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I thought they started using hide glue after 2012. They started with it in the neck pocket only. Now I believe they are all hide glue. Does anyone know the details on that.
When it comes to the binding it just hasn't been scraped enough, they spray the finish over the binding, scrape it clean, and then clear coat. You should really check out their series "The Process" on their YT channel.
I was going to get a 59 anniversary model but opted for a 2019 R0 V3. Same specs as these. It is the most perfect thing ever and wonderfully made. Fine stripes with some cross hatching in Ice Tea burst. Has a vintage look, not too in your face. Had 3 Custom Strats this year which I sent back due to playability issues. The Gibson is sweet and was straight out of the box. G and B string tuning is stable, intonation perfect.
Probably closer to 15,000. Some of the top guitar experts of all time have been fooled. Guys in the business who have handled hundreds of 50s Les Pauls. Imagine what would happen if a regular guy came across a Max Barnett or Kris Derring Les Paul? And those are 2 of the guys making them that we know about. Who knows how many fakes are out there?
I love these 60th Anniversary guitars. I was blown away by the '59 the first time I picked it up and plugged it in. Those Custom Shop pickups sound amazing to my ears-even if their price is well outside my pocketbook.
A little known fact: Original bursts did not have the top glued with hide glue, they used a Phenolic resin instead, as the drying time for hide would have taken several months. There's a video somewhere on youtube that talks about it and how they managed to run lab tests on little bits of glue that would come off in the control cavities, which is how they found out it was not hide. They did use hot hide glue for the neck joint, which is quite important.
Still nothing like the 57 Goldtops. Those reissue Goldtops are incredible and they have a perfect neck. Nothing sounds like them. To me they're even better than the 68 Custom reissues and I love the 68 reissues. I always wanted 2 Les Pauls, a custom Black Beauty ( 2 pick ups ) and a Goldtop. When I got my reissue vos 57, I was blown away how the custom buckers sound on the Goldtops. Pure perfection. From cleans to Blues to 80s Metal, all sound killer. If I could only get over the fear of breaking my Les Pauls, I would ditch my tank like Strats. Even the sammich' maker can tell when Im playing the Les Pauls. 🤘🏽
Vintage guitars have that sticky looking but slick matte finish that is really hard to duplicate but pretty much makes me go from 6 to midnight real quick. Gibson doesn't do a bad job with trying to replicate it and I rather enjoy it. Good pick on the Antiquity Burst I LOVE that burst and it has almost tempted me to purchase one. People need to realize that no matter how much you pay you're liable to have some bleeding from that aniline dye.
@@rocpile2517 the ledger contains the serial numbers for the real 1959 gibsons that was produced and shipped. it would eliminate all the fake ones on the marked.
FreddyFrom Hell: With the ledgers having how many total guitars were produced and shipped out, this gives you a total of how many exist (assuming none have been destroyed/beyond repair, which is inevitable)
I swear, I don't understand how a $6k guitar gets out without being perfect. For that price, they should even sand inside all the cavities. I just don't get it.
My MIM fender deluxe stratocaster is better finished and overall value for dollar than most of the new gibsons. Also... For a company that has been around for a hundred some years, HOW can gibson not build a neck/headstock that don't break when you breathe on them?!?
I'll admit, I'm in love with everything about these VOS models. And I personally love the new lacquer. Currently saving up for the 58' in dark bourbon fade.
I've owned a few Les Pauls over the years and never really connected with the feel or tone of any of them until I found an R7. Holy smoke, there is something special about it. It feels and sounds like a completely different guitar to any other Les Paul I've ever played since I started back in the 1980's. I'm not saying that GCS guitars are all "better", but my experience with the R7 really changed my view that all Les Pauls were basically the same and you were just paying an unreasonable premium for GCS.
Idk how many times ive fallen asleep with my R7. Maybe its the fat neck. Idk. Sounds better than any of my LPs that I own or have played and my #1 gigger before gigging was shut down.
With me it's my '56R. Maybe it's 'coz it was my first guitar with P90's but it just feels special to me. I've got & owned a lot of guitars over the years, including quite a few LPC's & Standards but this was my first Custom Shop model. Everything about it, from the neck to how it plays fits perfectly. I've bought a couple of other Custom Shop guitars since but the '56R is still a bit special.
The binding bleed isn´t necessarily there from the factory, normal use will cause it/worsen it. My historic R8 had almost none when I got it, but now the binding is almost entirely reddish on the whole neck and on the body on the treble side (where the guitar rests on the leg when I play). It´s just the way it is with historics and I think most Gibson lovers see it as a feature.
The lightly used 2014 R8 VOS I bought had very light bleed and only around the first few frets. It's one of the reasons I know how little it was played. In a couple of months, I fixed that problem and now there's pinkish hue all up and down the neck binding. ;-)
@@lescaster2179 Same as on my. By the way, mine wasn´t a complaint. I myself love the reddish hue on my R8. It makes it more personal and feels as if the guitar reacts to being played.
I don't know why I watch these, I can never afford one. I just got the Epiphone 1959 Les Paul Standard in Aged Dark Burst. They come with Gibson USA pickups, CTS pots, Mallory capacitors, 50's style wiring & Switchcraft USA pickup selector switch & output jack. As close as I'll ever get!!!
