Proud Family Zoey's Glow Up 🔥🔥🔥
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- My reaction to the glow up of Zoey Howzer from The Proud Family Louder and Prouder. There's many implications with her being the white nerdy friend that I want to unpack. Let me know your thoughts down below. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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The reboot should've been about Penny and her friends being in college in the first place instead of keeping them the same age as the original show,This show should've been a Continuation
I very much agree, they should've done that
I would've loved to see them dealing with college age issues.
@@TonyTurner yeah had they did, the friend dynamic would’ve likely split up into two: Dijonay with LaCi, and Penny with Zoey, unless Zoey keeps being a follower. I imagine college Penny just being friends with Zoey, Michael, and Sticky(unless they stick with the idea of recasting him with “Maya” and “KG”). The Chang Triplet, Myron and maybe Kwok would have been recurring characters with storylines of their own that dealt with bullying, standards and micro-aggression. Also, we would have gotten an update on 15 Cent and his relationship with Penny. Plus, the several episodes they have given us on the actual reboot: “The End of Innocence(S2 Ep6)”, “Grandma’s Hands(S2 Ep2)”, “A Perfect 10(S2 Ep4)”, “Father Figures(S1 Ep4)”, “Raging Bully(S1 Ep9)” and Bad Influencer(S1 Ep2) could’ve recounted experiences from the past show, incorporating them as life lessons in the revival.
Kinda like Rugrats and All grown up
@@GaiaTheNatureWitch yup
I don't mind the nerdy character that gets disrespected having the biggest glowup trope but I really wish they kept her glasses I'm tired of glasses being seen as unattractive
Agreed‼
RIGHT!
As someone who wears glasses: I'm so used to them being part of my look that I think I just look kinda off without them.
Or braces
Yeah they're not unattractive at all
i’m sick of them always downplaying zoe as the weird white girl… like no ma’am 👎🏽
I wonder what they do for Season 3 🤔
Yeah, especially dissing her looks. Why does the Proud Family have against kids that wear glasses like Zoe and Myron?
growing up is realizing Zoey was the only consistently real friend in the group
@@dorkchops zoey eas wish washy too but she wasnt as bad as the others
They could've given her a different shape of glasses at least
To the writers, the best glow up meant no glasses at all. It's all part of the glasses=ugly nerd trope
And cute nerdy girl clothes.
Maybe it’s just but but I think her glasses suit her face shape
I think Zoe's glow-up design is pretty cool, but it's a little weird that she got the most drastic change in her appearance.
Agreed. You would think that in the year of Katya’s internet 2024 that we could have a nerdy character who always seemed pretty comfortable in and with themselves have a “glow up” without completely changing everything that made them relatable to viewers in the first place. Sigh. 😕
I kinda feel like it was the ugly duckling trope,
zoey was the one made of for her looks and had a whole make over episode,
She didnt have a butt or boobs like the other girls she was probably a late developer as someone who was the ugly duckling and a red head i actually love seeing her being shown as attractive
I and lots of girls who were sticks as teenagers, got their adult body after Graduation,
I had no hips as a teen, now at 22 i have a hour glass shape (no surgeries)
I mean if it's college, it'd be five years from 8th grade.
They really should have found a middle ground between the two designs. Let her grow into her features, but keep her glasses and give her cuter frames. Don't overly change her fashion, but tweak it a little to show she has more confidence in choosing her wardrobe. And have dancing still be her thing. It always makes me so mad when writers and such put more effort into doing things poorly than it would often take to make things make sense and not send messed up messages.
Agree they could've fine tuned her design to find a good balance between the two
Also they made her shorter 😂 like how does that work? Did she shrink a few inches before going to college?
The trope of people having glasses and that meaning they’re ugly hurts my soul just a lil bit more each time i see it
For the record, you can't erase freckles, only lighten them
True...they did seem less prominent here
@@TonyTurner Zoe she was cool as a character when she was the nerdy white girl now they going to change her character to become the average white girl?!
Maybe the reboot should’ve had them in college or high school. At least then the writers would finally have to improve their personalities.
