him) and stabilize a large sandcrawler, after having already triggered and guided a sort of avalanche.
i'd imagine that mace windu would win fairly easily as he is a vaapad practitioner and therefore would be able to feed off the very anger that darth malak relies on for his juyo techniques
Hey, my man. I'm sure you have a lot of projects going on but have you given a bit of thought of if you'll use Qui-Gon again in the future? Would love to see you come back to him.
I believe that Palpatine threw a fight that he knew he couldn't win. He understood that Windu was beyond his ability to defeat outright, so he resorted to other means.
Hmm, I always thought windu vs sidious would end in mutually assured destruction. Vaapad loop keeps going until a big explosion of force energy occurs.
Hi I'm sorry I'm late, I swear CZcams notifications weren't working, either that or I just missed it. Anyways, I'm aware of your stance on Disney wars, but star wars visions was stated to be non canon so it would be nice if someone in this community would give me their opinion, since I'm not a very hardcore legends fan due to age. Doesn't have to be Connor that responds, anyone would do (pls Rob George respond), cuz I can't reliably find any 'Legends' fans elsewhere that would be willing to give their opinion on the new trailer for Star wars visions. Just so we're clear, the purpose of this comment is not specifically to ask Connor of his opinion for Star wars visions. It's fishing for opinions on Star wars visions in general, since anyone that watches this video and reads this comment should be an old EU fan. I hope I didn't come across as too obnoxious or demanding, and if nobody responds I'll be slightly disappointed but I'll understand if you don't want to waste time responding.
It appears I have been summoned. I’m a big fan of anime/manga so visions def has caught my interest. Could turn out really good or bad but I haven’t paid to much attention. Looking forward to whatever studio trigger makes though. Triggers production and Neal Patrick Harris on dub?
@@robertgeorge4602 Same. I love both anime and the franchise so I am cautiously optimistic, so to speak. Looks great so far and doesn't seem like it has any political agenda or is driven by an agenda or feminist characters, so I'm praying that it will be good. The helicopter lightsaber in the trailer is kind of ridiculous, but then again, the series isn't canon or isn't an official media. It's more like the Lego Star Wars Freemaker adventures, but instead of the lego star wars being a parody retelling, it's just for anime fans to get into the franchise
Darth Malgus vs Galen Marek: it sounds like a mismatch at first glance, but it’s more even than it looks. Malgus is physically stronger than Marek and might be slightly more durable but otherwise they are roughly on par in terms of agility speed and stamina , thanks to Marek have. Minor enhancements while Malgus has more substantial cybernetics I’d give Malgus a slight edge here but not by much. Marek endured the strength of Vader and I few Malgus as slightly below Vader in strength, the more worrisome part would be that strength matched with great speed and agility. In terms of raw developed skill with a blade they are roughly on par ( I concede Malgus has much more experience and may even have more developed skill, but their style and tactics are very similar in blade to blade combat) They utilize multiple styles to make them well rounded combatants and often face superior duelists( in terms of developed skill) on a regular basis. Both have skill in unarmed combat though except for Malgus strength they are roughly even unarmed ( grappling, kicks punches) combined with their Sabre skills. Malgus is undeniably more powerful in the force, but marek uses his abilities to equal effectiveness and Marek is strong enough that it won’t be a curve stomp. Marek has displayed tutaminus effective enough to deflect blaster bolts and briefly contend with Sidious lighting.( while Malgus is stronger than Galen, he’s no Sidious.) Marek uses his environment to great effect during all his fights, while Malgus relies solely on his own ability and fails to stop opponents from using the environment against him. Even if you view this as a forgone conclusion I think it’s good enough to deserve a short.( it’s at least as close as Malak vs Windu.) their undeniable similarities are worth exploring.
Windu with the help of Vapaad and shatterpoint has an enormous advantage in lightsabers over pretty much any sith who cant keep a lid on and work a balanced game. The only persons who I can see do this to him is Dooku DoE Bane (maybe) and Darth Baras. Baras was so good at keeping a lid on that not even Satelle Shan could feel the dark side from him which would leave Vapaads edge somewhat dulled. Bara's feats are few but substantial being able the stonewall two great jedi masters and earlier Dart Angral plus keeping the army wreaking Empire's wrath on his backfeat with both blad and lightning. The only way I percieve for Windu to be beaten overwhelmingly by a sith is if that sith is skilled and efficient with combative sith sorcery since I ave have never seen a jedi in the clone wars era having the skills to counter it (pls let me now if you do have one I would love to read it). A death field or a sever force strike or something like the move Exak Kun used on Odan-Urr would be something that Windu has not been depicted neing able to endure. Sidequestion. Has it ever been established if passice force barriers have any impact on the sith sorcery spells?
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Malak was Revans second in command, hes WAY more powerful than hes given credit for
Edit: if Mace Windu had been around in the Old Republic era then the Sith would have had a real problem. I'm in the camp that Windu legitimately beat Palpatine and that it wasnt a trick
I'm convinced that Malak was beating Master Kavar from KotOR 2 in a lightsaber duel when Admiral Karath called him about capturing Revan and Bastila. And that's why Canderous/Mandalore thought he was dead.
Somewhat in between Palpatine purposely threw but later on it got out of hand
In the ep3 novelization it states that Palpatine tossed the fight (specifically, he stopped using force lightning just as Mace couldn't hold on any longer). I would recommend you read it, it is a fantastic book.