I love my 50th anniversary 59 from 2009 its the cherry burst and i believe they only made 250 of them and 250 of the dark burst it was expensive but i still have it 15 years later and if i do the maths that about $670 a year so when you look at the Murphy Les Paul’s that cheap .
Why didn’t they include a birth photo ❓❓❓❓ I really like the 2019 60th anniversary you had ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️it had the best woodgrain I’ve ever seen I am so in love with that guitar and would love to buy it if you could get a hold of the current owner I would appreciate it if he’s willing to sell I am very interested 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Two of the "features" that are mentioned, the VOS finish and aniline dye bleed, have become somewhat treasured on my 2014 R0. I feel that I play the guitar more since I am not worried about scuffing the finish and ironically, it is becoming glossy in the high wear areas. The dye bleed makes a guitar even more unique as the red color seeps over the binding with time. No two will age the same!
Dude thats Awsome! the guitar new from the box,came with the shadowing,pickguard outline allready on it,..Historic Makeovers actually offers that as a service option.I have to check my 60th Anniversary R9 and 2018 R0 to see if mine have it. “Booty Burst”
If I could afford one , I wouldn't mind a version 2 or 3 . $6k or whatever it is in British Pounds is a shed load of money , you could buy a good used car ,but no matter how well you treat the car ,it will wear out & become valueless within 10 years, whereas you could enjoy playing one of these guitars every day for the rest of your life and if you did have to sell it 10 years down the line for example ,you have piece of mind that it's still valuable.
the x on the top is what i can almost swear is the x used by the luthier or tech in shop to mark the side they were going to use for the top because its book matched....i also will add where these are period correct reissue all the appointments you complain about were actually seen during the time period to make it more to authenticty ...my grandpas gibson from e late fifities had stainblead on binding
Trogly, I have an honest question. I NEVER hold 2 guitars at the same time because I always end up dinging them together sooner or later. I have never seen you do that. Is that because: A) you are awesome or B) you occasionally hit the guitars together like a mortal being but edit it out and swear off camera?? Which one is it?
The toggle switch puncturing the top of the case isn’t a surprise. I have a LP copy that came from the Sears catalog in the 80s. I have a genuine Gibson case for it and the lid of the case is punctured in the same spot
My dad has a friend with an original burst. I hope it's real. He's got it in his down stairs vault. I've held it but just for a second. I don't want to be responsible for that thing.
you probably help the counterfeiters with the Kluson info. just kidding. I love the middle position sound on the demo. I like how picky you are on the QC. for the price, they really should be perfect. for me, you can mod the heck out of a studio and get equal or better play - fraction of the cost. those who dig the mystique, go for it. good work Trogly. Ü ♫
The original bursts all had binding bleed, it was caused by the aniline dye. Yes, Gibson did sort out the problem... THEY STOPPED USING ANILINE DYE, that's why you don't get bleeding on modern burst Les Paul standards. But, to be HISTORICALLY CORRECT, aniline dye is used for the R8/9/0. Sending a historic back because its TOO historic lol. If you want it to be less historic use a UV lamp on it. The bleeding will fade.
Sure, but you CAN return them for those issues if you so choose. Gibson Custom would take that back if asked, and another would be sent free of charge.
I like how the pups don't sound as hot. Still too pricey for my blood tho. Our boy's playing has certainly improved a lot since I first started watching him too
Now you know why people put DiMarzios in their 50s-60s Gibsons. Like modern players, they didn't really want a vintage sound. Rip out the pup and throw some EMGs in it before the chain of 25 effects pedals to slam whatever amp. Ya gotta match your rig.
Really enjoyed this video! I bought a ver. one of this guitar in Deep Cherry burst. I was very surprised when I received it that I have serial number 0 0008. Is that as big a deal as I think it might be? Thanks for making such great videos. So glad I found your channel!
Why are some referred to as bottle necks?Also would love to see you review a lipstick model. When you opened the case did you hear a hallelujah chorus or angels singing
To be honest, if I had those ledgers and weren't a bad person, I'd still not sell them for just 59,000. I'd get as much publicity about it as possible so everyone knew I had it, then auction it off and let Gibson battle it out with the counterfeit market. Let whoever wants it the most pay good money for it. It's definitely worth far far more than 59k, or even 159k.
Nice instrument. I can't afford one, and still wouldn't buy one if I could. Truthfully I don't play well enough to justify a purchase of this magnitude. Lol. Nice though for those who can. 😎
@@leestriplin554 Agreed lol . I have to admit I get a chuckle out of the comments that go along the lines of " ThAt iS a wAstE of MoNey my $63.42 Hongkongfuey FlYIng V is bETtEr gIBsOn sUck" 😂😂😂
Cool video! I have a 2007 1960 VOS (G0) in a lemon burst color. It's the best Les Paul I've ever played and this is coming from someone who currently owns a LP Custom (with chrome hardware). lt would be cool to see you do a video an the G0 series.
Trogly, so here what I’m wondering. I have a 70th anniversary custom shop broadcaster on order and have been waiting a few weeks for it to ship. And there are these. Will all this Covid stuff affect the numbers in turn making these special in any way in the future? I like to here your take on that, I haven’t heard anyone bring that up as of yet.
Nah, they'll carry over to next year, use this years serials. There'll be a quantity they decided to build. They'd have ordered the anniversary switch covers last year, so they'll have to use em up.
