Why The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles Isn't Stopping Hydro Dragon! Scared Of Skirk Master Theory
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Lumine should be a descender too.
There is no reason for her not to be.
We just don’t know, “why” she isn’t perceived as such anymore.
For all we know, Lumine needs Aether to acquire all Elements too, because she probably feels it’s necessary to destroy the thrones.
Now, we already have 3 forces who want to destroy the current system.
• Archons want to destroy the system
• Abyss order seems to want the same.
• And Albedo’s maker, wants to do the same.
• Also, let’s not forget Khanriah. They probably wanted that outcome too, but their method was to forcefully to succeed.
In conclusion:
I think for the story to truly make sense. Aether must gather all elements.
The Remains of the Third Descender must be destroyed, to awaken the HP.
And then the Archons, and everyone on Tyvat will probably attack her, in order to gain full control over Tyvat.
In a sense.
This is a battle that will decide the fate of the world. And the Archons, Abyss order, and Ryndo are waiting for the pieces of the puzzle to finally connect.
Nevertheless.
We don’t have a clear view, from the Sustainer’s POV. We don’t know “why” she is doing it. All we know is that she probably has something to do with Honkai, considering that she looks like Kiana.
@@Alternative_Albayeah I agree makes no sense and thats probably the point
Something tells me this will all Circle back to going to Khaenri'ah.
@@Alternative_Albapeople think that sibling isn't a descender since they are recorded in irminsul unlike MC. Only people from teyvat are recorded in irminsul.
Maybe sibling is a copy or clone hahaha just hypothesizing.
@@troddenleper8915
Or maybe the Traveler itself is a successful copy of the Descenders, created by Khanriah as a War Weapon.
Honestly, if Lumine isn’t a descender, yet it’s still Aether’s blood related sibling, then it means that the Traveler is being controlled or had his memories altered.
There is no way, both traveler’s aren’t descenders, unless they are a genetic copy of another Descender.
Nahida herself in the last Archon Quest said that Celestia has been notably silent.
This explains why the Tsaritsa only acts now in collecting the Gnosis. They know now that the Heavenly principles are vulnerable now.
Cuz Paimon
They're probably busy fighting the Abyss Order
what if the Tsarita discovered the blindspot of Celestia, as said by Mage N from Hexenzirkel they do have a blindspot.
i kind of get the feeling tnat somewhere in the future versions Celestia would suddenly just come on full force, something’s just making them halt and i kind of felt like it has something to do with Paimon
tsaritsa is legal?
She didn't kill the the mc cause there wouldn't be a game after that lol jokes aside, I think she's letting this happen. I think she's looking for a descender that will take her place and rightfully rule over tevat. A god raising a god.
Ohh plot twist!!!
And this is the reason why our siblings sides with the abyss.
The fact HP is also "Celestia" makes me just think of Celestia and Twilight.
You know this plus the comment about the twin siblings going to abyss side kind of makes the monologue from the BP make sense and how it ties to the game.
That throne in the sky is not reserved for you
My theory is... the Sustainer did what the Dendro Archon did. Remember that Rukkadevata got infected and in order to prevent infecting the Irminsul, she cut the purest branch (Nahida) from her. So that in the future, Nahida can eliminate the forbidden knowledge from Irminsul... and what if the Sustainer also did that? Remember a Melusine said that Paimon is like a balloon with her string extended up in the sky.
Yeah, I heard that melusine too, and it makes me almost sure that Paimon must have direct link to celestia. Because, no way that Paimon is just another life form in Teyvat without any other of it's kind that just happens to fly and wear a crown, not to mention all those celestial symbols on her attire.
I believe Paimon is Sustainer dot zip just like Nahida is Rukkadevata dot zip because she lost too much power during the Archon war or was even defeated. If Paimon isn't directly related, then she is obviously an agent of Celestia. She is just far too sus.
Can y’all stop PO = Heavenly principles not sustainer (asmoday) = heavenly principles
@@Iyala-iyala who said that the sustainer of heavenly principles is Primordial One?
@@jayantverma7016 Also, from the very beginning, I don't trust Paimon at all. Yes, she is our travel guide when we just stepped foot on teyvat and had help us along our journey but her timing of appearance is really suspicious from the beginning. We can't just brush off the Melusine statements and it also gives us some hint about Paimon's vague identity.
I genuinely think the other descenders are the key, i believe the Fatui are trying to resurrect the third descender (since the pyro gnosis is the last one they need)
Not sure how the first two fit into it, but I'm sure there's some reason
Yeah they have to be!
And also, the natlan's archon quest title is "the ode of the resurrection" or something like that . I saw that in the travail trailer.
100% agree and I will die believing in this theory.
@@skull2661Incandescent Ode to Ressurection
" the Fatui are trying to resurrect the third descender" _Oh shit_ I think you're right! That MUST be what they're trying to do. With, as mentioned, the theme of the Natlan Travail chapter being resurrection. I still wonder if the Abyss twin IS the Third Descender, despite being written into Irminsul. Both Irminsul and time itself can be tampered with, so nothing can be certain, except - as I think Zhongli said - what the Traveller sees themself. If we don't personally witness it, it could be untrue, no matter where it comes from. If the Abyss twin was killed by the First and Second Descenders and their elemental power used to make the gnoses, their soul/memories might have gone to the Abyss, since they're not from Teyvat and wouldn't have gone to the ley lines and Irminsul. We've seen that you can take consciousnesses from the Abyss, give them form and bring them into Teyvat (Elynas). Khaenri'ah may have done this with our twin, summoning them to help defend Khaenri'ah. Then if our twin was created or "born" in Khaenri'ah, they would be written into Irminsul, like Albedo is, despite also being a created person.