Agreed that would've took the show to the next level
Six months after graduating, the boy who harassed me with his friends for years DM’d me “This might sound weird, but we should hang lol”
I just replied “You’re right, that was weird.” Never heard from him again 🥴
Perfect reply‼😅
this is so freakin funny 😭😭😭 def the perfect reply
This is honestly relatable. I was a nerdy kid that got bullied a lot, but now, years later, consider myself handsome. Multiple people have even said I could be a model. The biggest takeaway is that who you are in highschool in no way defines you for the rest of your life. ❤
Definitely true‼
Remember the Agatha episode from the OG Proud Family where they were all doing auditions to be on the WK Teen Idol show? When Zoey went up, she had an unbelievably ethereal voice, so maybe they decided to bring that back for her college self 😂
True ‼ They probably got inspired from that episode 😅
I was mostly indifferent to Zoey's glow-up when I first saw it, but now I realize that they completely changed her character to seem more "grown-up", while everyone else pretty much stayed the same. Like Zoey herself wasn't seen as good enough. I hated that they took away her glasses. They didn't take away Myron's glasses in his college design. There are alot of adults that wore glasses during childhood that still wear them. They still look attractive, maybe even more so because they learned to choose frames that compliment their face and eye shape. It also would have been interesting to see Zoey with a shorter hair style.
Agreed on the college version of the group; it would have helped to evolve the looks and personalities of the characters. Perfect grounds for showcasing Zoe in a new light (more confident and self -assured like others mentioned).
They wouldn't even have to make her less nerdy either
@@StonedHunter No absolutely not, her nerdiness is a huge part of her charm. I quite liked the left sketches/concepts they had in mind. It feels very much like Zoe's character, but more mature and with a nicer style that didn't break from her personality.
This feels like all grown up
I wouldn't mind seeing a full series of them as college students
All glown up
I am not really happy with her glow up to be honest because yes she looks good but it says to girls with glasses like myself that you cant be acceptable or desirable unless you look like some super model.
And to be brutality honest Zoey looks like a cartoon version of Phoebe from friends then the Zoey we know and love.
I love both designs. I'm a little sad they didn't do the original because it's what I grew up with, but I acknowledge some people change as they get older. Zoey deserves the right to reinvent herself after all the ish her "friends" put her through.
The glasses trophies actually pretty ableist because like it's like telling someone who needs a prosthetic that it looks super ugly and and that they look like a freak wearing it which is very rude and not good and why do we ever have this as a trope for teenagers
@@a.t.trujillo9970 for real I’m so tired of that
Needing glasses is a disability in itself, this is actually very straight forward abilisem, "oh, this device that you have to wear in order to be able to see properly? Thats so ugly"
@@fruity4820 Fr.like yes contacts exist and so does laser eye surgery but that is NOT available to EVERYONE.I can’t just take off my glasses and poof!I can see.
Even if you have the money it's not really an option for kids / teens. Like I don't know the minimum age for contacts but the surgery is usually not done before the mid twenties because they want to make sure people are fully grown.
So generally those things only become an option after years of potential bullying.
When it comes to her character design, I noticed that in the reboot, her skin is almost actual White, compared to her original design where she had peach colored skin. Heck, as I'm, typing this comment, two of the suggested videos are your "Desirability Politics" and "Light Skin Favoritism" videos, which show old design and current one respectively, and the difference is so drastic.
I haven't watched the show, I don't need to. This gentleman spills all the hot tea for me.
😅😅😅
@@TonyTurner you're doing great!
I relate a lot to zoe! I use to be the ugly shy nerdy girl that no one wanted but now guys want me?!
I m still ugly!
Would yall like to see a college version of the Proud Family?