You know what Gibson should offer a bounty on? The prototype of the Gibson Chet Atkins Tennessean. I hear there is one sitting around somewhere in a case, unreviewed, undocumented, and not listed for sale? Would be a shame if we all die and no one ever sees it!
I am glad all these super expensive guitars were not around when I was making big money by salaried standards during my 30s and 40s. I bought some nice guitars, but most of my money went on traveling the world, skydiving, and partying while I was on shore. Now I am disabled by spinal injury and that stupid idea called aging is beginning to have quite an effect on me. No big money for toys. A more modest collection of guitars and tone producing gadgets. I am still playing lots most days though. Guitar stuff and academic stuff takes up most of my attention these days. My 1997 Les Paul Studio and Mexi strat will do -- famous last words. I am very happy with the Strat especially at the moment. I have played Gibson since the late 80s and never got on well with any Strat i had. I always sold them after a couple of months. My nephew said the Mexi Strat has the most comfy neck he has ever tried. I am really impressed with it. Fret work is almost perfect. Less so, with its tone, but it does sound like a Strat for sure and is bright and loud (stock pups do not like certain types of distortion is my only complaint, e.g. YJM type of thing that is very compressed and noisy). The thing I like about the Studio is its tone. Very good. Action is quite good after a refret. Not so keen on the neck profile. Makes my hands ache more than the Strat does. I stick with it rather than trade, because getting one for sensible money that sounds so good will not be easy. I sometimes wonder about having some shoulder shaved of the neck to make the profile more like the deep C of the Strat (it is kind of between a modern C and a soft vee). Nah. Too much hassle. Vintage correct? I am more into that with amps. I just bought a Marshall JMP 50 clone that has highly regarded cloned transformers and stuff like the real deal mustard caps, plus I have some old Mullard valves, even though I do not use them regularly (I save them to compare new ones to). I got a good deal, so did not have to pay over the odds to get those things. It does sound amazing in a way I have not heard from any modern amp I have tried or owned. That includes a 1959RR I had for a few days before it blew up and was returned. A 1987X I had as a loan from the shop while they investigated the 1959RR failure was my fav Marshall of recent years. My fav Marshall I have ever played though is still the late 70s 2203 my nephew's dad had. That thing with a distortion and a Charvel sounded like Viv Campbell in Dio's Last In Line. Amazing to play lead on. The JMP 50 clone with the TI Boost I use sounds more like Blackmore to me. A cleaner preamp than a 2203. Vintage correct does seem to get vintage tones when it comes to amps, but apart from the transformers being recreations of the old ones, I think most of the vintage tone comes from the 420v on the plates and the era of circuit. A 1967 shared cathode and soft filtering, but a 1969 tone stack. He said it gives the 1978 Angus live sound. He is right, but I have to run it on 10 to get that sound. I have to use a load box to run it that hot and i am afraid something will blow up, so i back it off and boost the amp instead making it sound more like Ritchie than Angus. R9s etc? Yeah, nah for me. Decent instruments, but I think the price is mostly for the little extras like aging and custom made plastics etc that do not interest me much. I can get a very decent playing and sounding Les Paul for much, much less. The Classic I gave to my nephew when he graduated school for example (a bribe to keep him school). That thing has a great tone, great action and has aged really nicely. The difference can go on pedals etc :D P.S. Talking of aging. What has aged really well is something really meh. A mini Hello Kitty Strat i got for my niece when she was about 8 and doing violin lessons. As a teen she no longer liked Hello Kitty and wanted us to paint it black so she could put tattoo stickers on it, but we talked her out of it. The shocking pink has aged to this really nice almost creme light salmon colour. It finally looks good. It plays well too. It's at my sister's and we grab it to play unplugged on pizza nights etc.
@@leestriplin554 Yep. It all was. Trouble was I did not make a nest egg. I thought I could stay at sea all my life, so doing the sensible land lubber stuff never occurred to me. Never mind. I had several lifetimes worth of fun and travel by my late 40s. I used to take a 90s custom shop Les Paul and rack gear to sea with me, so was never far from a guitar. I never learned much slide guitar though. I am saving that for just in case the fingers get too creaky when i hit my 60s. I'll do the Derek Trucks thing. Whoever invented aging needs a kick in the nuts :D
I agree with the others. That ledger is worth way more than $59,000. To a collector, I bet it's worth more to Gibson than a collector. If I magically had it, I would not sell it for $59k, The ledger should be worth more than a single burst so they're not even off by a small amount. They're off by a huge margin. It's like how PRS is rebuying some of those older artisan guitars they did. They payed market value so they would have examples of all the Dragons. (You should look into those if you want to document something really cool.)
I wouldn't care about those little faults, I'd just love to own one of those, but they are way out of my price range. I love Gibson's, and to me they are they best!
I like them too. I wouldn't mind the little blemishes either, but...they ARE FAR TO EXPENSIVE to be having ANY blemishes at all! Even if you can send it back for another one free of charge, for an axe that cost that much, we shouldn't have to go through ANY of that trouble, ya know? But I do like them too, but not for 7G's lol!😄
I know your a Les Paul guy. By Gibson. I would love to see you do a comparison with a Gibson Les Paul vs A Wolf WLP Sold by All in one Guitars. I bought one. It is, in my opinion. Just an all around better guitar. But would love to see you do the comparison. Thanks.
