Let out the overcheck 6" and you would've avoided most of the unnecessary stress put on this sensitive filly. You can't throw multiple things to a horse in the same day and expect any different than what she did. She felt trapped, horses are claustrophobic by nature....
I have backed and trained many babies with many personalities and have never had any act like this the first time under saddle or in a cart. 'She' was put in a situation she was not mentally or physically ready for.
All of the junk on her head and in her mouth and having the bitting rig to tight and taking away her freedom of movement of her head and putting her in a situation where she could slip on the pavement and fall spells a disaster waiting to happen. Nothing like demanding a baby to perform as an adult horse. She was definitely being rushed.
broke many young racehorses to drive, have ya? she's just full of herself and after all, it's her first time hitched (after long lining work). She's just figuring it all out.
***** Really? Cause all the horses i've trained to harness never had to "figure it out" because I properly prepared them. This mare was completely unprepared and confused. The dumb ass owners are lucky she didnt slip on the concrete and break a leg!
50+years with American Saddlebreds. We never started a horse like this. Never in the open, always in a round pen or working aisle. Started by lunging, then lunging with all driving tack, then training shafts. Adding only a piece of equipment at a time. Every horse is different.
I'm fully aware that dragging a cart is less damaging on a horse's joints than being ridden. But this horse is a YEARLING! she's a baby and her joints shall suffer due to this early work
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment. I too, have started horses and the goal is to to initiate them without 'compliant'. I hate to ponder the future of this baby- Amish Torture or the Slaughterhouse?
I've never seen a horse broke to drive this way, if she had been long lining in an overcheck she would be used to it. Also, on asphalt, are you crazy, it's a wonder she didn't hurt all of them.
It is more the long term effects it will have on the horses developing body. It is like asking a child to become a weightlifter, you may make them seem strong enough at the time but the repercussions can be devastating.
The head check was perfectly fine and not too high. The horse was used to that being done and having the cart hooked up as well. From what I saw, what the horse DIDN'T like, was that stupid lead rope connected, either the chain over the nose, or hooked at the halter. That is what irritated her. I do agree, they should not have done this on asphalt.
whenever we did this when I was working with young race horses we'd be TWO people holding lead lines, one on each side just to be extra safe. AND we'd wear helmets. ;)
I am thoroughly aware of what a yearling is. Idc if she turns two in a week-she is still too young to be pulling a cart. If she was a late two yo, then working her lightly in harness would be fine. Teaching her to drive as a yearling is too stressful on her joints. and the lack of protective boots is still worrisome.
It’s amazing how a horse will have issues and people will completely ignore it, never looking at their equipment or adjusting anything and allowing this horse to keep telling them without anybody listening..
okay people, just have to say it isn't only trotters that put yearlings in the harness. there are horses of all breeds that are put in a light harness as a yearling because it teaches them about the bridle and how the reins work and gets them used to some confinement without the potential damage to growing joints. Done is short sessions, this is very benefical for the horse because it makes the transitions to riding is a few years alot easier,
And if you look carefully, the grassed off area that they later work on is quite close to exit of the facility. And the gate is open, leading to a busy road! If the filly had truly flipped out...
We break yearlings every year and they where the check in a pen for 3-4 days then they go behind our towing rig for a few, then with the cart behind for a few then off the towing rig with no problems!
Thankyou, but i still think its to young, we are training our horses for the big world when they are 2 yours old, they first grow up, with other foals, when they are three we start riding, so this is why i think its to early..
You did not do enough work with the overcheck before moving her onto the cart. A little looser couple of notches and she would have been more comfortable and less resistant with the upward pull of the overcheck.
My bad, your exact words were " It is clearly bad handling that is the main reason this horse is reacting like this" so I think my paraphrasing was fair, even though I misused the quotes.
I do agree, one maby is a little young, but they don't race at one, they are just broken and lightly trained, at two tho, they are equivalent to human 14-16 year olds, who would already be playing sports, kinda of a cheesey comparison, but it makes sense. And at one, these horses are literally bred, to do one thing, race, it runs in there mind in body, and going fast is one of the only things they know how to do. At birth there ready to race, Foals on breeding farms usually play race.