Mace only stood a chance in terms of lightsaber combat once he fully dived into Vapaad. In other words, the scenario we got.
It's very clear that if that fight had been a legitimate 1v1, Mace would have been screwed. He needed time to adjust with Vapaad (something Palpatine's opening blitz wouldn't allow) and he never had a chance inna direct Force contest
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That's not true. Mace Windu had no problem diving into Vapaad.
Legends is canon, not disney.
When I first read this title, thought it was a joke video. Turns out I was completely wrong.
Really impressed with the degree of articulation and detail in less than 10 minutes.
As for windu winning, yeah no question he wins. Vaapad is a pain for most darksiders to deal with (unless your an lawful evil sith like Vader or krayt). Though just like in yoda vs malak, this video makes it clear that malak is a beast in his own right.
One small thing, malak is a confirmed user of sith sorcery and alchemy. Sorcery can be a very hax ability. But malak doesn’t appear to use it in combat to the level of exar Kun or omin, so I get why it wasn’t brought up.
>One small thing, malak is a confirmed user of sith sorcery and alchemy. Sorcery can be a very hax ability. But malak doesn’t appear to use it in combat to the level of exar Kun or omin, so I get why it wasn’t brought up.
It's similar to comparing Malak's command skills to Revan's. Comparing any Sith sorcerer or alchemist to the all-time greats is like comparing Malak's tactical and strategic prowess to Revan's: It'll end up with Malak constantly shadowed by Revan. Malak is capable, in both the realms of esoteric Sith abilities and Military command, but he isn't a genius prodigy in either realm.
I would say that Malak studied sorcery the same way Bane did: to complement his overall understanding of the dark side while lacking the "innate gift" for the art like Darth Zannah or Naga Sadow.
1st thank you for the heart jensaarai1!
2nd, I was under the assumption malak learned sith sorcery and alchemy to help his research of the star forge. Comparing malak to omin wasn’t a good comparison. But malak is like half warrior half scientist.
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While I agree with the final verdict, I think the biggest difference between Malak and Sidious as Windu's opponent is raw physical potential. Malak isn't going to get tired or be staggered by physical blows, and his armour and formidable physique will allow him to tank non-decisive blows. Nothing less than decapitation will end this fight, and while Vaapaad is spectacular, it is also a knife's edge. If Windu loses focus or slips up during this duel, he could very easily lose.
Absolutely true but windu would probably win but that's something to think about
As you've stated in a previous video about Lucian Draay, it seems Malak is the exact kind of Sith that Windu was optimized to fight.
Yes, the conclusion may be obvious but the analysis is always a pleasure. Glad you're still here.
I believe Evannova 95 stated in his Caedus vs Mace video that he divides the dark side users into two types, ones who use the “burning effect” eg palpatine who goes full maniac kill everyone with rage and the “chilled” users more like Dooku and Vader who are more cold and detached. Would you agree with Evan’s assessment and his statement that Vaapad wouldn’t be as effective against the more “chilled effect” users ie Dooku???
Good short video though and though it is more of an obvious outcome as you stated it was still fun, looking forward to Dooku vs Malak! (Bets on Dooku though)
I think Jen is where Evan got the idea from, actually.
It’s possible, just curious if he agrees with the assessment
It’s possible as another CZcams Antoine Bandele brings it up too in his videos that use mace windu.
I would agree that the cold ones are very hard to get an advantage over with Vapaad. Since they dont cut loose and eminate so much emotion there is not as much force for Vapaad to get going and start the loop.
I guess it'd still depend on what the user channels as they could be channeling power while not expressing it, a furnace or simmering pot akin to something more outwardly like a flamethrower/dragon. Dooku was chill, but you hypothetically counter Krayt's self-preservation that way, whether as a matter or leeching energy or even turning it into him like increasing the armor killing/degenerating him.
Hot damn I've been looking forward to an evaluation on Mace Windu.
Whoa!! A surprise video with 2 popular fan-favourites, and both Form 7 specialists!!! Jensaarai’s you are amazing.
I remember when you uploaded a “Favourite Martial Breakdown” videos years ago, you attached a Mace Windu breakdown to it, but that one never appeared in a later video. Now the chance to see your opinions on Windu, and a preview of Malak for Dooku/Malak is so, so, damn I’m pumped!!!!
Malak's greatest strength is basically backfiring on him in this match up. His dependence and strength in the dark side empowers Mace in a loop on top of Mace's skill already and ends Malak.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one....I've been looking forward to this.
Im glad that at the very least that you were able to be thorough enough to show that Malak is NOT absolutely STOMPED by mace, Rather that Mace is Actually well put together to take Malak down with mild Difficulty...either way always good to see Darth Malak used....Even if the result is obvious... Thanks.
I really like your short form content (although not as a replacement for your longer stuff) and I hope that this video gets a bit of YT traction, because you deserve it. Either way, I'm looking forward to Malak vs Dooku.
I won’t expect a Post- mortem analysis since you have already nodded to Windu in comparisons as a Tier 2 fitness and Tier 1 martial artist + Force Wielder. I am curious about Darth Malak’s standings, though. Tier 2, or Tier 1.5-1 as a Force Wielder or Martial Artist?