I'd say they're twice as good as the USAs and they're not a crap chute like Epiphones and USAs can be. I have an 09 VOS 1963 ES335 and it has some bleeding but the USA semi hollows don't hold a candle to the custom shop variants, and that might be more so the case when it comes to semi hollows but it has rung true in the other guitars I have played and owned. If you're and advanced player where little things like the feel of a guitar at any given moment can be a possible detriment to how nuanced your playing is or can cause you to go above and beyond your skill level and cause you to create something that will never be forgotten by those that get to hear and experience it.... then the custom shop is usually worth it (especially in the used market). That and if you have money to burn and can easily afford it. Thanks to financing you can get a custom shop guitar as a musician and $200 a month for it
The heat from one’s hand will make the aniline dye bleed over time even if the guitar comes from the factory with absolute zero bleeding. Provided, of course, the guitar is being used.
@@Charlie6969 right you are my friend. for the cash, good enough shouldn't be the standard. Imports are doing so damn well in the QC department, it's hard to justify spending the extra cash on something that simply won't compare.
I'm genuinely curious and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these hand-made for the most part? Like, the Custom Shop/Murphy Lab doesn't have a lot of employees, etc., etc. So if you're unsatisfied with minute imperfections (binding bleed, not-so-crisp plastic lines, tooling marks, things like that) does that mean you want a flawless re-issue of a guitar that was probably more flawed when it was originally made? Imo having small minute imperfections on a standard/re-issue/aged guitar would add vibe and character. It would further prove that these are handmade by humans and humans aren't perfect. Just my two cents.
So these ones are made to be looked at not played. Or more than they are played. I buy em to be played not looked at. But I do enjoy looking at em just as much my copies. Authenticity is a sound not a look
It would be pretty cool if Gibson got those papers back if they still exist!
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I thought they started using hide glue after 2012. They started with it in the neck pocket only. Now I believe they are all hide glue. Does anyone know the details on that.
When it comes to the binding it just hasn't been scraped enough, they spray the finish over the binding, scrape it clean, and then clear coat. You should really check out their series "The Process" on their YT channel.
I wood def rock either of those light weight gems
I see it as a way to get a bit of exposure. Gibson likely realizes the ledger is long gone.
Have you ever heard of the Epiphone 59 ES335 Dot? It was only available in the USA through the alliance of independent music merchants
I was going to get a 59 anniversary model but opted for a 2019 R0 V3. Same specs as these. It is the most perfect thing ever and wonderfully made. Fine stripes with some cross hatching in Ice Tea burst. Has a vintage look, not too in your face. Had 3 Custom Strats this year which I sent back due to playability issues. The Gibson is sweet and was straight out of the box. G and B string tuning is stable, intonation perfect.
Old joke:
Of the 650 1959 Les Pauls originally made, only 7600 of them survived...
Probably closer to 15,000. Some of the top guitar experts of all time have been fooled. Guys in the business who have handled hundreds of 50s Les Pauls. Imagine what would happen if a regular guy came across a Max Barnett or Kris Derring Les Paul? And those are 2 of the guys making them that we know about. Who knows how many fakes are out there?
sorry about my comment, I didn't read yours first.
@@drjsmajor Gibsons are way overpriced...buy the copy.
@@alwaysopen7970 which copy's I have been trying to find one that looks like the one in the vid do you have links thanks
I love these 60th Anniversary guitars. I was blown away by the '59 the first time I picked it up and plugged it in. Those Custom Shop pickups sound amazing to my ears-even if their price is well outside my pocketbook.
A little known fact: Original bursts did not have the top glued with hide glue, they used a Phenolic resin instead, as the drying time for hide would have taken several months. There's a video somewhere on youtube that talks about it and how they managed to run lab tests on little bits of glue that would come off in the control cavities, which is how they found out it was not hide.
They did use hot hide glue for the neck joint, which is quite important.
Aye, Emerald City Guitars, ;-)
Not much of a LP guy, but your knowledge of the instrument never ceases to amaze me and makes it fascinating!
He's well read.
Binding bleed happens to most of them on the neck after they are played. Part of it
exactly correct !!
I have seen the dye bleed on the neck binding just a few months after being made, usually on the custom shop models mostly.
Still nothing like the 57 Goldtops. Those reissue Goldtops are incredible and they have a perfect neck. Nothing sounds like them. To me they're even better than the 68 Custom reissues and I love the 68 reissues. I always wanted 2 Les Pauls, a custom Black Beauty ( 2 pick ups ) and a Goldtop. When I got my reissue vos 57, I was blown away how the custom buckers sound on the Goldtops. Pure perfection. From cleans to Blues to 80s Metal, all sound killer. If I could only get over the fear of breaking my Les Pauls, I would ditch my tank like Strats. Even the sammich' maker can tell when Im playing the Les Pauls. 🤘🏽
Would love to see a Les Paul JR custom shop featured on the channel
Vintage guitars have that sticky looking but slick matte finish that is really hard to duplicate but pretty much makes me go from 6 to midnight real quick. Gibson doesn't do a bad job with trying to replicate it and I rather enjoy it. Good pick on the Antiquity Burst I LOVE that burst and it has almost tempted me to purchase one. People need to realize that no matter how much you pay you're liable to have some bleeding from that aniline dye.
Everyone knows that those ledgers are worth at least a million bucks.
What exactly does The Ledger contain that makes it so valuable
@@rocpile2517 the ledger contains the serial numbers for the real 1959 gibsons that was produced and shipped. it would eliminate all the fake ones on the marked.