I don't see attitude, I see fear and even more so, confusion. Two people telling her to do things at once. I gasped and thought she was going to fall when she slipped. I'm not a computer(armchair) trainer and I know nothing of harness racing but her body language is screaming something is wrong. Attitude means spunk, fiestiness and orneriness,this youngster is displaying none of that.
All over the UK I see horses left in their stall for 23 hours a day without contact (animal or human) it's the most common form of cruelty. How would those horses like the stimulation and exercise this filly has got. Yes ok she's a yearling but she has not been put under any strain she couldn't cope with.
i don't know but if i read some of the comments ... but some of the people don't know anything about TROTTERS most of the people who train them start young but when the horse do not work like they will some of them stop for like a year and start over ... so go read before you be rude to those people
while that is great for a pleasure horse, this is trotting horse (a racer). Their mind set needs to be different, pressure to perform is going to be part of her life. Also who is to say this yearling didn't get the correct intoduction to the bridle and such, she has probably been ground driven many times before this considering how patient her trainers were and she did very well with this.
For one, they are stabled at a race track some trainers do not have a farm with grassy fields or dirt to break them on. That maybe the only place they can break her. Two, they have rules when stabled at a track. Three, Standards have a less break downs then Thoroughbreds and they get broke to the saddle very young too. I know some very good trainers and I know very bad. They did good with that filly. They should have had a second person on the other side of her to break her properly.
Right fair play to the trainer hope u win a few races in time. To train a standerdbred horse u start at 1 as if u don't they are so big/strong u end up broken urself. They start by mouthing the horse ( putting bit in mouth) then training harness with false reins at a permanent position. This gets the horse used of it. Then a few weeks of long reining( walking behind the horse no cart) and finally a few days with the cart. The winkers on the bridle make the horse concentrate and stop it from spo
OK, maybe it was a good first experience with this baby, but that is also not what I am talking about. I am talking about stressing the body before it is mature enough to properly handle this kind of stress.
The horse has been mouthed properly and treated well for fuck sake there not locked up 24/7 they get pasture time and more than likely light alloy shoes nor heavy iron
@bfornaro Good for you. Like I said, not all horses take to training without complaint, especially when they are as young as yearlings - and many of these yearlings from large breeding farms aren't handled more than it takes to do their feet and vet work, at least until it's time to sell or break them to race. These are generally not super-socialized babies to begin with. Yeah, you're going to get complaints.
A yearlings bones aren't fully developed yet, is the point that's trying to be made. Also a 12 year old child is fully aware of what is going on, a yearling is not.
@xUppetup This is a standardbred racehorse.. They race at two years old. To be in shape and trained to race at two, they need to be started as yearlings.
Sometimes it is better the horse goes forward than stand and do some stupid stuff. When we did that we had a second older horse on the side and we lead it more close. In the end she looks happy that it is over and if she has a lot new stuff to think of.
I am talking about what is being done to this baby during the hour that she is away from her friends. What is being done now will affect her entire life and not in a good way.
A racehorse is bred, fed and trained (The bigger the load of the training the bigger the harm) to be ready to race at the age of two-three. It is not animalabuse to start a racehorse at the age of two if it is ready for the race. A horse not ready to race will not think it is fun, and you end up with a racehorse that's not as good as it could have been. The first races for a racehorse is therefore very important.
The development going on in a horse when they are a yearling like this one can be compared to what's going on with a teenager, which is much earlier with this breed than non-racing breeds. I agree on putting shoes on a horse at that age is not good for the horse, but it will not make the horse lame. Just because the horse is learning things, doesn't mean that the horse is doing this ALL DAY. Maybe an hour a day, and playing with it's friends the rest of the day. That is not harmful in any way.
You think that taking a yearling from it's friends an hour a day, even if it is for cuddling or just taking care of the horse, is harmful to the horse?