I would personally say Malak is a Tier 1.5 overall. He has a Tier 2 physique due to his height and obvious musculature, as well as his penchant for being overbearing in a duel. He beat Kavar after all, who is one of the best swordsmen of the era, and a member of the Jedi Council. He is a Tier 1.5 Lightsaber duelist due to his skill and multiple disciplines, as well as how he intelligently blends Force abilities and lightsaber combat, and a highly refined military mind. He is a Tier 2 or 1.5 Force wielder due to the variety, his refinement of his abilities, and the intelligent use of them. He is definitely a great of his era, but not an all-time great like Tier 1s. To be fair, his master is also a Tier 1.5 but for different reasons. I would say he is lesser than some Tier 1.5s like Dooku or his master, Revan, I think Malak is in their ballpark. He is definitely too skilled to be in Tier 2 in my opinion. Plo Koon is great and all, and Obi-Wan is amazing as a duelist. But, I just think they wouldn't beat him. The main reason I would say that Malak is not Tier 1 is because he (similarly to Dooku) is not willing to relinquish himself to the Force or to absolutely dominate it like many Tier 1s.
Agreed, and I'll be looking forward your collab with Evan. Have you guys ever considered making in depth style vs style comparisons? I find the topic interesting considering that each style in the hands of a particular artist can become infinitely more viable. Take Niman for example: it's basically Shii Cho with downloads from 2,3,4, and 5, which makes it good for the academic who's content learning someone else's method as opposed to inventing - whereas Shii Cho might actually work better in the hands of improvisational thinkers like Qui-Gon Jinn or Kit Fisto because it's simpler and leaves more room for creativity. It also poses the question, how do classical styles measure up to Vapaad? Can Shii Cho's creativity match up to 7's ferocity? Can Soresu find 7's weakness in time? Can Djem So potentially overpower form 7? Can Makaashi survive against that kind of speed and power? Just examples, but I'm sure there are plenty more.
Me: "Holy shit, finally, new Jensaari. Wait, less than ten minutes long?" _looks at title_ "Yeah, seems legit, this'll be an entirely one-sided fight."
Condensed or not, I,m always happy to see your content.
This was another great video to watch, as always. I'm still awaiting to see ur Kao Cen Dharach vs Kas'im video and I'm already trying to guess who you'll pick as the victor.
Always a pleasure to see another vid from you, jensaarai. After all you are one of the best Star Wars channels on this site and better than other larger channels.
1:30 poor depa. Or not poor depa? I mean getting gunned down by clones is honestly less horrifying then the maddness that consumed her but SHE WAS SO MUCH COOLER BEFORE! I can see quite a few aincent sith getting ticked by vapaad at this point.
One way i like to justify depa's death is that after she woke up from her coma she stopped using vapaad and started practicing form 3. She would also have to use the force far more passively and thus was still in a severe handicap since she would be going through a complete technique makeover
@@jimpat2489 As much as I despise Disney Wars I will admit I did like what they did with Depa. Not only is it a much better end than being left permanently catatonic (as you said), but it's one of the few times "Legends" and Disney Wars can fit together if you squint a little.
@@Wright805 I agree with that statement, man.
I have a couple of ideas for potential versus matchups:
Sedriss vs Xanatos vs Desaan (three Dark Jedi who went toe-to-toe with the best duelists of their respective eras
Darth Plagueis vs Darth Maladi vs Darth Wyyrlok III (three Sith focused mainly on Force abilities and participated in one lightsaber duel against another Force adept)
Desaan will come out on top. I'd substitute Asajj in over Xanatos, he is soundly outmatched in this fight. Ventress still won't win, but she will contend better with opponents on this level than Xanatos (who isn't much further above your average Jedi knight).
Once again, Maladi is the outlier here. As soon as she's off the field Plagueis will likely overwhelm Wyyrlok as he is physically and martially superior by some distance and holds an edge in the Force as well, though not a commanding one.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I know. I'm saying Ventress vs Sedriss vs Desann is the better matchup.
1. I'd say Desann wins although it would be close. Not only does he have a physicality/species edge but as I recall he fared better against Luke Skywalker than Sedriss did (a more experienced Luke at that).
2. Maladi IS good but I agree she's out of her league here. As to Plagueis vs. Wyyrlok III I'm leaning towards the Chagrian due to his skill with illusions/psychic attacks. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall Plagueis displaying anything to indicate exceptional resistance to mental attack. Andeddu was an expert in illusions/psychic combat and he got washed by Wyyrlok III.
@@Wright805 plus, out of the three Dark Jedi, Desann is the only one who could use Force lightning
@@darylsdesigns6679 That too.
Glad to see you back I've been looking out for you and evannova95 keep up the good work do you reckon you could do Lord scourge vs Darth Marr or Darth jadis vs Darth nihilus
I had actually planned to do a stop-motion video on this match-up a couple months back, so I'm quite surprised that you uploaded this match-up since I assumed that you and EvanNova95 are still working on Malak vs. Dooku.
Probably Dooku
Please do that stop-motion video! I bet it would be great!
@@Wright805 I will get to do that at some point, but I just need to do other projects first.
Edit: It's officially uploaded now.
@Emperor Vowrawn What are you smoking Yoda and GM Luke are far stronger then Traya. Traya doesnt even make top 5 Sith lords in terms of strength. Palpatine > Plagueis > Vitiate > Living Exar Kun > Marka Ragnos > Freedon Nadd > Naga Sadow > Traya
Even Darth Vader would be able to kill Darth Traya.
@@allenmurallo3730 Cool!
I would love it if u did a three rings of defense lightsaber combat description video your lightsaber combat description videos are absolutely amazing like all your videos and would love it if u did one on the three rings style. Keep up the great work.