It will be nice to see penny and her friends in college but now Zoe she's not that nerdy girl she is the prettiest girl now she's the average prettiest girl so does it bother some of the fans that Zoe she's no longer this nerdy white girl now Zoe she is not a geek anymore now she became an average girl in college with no glasses with long hair and also she is tall 🫡 0:07
It should've been that from the beginning
yess that’s what i expected the reboot to be at first but i guess not
Yup
That’s what I though it was going to be it like, or at least late high school
I wish they kept her glasses. Different style and different colored glasses. (As a child I’d always get black square glasses. But now as an adult, I’ve chosen more colorful glasses.) They could give her long hair or could’ve given her even shorter hair, a pixie cut.
i honestly perfered zoeys original look she looked perfectly beautiful the way she was,it sucks how the show treats characters who arnt conventionally attractive as lower,like the geek characters
it was the glow up lips that threw off the design fr me tbh also the pointy chin.... like where did those come from?
@@chillleft eating Fills your face and cardio chisels your jaw, so both of those blue hormone changes
I guess that was their way of sharpening her features
Wheres her wide smile?
I wish they went with with ponytail look. It just feels better then the down hair. With the glow up/grow up i mean i thought they were going to do when I heard it was a reboot and not a time skip. Like oh Zoey going to look the cutest but no they played more heavy in her "GEEKYNESS". like she can look great but be the same zoey. Heck that could have been an episode. Where penny and the gang het jelly with how Zoey get all the attention but Zoey just want to hang out with them jot the other people becuase Zoey sees the gang was real "Friends" and not fake one, but we all know that whole hang is made up of fake friends. They the writers really just use Zoey as a punching bag.
That would've been a great episode concept ‼ I swear we'd be better writers than some of the ones they hired
@TonyTurner that curtain Hollywood writers for you. Time to do a videos series Proud Family What If
The thing with glow ups is that they can work, but you have to stay true to the original character. When changing someone's wardrobe, you still want to find something that feels like their style, but something that compliments them better than what they were originally wearing.
For Zoey specifically. Look, style changes as you grow up, I know I wear a lot more black than I used to. But, just because someone has a "glow up" doesn't mean they are suddenly better. She should still feel like the same person, and if her friends are true friends, they should treat her the same as they did before.
I've been watching your videos for a while now Mister Turner, I have to say I adore the commentary in all your videos. This is episode, Zoey's glow up I feel was something she lowkey deserved it as a character. Zoey had always been designated as the group's punching bag so for her to go from the low self-esteem having 'ugly duckling' to finally becoming just as 'pretty' as her friends really could effect their relationship going forward, if the writers ever explored it more with a new series. Someone that has always been made to feel unpretty or less than their peers, have a very hard time adjusting once they realize they aren't actually ugly or unskilled. It would be a very interesting concept to be explored if they ever made a series where the girls are in College. Zoey will find her self-worth and when she reflects on her younger years she would be able to see her 'friends' weren't really friends at all. Watching the Proud Family, I always hated how they portrayed the groups dynamics, I always found it fake and honestly unhealthy, the fact that the group of girls themselves are often their own enemy within the episodes instead of having some opposing group of girls their own age, made the friendship dubious at best. They had the Gross Sisters sure but they weren't utilized and often didn't show up that much. I just have a lot of thoughts on this topic and could talk about it for hours. Either way, Zoey deserved her glow up and maybe it will help her get better friends and teach the others that they need to value people a little more.
Thank You ‼ Great Breakdown 👏🏿
@@TonyTurner This is why I adore watching your videos because you apply logic and social commentary to the groups setting, which I feel is needed. Because some people can just watch the show for the entertainment value or the character designs but when you do a detailed analysis it really opens up conversation on social structure. Bravo man
To me, nothing says "I'm a lazy character designer" as much as having no glasses be a necessary part of a glow up.
I understand that its shorthand, but it still is confusing to me because a lot of the cool kids when I was in school wore glasses. Wearing glasses didn't make them less attractive or less cool, and they still had a lot of friends, so the fact that character designers cannot fathom a character with glasses that is still cool is baffling to me
Exactly ‼
I wanna see the proud family kids in Highschool n College series seasons, to see where they’re at now n go from there.
That would be dope ‼ I hope they consider that as an idea
@@TonyTurner I surely hope so too. N it would be so much understanding where they’d go from here. I’m crossing my fingers 🤞.