FreddyFrom Hell: With the ledgers having how many total guitars were produced and shipped out, this gives you a total of how many exist (assuming none have been destroyed/beyond repair, which is inevitable)
I believe the headstock edges are part of the VOS treatment. When I ordered my M2M through Wildwood, they asked me if if I wanted that.
Play it regularly for 10 years and it will look like that all over.
Key words...Play it regularly for 10 years.
I swear, I don't understand how a $6k guitar gets out without being perfect. For that price, they should even sand inside all the cavities. I just don't get it.
It’s Gibson. Play PRS.
Even ESP guitars leave the factory perfect for a third of that price, it's crazy.
@@SocksworthRiffs I found a used Schecter in GC for $400 that I'd put up against any of my USA Fenders or Gibsons. Amazing quality.
Seconded and I love my Gibsons. If you want a Gibson get a Gibson. If you want a flawless instrument get a PRS.
My MIM fender deluxe stratocaster is better finished and overall value for dollar than most of the new gibsons.
Also... For a company that has been around for a hundred some years, HOW can gibson not build a neck/headstock that don't break when you breathe on them?!?
I'll admit, I'm in love with everything about these VOS models. And I personally love the new lacquer. Currently saving up for the 58' in dark bourbon fade.
You should try one first as some people don’t like the feel of the VOS lacquer / goo. I personally don’t mind but have seen some that felt odd.
Great review I own the v1 60th anniversary indeed the best custom shop ever
My 2006 LP CLASSIC 1960's honeybunch with 946/500 isn't the lightest guitar in my collection, but it is the most played.
I've owned a few Les Pauls over the years and never really connected with the feel or tone of any of them until I found an R7. Holy smoke, there is something special about it. It feels and sounds like a completely different guitar to any other Les Paul I've ever played since I started back in the 1980's. I'm not saying that GCS guitars are all "better", but my experience with the R7 really changed my view that all Les Pauls were basically the same and you were just paying an unreasonable premium for GCS.
Idk how many times ive fallen asleep with my R7. Maybe its the fat neck. Idk. Sounds better than any of my LPs that I own or have played and my #1 gigger before gigging was shut down.
With me it's my '56R. Maybe it's 'coz it was my first guitar with P90's but it just feels special to me. I've got & owned a lot of guitars over the years, including quite a few LPC's & Standards but this was my first Custom Shop model. Everything about it, from the neck to how it plays fits perfectly. I've bought a couple of other Custom Shop guitars since but the '56R is still a bit special.
Nothing plays like the R series, just unbelievable guitars.
@@leestriplin554 Nothing like the 57 Goldtops.
Original Les Paul's never had their tops glued on with hide glue. They were glued on with phenol formaldehyde resin.
The binding bleed isn´t necessarily there from the factory, normal use will cause it/worsen it. My historic R8 had almost none when I got it, but now the binding is almost entirely reddish on the whole neck and on the body on the treble side (where the guitar rests on the leg when I play). It´s just the way it is with historics and I think most Gibson lovers see it as a feature.
The lightly used 2014 R8 VOS I bought had very light bleed and only around the first few frets. It's one of the reasons I know how little it was played. In a couple of months, I fixed that problem and now there's pinkish hue all up and down the neck binding. ;-)
@@lescaster2179 Same as on my. By the way, mine wasn´t a complaint. I myself love the reddish hue on my R8. It makes it more personal and feels as if the guitar reacts to being played.
I don't know why I watch these, I can never afford one. I just got the Epiphone 1959 Les Paul Standard in Aged Dark Burst. They come with Gibson USA pickups, CTS pots, Mallory capacitors, 50's style wiring & Switchcraft USA pickup selector switch & output jack. As close as I'll ever get!!!
A custom shop 59’ or 60’ burst is definitely a guitar I really want to purchase.
Ledger, could be at heritage plant still? Love my V3!!
The shipping ledger is with the guy who has the Moderne prototype.
The guy with the ledger just wants to watch the world burn.
I love my 50th anniversary 59 from 2009 its the cherry burst and i believe they only made 250 of them and 250 of the dark burst it was expensive but i still have it 15 years later and if i do the maths that about $670 a year so when you look at the Murphy Les Paul’s that cheap .
I’d take a R0 V1. Hopefully they don’t sell well so I can score one cheap!
Maybe I'm weird, but I like the binding bleed. It makes each guitar unique.
I’m just happy my 2018 Traditional is a semblance of one of these.
Yup it’s definitely “all in the hands”. That’s why I like me some mids on my amp setting
Why didn’t they include a birth photo ❓❓❓❓ I really like the 2019 60th anniversary you had ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️it had the best woodgrain I’ve ever seen I am so in love with that guitar and would love to buy it if you could get a hold of the current owner I would appreciate it if he’s willing to sell I am very interested 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Two of the "features" that are mentioned, the VOS finish and aniline dye bleed, have become somewhat treasured on my 2014 R0. I feel that I play the guitar more since I am not worried about scuffing the finish and ironically, it is becoming glossy in the high wear areas. The dye bleed makes a guitar even more unique as the red color seeps over the binding with time. No two will age the same!
I think the tops are beautiful. I would love to have one.