Ol dark one, thank you for dropping another great video of fun content, would be exllenct to see a full video of this.
Keep up the good work.
Ki Adi Mundi vs Lucien Draay ( I desperately want this to be a strikezone. Hearing about their skill levels and tactics in the post mortem is one of my favorite parts and these two deserve the love. Mundi survived Grevious and Ventress and was a great councilor, where Lucien was a great warrior and in many ways Mundi’s opposite: Lucien is passionate where Mundi is calculating, lucien goes from a ruthless extremist to a blind mystic while Mundi remains the same during his appearances ( though he did learn and gain wisdom, his values are never really challenged.)Lucien is human were Mundi is alien, Lucien is young while Mundi is nearing the end of his prime. They are both master warriors with highly athletic builds and Jedi council level in their raw power and skill utilizing the force.
The main reason Windu would best Malak is his use of Vaapad. However, achieving Vaapad is much more difficult than simply igniting your blade and using the Form. It’s not only a fighting style, it’s also a state of mind.
Honestly the retcon of Depa Billaba’s lightsaber color and death in the new Bad Batch show really exposed the pointless retcons of TCW. Like what was the point? Depa was a background character in the show anyway why change anything in the first place? It made me so mad when I saw it that I made a full blown LEGENDS Depa Billaba script for a versus series matchup.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that her death in the Bad Batch retconned her original death in the Kanan comics from 2015.
Absolutely maddening, its like they have an obsession with controlling and dragging in every major and minor character in some way, and making sure that their EU stories are 'dead'. Its what makes me really worried about Disney potentially trying to rewrite Darths Bane, Plagueis etc.
@@allenmurallo3730 I did indeed remember and I think I’m even angrier about the retcon between the show and comic than the retcon between Legends and Canon. The fact that Disney Canon can’t even keep its own damm continuity is really concerning. The way I looked at the Kanan comic series was that it could have happened it was just that the whole story about Depa going into a coma while fighting Grevious was just a myth created by the council not to frighten the younger Jedi and she was given a new green lightsaber since her original one was lost somewhere. Then the Bad Batch just had to retcon it. (It was an awful show by the way)
@@allenmurallo3730 Literally made zero sense. What was the point? The retcon was already unnecessary since the Kanan comics depicted bilapba's death in Disney Canon and it was fine. Why retcon another retcon?
@@lapplandkun9273 Honestly, I have no idea.
Wow this many years later and Jensaarai is still using that mid-2000s audio quality.
Hey man, thank you for all the quality work over the years and take all the time you need with Dooku vs Malak. I hope you use Windu in a dedicated versus match one day but I’m genuinely curious: is that even possible? Because Vapaad alone gives him a critical edge over darksiders so no go on that whole side of the isle (maybe Vader or Dooku but I can’t say for sure). But also the number of Jedi on his level is extremely small. Is Windu HIM?
Mace Windu was 53 in ROTS, not 63. 72 - 19 = 53.
Looking forward to the collaboration video!
hey jen 10 years of listening to you has made me a monster.
Absolutely love seeing the respect of Darth Malak in this video. Just a side question but where would you place Malak’s power levels in comparison to other characters in the universe?
I'm not Jen but I would put him on the same level as Darth Malgus, he's strong but not the strongest, strength in the force can manifest in different ways but Malak's magnitude and feats are on the level of higher tier Jedi and Sith.
A new-ish format of a Vs. video. Certainly a welcome one, still detailed let looser in structure. I like it quite a bit.
I still would like to see a Darth Malak vs Shaak Ti as they're both the only known users of a Makashi/Ataru Hybrid fighting style only there both employ the hybrid style differently. With Shaak Ti combining the elegant bladework of Makashi with the Acrobatics of Ataru. While Malak's use of Juyo combined the elaborate bladework of Ataru with the fencing footwork of Makashi.
That and I also like to see Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt, and Lumiya vs Celeste Morne.
Malak vs Ti is definitely an interesting matchup and while I think he has an edge over her in terms of force abilities, it’s not a big game changer for Malaks favor and it would still be an uphill battle for him to get a victory over ti.
As for darth krayt vs superboy pri- I mean exar kun, if it’s vector krayt then sadly I’d have to give it to kun as krayt armor despite its merits still brings him down pretty badly. Reborn Krayt on the other hand would definitely give a good fight and I think he would take the win against kun.
The last one I have no clue.
Rico chico malico (now known as Rico Loves Games) and Rob Terra did a collaboration video regarding Exar Kun and Darth Kraytt.
@@allenmurallo3730 oh that finally happened??? Cool.
@@MusicFan752 Yeah, it's on Rico's channel if you're curious.
Ha!!! Eat it Exar kun!!!
Love this Channel. I use to watch Jensaari in highschool.
I have a personal Theory that in the Star Wars Legacy era the imperial Knights , because of their more combative focus, were actually all tier 5 at the weakest. However, I also believe that except for their best fighters ( Draco, Krieg…. Two or three others) they generally cap out at tier 5. They all can contend with sith ( yes there are a lot of comparative weak sith in this era but a sith is still way too dangerous for tier 6 to survive.) I think that’s why that they are all capable combatants, but only a handful are truly council level warriors like Draco.( a personal favorite. I like his passion and multi layered personality. A strong sense of duty and loyalty but held back by his arrogance and desires. In a lot of ways he’s how I picture anakin should have been portrayed.)
Always great to see an upload by you and the rest of the council.
Short but solid.