Can we talk about how they only made Zoe…the only white girl in the friend group…literally the stereotypical match for an unattractive nerd who never gets any attention? I’m almost positive that they made Zoe beautiful for college to keep people from getting mad that they made the white girl unattractive while every other character is gorgeous…it’s a flaw in both of the proud versions…😐 it’s disgusting…
6:13 😭 They could've made a good thing with this but no! It could've been an episode where like, we see Zoey worried about something and shown she is "bad" at her dancing. But because we(& the characters) know of how good at it she is in the past, we discovered that the problem isn't her being sad she 'can't dance', but something else.. like her needing to perform infront of OTHER unfamiliar people for example ..
So, when she spends time with Bobby she appreciates it all, and with freely being allowed to reveal how she'd been feeling for awhile to someone. And he teaches her, gives her time and reminisces/talks about how it is to perform. We could slowly see the over-thinking and resulting lack of confidence/stiffness go away.. Either from appreciating Bobby's listening ear, from learning new techniques of the music & dances or some healthy mix of that.
Then by the end, she'll be good as new or even better in a way. Succeeding were she thought she'd fail.
The glow up looks like someone cosplaying as her.
Honestly? I loved Zoe’s glow-up! I wish they kept the glasses, but I think that her character really ‘deserved’ it. The nerdy, not conventionally attractive, glasses girl to gorgeous is a troupe I definitely love.
She was one of my favourite characters so I might be a bit biased that way, but it just seems like Zoe really “grew up”. I think it really fit her!
You made pretty good points in the video in general about glow-ups, people treating you better, etc. Your videos are great, keep up the good work!
Thank You ‼
In all honesty, with how many mistakes their making with the re-boot, I wouldn't want to see them in high school or collage. Now if it were different writers (to where in the story line Penny can have real friends instead of fake ones) I'd probably be more interested.
I think she grew up and matured especially since she seems like she got bullied. Makes since she would grow into her old. Middle school is meant to be awarded.
She should have also got with that guy that liked her🤷♀️
Disney rarely if ever makes shows in college besides their original movies
I know...this could've been them breaking the mold. Trying something new
Zoey’s glow up design kinda looks like Sarah Lynn from Bojack Horseman
I would’ve loved a series to see them as college student 🤩
Great video bro!
Zoey has always been beautiful, cool, intelligent, sassy, and down to earth. Her character design in the reboot is nice too. I mean........she literally is in the same boat as Penny. Because this "friend group" are so superficial and just shows you have to create your own lane. People will naturally like you for the way you are. I feel Zoey being the "white girl in the friend group" is a cop out and a distaste. Zoey is cool with me always. Keep up the amazing work!!! 💖💯
Thank You ‼
If only episodes they did “When You Wish Upon a Roker” and “Us Again” in the reboot were made as the actual series. Plus, I wish they made the movie canon to Louder and Prouder because at least we know what happened to 15 Cent and how the family and friends dynamic developed since the 2005 movie(unless Dijonay and LaCi stay the same fake and trifling friends as before). I imagine college Penny just being friends with Zoey and Michael while getting reacquainted with the Gross Sisters, Chang Triplets and Kwok. Also, The Chang Triplet, Michael and maybe Kwok would be recurring characters with storylines of their own, same with new characters like Maya, KG, and LaBrea. I imagine in the revival, Zoey grows to have a backbone, along with Penny(when it comes to ending her friendship with Dijonay).
I think it would be cool to see them in college. Granted, they should be in their 30s, but it would be fun to relive the college years with this show.
Zoe’s glow up reminds me of princess Mia from the Princess diaries. They removed her glasses and straighten her hair plus gave her a more polished wardrobe, then boom instant popularity and attraction. Except her friend was a hater.
Something similar happened to me when I got contacts going into high school. I guess people could see my eyes and my entire face because glasses are so much of a mask apparently. 😂😂 I was still picked on for being tall, but no one said I was ugly or anything. And in college, guys were always trying to be in my face. Now, I’m back to wearing glasses because I want to. And I’m redefining what supposed to be pretty. Glasses are pretty because I’m the one that gets to decide what’s pretty.