I wouldn’t expect the heavenly principles to interfere just yet.The traveler is needed by the heavenly principles to collect all the elements of teyvat.Perhaps it’s paimons Job to make sure that happens.On another note I’m sure they are well aware of what’s going on but as nahida said they are silent for now
What a great betrayal theory.
paimon did say at the start that she's bringing the mc to mondstat, the nation of anemo, and said
"...and there's a reason why~"
to this day, she still hasn't said why or maybe I'm just and idiot and forgot/overlooked the part where she did tell the reason
if not then maybe after snez or one of the dain quests?
Why do people forget that the one who defeated and stole dragon power is Primordial One, not 'Second Who Came'. Current Celestia may be 'Second Who Came'. Why blame 'Second Who Came' when it is the Primordial One who did bad things to the dragons? When people make a theory, they always mix Primordial One and 'Second Who Came'.
The second who came is the light dragon the strongest of the 8 dragons
I was always wondering what was abyss during times of primordial one , it was just brought to this world by dragon king to fight primordial one , they lost anyway and then war with second who came started and its not clear who won but what was abyss doing this whole time , it was brought to this world by dragon king , wasnt able to win against primordial one , then was seemingly absent during war with second who came and now it is the biggest thread to both celestia and the teyvat itself , how did abyss turn from seeminly just a power that was used by others to the organization led by sinner that wants to destroy the whole world
I just wrote this in another (longer) comment, but in Gnosticism, the Gnostic Archons are the ones that created the primordial being. It ended up being more powerful and cast it into garden of pleasure (Eden) to distract them from realising how powerful they were.
Primordial One didn't kill them though and they say Phanes was benevolent sustainer is in charge now
Because the dragons said they liked the primordial one
One thing is for sure, the overarching story and mystery is just getting bigger and bigger.
I am now beginning to see why certain areas were released in a certain order.
Yeah I've played many games in my life but this games story goes deep
True, it was all fun and simple stuff in the prologue and 1st act. It all seemed like our sibling was taken and we will take her back and return to our world. And that is still the case, but there seems to be a lot of stuff going on as well. The increasing complexity and sadness in Archon Quests is mind blowing.
yeah especially with the chenyu vale map coming out.. there's now a hole in the middle of the map
Spoilers for the Notes in the final Quest of the Narzissenkreuz Ordo!
An important thing to note: not every being alien to Teyvat qualifies to be a Descender. Only those whose will is enough to rival an entire world are given this title. Which explains why the Abyss twin is not one of them: even if they came to Teyvat from outside like the Traveler, their will is not enough to be a Descender.
If you want more info on that: it's in a note in the Narzissenkreuz Ordo HQ, right after the Doomsday Clock's hand falls. Read it, they have some really interesting info. Also mentions the "Primordial Human" (Narayana in Sumeru)
(I've written a similar comment here before: please disregard it, I've mixed up the sources and credited Neuvillette's Character Stories instead of the Notes💀)
Abyssal sibiling has exactly the same power as descender traveler. Somebody probably just is powerful enough to change traveler fate. Maybe is the same power from ending of travail trailer "...show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her and *something* of fate will be yours to rewave"
@@kabuuj3400 Power is not the same as will. Physical strengh /=/ mental strengh. Our sibling chose different path on how to do things probably
@@villemox762 Yeah but tbh as I think in that way sibiling is even more powerful. He has that "light" element + abyssal element. He has a lot more power (power in every way) than before
@@kabuuj3400 , power and will are different. Like the amount of Jnana energy extracted by the Akasha does not determine intelligence, power is not the same as will. In fact, the more powerful you are, the more bound by fate you become. A vision-holder is significantly more powerful than a regular human, yet Narzissenkreuz chose to void themselves of the ability of getting one. And their goal was precisely to become "willful" enough to defy the world.
I don't mean to say that those who have great power can't have great will, just that the two factors don't necessarily correlate to one another
@@_dragonflies_ I agree but I think genshin story will go in direction when traveler will be able to change fate of something. We still dont know what exactly was reason that cause sibiling to side with the abyss order. Maybe pyro archon will tell us ("when she share this secret with the traveler it is because she has her reason"). Maybe Pierro who partiipate in summoning sibiling in Khaenriah will tell us, maybe Gold. We will see
never thought of the Dvalin and her having a similar illness interesting
I think we'll see the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles again in Natlan;
in Honkai Impact 3rd Kiana (the unknown god looks like her) becomes the Herrscher of Flamescion and uses the sword of her teacher, Himeko Murata. Murata is supposedly the name of a Pyro Archon (not known whether it's the current or former one). Additionally there are cubes like the Sustainer's part of a trap in King Deshret's Mausoleum that deal pyro dmg
Where are those cubes in Mausoleum. I want to see them. Are they just by the teleport waypoint?
@@jayantverma7016 the traps that send waves in your direction (not the ones going 360°)
I'm still trying to figure out why the sustainer had that quick surprised look on her face when she captured the main character
Theres this theory that the sustainer is corrupted by the cataclysm that happened 500 years ago, hence why her power is supposed to be gold looking but not red(as red usually = bad). I remember when aether cleansed a droplet(from dvalin??) hence when the sustainer captured us and took our power, we cleansed her a bit. This theory is pretty wack but its kinda of cool lol
@@d3luxy I also noticed that the sustainer sealed our twin in a small cube with their weapon while we had our weapon taken away and cubeified, not sealed.