Ki Audi Mundi and A’sharad Hett vs Lucien Draay. Wolf Sazen vs Aryn Leneer. Celeste Morne vs Bastilla Shan. Skorr vs Lucien Draay. Darth Azard vs Nadar Vebb. Darth Baras vs Darth Zannah vs Darth Marr. Jaden Korr vs Tholme. Darth Wredd vs Aayla Secura. Tsyr and Bok( Morgukai warriors) vs Jango Fett and Kir Kanos.
Any chance you could do a breakdown of Antares Draco, Wolf Sazen, Celeste Morne , Alema Rar or Aryn Leneer? I figured since you’ve been focusing on short videos about martial proficiency ( admittedly the main reason I watch these videos anyway) and I thought it might be more palatable to do a martial arts breakdown instead of a whole match in case you didn’t care for the characters themselves.
If Mace Windu had allowed Anakin to come with for the confrontation with Sidious, do you think that instead of turning on Windu, he'd have been able to follow through?
After all, he was on the brink of either direction at that moment. Mace Windu had decided it was safest for Anakin to stay behind, but he couldn't have known what would have happened had Anakin come along, right?
Honestly I could get used to this style. Sometimes being concise about a point and cutting through the fat is a nice change of pace.
A full length video would have been awesome! But I love this one just the same!
Id really want to see a versus series with darth sion.
Tho he ain’t powerful compare to most sith lords..
He is definitely one of the most lethal, and obviously durable.
I have missed and appreciate your work.
"And Windu is definitely stalwart enough to ARREST Malak's momentum." 😄
I choked on my water when I heard that
A idea I had that might be interesting was Darth Malak right before the duel with Revan were he loses his jaw. I think that would be interesting because he hadn’t completely fallen yet, though he was still immersed in the dark side. He would be harder to pin down but those type of things usually interest you. And you would probably have to take into account his feats as a Jedi , like defeating scores of Mandalorian warriors.( I don’t remember if he’d faced many Jedi yet.)
Boba Fett vs Kir Kanos would be fun.( the Galaxy’s best bounty Hunter vs a master combatant trained to protect the emperor. ) Wolf Sazen vs Agen Kolar. Ki Audi Mundi vs Antares Draco. Darth Baras vs Darth Sion. Darth Marr vs Arcann. Din Djarin vs Jango Fett. Embo vs Fennec Shand. A’sharad Hett vs Ganner Krieg. Tholme and Quinlan Vos ( clone war) vs Darth Maul ( Phantom Menace). ( Maul was able to best Quigon jinn who was better than either while also besting Padawan obi wan. These two are a more even match up being tier 4’s with better tactics. I say Mail is skilled enough and powerful enough to beat them, but they are cunning and unpredictable enough to pull out a possible victory.)
Bultar Swan vs Antares Draco or Quinlan Vos. Swan contended with Vader briefly, was a master hand to hand fighter and was skilled enough to survive the genosis arena and the entire clone war, defeating hundreds of opponents over her career.( though admittedly none of them were force sensitive.) evannova and fanalysis did an excel breakdown of her abilities and gave me great respect for her prowess. either of the opponents would be a strong match as they both have great raw power in the force and are two of the most seasoned duelists of their era.
I like to imagine Sam L watching this video and rooting for himself the whole time
Wolf Sazen vs Ven Zallow. Aryn Leneer vs Kit Fisto. Starkiller ( clone) vs Mara Jade. Darth Wredd vs Obi Wan Kenobi ( Phantom Menace). Darth Vader( pre Cyborg) vs Lord Vindican. Darth Baras vs Darth Marr. Darth Jadeus vs Darth Sion. Bastila Shan vs Celeste Morne.
Kit Fisto vs Arryn Leneer. Lucien Draay vs Antares Draco. Quinlan Vos vs Jaden Korr. Wolf Sazen vs Darth Maul. Darth Azard vs A’Sharad Hett . Darth Nihl vs Exar Kun. Ashoka Tano vs Cay Qel Droma.
Would love to see Darth Krayt vs Exar Kun.
Rob Terra made that match
You should startuploading htese as podcasts! Would love listening to them on the go
"Pre 2008 Legends continuity "
ALWAYS music to my ears . I don't get mad about Disney channel, cuz I've literally accepted it doesn't exist. Except for kylo Ren because he was cool, and Daisy Ridley cuz I would give her six kids lol
Mace should win the only Sith who should not be effected by Maces Vaapad are Tyrannus And Revan
A Shaak Ti vs Darth Malek matchup would be a more even battle and there would be a less obvious winner than we have here.
Jensaarai escapes Evan's basement to bless us with another video.
Mace was 53 years old when he died, not 63
KIR KANOS Vs Embo and Cad Bane. Hunter vs Jango Fett. Din Djarin vs Cad Bane. Alpha vs Captain Rex. Appo vs Hondo Karr. Jyn Erso vs Sabine Wren. Fives vs Bo Katan.( admittedly not the best match up, but Fives is my favorite clone and Bo Katan deserves some love.)
I am sure everyone has asked you this at some point but could you do a full VS match up with Mace Windu at some point? Thanks. Love your videos and this one was very well done
A’sharad Hett vs Rahm Kota. Lucien Draay vs Ki Adi Mundi. Quinlan Vos vs Assajj Ventress.( both legends). Darth Wredd vs Obi Wan Kenobi ( phantom Menace). Tholme and Quinlan Vos vs Darth Maul. Darth Baras vs Darth Sion. Darth Marr vs Darth Revan. Das Jennir vs Kir Kanos. Starkiller ( clone) vs Aryn Leneer. Galen Marek vs Kit Fisto. Celeste Morne vs Darth Zannah. Depa Belaba vs Sylvaar. Sora Bulq vs Galen Marek.( I know you’ve considered it before.). QuiGon Jinn vs Aryn Leneer.