I don't see why glow ups always remove glasses most studies into attractiveness have shown glasses to have either no noticablke effect on percieved attractiveness or a positive one
Yeah, in the show Haikyuu, there's a beautiful girl character who wears glasses and she looks like a normal, average teen girl. They need more pretty girl characters with glasses who aren't nerdy
TBH. I always thought if they were to give her a “Glow-Up” I felt like they would have to meet Zoey somewhere in the middle.
Also I always thought her design in L&P was pretty good like much of the cast. Enhanced what made Zoey Howzer have a good design without changing much.
As for her “Glow-Up” it’s more of an “Early Call-Up” to me (Pro Wrestling Term By-the-By).
Yeah, I always thought Zoey’s First & Third Concept Designs were the perfect evolutions to her character. One thing I would add is to place the glasses to her Top and put Shades Above Her Eyes in the first (The same could be done for the Third as well).
I feel like if a character were to go through a redesign you need to keep the core elements that make that character said character…getting rid of the adorkableness makes her another basic pretty face…this is what I’m worried about if Agatha eventually returns.
That is my philosophy if you were to make a Pretty & Geeky Character find something that keeps both elements to create a fine balance. (Alya from Miraculous in her Beta and Final Designs show this.)
But yeah, pretty good observation on this…but long arse message ain’t it? Sorry bout that.
I really wish they found a middle ground. Her old style but keep the glasses, with growing into an attractive individual. Figured out makeup.
She looks so pretty
I hope really they corrected stuff with Zoey, and maybe seeing some of her home life.
I really loved her, but much in the reboot even with some of the bad stuff that has happend to her like the thing with noah.
taking about about her "lack of ability" dacing in the reboot, for me she wasn`t bad, and actually that episode shere she`s bandmaster is literally the higest point of Zoey in the reboot so far.
I found her singing voice really jarring and ill-fitting. It's not that it sounds bad, it's just not her.
Yeah it threw me off too
Also i gotta be honest-the first concept art w the glasses look much better then what we got, they could still have the final design just give her nicer looking glasses
Nah they need to keep her glasses on
My beautiful nerd girl 🎉... and her voice actor too, (Soleil Moon Frye)
I think the glowup was cute, but they definitely should have kept her glasses
Collage aged proud family would have been SO good-the only show i ever seen actually allow their characters to grow up was winx, in season 4 the main girls graduated from their school & moved on to be adults & begin their adult life that was legitmently rlly cool to see even as a kid, it would be interesting if the proud family did something similar
sweet tony's back at it again
it would’ve been cool if they gave Myron a glow up to where all the girls would have a crush on him only for them to find out he’s still geeky just a cute geek now 😂😂
Maybe in Season 3 ‼👀
@@TonyTurner I hope ! 👀🙌🏾
When I have her baby brother has a crush on Zoe that could be so funny and cute
I have red hair and glasses. I guess i always felt ugly because glasses and being either overweight or too skinny is a trope in modern tv for unattractiveness.
I really wish they could have just slightly changed her. Like kept glasses and maybe she started working out or running or something to make herself feel better.
Focus on self vs outside
You know Zoe always sang they had a singing group so her singing isn’t really off brand for her I wish they would have maybe did a mix of both designs
That's true but she always sang background so her voice was never highlighted as being an outstanding one.
Writers should stop writing themselves into these shows.
I would love a college proud family version of the cast.. that would be interesting hey tony on at what if series on music artist that are no longer here?
Great idea‼
Yes to the college version ❤i would be down
I would be good with a college series
They were more chill or i guess subdued
They really hate zoey.
I think her lips are the thing throwing me off the most after the fact her head looks like a different shape without the glasses, but like college Zoe doesn't look like Zoe? She looks more like... like she was drawn in the style of a Disney Princess but by someone who is a good artist but doesn't have experience drawing in Disney's signature 2D style. I think they should have met somewhere in the middle- longer hair, cute outfit, and different glasses. The first one gives like, aged up Timmy Turner where they just put young Zoe's head onto older Zoey's body.