Made me think of that meme with Jason Bateman where the hydro archon is like "you rule now Neuvillette" and the sustainer like "THE F#%$ YOU ARE" 😂
I feel like you're asking the wrong question. If the Heavenly Principles care so much about their rules being followed, why didn't they enact vengeance on Egeria in the first place? Why did they bother with this slow-burn prophecy that was entirely dependent on outside factors if they could just forcibly revert Egeria's sin right away? I get that Celestia may be somewhat incapacitated post-Cataclysm, but the original sin took place before that. So what gives?
I refuse to believe that the 4 Shades dont know about the destruction of a Divine Throne when they knew about a damn book that Orobashi read. There are two explanations to why they havent done anything. 1# They have been severely weakened after the Cataclysm and 2# There is something way more dangerous lurking that they are preparing to fight to the point that the destruction of a divine seat is not important to them at the moment. Just imagine if Khaenriah's creations almost destroyed Teyvat what would happen if the actual Abyss made its way into the world. This could also explain why Celestia is assumed to be above Khaenriah, maybe they are just waiting for the day the Abyss break through the border and tries to destroy the world and with how far the Abyss Order's plans have gotten i wont doubt if the war will start soon.
with the story picking up the pace, these videos are that much more enjoyable. nice video man!
Didn't Nahida say something like the Principles were asleep ? I remember her specifically saying that destroying the Gnoses would wake them up or something?
Nahida says that the Heavenly Principles has been quiet since the disaster in Khaen'riah 500 years ago. She used that point to get the doctor to back off and not take the electro gnosis. (At least without a fair exchange.)
She wasn't sure though that destroying the gnosis will awaken the heavenly principles. That was her bluff. She just made an assumption that an action that grave would do so since that would be breaking Teyvats "laws." And the Doctor didn't risk it.
"I assumed that the Heavenly Principles wouldn't just stand by and let such extensive damage to its 'laws' take place."
why do i think that she's in coma, like how venti did before he woke up
yeah but the thing is , why are they asleep ? Fatui are collecting the gnoses to overthrow them , abyss is working towards loom of fate to destroy them , traveler is constantly gaining powers and knowledge getting closer and closer towards the truth of this world and celestia is just supposed to not look outside of their windows to see that everything thats under their control is going to shit and is turning against them ? unless they drop a nail at some point then its obvious that something is happening in celestia
@@generaltoszur1036 we don't know yet since there is not enough info. She could very well be asleep, alive, incapacitated, quietly watching along the sidelines, on Vacation Leave or being Paimon. Anything is possible until MHY gives us more lore. I'm guessing they're gonna leave that out til we reach the 11th hour of the story though. To keep players hooked and squeeze more money out of our pockets.
@@generaltoszur1036 It's possible that the Cataclysm affected them. We know that the Heavenly Principles have been dormant for 500 years, which coincides with the Cataclysm, and we also know the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles was involved to some degree in Khaenri'ah, given that we see her cubes in the "We Will Be Reunited" trailer. Whatever happened in Khaenri'ah probably weakened the Heavenly Principles enough that they were forced to go dormant in order to recover.
Its too early to say Celestia wont do anything. Remember that we still have Act VI and the Dain quest before Fontaine ends.
Who is to say Celestia wont act then?
Just think, the fatui only need the Pyro gnosis. They have all the others including the tsaritsa's. (Dunno if I spelled that right 😅)
what if Murata or whoever the Pyro Archon is wouldnt give the gnosis. I kind of get the feeling that she would be a very difficult archon and is even worse than the Raiden Shogun when we faced her and the fact that Capitano is the one assigned on Natlan just really excited for the fights there alone.
@@amateurbarnabycreatesthat would make sense as Natlan is supposed to be the nation of war. A war between two nations sounds nice.
Also remember the name of the chapter is incandescent ode of resurrection. Who are we resurrecting??? The archon??
@@tehCostHDhimeko!? What if we’re resurrecting the og pyro archon and it’s himeko, I really hope himeko doesn’t die in Genshin too
@@tehCostHD Signora, trust lmaoo
I was also wondering this, and the fact she doesn't care that the Gnoses are being collected... I am beginning to wonder if Celestia is asleep or something
Maybe she is fighting the 5th Descender
I feel like the Sustaner is asleep and has been since the Cataclysm.
She is definitely aware Fontaine tells us this. We fidnt change fate we only were able to skirt it by deception. We are now following fate on a grander scale and will have to make a difference when the time is right
Because she’s paimon that’s why
I’d imagine the sustainer has an idea of what’s happening. I don’t think celestia is completely dormant. She might not be active but I don’t think she’s oblivious. She’s incredibly powerful and has authority. She probably has an idea of what’s going on and has a strategy on how to deal with the situation.
So far there is only two issues with this theory and both come from sumeru. 1. Nahida states that the principle is sleeping and breaking the gnosis would awaken her as a threat towards dottore and 2. There is records in the desert of sumeru that states that khanrieah was only at war with the abyss when they breached teyvat from a experiment gone wrong without a record of them killing gods from what I recall. My thoughts are leaning that the country was destroyed due to the fact it became a gateway for the abyss to invade the upper world of teyvat which would make sense since the abyss order wishes to topple the thrones of celestia.