Hide Glue is NOT used for the top. an Apoxi is used. as was on the original bursts
Dude thats Awsome! the guitar new from the box,came with the shadowing,pickguard outline allready on it,..Historic Makeovers actually offers that as a service option.I have to check my 60th Anniversary R9 and 2018 R0 to see if mine have it.
“Booty Burst”
If I could afford one , I wouldn't mind a version 2 or 3 . $6k or whatever it is in British Pounds is a shed load of money , you could buy a good used car ,but no matter how well you treat the car ,it will wear out & become valueless within 10 years, whereas you could enjoy playing one of these guitars every day for the rest of your life and if you did have to sell it 10 years down the line for example ,you have piece of mind that it's still valuable.
Usually worth as much or more than originally priced after that 10yrs and keep going
I've never really liked bursts. They all look pretty much the same to me.
I like some of them, I'm very picky when it comes to bursts
They look better with plain tops IMHO.
the x on the top is what i can almost swear is the x used by the luthier or tech in shop to mark the side they were going to use for the top because its book matched....i also will add where these are period correct reissue all the appointments you complain about were actually seen during the time period to make it more to authenticty ...my grandpas gibson from e
late fifities had stainblead on binding
Please do the epiphone les Paul prophecy plus love the vids
SWEET!!! LES PAUL REVIEW!! CANT WAIT!!!
Trogly, I have an honest question. I NEVER hold 2 guitars at the same time because I always end up dinging them together sooner or later. I have never seen you do that. Is that because:
A) you are awesome or
B) you occasionally hit the guitars together like a mortal being but edit it out and swear off camera??
Which one is it?
I had one of the R9's come through the shop I work at the other day. Potentially the best guitar I've ever played. A truly incredible Les Paul.
Ed Lamb yes, after you play one the amount of money doesn’t matter. Oh wait now i’m broke😂
The toggle switch puncturing the top of the case isn’t a surprise. I have a LP copy that came from the Sears catalog in the 80s. I have a genuine Gibson case for it and the lid of the case is punctured in the same spot
My dad has a friend with an original burst. I hope it's real. He's got it in his down stairs vault. I've held it but just for a second. I don't want to be responsible for that thing.
I agree that the ledger bounty should be higher, because that ledger would be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
you probably help the counterfeiters with the Kluson info. just kidding. I love the middle position sound on the demo. I like how picky you are on the QC. for the price, they really should be perfect. for me, you can mod the heck out of a studio and get equal or better play - fraction of the cost. those who dig the mystique, go for it. good work Trogly. Ü ♫
The original bursts all had binding bleed, it was caused by the aniline dye.
Yes, Gibson did sort out the problem... THEY STOPPED USING ANILINE DYE, that's why you don't get bleeding on modern burst Les Paul standards.
But, to be HISTORICALLY CORRECT, aniline dye is used for the R8/9/0. Sending a historic back because its TOO historic lol. If you want it to be less historic use a UV lamp on it. The bleeding will fade.
All of the faded ones were brighter red as well. They rename the bursts when changing the tints to look like old guitars played by guys in the 70s.
QC issues on a $6k+ guitar is unacceptable.
I'm a poor man so 7 grand for a guitar is a bit much for me. Nice guitars BUT a 7,000 guitar with QC issues?!?!? No way!
Sure, but you CAN return them for those issues if you so choose. Gibson Custom would take that back if asked, and another would be sent free of charge.
@@MisterSwagify that's nice and all, but...its 7G's...no on should have to go through ANY of that extra trouble for a guitar that cost 7G's, right?
@@MisterSwagify For that price, I would want them to send me the heads of the guys who f**ked up!
@@wesleyalan9179 You are 1000% correct. There's absolutely no excuse.
@@AdultsAreTalking No excuse and nonetheless, it's happening again and again and again and again with Gibson.
From 17:36 till 17:47 you are telling ius we hear the neck pickup while in fact we hear both. Check the switch. Always enjoy your video’s.
if i were gibson i would give them the money and let them spec out a one off custom less paul with a special headstock inlay or something
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Dang Trog, you have my permission to take some guitar lessons and how to hold your pick and get the right velocity to strike your strings.
I like how the pups don't sound as hot. Still too pricey for my blood tho. Our boy's playing has certainly improved a lot since I first started watching him too
Now you know why people put DiMarzios in their 50s-60s Gibsons. Like modern players, they didn't really want a vintage sound. Rip out the pup and throw some EMGs in it before the chain of 25 effects pedals to slam whatever amp.
Ya gotta match your rig.
i still prefer my chibson to my PRS SE custom 24. its all about the balance. neither guitar is stock, by a long shot.
Really enjoyed this video! I bought a ver. one of this guitar in Deep Cherry burst. I was very surprised when I received it that I have serial number 0 0008. Is that as big a deal as I think it might be?
Thanks for making such great videos. So glad I found your channel!
The registry probably still exists. It's probably in a storage box in someone's attic, where it's been for the last 50 years.
Wow, the binding on my £300 Epi is perfect all the way around.
The binding bleed is actually an historic accuracy man.
It’s done on purpose.
they need to make it a million dollars for the book
If I find them I'm charging around 10 million. 59,000, is hillarious. This ledger is the map to the kingdom.
Austin, I hope you don't regret parting ways with that NAMM Show R9... That has to be the most beautiful guitar featured on this channel so far.