I worked at a barn that rescued OTTBs fresh off the track for several years and have worked with jockeys and exercise riders.I know how the racing world works quite well. and trotting a 3 yo over a 2 ft cross rail is less damaging on their joints and tendons than galloping full out.And if the horse gets a pole between its legs or is jumped too hard then "serious damage to their legs" can result, regardless of age. Need I list the plethora of injuries young race horses commonly endure?
Attitude? Neh, more unsure. And the girl leading isn't really paying attention. But this IS a lot better horse handeling then I've seen in a couple of years (don't ask me where I've been :P). The guy in the cart is calm, and except the girl with the line they are all doing very slow movements. My oppinion: Use another person for the leading, but a lighter man in the cart for a more gentile start, and go away from traffic...
Look. to be honest i don't like any form of horse racing for a multitude of reasons but these trainers are not doing anything wrong, they are being calm and patient with a horse that is getting used to something new.
A horse's bones are not "fully developed" until 6 years of age, I have yet to meet anyone who waits that long to start training horses. The issue is, is the work enough stress to do damage to the growing skeleton? Its been long accepted that pulling light carts, such as this one is easy enough to be safe for still growing horses. This video was made because this individual showed "attitude" (hence the title) if yearlings in general couldn't cope, this video would be redundant.
Draging a cart like this is so much other than riding, and I would really hope many people here would understand that. I could drag this cart with that man in it without problems. And as long as you have a person in the cart, the cart isn't putting any weight on the horse's back. Ususally, at least here in Norway, young horses like this is among other horses at the same age the rest of the day when they are not training, maybe even also at night.
And sometimes, even when a horse understands what you want, doesn't mean they like it or that they want to co-operate. Some horses are just more difficult to work with than others. They are not all victims of bad training. Often enough it is bad training, or incomplete training, but plenty of horses are just fussier or more dominant and take more time to settle in.
Had she had the overcheck on before? She really doesn't seem to care about the cart, just that she can't get her head down. Glad to see her work out of it though without injuring herself.
I would recommend lounging your horse before you hook it up to the cart. That's why she was prancing. Also loosen her over check about 2-3 holes. The next time. Trust me i would know i drive horses.
Let out the overcheck 6" and you would've avoided most of the unnecessary stress put on this sensitive filly. You can't throw multiple things to a horse in the same day and expect any different than what she did. She felt trapped, horses are claustrophobic by nature....
Amen.
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Amen!
I have backed and trained many babies with many personalities and have never had any act like this the first time under saddle or in a cart. 'She' was put in a situation she was not mentally or physically ready for.
I believe that the horse is exhibiting pain. Not as because of what or how she's been asked to do, but some other problem.
All of the junk on her head and in her mouth and having the bitting rig to tight and taking away her freedom of movement of her head and putting her in a situation where she could slip on the pavement and fall spells a disaster waiting to happen. Nothing like demanding a baby to perform as an adult horse. She was definitely being rushed.
I agree Havanna. The filly was mentally overloaded. And what an obvious ly bad environment to start a colt in.
The check is too tight for this horse
Stupid of the year award !!! That isn't spirit, that's the horse hating all of it !!
broke many young racehorses to drive, have ya? she's just full of herself and after all, it's her first time hitched (after long lining work). She's just figuring it all out.
***** Really? Cause all the horses i've trained to harness never had to "figure it out" because I properly prepared them. This mare was completely unprepared and confused. The dumb ass owners are lucky she didnt slip on the concrete and break a leg!
50+years with American Saddlebreds. We never started a horse like this. Never in the open, always in a round pen or working aisle. Started by lunging, then lunging with all driving tack, then training shafts. Adding only a piece of equipment at a time. Every horse is different.
I was terrified watching it. The woman on the long line was causing such stress and danger. Yikes!
The poor horse is stressed out, he's trying to tell them something.
I'm fully aware that dragging a cart is less damaging on a horse's joints than being ridden. But this horse is a YEARLING! she's a baby and her joints shall suffer due to this early work
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment. I too, have started horses and the goal is to to initiate them without 'compliant'. I hate to ponder the future of this baby- Amish Torture or the Slaughterhouse?