I understand I would wish they had a series of them in college that would’ve been easier
it’s pretty common that after puberty and middle high school people “glow up” because you’re awkward kids turning into adults so having her look prettier i don’t think is a bad thing. what is a bad thing is how they pretty much assassinated her character. hot girls can’t like nerd shit? they can’t wear glasses? they have to be in crop tops and short shorts? you can still make her hot without turning her into a new character. keep her sense of style from the first pass of designs but give her the softer face. keep her hair short but curl it and tie it part of it back so it looks more mature and show she’s more confident in herself. deepen her voice to show maturity but still keep the hoarse tone
zoey being the nerdy girl isn’t a bad thing because there are a ton of nerd girls in the world, but she can still be a nerd and have a glow up
also let her dance!!
Even her face shape looks different…
I disagree with the "they completely changed her" narrative. She was always super skinny, she always had the long legs. All they did was take her braces off, which is realistic, gave her contact lenses, and grew out her hair. Everything else is just confidence. Her braces came off, her body began to mature, and she started feeling more confident. So she started dressing in a way that reflected her newfound confidence, which isn't all that suggestive, honestly. It's just shorts and a small amount of belly showing. She's not nearly as scandalous as you're making it sound. Yeah, they could have kept the glasses, but they didn't really do anything too outrageous with her. It's a super realistic change.
Well, like I said before, the show should’ve been a follow up to the proud family movie where Penny and her friends were move into high school because how were they grow but they’re still in middle school that doesn’t make any sense on middle school should be aging like a high school student they look like high schoolers in middle school, which makes no damn All of their friends and family age and they haven’t it just didn’t make any sense. That’s why the show was a failure from the gecko. You know they try to keep them in that middle school thing but you know you got and that’s what really been killing. A lot of Disney shows is that they don’t let the kids grow to keep them in this wonder instead of like understanding like you can still have them have ChiLDREN. I mean, hell why do you think people love boy meets world or Degrassi because even though the target audience for children and they allow characters to grow up and still follow along with their stories, you know what I’m saying and that’s what should happen.
With the heavier topics they want to cover it would have made more sense to age them up to collage. Even Maya, who I dislike because of how "fake woke" she comes off as, would have thrived being that "annoying" collage friend who thinks they know everything about PC culture only to be humbled when their sometimes extreme views don't line up with real life.
Sadly they wanted to keep the rest of the proud family relevant to the story but they could have still had her living under "their roof". In fact most issues we have with the reboot would be non-issues if they were older. Like the one where they lock Penny out of the house! If she was an 18 yo collage student who went out partying while still living with their rules it would still be awful thing to do but she would be an ADULT who made ADULT decisions. Have her siblings be the "pre-teens" that Oscar has to manage while dealing with letting go of penny becoming an adult. (Especially with BeBe being on the spectrum...)
I used to watch the original Proud Family and I loved it. I tried so hard to watch the new version of Proud Family but it just feels really disingenuous like they’re trying way too hard to appeal to the new generation! Just throw the whole series in the trash 🚮
Hey tony
Hey🙋🏾♂️‼
2:42 I really hate the stereotype that glasses make you ugly or completely change your appearance (cough! cough! Clark Kent!) I actually really like how I look with my glasses when I need to use them (stylish lenses DO exist) but they always insist on using the large awkward square frames or something similarly unattractive looking.
Can anyone tell me why Zoe now looks like Sarah Lynn?
It could of showed them in high school as well I mean they’ve been in middle school for how many years now
I like Zoey's original design better, yes her glow up is pretty, but it doesn't have much character other than that. Plus, they barely even made Zoey look like a prettier version of version of herself, she looks like a completely different character.
I was seeing clips of proud family on tiktok n was thinking of watching it, then I saw clips from the episode where the guy likes Zoey and it really turned me off of the show cuz all her 'friends' were bullying her
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Hey please pin this but the original Proud Family zoey did sing remember LPDZ 😂😂
That's true but they always highlighted Penny as the main vocalist while the others did background
They could have done both tbh. One that she does as casual wear but the other for special events like weddings. The girls could be surprised by the glowup and ask why she doesn't do it all the time. She could then explain that she likes her og look and didn't feel the need to change that. But that sometimes she still likes to dress like that for fun.