I agree with your stated conclusion, haven't watched the whole video yet. I don't see Malak having much chance against Mace.
What about putting Malak against another upper level council master who is a notch below Windu like master Shaak Ti. It would be a more even matchup and both are Makashi/Ataru hybrid users so it would be really interesting to match them up.
Darth Krayt vs Darth Vader. While outside of his armor Krayt rivals Sith like Sidious and Vitiate and would best Vader with only minor difficulty, I think Krayt in his armor would be a good match up for Vader, as while he is slightly stronger than Vader at this point, its a small gap. Their physicality, tactics and developed skill are roughly equal, though Krayt obviously has more experience due to living over a century longer.
9/10 Mace wins, the only way i see Malak winning is through a serious mistake on Mace’d part. Opening up with Ataru, Makashi, or Juyo/Vaapad would be a death sentence. As any initial attempt to bewilder Malak would be immediately cut short. Where Mace’s first attack would be parried and Mace would lose his hand or be stabbed through the heart. However the thought of Mace not opening a defensive posture is unlikely imo. Easily gauging Malak then implementing Vaapad for the win. Even if Mace goes purely defensive with Soresu, he will still come out on top.
Mace has lost against darkside users before, and his Vapaad didn't help him win the fight in that situation.
The performance he did against Palpatine was the best he's ever done against a darksider using Vapaad because of. 1) Palpatine being a literal Nexus of darkside energy to draw from, 2) Sidious needing Anakin on his side, and 3) Sidious choosing not to kill Mace first when he did the Sith stun roar.
It takes Mace a little time to get into Vappad and start using it, so if Sidious killed him first instead of choosing to spare him after he already took out the other masters, then Mace would have never gotten a chance to get into Vapaad in the first place.
It's hard to judge Malak's potential and fighting prowess just from the video game.
Is Malak in the Revan novels?
If you want to say that everything Malak does in the video game is canon for his character, then I remember him being able to force freeze you even as Revan, so I don't see why he couldn't do that to Mace and then cut him down.
Revan has an incredible will, but Malak easily plows thru it in order to freeze him and his companions in place.
Excellent analysis as always 👏
I think a Maul vs Malak fight would make for a more interesting versus video.
Legends never die
Somehow I really don’t see Mace beating Malak, just based on Revan’s performance against him during the final battle on the Star Forge. Regardless of the buff Malak had from all the free bodies he got to absorb the Force from to regenerate his health, Revan still beat him with High Difficulty, and Mace would be utterly stomped against Revan.
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Nice little video. So, the superconducting loop only works against Dark Side users, right? What if Mace Windu was fighting someone who channeled the Light? Would the loop feed off of him or would it just not come into play? Would that give, and forgive me for sounding like a broken record here, someone like Leia Organa Solo a shot at beating Windu?
But wasn t supposed that Windu was also a master of all seven classical forms and Vaapad
I agree with the results, also another thing to note is that the Star Forge wouldn't even make a difference in the scenario for another reason apart from fueling Vaapad, that being it didn't provide an advantage over Revan who as far as the power level is concerned is on par with Windu: it really didn't provide a major advantage either because of Revan's tactical ability he was able to break the binds on the dead Jedi, Mace Windu would have been able to do the same thing with Shatterpoint.
Now I have two more things one is a duel suggestion Revan at his best versus Palpatine, I'm off the opinion that Revan would win because of his tactical mindset, his advantage in physicality, his skills as a Lightsaber duelist, and his force abilities having counters for Palpatine's own powers.
The other thing I'll note is that you're wrong in assuming the retcons began with TCW in 2008, Star Wars has been contradicting and retconning itself for years: with notable examples being Heir of the Empire saying that the reason for the Dagobah Cave being dark side corrupted was due to Yoda killing a Bpffashi Dark Jedi there, then saying that Yoda never visited Dagobah before his exile. Then you have Labyrinth of Evil contradicting the TWC 2003 with what exactly Anakin and Obi-Wan were doing before the start of Revenge of the Sith, I could go on but the fact is that Star Wars was contradicting and retconning itself before the Disney takeover and before TCW 2008, I personally think TWC 2008 fits in the timeline simply because the timeline itself is ALWAYS contradicting itself, and doing so on a frequent basis and was doing so even before Disney took over, I absolutely hated that retcon especially after what was given as a replacement three shit sequels, two movies that were actually decent and a fair few good cartoons and comics but little else and only two decent games in nearly ten years so yeah, there were however aspects of the EU I HATE like the Caedus arc and the Vong War which ruin Star Wars too mainly by killing off characters in stupid ways relying more on shock then on actually good story telling and don't tell me that the Vong War wasn't BS because it really screwed the setting over, the Caedus arc even more so and is most likely the reason for the Disney Retcon happening in the first place. Anyway, the best way to regard Star Wars is with personal Headcanon that's the way I regard it, you have your own I have mine, but for goodness sakes don't tell me that TCW was the reason for all the Retcons because Star Wars has been retconning itself for years.
Hahhaha yes, an obvious conclusion as you say, however, as you pointed out, Malak is stronger than people give him credit for.