Nahida said her threat to break the gnosis was a bluff. She didn't know what the result would be.
I'm just going to assume Celestia didn't interfere because Neuvillette is still acting as an Archon would and not just killing all the humans he can find like the Ancient Dragon Lords would have done.
He broke Heavenly Principles by creating humans without Heavens consent(he turned oceanid-humans into actual humans). Also the Hydro Throne was destroyed by Egeria so there in no longer position on Hydro Archon, Celestia lost authority over element of Hydro, authority returned to Hydro Dragon
Body and mind keep getting separated from each other. What if the third descender is indeed our sibling, and the memories of them are hanging out in irminsul and appear as the abyss sibling and their corpse became the gnoses? That's the only way i can think for the sibling to both be the descender and part of teyvat
The timeline doesn't add up .
PO created the gnosis way before the traveler arrived in tyvat infact it was in the beginning of tyvat
@The_original_one ah shoot you're absolutely right. Idk why I think the whole archon war thing happened way more recently than it actually did lol
I have a wild idea, that the Sustainer is Vanessa. She is the last known human who ascended to Celestia and then we don’t know anything about her. What if she became a guardian. A “volunteer” human who watches over the world while the true god sleeps and recovers.
She caught the twins to harvest them for new Gnosis. She released Lumine first and Lumine followed her intended path to unlock all the elements and save her brother. And she figured out why the Sustainer wanted her to do it. The Abyss helped her and told her how to fight the Sustainer. She attacked her and that’s when Aether was freed and the Sustainer wounded and thus being silent, but not dead. That’s what Lumine wants to do. She wants to kill her for good and the Abyss uses her to do it, because then the dark force from outside can enter Teyvat.
I think she doesn’t know. The story says “focalors deceived the heavenly principals”
Yeah 500 years up until now though and she very recently destoryed the Hydro Archons seat of the 7 so that cant go unnoticed
Ei mentions in passing that most people who fought in the Cataclysm became corrupted. Well it may have been especially bad in Inazuma but still.... that's a lot.
It's chat in her 2nd story quest I think.
I feel like Sustainer is alone and is busy putting out fires.
Neuvilettes anecdote about visions sound more like he set aside a portion of his power for others to claim in the form of vision but hes not choosing anyone, its up to the people to take it if they can.
He's keeping it pretty much the same way as the archons in that sense because he likes the general idea of gifting some power to those who have a strong anough drive to reach for it. The archons are just dutybound to do it for anyone whose wish can reach that high while he isn't (and also likely there isn't anything in the exchange for Celestia in his case).
Third Option: She is doing something, we just don't see it yet. Fourth, she's preparing to do something.
We don't know how quickly these punishments were dealt.
One time... and entire nation/civilization was able to be built and created before the punishment came...
Or the other time when an entire population of people was created...
These are large timelines from initial transgression and punishment.
Also the whole point of the whole Fontaine arch was that it was a trick and secret. So... yeah.
Yes this is true sometimes they are long and drawn out and yeah 500 year trick but cats gotta be outta the bag now you'd think?
At this point, we have to doubt that Kaenri'ah fought the whole of Teyvat, the cataclysm started there, sure, Kaenri'ah had war tools like the ruin graders/drakes/golems/hunters/guards, sure, but who fought against who? Everyone seemed to have fought the flood of monsters, the archons, the humans, the yakshas, the Schwanenritter with the Kaenri'ahns either being guilty or contaminated to be inflicted with the curse
Let's just say, Rhinedotter plays a big role in this cataclysm since she's from Khan'riah. Khan'riah took the blame and tried to fight it. But the cataclysm gets worse and creeps roots to other nations. Too much of a problem, the sustainer has to do something. Rally up the archons to pluck out the source. Khan'riah had no choice but to fight on every front, and somehow winning it. The sustainer had to step up, boom, Khan'riah got annihilated and punished, but somehow the sustainer got corrupted too? (It depends on the problem of why they are quiet for now). Sister got deep to the truth that the punishment is far cruel, and joined the abyss. The sustainer shocked, released her brother for the second attempt of cleaning the world. And now here we are.
This is my simple take😅
I think the heavenly principal is corrupted or maybe reincarnated into something else and now she doesn't remember anything(like maybe reincarnated into paimon lol)
On the way to Snezhnya I wanna see the Traveller and Pimon on a ship with Immigrant Song playing
What do you think about the idea that MC’s twin was indeed the 3rd descender and had the gnosis extracted from them forcefully, and therefore decided to fight the heavenly principles alongside the abyss? Why they are not dead is a mystery but maybe they lost important things in the process, such as humanity or emotions (they don’t seem to show much emotions despite seeing the MC)?
I think that’s just time and the effects it had on the sibling. Traveler woke up long after their sibling so in a way MCs twin is lot more mature and definitely knows something important which is where the emotionless “we’ll meet again” came from. The twin just knew it wasn’t the right time perhaps because traveler would stop looking for them and wouldn’t see all the shenanigans in the different nations. We are the “witness, recorder of all” so to fulfill that role we need to actually see everything happen
The gnoses would’ve been created at the end of the archon war though. That was 2000 years ago. The twins first arrived in Teyvat only 500 years ago, just before the calamity that destroyed Khaenriah. I suppose the heavenly principles might be able to control time though and bring back the gnoses/abyss twin to that time.