Why are some referred to as bottle necks?Also would love to see you review a lipstick model. When you opened the case did you hear a hallelujah chorus or angels singing
They need to offer a million
Hmmm... I wonder if Gibson bought the ledger for the '58 Korina Vs and Explorer reissues they just recently made and that you reviewed!
To be honest, if I had those ledgers and weren't a bad person, I'd still not sell them for just 59,000. I'd get as much publicity about it as possible so everyone knew I had it, then auction it off and let Gibson battle it out with the counterfeit market. Let whoever wants it the most pay good money for it. It's definitely worth far far more than 59k, or even 159k.
Really enjoyed the comparison vlog, I would go for the V1 if I was going to buy one.
Nice instrument. I can't afford one, and still wouldn't buy one if I could. Truthfully I don't play well enough to justify a purchase of this magnitude. Lol. Nice though for those who can. 😎
Come on man binding bleed love the channel though
Have you ever heard of the Epiphone 59 ES335 Dot? It was only available in the USA through the alliance of independent music merchants
Complaining about binding bleed on a reissue of an instrument that originally had binding bleed is so odd 😂
Commenting on the case condition is also odd. The gap between a player and a collector is vast indeed
@@leestriplin554 Agreed lol . I have to admit I get a chuckle out of the comments that go along the lines of " ThAt iS a wAstE of MoNey my $63.42 Hongkongfuey FlYIng V is bETtEr gIBsOn sUck" 😂😂😂
The bleed is what we want to see.
Nice
Trogly's in the HOUSE!!!
Would love it if you also showed how it sounds when strumming unplugged :)
It's in the Pulp Fiction briefcase!
Yep, because no one really knows what was supposed to be in there.
Damn, he goes straight to "burned up in a house fire". Easy buddy.
Cool video! I have a 2007 1960 VOS (G0) in a lemon burst color. It's the best Les Paul I've ever played and this is coming from someone who currently owns a LP Custom (with chrome hardware). lt would be cool to see you do a video an the G0 series.
I'd be curious to see your assessment of a Saito Portrait No.1 if you could find one. It's basically a Les Paul.
Trogly, so here what I’m wondering. I have a 70th anniversary custom shop broadcaster on order and have been waiting a few weeks for it to ship. And there are these. Will all this Covid stuff affect the numbers in turn making these special in any way in the future? I like to here your take on that, I haven’t heard anyone bring that up as of yet.
I've never thought of that, but interesting enough to wonder though🤔
Nah, they'll carry over to next year, use this years serials. There'll be a quantity they decided to build. They'd have ordered the anniversary switch covers last year, so they'll have to use em up.
You know what Gibson should offer a bounty on? The prototype of the Gibson Chet Atkins Tennessean. I hear there is one sitting around somewhere in a case, unreviewed, undocumented, and not listed for sale? Would be a shame if we all die and no one ever sees it!
The QC problems with this 6k Gibson makes me feel a lot better about my 2020 Epiphone
I am glad all these super expensive guitars were not around when I was making big money by salaried standards during my 30s and 40s. I bought some nice guitars, but most of my money went on traveling the world, skydiving, and partying while I was on shore. Now I am disabled by spinal injury and that stupid idea called aging is beginning to have quite an effect on me. No big money for toys. A more modest collection of guitars and tone producing gadgets. I am still playing lots most days though. Guitar stuff and academic stuff takes up most of my attention these days.
My 1997 Les Paul Studio and Mexi strat will do -- famous last words. I am very happy with the Strat especially at the moment. I have played Gibson since the late 80s and never got on well with any Strat i had. I always sold them after a couple of months. My nephew said the Mexi Strat has the most comfy neck he has ever tried. I am really impressed with it. Fret work is almost perfect. Less so, with its tone, but it does sound like a Strat for sure and is bright and loud (stock pups do not like certain types of distortion is my only complaint, e.g. YJM type of thing that is very compressed and noisy). The thing I like about the Studio is its tone. Very good. Action is quite good after a refret. Not so keen on the neck profile. Makes my hands ache more than the Strat does. I stick with it rather than trade, because getting one for sensible money that sounds so good will not be easy. I sometimes wonder about having some shoulder shaved of the neck to make the profile more like the deep C of the Strat (it is kind of between a modern C and a soft vee). Nah. Too much hassle.
Vintage correct? I am more into that with amps. I just bought a Marshall JMP 50 clone that has highly regarded cloned transformers and stuff like the real deal mustard caps, plus I have some old Mullard valves, even though I do not use them regularly (I save them to compare new ones to). I got a good deal, so did not have to pay over the odds to get those things. It does sound amazing in a way I have not heard from any modern amp I have tried or owned. That includes a 1959RR I had for a few days before it blew up and was returned. A 1987X I had as a loan from the shop while they investigated the 1959RR failure was my fav Marshall of recent years. My fav Marshall I have ever played though is still the late 70s 2203 my nephew's dad had. That thing with a distortion and a Charvel sounded like Viv Campbell in Dio's Last In Line. Amazing to play lead on. The JMP 50 clone with the TI Boost I use sounds more like Blackmore to me. A cleaner preamp than a 2203. Vintage correct does seem to get vintage tones when it comes to amps, but apart from the transformers being recreations of the old ones, I think most of the vintage tone comes from the 420v on the plates and the era of circuit. A 1967 shared cathode and soft filtering, but a 1969 tone stack. He said it gives the 1978 Angus live sound. He is right, but I have to run it on 10 to get that sound. I have to use a load box to run it that hot and i am afraid something will blow up, so i back it off and boost the amp instead making it sound more like Ritchie than Angus.