PS: I think you should do a remake of Broken Butchers (Vader vs Malgus).
Darth Krayt( armored) vs Darth Maul: a mismatch to be sure, but I think it would be interesting. They have similar skill sets , yet their tactics and build are completely different. Krayt has Vader’s strength and durability with dooku’s stamina, while Maul is a lean, agile speed demon. Both have inhuman pain tolerance. I’d argue in combat Mail is a better tactican, but otherwise Krayt is more intelligent and has more to work with in powers and technique. Both are masters of niman, teras kasi and jar kai, but Krayt has more experience while maul is more unpredictable. Krayt prefers dual blades but excellently uses one , where Maul’s saberstaffkeeps him to certain angles. I’d argue Mail is superior in hand to hand combat, but really there’s only a handful of characters who truly are better than Maul unarmed. Krayt undeniably has greater force powers and more of them than Mail. These are two of my favorite sith and I actually think Maul would have done very well in the one Sith as while Maul was highly intelligent he wasn’t really able to function outside of sith parameters and had little personality beyond his desire to serve, as like you point out he was basically a cult follower programed to be a certain way and had difficulty acting outside his programming effectively . I think he would have had a position like Nihl or Talon.( maybe replace Stryfe as fist.) a more even match up would be Mail vs Stryfe or Nihl.( or even talon.) as aside from lighting they are on comparable levels of force power.( Maul would be the superior duelist to all three though.) Nihl or talon might be a better tactican ( barely ) but Maul’d definitely outsmart the dumb brute that is Stryfe. I’d like to see more legacy are characters in general, it’s one of my favorite eras and I’d love to hear your thoughts on : Wolf Sazen, Darth Azard, Antares Draco or Any of the others.
I know this match might be a stretch but what about the legends versions of darth maul vs asajj ventress
Luminara Undluli vs Ashoka Tano( TCW season 7), Githany vs Aryn Leneer, Sylvar vs Galen Marek, Lucien Draay vs Darth Talon, Assajj Ventress vs Aryn Leneer. Barrie offe vs Aylaa Secura.
Malak was a worthy dark lord and much more cunning than he’s given credit for. Have mixed feelings about his saber style but only a handful of Jedi could beat him with the sword so it obviously worked.
Fantastic as always.
I can already guess Malak's concentration will be broken.
I'd actually be curious to see if Revan could fair any better but that comes with a plethora if problems in of itself
"Malak has only used force drain against inert targets incapable of resisting him." 7:16.
Indeed, the story and gaming script requires Malak to ONLY use Force Drain on his Jedi captives and not the player when on the Star Forge. Yet in the Leviathan confrontation where there were no captive Jedi, Malak used Force Drain against me in my multiple playthroughs. I don't know if this is a fluke, or if the scripting is different enough, either way I think Malak does use drain on live Jedi since nearly every acolyte you face in game uses the power.
I really need to ask something that has been clawing at my mind for awhile, that being: Who would win, Grand Admiral Thrawn, or Darth Revan? But here's a twist, instead of putting these two in a lightsaber/blaster duel (Which Revan would most certainly win, hands down), let's make the fight more like a fleet battle in space, something which Thrawn would have a MUCH better chance at defeating Revan in. In essence, I want to see who was a better space battle tactician! Let's make the scenario much like The Battle of Bilbringi (without Thrawn's Noghri bodyguard being there to assassinate him), mainly because that was the largest single battle in scale between Thrawn, and The New Republic during his campaign against The New Republic (and also the most climactic, imo). Malak will not be there to betray Revan like he actually did before KOTOR. I want to see a direct confrontation scenario between what are (in my opinion) two of the greatest tacticians in Star Wars EU history, with no sort of help/interference from those two problems that could arise in this very battle. Let's also have Revan leading a New Republic fleet (basically standing in for Admiral Ackbar during this battle), instead of an Old Republic-era fleet (Which is terribly outmatched technologically speaking), which would be slaughtered easily by Thrawn's more modern ships. Can this happen?
I'm curious about these duels:
Maul vs Xesh
Maul vs Quinlan Vos
Quinlan Vos vs Cade Skywalker
Plo Koon vs Wolf Saazen
Something I’ve been meaning to ask: can Vader kick? It’s happened in a handful of video game and comic appearances, but in no major appearance in a novel or a film does Vader utilize kicks after becoming a cyborg. I always thought his cybernetics were so heavy and his blade were so tight that he couldn’t/ didn’t need too. He’s obviously seen useing punches and elbows and head butts, but it’s a little bit of a gray area. After quigon jinn you have the best records of Vader on CZcams.
He has done it, but only rarely. I regard it as one of those strikes that he only goes in for when he knows he can guarantee landing it. Otherwise, he'd be caught completely overextended and off balance.
Are we sure that Mace lacks the capability to defend against force lightening that makes contact though? I mean his hand and lightsaber were just cut from him by someone he thought was an ally in that moment.
because he never expected anakin to be the shatterpoint. Windu would sense malak's attempts with force lightning and can use his lightsaber and vaapad to redirect it
I wonder if you would have any interest in redoing the Versus Short: Darth Malgus vs Darth Vader, given what you've learned about each character and your development as a combative analyst and Versus match-maker.
Even if the video were to be another short or Strikezone like this one.