If you as driver have helpers like this, you don't need enemies.
Traurig, traurig... da fehlen einem echt die Worte
I've never seen a horse broke to drive this way, if she had been long lining in an overcheck she would be used to it. Also, on asphalt, are you crazy, it's a wonder she didn't hurt all of them.
It is more the long term effects it will have on the horses developing body. It is like asking a child to become a weightlifter, you may make them seem strong enough at the time but the repercussions can be devastating.
You could see directly that she did'nt like The overchek
Some people just have to do things the hard way. Horses choose thier owners eventually by giving back what they get...
What she doesn't like is the overcheck rein.
The head check was perfectly fine and not too high. The horse was used to that being done and having the cart hooked up as well. From what I saw, what the horse DIDN'T like, was that stupid lead rope connected, either the chain over the nose, or hooked at the halter. That is what irritated her. I do agree, they should not have done this on asphalt.
something is bothering her head. Tongue over the bit? She doesn't seem prepared enough for this step - and I agree, too young.
wowie, that filly does not appreciate that woman.
Blind leading the Blind
whenever we did this when I was working with young race horses we'd be TWO people holding lead lines, one on each side just to be extra safe. AND we'd wear helmets. ;)
I am thoroughly aware of what a yearling is. Idc if she turns two in a week-she is still too young to be pulling a cart. If she was a late two yo, then working her lightly in harness would be fine. Teaching her to drive as a yearling is too stressful on her joints. and the lack of protective boots is still worrisome.
the bearing rein doesnt allow natural range of motion in the neck, for those who dont know
So in agreement. The risk to the horse here is too great.
It’s amazing how a horse will have issues and people will completely ignore it, never looking at their equipment or adjusting anything and allowing this horse to keep telling them without anybody listening..
I agree. side note: ick.....spitting on camera. ick......now there's some class
Trigger stacking at its finest jfc
okay people, just have to say it isn't only trotters that put yearlings in the harness. there are horses of all breeds that are put in a light harness as a yearling because it teaches them about the bridle and how the reins work and gets them used to some confinement without the potential damage to growing joints. Done is short sessions, this is very benefical for the horse because it makes the transitions to riding is a few years alot easier,
And if you look carefully, the grassed off area that they later work on is quite close to exit of the facility. And the gate is open, leading to a busy road!
If the filly had truly flipped out...
We break yearlings every year and they where the check in a pen for 3-4 days then they go behind our towing rig for a few, then with the cart behind for a few then off the towing rig with no problems!
Thank u someone with since finally
My horse gets nuts too if there are two people pulling the reins. LOL
Thankyou, but i still think its to young,
we are training our horses for the big world when they are 2 yours old, they first grow up, with other foals, when they are three we start riding, so this is why i think its to early..
U should wait for a few more years until u can do this! Beautiful horse though!
ok i can just tell by the way the horses tail is shoved between his but that he isnt ready.
le cheval se défend en bouche violemment du début à la fin: heureusement que la pouliche et jeune est de nature calme!
I consider that not ready to start yet. Needs a lot more ground driving.
poor little Baby!
tht horse needs something i like to call boot camp
Sorry if the harness is fitting properly .there's no way I'd drive a horse who rears.🇬🇧🇬🇧
Let the fella sit on the side
Thank u
You did not do enough work with the overcheck before moving her onto the cart. A little looser couple of notches and she would have been more comfortable and less resistant with the upward pull of the overcheck.
ever think WHY he's shaking his head?
A short lead stresses a horse more, they feel trapped and like they can't move. Long is best with a scared or stressed out horse.
Helmets are the persons choice. And u can't have a kicking brace on the horse when walking. Thats why there is a kick bar on the cart
Danke
My bad, your exact words were " It is clearly bad handling that is the main reason this horse is reacting like this" so I think my paraphrasing was fair, even though I misused the quotes.
I probably wouldn't have hooked my horse for the first time on pavement. Just a number of things that could go wrong with that alone.
Yes.