The gnoses were prob created when the archon war ended + skirk said they were "the remains of the 3rd descender." remains are the body/parts of a dead thing. If the gnoses were like parts of our sibling skirk prob wouldn't have used remains while describing them.
Maybe the OG twin died and is reborn into the abyss twin? Which would explain why the irminsul doesn't read them as a descender?
@@fishiefish6179well goddess of time exist
Could that be the third descender?
"Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other."
What if this is an Adam and eve situation? perhaps the twins were once just the traveller and Gold took a piece of the traveller (Like Adams rib) and turned it into another being. Not only would this be a Godless land creating new "Human" life Celestia is punishing them like they did with Egeria. While Egeria used the primordial sea to create life the primordial sea is still from teyvat, the traveller is an outside being and using a part of them to create organic life in Teyvat would be seen as a "contamination" of sorts. When the twin was created, they were probably created in a similar yet different way then albedo so they are a part of teyvat unlike the traveller who did not originate from teyvat.
Maybe the Heavenly Principles weren't trying to stop the traveller, they were just trying to stop the one who now belongs to Teyvat and the Traveller was only kept because they kept fighting. This might also explain why the twin says "We have always had enough time" referring to the fact they were once 1 person. Or perhaps, if we follow the theory that Teyvat is a recreation of Honkai Impact after everything is destroyed, perhaps the Heavenly Principles stopped us because they are trying to keep teyvat hidden and us leaving might make it's presence known. Assuming that people know the imaginary tree theory, then what if the honkai impact world was destroyed and someone came up with a plan to take a branch of the imaginary tree like kusanahli did for nahida and planted it in a new world and would in essence recreate everyone in the new world however this means they had to hijack a pre-existing world, one ruled by the sovereigns. By taking their power and creating a "false sky" it would appear that nothing was there to whatever force destroyed Honkai impact.
Very Similar to Gouba she lost power and became Paimon and growing into her role slowly but she hasn't regained her consciousness yet and once all her power is restored she will be ascend along with the knowledge that Paimon currently carries
That might explain why Paimon's attitude seems to get worse as the updates go on. Like she is becoming more rude towards others I swear
hey thats wat i have been saying too but no one takes me serously.
I'm so glad I found your channel.
She doesn't need to intervene, if the boiling point reaches 100% she'll just bring the Nail (nuke in our world)
Possibility 3, she's actively sabotaging everything using the Tsaritsa as her puppet and all of this is part of her plan.
Loved the whole discussion.. i totally agree that she needs us for something we yet dunno
My Theory is she is going to be going after pacifically us because in every nation Change with out celestial approval we’re always have a big part in it like Sumeru and Fontain so when we get all the elements for the Traveler she might return in act 6 or 7 probably 7 and then she might do what them gods do ya know.
She’s going to be difficult to fight unless we can do so in 3D
Both Aether and Lumine are the 4th Descenders, because they both came at the same time, summoned by Khaenri'ah. That's why the Sustainer attacked them, they were the result of the "arrogation of mankind". Also, according to the opening, they had already been to Khaenri'ah before they went to Celestia and encountered the Sustainer.
Also, Neuvillette doesn't really give visions, those with elemental Authorities merely hand them out. When a powerful wish from a human reaches Celestia, the keeper of the respective elemental Authority is obliged to give them a vision. If Furina hadn't participated in that play and didn't pour her heart out with that song she wouldn't have gotten a vision. So technically Neuvillette is still working for Celestia, because Celestia reaps the power of ascended vision wielders.
Interesting. Where does it say this in game? I want to look it up/look into this.
@@Merritt_Maverick About visions, it's in Neuvillette's character story lines, it's called "Vision", unlocked at friendship level 6. You can find it on the wiki.
It also says he has no ties to celestia. Neuv gives visions out using his own system.
Going based on two different videos. The sibling collected all the elements and was killed to create all the gnosis, was then revived. This means the third descender was the other sibling who died and also explains why Focalor gnosis was referred to as the remains of the third descender. It also explains why the sibling is a native to Teyvat and not a descender, as the sibling is technically both. If this holds true, the travelers job is indeed to make sure that the heavenly principles or whoever intended to create the gnosis does not manage to kill the traveler. Perhaps by gather the gnosis again, they can bring their real sibling back. Alternatively, they do not attempt this and destroy the gnosis or third, they submit to execution and reunites with their sibling. All of this may also explain why there is no information on the sibling. It was erased. My memory of what Nahida said is a bit fuzzy tho
I also thought of something similar but there’s one small loop hole.The gnoses have been around for quite a while now I’m sure over 500 years, and isn’t that the time the twins came to teyvat.So how could the gnoses be the remains of our sibling as the third descender if they were created before coming to teyvat???
@@krishanmehta785 that might be because some of the original gnoses were destroyed, or there are more gnoses in existence. Some may be leftovers to be handed down, or they are in use elsewhere. Perhaps some continents host multiple gnoses wielders, but they don't have a status we know of yet. It certainly makes the gnoses of the other sibling seem less important and probably introduces other loopholes too
Im more with the theory that she is letting all this happen cause she knows it will eventually lead to what she wants. But there is three things i wanna add:
1. The heavenly principles as we call her, we don't know exactly if she meant herself or someonelese when we fought her. What I'm trying to say is, she isn't the only one in celestia. Celestia is said to have more gods. Phanes had 4 shades, and i like to believe on the popular theory is that she is the god of space, like how Istaroth is the god of time and a shade of phanes.