R9s etc? Yeah, nah for me. Decent instruments, but I think the price is mostly for the little extras like aging and custom made plastics etc that do not interest me much. I can get a very decent playing and sounding Les Paul for much, much less. The Classic I gave to my nephew when he graduated school for example (a bribe to keep him school). That thing has a great tone, great action and has aged really nicely. The difference can go on pedals etc :D
P.S. Talking of aging. What has aged really well is something really meh. A mini Hello Kitty Strat i got for my niece when she was about 8 and doing violin lessons. As a teen she no longer liked Hello Kitty and wanted us to paint it black so she could put tattoo stickers on it, but we talked her out of it. The shocking pink has aged to this really nice almost creme light salmon colour. It finally looks good. It plays well too. It's at my sister's and we grab it to play unplugged on pizza nights etc.
Skydiving sounds like money well invested now doesn't it?
@@leestriplin554 Yep. It all was. Trouble was I did not make a nest egg. I thought I could stay at sea all my life, so doing the sensible land lubber stuff never occurred to me. Never mind. I had several lifetimes worth of fun and travel by my late 40s. I used to take a 90s custom shop Les Paul and rack gear to sea with me, so was never far from a guitar. I never learned much slide guitar though. I am saving that for just in case the fingers get too creaky when i hit my 60s. I'll do the Derek Trucks thing. Whoever invented aging needs a kick in the nuts :D
I agree with the others. That ledger is worth way more than $59,000. To a collector, I bet it's worth more to Gibson than a collector. If I magically had it, I would not sell it for $59k, The ledger should be worth more than a single burst so they're not even off by a small amount. They're off by a huge margin. It's like how PRS is rebuying some of those older artisan guitars they did. They payed market value so they would have examples of all the Dragons. (You should look into those if you want to document something really cool.)
If I find those ledgers, negotiations start at 500k.... I am taking a look in the attic tonight.....
@ 12:12 that is Phil-X of Bon Jovi's guitar , i can tell by the X
I wouldn't care about those little faults, I'd just love to own one of those, but they are way out of my price range. I love Gibson's, and to me they are they best!
I like them too. I wouldn't mind the little blemishes either, but...they ARE FAR TO EXPENSIVE to be having ANY blemishes at all! Even if you can send it back for another one free of charge, for an axe that cost that much, we shouldn't have to go through ANY of that trouble, ya know?
But I do like them too, but not for 7G's lol!😄
Looking forward to seeing the new Epi 59 LP!
I know your a Les Paul guy. By Gibson. I would love to see you do a comparison with a Gibson Les Paul vs A Wolf WLP Sold by All in one Guitars. I bought one. It is, in my opinion. Just an all around better guitar. But would love to see you do the comparison. Thanks.
I'd say they're twice as good as the USAs and they're not a crap chute like Epiphones and USAs can be. I have an 09 VOS 1963 ES335 and it has some bleeding but the USA semi hollows don't hold a candle to the custom shop variants, and that might be more so the case when it comes to semi hollows but it has rung true in the other guitars I have played and owned. If you're and advanced player where little things like the feel of a guitar at any given moment can be a possible detriment to how nuanced your playing is or can cause you to go above and beyond your skill level and cause you to create something that will never be forgotten by those that get to hear and experience it.... then the custom shop is usually worth it (especially in the used market). That and if you have money to burn and can easily afford it. Thanks to financing you can get a custom shop guitar as a musician and $200 a month for it
Amazing flame!
That "Dirty Lemon" vibe works for me. They got the look and the sound.
The heat from one’s hand will make the aniline dye bleed over time even if the guitar comes from the factory with absolute zero bleeding. Provided, of course, the guitar is being used.
I'm constantly shocked that you're not a Gibson employee. They can easily throw you into QC, final inspections, or set ups.
They would go out of business as every single guitar would fail.
@@Charlie6969 right you are my friend. for the cash, good enough shouldn't be the standard. Imports are doing so damn well in the QC department, it's hard to justify spending the extra cash on something that simply won't compare.
Very nice rundown of these guitars!!
They didn't put the top on with hide glue. It was some kind of epoxy.
I own a V1 and it is the best one I've ever played and I've played a lot of them.
Epiphone 59’ collaboration w custom shop + new hardware = $1,000. Vs $7,000 R0.
Gorgeous guitar. 🧡
Earl's grandkid is going to prove once and for all that Earl didn't steal that damn guitar!
I'm genuinely curious and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these hand-made for the most part? Like, the Custom Shop/Murphy Lab doesn't have a lot of employees, etc., etc. So if you're unsatisfied with minute imperfections (binding bleed, not-so-crisp plastic lines, tooling marks, things like that) does that mean you want a flawless re-issue of a guitar that was probably more flawed when it was originally made? Imo having small minute imperfections on a standard/re-issue/aged guitar would add vibe and character. It would further prove that these are handmade by humans and humans aren't perfect. Just my two cents.
For someone who will probably not own one of the reissue, it’s great to hear what I’m missing! Love the info. Thanks
So these ones are made to be looked at not played. Or more than they are played. I buy em to be played not looked at. But I do enjoy looking at em just as much my copies. Authenticity is a sound not a look