I do agree, one maby is a little young, but they don't race at one, they are just broken and lightly trained, at two tho, they are equivalent to human 14-16 year olds, who would already be playing sports, kinda of a cheesey comparison, but it makes sense. And at one, these horses are literally bred, to do one thing, race, it runs in there mind in body, and going fast is one of the only things they know how to do. At birth there ready to race, Foals on breeding farms usually play race.
I don't see attitude, I see fear and even more so, confusion. Two people telling her to do things at once. I gasped and thought she was going to fall when she slipped. I'm not a computer(armchair) trainer and I know nothing of harness racing but her body language is screaming something is wrong. Attitude means spunk, fiestiness and orneriness,this youngster is displaying none of that.
I'm thinking she wants the "blinders" off. Horses normally see a panoramic view. I wonder if there would have been a difference without them?
Yeah, that´s a few, the rest still ends up on Fido´s dinner plate.
wie alt ist die stute?
nice horse
All over the UK I see horses left in their stall for 23 hours a day without contact (animal or human) it's the most common form of cruelty. How would those horses like the stimulation and exercise this filly has got. Yes ok she's a yearling but she has not been put under any strain she couldn't cope with.
just to clear this up for you. they call this a yearling, but it was born early in the year, and this would be the fall. this yearling is nearly 2.
You're right! She shouldn't be!
i don't know but if i read some of the comments ... but some of the people don't know anything about TROTTERS most of the people who train them start young but when the horse do not work like they will some of them stop for like a year and start over ... so go read before you be rude to those people
while that is great for a pleasure horse, this is trotting horse (a racer). Their mind set needs to be different, pressure to perform is going to be part of her life. Also who is to say this yearling didn't get the correct intoduction to the bridle and such, she has probably been ground driven many times before this considering how patient her trainers were and she did very well with this.
For one, they are stabled at a race track some trainers do not have a farm with grassy fields or dirt to break them on. That maybe the only place they can break her. Two, they have rules when stabled at a track. Three, Standards have a less break downs then Thoroughbreds and they get broke to the saddle very young too. I know some very good trainers and I know very bad. They did good with that filly. They should have had a second person on the other side of her to break her properly.
Right fair play to the trainer hope u win a few races in time. To train a standerdbred horse u start at 1 as if u don't they are so big/strong u end up broken urself. They start by mouthing the horse ( putting bit in mouth) then training harness with false reins at a permanent position. This gets the horse used of it. Then a few weeks of long reining( walking behind the horse no cart) and finally a few days with the cart. The winkers on the bridle make the horse concentrate and stop it from spo
Where are they now?
She has to get use to the cars anyway. The starting gate is attached to the car.
OK, maybe it was a good first experience with this baby, but that is also not what I am talking about. I am talking about stressing the body before it is mature enough to properly handle this kind of stress.
Dude, get the chain off the lead rope. Anyone else noticed that every time the handler pulled, the horse reacted to the handler with the lead rope?
The horse has been mouthed properly and treated well for fuck sake there not locked up 24/7 they get pasture time and more than likely light alloy shoes nor heavy iron
@bfornaro Good for you. Like I said, not all horses take to training without complaint, especially when they are as young as yearlings - and many of these yearlings from large breeding farms aren't handled more than it takes to do their feet and vet work, at least until it's time to sell or break them to race. These are generally not super-socialized babies to begin with. Yeah, you're going to get complaints.
Well deserved, too.
Horse hates overcheck imho.
A yearlings bones aren't fully developed yet, is the point that's trying to be made. Also a 12 year old child is fully aware of what is going on, a yearling is not.
Put someone not quite so HEAVY on his cart & give him his head you so called trainers
@xUppetup This is a standardbred racehorse.. They race at two years old. To be in shape and trained to race at two, they need to be started as yearlings.
Sometimes it is better the horse goes forward than stand and do some stupid stuff. When we did that we had a second older horse on the side and we lead it more close. In the end she looks happy that it is over and if she has a lot new stuff to think of.