2. We learned from Neuvillette that the first and the 2nd desender worked together to make the gnosis from the 3rd desender. So they are working together, or once worked together. Cause the sun and the moon says the 1st n 2nd fought.
3. And lastly the most important thing of them all, if what u are saying is true that celestia is letting resonate with the statues to make new gnosis with us...and guess who is leading us towards every nation n taught us how to resonate and manipulate the elements? Paimon. In Ars goetia, Paimon, one of the strongest demon kings of hell was in fact the most loyal to Lucifer. And if we consider Phanes or 2nd desender or whoever is running celestia right now, Paimon is the most loyal to them. ASIMON we met in the desert was someone who lead us to king deshret's throne, and paimon's duty is to lead us to celestia, and use us to make the gnosis.
bet they gonna rezz the 3rd descender in Natlan gg raising the stakes double every chapter
i think celestia didnt intervene bf neuvillette obtained his dragon hood bc they think that as long as the gnosis is safe, the archon and their elemental authority are safe too
I don't think she's the one making decisions here, there's definitely someone above her
I love how you made reference to ocarina of time, my favorite zelda game with zelda being my favorite gqme franchise.
Also this theory is really good. I think the unknown god is unable to do anything and she wants the travelers and abyss twin help at the end or the story.
For celestia, they probably just bored and want to play some game with their minion, hence they just let thing happen without their intervention. Even if tsaritsa gather all the gnosis power which is the 3rd descendent remains, plus with abyss order and all fatui harbinger, they are no match to primordial one and second who came. But if they manage to get all the archon and the seven sovereign dragon-lords to work together which is most unlikely to happen, maybe they have a chance. I wonder what hexenzirkel society would side with.
Or the celestia is probably vulnerable right now and unable to do anything. No one knows.
She's most likely just chilling, waiting for something to directly threaten Celestia, just like with khaenri'ah, Celestia waited until khaenri'ah was making it's move, not when khaenri'ah was building itself up as a nation. Also the archons themselves don't give visions, Venti said it's gifts from the heavens, Zhongli said it's beyond his power as he could only make a fake, and Ei said she doesn't know why no more electro visions where being given out as she isn't involved with the creation or distribution of said visions. Neuvillette most likely could give Furina a vision due to the power of the gnosis and dragon being 1 again, instead of split in 2 divided between them, Celestia most likely doesn't have this power issues.
I'm still curious about "Truth amongst the pages of purana ” because I'm sure it will have a lot of information
She is sleeping, please don't disturb!
What if The Tsaritsa is trying to revive the Cryo Dragon with the Gnosis'? (Assuming the Cryo Dragon is dead) maybe she'll create a new world by freezing all of Teyvat over... 🤔
This more likely applies to the Third Descender's revival. Gnoses are their remains, so that's a more logical conclusion. Tsaritsa plans to do so to go against Celestia and Heavenly Principles.
If that happens imagine if cryo dragon kills tsaritsa cuz it can, dont think all dragons are like neuvi
speaking of corruption, another thing which could add to this is her power is glowy squares, we see this a lot like in the ruins of Khaj Nisut, other places. But we see it mainly: In the chasm around the celestial nail which has cubes in its power and glows Blue.
In mondstandt one of the first things the traveller does is make that corrupted drop of blood that exact shade of blue again. Same with all the teleport waypoints and statues of seven, they're all red and then the traveller is able to purify them. I wonder if the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles we see using the red powers was already corrupted at this time
3.possibility - Sustainer monitoring just level of elemental energy in Teyvat. She dont do anything because energy level stays the same (Nuvi absorbed all hydro arcon energy).
But if somebody would broke gnosis or if arcon energy spreaded around after death, then maybe energy level would grow up and this could be reason to pay atention.
Who knows.
However i think Sustainer should notice if not changes of energy level then all what happened with hydro arcon seat, no?
Maybe Fontain is next nation of sinners because of creation of real humans in spite of Celestia will + hydro dragon + destroing of hydro arcon seat… idk it all looks for me quite a big sin ang crime.
The fact that Neuvillette regained his full dragon power and celestia is still silent is the final indicator that something is happening is celestia and they are either gone or busy doing something else that they cant even control teyvat and its not just about neuvillette but also tsarista collecting all the gnoses without any problem or even us literally awakening after imprisonment and helping 5 out of 7 nations so far and not to mention less important stuff like us reading ( or at least obtaining , it depends on player) before sun and moon , abyss order seemingly trying their best to destroy celestia this whole time without any intervention
My theory is that they were affected in some way by the Cataclysm. We know from Nahida that they've been silent for 500 years, which coincides with the Cataclysm, and that the Sustainer was involved to some degree, given that we see her cubes in the "We Will Be Reunited" trailer. Whatever happened during the Cataclysm probably weakened them enough so that they had to go dormant, because I agree that Neuvillette regaining his full authority would have been more than reason enough for Celestia to act.
What ever happens, the only think I know without a doubt is the tears that will stream from my face if anything happens to adorable Pimon will be heavy and long lasting. I’ll be able to remake the primordial sea in my house
If the gnosis' are the remains of the 3rd descender, and mc is the 4th, what if Celestia is deliberately letting us complete our little journey so that we can regain all elements and be turned into a new set of gnosis?
After all, how do you play a chess game with only one set of chess pieces?
Remember a trailer by genshin which revealed the names of all nations and chapters in order?