I don't think Vapaad or Shatterpoint are necessary for Windu to win in the force department, his telekinetic power and control on their own are enough imo. He could unleash big force waves pretty casually against droid armies, he smashed Sora Bulq with a force push and on Haruun Kal, argueably a darkside nexus, he could split his attention to levitate himself (and a man clinging to him) and stabilize a large sandcrawler, after having already triggered and guided a sort of avalanche.
i'd imagine that mace windu would win fairly easily as he is a vaapad practitioner and therefore would be able to feed off the very anger that darth malak relies on for his juyo techniques
Hey, my man. I'm sure you have a lot of projects going on but have you given a bit of thought of if you'll use Qui-Gon again in the future? Would love to see you come back to him.
Speaking of ambiguity, do you believe Windu won or Palpatine was faking it?
Also will you make a video about Vitiate/Valkorion ?
I believe that Palpatine threw a fight that he knew he couldn't win. He understood that Windu was beyond his ability to defeat outright, so he resorted to other means.
@@Jensaarai1 very well thanks.
Hmm, I always thought windu vs sidious would end in mutually assured destruction.
Vaapad loop keeps going until a big explosion of force energy occurs.
Hi I'm sorry I'm late, I swear CZcams notifications weren't working, either that or I just missed it. Anyways, I'm aware of your stance on Disney wars, but star wars visions was stated to be non canon so it would be nice if someone in this community would give me their opinion, since I'm not a very hardcore legends fan due to age. Doesn't have to be Connor that responds, anyone would do (pls Rob George respond), cuz I can't reliably find any 'Legends' fans elsewhere that would be willing to give their opinion on the new trailer for Star wars visions.
Just so we're clear, the purpose of this comment is not specifically to ask Connor of his opinion for Star wars visions. It's fishing for opinions on Star wars visions in general, since anyone that watches this video and reads this comment should be an old EU fan. I hope I didn't come across as too obnoxious or demanding, and if nobody responds I'll be slightly disappointed but I'll understand if you don't want to waste time responding.
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I’m a big fan of anime/manga so visions def has caught my interest. Could turn out really good or bad but I haven’t paid to much attention.
Looking forward to whatever studio trigger makes though. Triggers production and Neal Patrick Harris on dub?
@@robertgeorge4602 Same. I love both anime and the franchise so I am cautiously optimistic, so to speak. Looks great so far and doesn't seem like it has any political agenda or is driven by an agenda or feminist characters, so I'm praying that it will be good. The helicopter lightsaber in the trailer is kind of ridiculous, but then again, the series isn't canon or isn't an official media. It's more like the Lego Star Wars Freemaker adventures, but instead of the lego star wars being a parody retelling, it's just for anime fans to get into the franchise
Thx for responding guys UwU
Darth Malgus vs Galen Marek: it sounds like a mismatch at first glance, but it’s more even than it looks. Malgus is physically stronger than Marek and might be slightly more durable but otherwise they are roughly on par in terms of agility speed and stamina , thanks to Marek have. Minor enhancements while Malgus has more substantial cybernetics I’d give Malgus a slight edge here but not by much. Marek endured the strength of Vader and I few Malgus as slightly below Vader in strength, the more worrisome part would be that strength matched with great speed and agility. In terms of raw developed skill with a blade they are roughly on par ( I concede Malgus has much more experience and may even have more developed skill, but their style and tactics are very similar in blade to blade combat) They utilize multiple styles to make them well rounded combatants and often face superior duelists( in terms of developed skill) on a regular basis. Both have skill in unarmed combat though except for Malgus strength they are roughly even unarmed ( grappling, kicks punches) combined with their Sabre skills. Malgus is undeniably more powerful in the force, but marek uses his abilities to equal effectiveness and Marek is strong enough that it won’t be a curve stomp. Marek has displayed tutaminus effective enough to deflect blaster bolts and briefly contend with Sidious lighting.( while Malgus is stronger than Galen, he’s no Sidious.) Marek uses his environment to great effect during all his fights, while Malgus relies solely on his own ability and fails to stop opponents from using the environment against him. Even if you view this as a forgone conclusion I think it’s good enough to deserve a short.( it’s at least as close as Malak vs Windu.) their undeniable similarities are worth exploring.
Has anyone else ever looked at Malak and Malgus and thought Mezmeron from Pac-Man, or Prime-Evil from the Filmation Ghostbusters?
Wolf Sazen vs Antares Draco. Alema Rar vs Quinlan Vos. Lucien Draay vs Celeste Morne.
Windu with the help of Vapaad and shatterpoint has an enormous advantage in lightsabers over pretty much any sith who cant keep a lid on and work a balanced game. The only persons who I can see do this to him is Dooku DoE Bane (maybe) and Darth Baras. Baras was so good at keeping a lid on that not even Satelle Shan could feel the dark side from him which would leave Vapaads edge somewhat dulled. Bara's feats are few but substantial being able the stonewall two great jedi masters and earlier Dart Angral plus keeping the army wreaking Empire's wrath on his backfeat with both blad and lightning.
The only way I percieve for Windu to be beaten overwhelmingly by a sith is if that sith is skilled and efficient with combative sith sorcery since I ave have never seen a jedi in the clone wars era having the skills to counter it (pls let me now if you do have one I would love to read it). A death field or a sever force strike or something like the move Exak Kun used on Odan-Urr would be something that Windu has not been depicted neing able to endure.
Sidequestion. Has it ever been established if passice force barriers have any impact on the sith sorcery spells?
Vader also would a sith who could contend with windu, since he fights in a cold and detached manner