At least they arent forcefully beating the horse to walk like some other people i've seen
I am talking about what is being done to this baby during the hour that she is away from her friends. What is being done now will affect her entire life and not in a good way.
well-educated, diligent and healthy (riding) horses.
Something is causing distress. I'm not blaming anyone, but doubt the horse is healthy
A racehorse is bred, fed and trained (The bigger the load of the training the bigger the harm) to be ready to race at the age of two-three. It is not animalabuse to start a racehorse at the age of two if it is ready for the race. A horse not ready to race will not think it is fun, and you end up with a racehorse that's not as good as it could have been. The first races for a racehorse is therefore very important.
The development going on in a horse when they are a yearling like this one can be compared to what's going on with a teenager, which is much earlier with this breed than non-racing breeds. I agree on putting shoes on a horse at that age is not good for the horse, but it will not make the horse lame. Just because the horse is learning things, doesn't mean that the horse is doing this ALL DAY. Maybe an hour a day, and playing with it's friends the rest of the day. That is not harmful in any way.
She's only a baby! Just let her enjoy her childhood for two more years before working with her like this... why the rush?
this is stupid i mean i have no words for this video. that horse is so scared it might just have a heart attack.
Well there is a quick hitch system one pull down on each side to detach it.
You think that taking a yearling from it's friends an hour a day, even if it is for cuddling or just taking care of the horse, is harmful to the horse?
I worked at a barn that rescued OTTBs fresh off the track for several years and have worked with jockeys and exercise riders.I know how the racing world works quite well. and trotting a 3 yo over a 2 ft cross rail is less damaging on their joints and tendons than galloping full out.And if the horse gets a pole between its legs or is jumped too hard then "serious damage to their legs" can result, regardless of age. Need I list the plethora of injuries young race horses commonly endure?
kim is riight these people did a good job breaking this filly but they should have a person on a line on each side of the filly
With all the head tossing you wonder did they pull the wolf teeth before they put a bit in her mouth and a check rein on her?
Attitude? Neh, more unsure. And the girl leading isn't really paying attention. But this IS a lot better horse handeling then I've seen in a couple of years (don't ask me where I've been :P). The guy in the cart is calm, and except the girl with the line they are all doing very slow movements. My oppinion: Use another person for the leading, but a lighter man in the cart for a more gentile start, and go away from traffic...
Look. to be honest i don't like any form of horse racing for a multitude of reasons but these trainers are not doing anything wrong, they are being calm and patient with a horse that is getting used to something new.
It's the most common for standerdbreds
Very cool- nice job Guys!
Só tentando se livrar da dor q essas gamarras causam, só mais um escravo em nossas mãos...
my tip is always lunge th horse before u take thm out , it gets th daftness out of them
A horse's bones are not "fully developed" until 6 years of age, I have yet to meet anyone who waits that long to start training horses. The issue is, is the work enough stress to do damage to the growing skeleton? Its been long accepted that pulling light carts, such as this one is easy enough to be safe for still growing horses. This video was made because this individual showed "attitude" (hence the title) if yearlings in general couldn't cope, this video would be redundant.
The fights but only against ! -.-
How not to train a horse to harness.
Draging a cart like this is so much other than riding, and I would really hope many people here would understand that. I could drag this cart with that man in it without problems. And as long as you have a person in the cart, the cart isn't putting any weight on the horse's back. Ususally, at least here in Norway, young horses like this is among other horses at the same age the rest of the day when they are not training, maybe even also at night.
And sometimes, even when a horse understands what you want, doesn't mean they like it or that they want to co-operate. Some horses are just more difficult to work with than others. They are not all victims of bad training. Often enough it is bad training, or incomplete training, but plenty of horses are just fussier or more dominant and take more time to settle in.
Michaelodonavan: That's Standardbred, not "standard breeds"
Had she had the overcheck on before? She really doesn't seem to care about the cart, just that she can't get her head down. Glad to see her work out of it though without injuring herself.
yes, normally the horse would be left in a feild
I would recommend lounging your horse before you hook it up to the cart. That's why she was prancing. Also loosen her over check about 2-3 holes. The next time. Trust me i would know i drive horses.