Natlans chapter is named as The Ode Of Resurrection which i think means is that the fatui are collecting all the gnosises to revive the 3rd descender.
Remember, The fatui has 6 gnosises and they only need the pyro gnosis.
Imagine, Heavenly principle rn fighting with another heavenly principle from another dimension
Okay, I may be stupid but I just realized something in the open cutscene and wanted to share it in case no one else noticed it. The sustainer of heavenly principles had a look of shock when she tried to capture the other twin, because that twin for some reason wasn’t able to be captured. I’m not sure if this is supposed to mean something or not, but I just noticed it so 😂 4:44
Maybe it’s a Doctor Who Perception Filter kinda deal where some kind of barrier is placed over Teyvat that tricks Celestia into thinking that everything happening on the surface is fine?
I think this will be addressed in 4.6 AQ from furina 2nd SQ. Celestia is above Fontaine and this might be the best time to shed them some light to hype the playerbase. Perhaps the map expansion we get there is a freshly nailed location unlike dragonspine and chasm that's been nailed for quite some time now.
Also all stories about Celestia suggests that they are not omni potent/present/scient. They don't really know everything that's happening on the ground.
The Ruler(i.e. The Sovereign) is having a SQ act II, not the actress.
@@vladimirvladislavovichtira804 it is rumored that furina will get the story quest. She's not the actress. She's Focalors oceanid half turned into human.
@@DehyaRhea So that is Joint Character SQ with Neuvillette? Because, she's not a ruler, not without him.
@@vladimirvladislavovichtira804 no. Just hers. Maybe Neuvillette will have a cameo. Most x.6 sotry quests aren't about ruling. Liyue thinks zhongli is dead. He's no longer a ruler. Ei's SQ is about her past. Her 2nd story quest might explore her past. The new map might have a nail already and then her 2nd story quest will investigate more about that.
@@DehyaRhea It is during Neuvillette's rule. Furina has just trained how to fight for her protection not being a damsel in distress.
There is a posibility, that the remnants of khanrea undid the seal on the abyss twin and by the time the sustainer got word of it, she herself let the traveler go.
There is a huge chance Heavenly Principle almost lost her power/her power declined or corrupted and almost at the end of her life(nothing is eternal) thus helding the traveller hostage to Groom them and harvest them for power or ascend them to Godhood.
Like how she created Gnosis from the 3rd descender, she want the traveller power to complete all elements before either harvesting/relinquish her throne.
I do believe Paimon is either her familiar or her other persona, to keep a watchful eyes on the traveller growth.
i think she is in some sort of sleep mode after her battle with the abyss
Also the vision furina got was given to her by neuvillette but celestia makes the decision first then passes it on the the regions elemental archon/dragon
She’s(Asmoday) dying the keeper is fading remember
She was already corrupted when she fought the siblings, just look at those cryptings on her left arm in the opening cutscene
the sustainer just floats and eats at the expense of the traveller
My thought too is that mage n mentioned doing things “beyond the gave of the gods” and these visionaries - these very powerful people operating in the far reaches might be hard for the principles to wrangle and therefore are letting the traveler run around in the hopes of drawing them out and rounding them up?? Idk might be a stretch
nothing happened to the gnosys... celestia can't care less about what happens down, unless something REALLY big happens.
so basically the archon death and neuvillette getting back his power, they don't eve know it happened probably. cause the gnosys is still in one piece.
Imagine we get to Scheznaya and touch a Statue of the Seven there only to immediately get yeeted out of Teyvat and into another confrontation with the Sustainer
In my head the heavenly principles were just like "Hmph Touche" as to why they didn't attack back
During the Chasm side story quest, remember a certain girl named Zhiqing said "The golden city... The black watchtower...! *cough* The heavenly envoys have left...!"
This is most likely a big hint that the Celestial gods may have left Teyvat long ago already which would explain why they have done nothing for the past 500 years.
It makes sense, especially considering that the island in the sky appears to be destroyed.
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I more view the archons as playing a similar role as Wriothesley. They are elemental beings native to Teyvat, whose creation came from the dragons. After the Primodial one came, and the war with the second who came, they were forced to battle each other to decide who gets to be Celestia’s prison wardens. None of the archons seem to want to be aligned with Celestia, and they all seem to be ok defying celestia by giving their gnosis to the cryo archon for different reasons. Even Venti didn’t put up much of a fight to keep his gnosis. There’s no way that the archons don’t know the gnosis they are giving away are going to be used to bring about the destruction of the heavenly principles. I think the only way celestia intervenes is during cases where gnosis are destroyed or forbidden knowledge is out of control. They obviously don’t care about whether an archon dies or dealing with archon succession. Maybe they are aren’t aware that Neuvilette is a dragon sovereign who got his authority back, since the gnosis is still in tact. From Celestia’s point of view, Fontaine flooded and all Egeria’s blasphemous oceanid humans were drowned, fulfilling their punishment, while not knowing Focolars deceived them.
I have another idea...
The way she is acting doesn't look like she is the one to call the shots, but perhaps AI left by Celestia to uphold their law.
That is why she didn't kill any traveler, but trapped one, and put the other to sleep... Cause two of them is too much and would disrupt the balance.
Also the way Focaloris did this is done in a very smart way to don't break the law until final moment, and then it was too late, cause sustainer can't punish her, cause she is dead...
And as for Neuvillete he is dragon, not human, and sustainer doesn't have jurisdiction over sovereign dragons...
The dragon in Inasuma is eliminated by archon not by sustainer, and when Divalin fought against the other dragon sustainer didn't intervene...
However in the past dragons have been harvested to create element cubes, but that was done by one powerful being, not by susteiner who is AI who is put there to oversee and sustain the laws...
Perhaps that being is on other planets busy with robbing and stealing power from them, while AI make sure that people of Tyvat will not take over...
I think that in the future we will join forces with Fatui and fight the warden (Sustainer of havenly principles) and break out of prison...
We don't even know if the Heavenly Principles will show up in the next few quests. We're not even at 4.3 yet.
because people believe furina is the hydro archon, what focalors do is trick everyone, people believing furina as the god of justice and what focalors do is harvest their believe to store it for the grand finale.
I think something is going on with Celestia also Celestia is the one who wanted the death sentence so they’re probably semi fine with it since Furina is fully Human now and the hydro archon has been put to death also I believe even though Neuvillette had his full power back I feel like he’s still weaker than the original hydro dragon due to the reincarnation into human form also I definitely agree the sustainer can’t interfere either due to injury and corruption or her being Ishtar and she can’t intervene due to some time thing
There is still so many entity stacks and their role that remains unknown untill now, these sovereign dragon, the rest of archon we not meet yet, the harbinger, the hexenzirkel, and even the descender. I don't think the descender just traveling around.There might be something, either planned or accidentally.I feels entity in teyvat so much powerful. There might be another key that will leads us to what are we gonna do with "people" in teyvat and heavenly principal
Maybe the heavily principales encounter the true abyss of the sea of Quanta (Sa) and loose to her (Sa powers exceeds everything of the power scales even Skirk's master, the heavenly principales or an adult Narwhal, since the one we fight is a baby/kid).
Only one being decender i think because the one sibling we chose has the will to rival the entire fate are u getting me ...
Maybe
These people aren't strong enough to even be looked at by the heavenly principle and the abyss is completely under her nose and doesn't know what that is or how to get into it
This is a pretty good video, I have always wondered why the Sustainer hasnt done anything
also sidenote just because I am curious, whats the Background music from 0:01 - 0:49 called, because it sounds like a banger / the background music in general, whats it called?
She just throws lumine into the past
Pretty impressive theory but there are some questions I'd like to raise.
Option 1: If SoHP is really currently on the recovery stage and many are aware about it, then it is the high time to attack and destroy the authority, no? Good ol battle tactic, attack when your enemy is weak. I'm sure Fatui and Abyss both can easily beat her considering Abyss is full of very powerful witches, who play with deadly creatures and then can even alter fate.
Option 2: If she's using us as bait then she must be aware of upcoming challenges, again these highly powerful creatures can destroy anything and what if we at the end join forces with them, this is gonna be a losing battle anyway. What makes her think we can help her to relinquish all these threats?
Lastly, there is another thing that bothers me the most, if both Fatui and Abyss have the same end goal then why are they not cooperating with each other? Most of the time we see when Abyss is intervening, Fatuis are nowhere to be seen and vice-versa.
@@harryshade5700 it's completely weird to take that statement for granted, when both have the same endgoal.
@@jinx3709maybe one plans to overthrow, while the other wants to exterminate? 🧐🧐
I sense, the fatui one need gnosis n with our help to create powerfull light element/god power (remind of scara god dottore experiment), and the abbys, they have their own ways with another sibling in their darkness. Fatui plan seem unstoppable while abyss they have obstacle like dainslef.
Nahida already said it before when Gnosis was destroy, the heavenly principle will be awaken.
Heavenly Principle will be awaken if Third Descender will reanimated again (Cryo Archon collect those things for resurrection of third descender)
Maybe they didn’t interfere because the deception worked, so celestial thinks Fontaine is “dead”
I think when we reach Celestia she will be the final boss and then the Traveler will get there light powers abilities back
Did we ever see the Hydro Gnosis? I just realised we’ve seen all the other region’s Gnosis, but not the Hydro one, interesting.
I have a strong feeling that fatui is a good team but they are fighting like they are bad guys actually I think they are rebellions soon they gonna help traveller at the end my strong feeling about this
Put the playback speed to 1.75x (still veeeery clear to understand) thank me later 👀
Oh-carina of time, I will now say it that way from now on.
Dudes in celestia be like.
"Operation Great Flood is a success sir. Fontaine is wiped out and the water archon is crying on her throne"
"Yeah.. about that, the Fontainians still there even after drowned"
"Are you kidding me?"
"Sir. The Water Archon just killed himself"
"Easy, we can pick a new one"
"But sir, the throne for water archon is fked up. We can't pick a new one"
"Ahh shet now there ain't sevens anymore with us, how tf that is possible"
"Turns out the actual water archon doing a 500 years of psy-op on us. She uses her human counterpart and tell that human version to pretend as a water archon. The indemnitium gathered in OMAC for 5 centuries turns out to be used to kill the actual water archon as well as the throne to mess with the prophecy"
"Dammit, where's the gnosis now?"
"Naufal used it to became a full fledged dragon mode and he turned fontanians into actual human that won't dissolve in primo-radioactive seawater. And... he gives the leftover to Fatui"
"FVVVVVVVVVVCK. Idc the fvcking risk, we have to buff our defense against the soviet fatuis. Do you understand?"
"Yes sir"
At this point I'm sure I'd also get a gnosis, heck we'd all get a gnosis. The archons won't even want anything in return😂. I'm sure it will be offered to me before I even ask.